SECEDE?SCOTUS Judge Say's "NO"

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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We don't think the letter from Justice Scalia addressed it clearly, as it made

reference to SUING the US, not just splintering from same...

You tell us...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/there-is-no-right-to-secede-see-the-letter-where-justice-scalia-shoots-down-idea-of-leaving-the-union/

[TPSprayduster]

Folks a conservative Supreme Court Judge says No so now you see how far the secede from the union will go if it makes it to the Highest court in the land. Lesson learned don't jump on the bandwagon when you don't fully understand if would work. Hell The Gov of Texas said it would not happen. I guess you all have been told.

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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On the same White House site to secede, there is a new petition signed by 2,000+ people to

strip those signing any State's Petition to secede of their US Citizenship and deporting them abroad.

To where, we ask.... if we are already in a socialist place, where would they ship us TO..?

The bloggers at the end of the article we've referenced here are an interesting lot,

contributing many comments we've yet to discuss here at DV...

Scroll all the way down & take a gander at their posts,

VERY interesting reads....

Edited November 13, 2012 by SgtFuryUSCZ

[TBomb]

TPS...I don't think ANYONE on this forum really thinks that the US would seriously consider letting these states secede. Again, it's a question of stating our abhorrence (TPS, I suspect you'll need a dictionary for this word - perhaps you may also need a toxicologist to perform blood work, as I believe the chemicals you've been "dusting" with have infiltrated your gray matter) towards the current state of our government.

I think Sentinel7 summed up the general attitude of most of us, when he/she said:

This is just my opinion

I believe these petitions are a good thing not for the reason of secession because I don't believe any American really wants to see

The USA become just the SA. But I also believe that we have been backed into a corner not just because of the election.

But because the entire Federal Government is corrupt ,stealing us blind and handing our economy and tax money to other country's

We are starving for jobs yet our tax dollars and jobs are given to other country's who are building our infrastructure.

They break our laws with impunity they refuse to enforce our laws they even act against anyone who wants to enforce our laws.

They engage in fraud against the American people ,the law and the US Constitution.

This could be a peaceful,lawful revolution.

The numbers need to be high real high we need to get more states and we need to get more and more people to sign these petitions

Things are starting to pile up all we have to do is to keep helping the pile get deeper.

Lets give him a Mandate

No Surrender No Retreat and No Compromise

Read more:

Edited November 13, 2012 by TBomb

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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TBOMB -- well said!

And thank you for re-posting SENTINEL's post here.

We loved it! And want everyone to see it!

Big +1 for you!

[TPSprayduster]

LOL i guess i am crazy now well now you will be deported. Keep on believeing what you are reading. I have been here a long time and i see the name callers come and go. Being called crazy is not hurting my feelings but if you want to be deported ask for china. Signing those petitions express your rights and when you find you been a victim ID theft i guess you will think again to sign a petition.

[TBomb]

Folks a conservative Supreme Court Judge says No so now you see how far the secede from the union will go if it makes it to the Highest court in the land. Lesson learned don't jump on the bandwagon when you don't fully understand if would work. Hell The Gov of Texas said it would not happen. I guess you all have been told.

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The above is a link to the Ron Paul video posted by DM.

I'm not afraid of moving to another country, however, I and we need to stand together (here in the US) to affect change in this country...to stand up to the ever-increasing tyranny we're experiencing.

Edited November 13, 2012 by TBomb

[TPSprayduster]

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The above is a link to the Ron Paul video posted by DM.

I'm not afraid of moving to another country, however, I and we need to stand together (here in the US) to affect change in this country...to stand up to the ever-increasing tyranny we're experiencing.

Well get to moving then, don't wait to be deported just leave if you are not happy. If i was not happy i would go to Europe or somewhere else if things were not going my way. But for a second do you think i will sign up on a petition to leave the US. Wrong answer, so many these so called patroits calling for these petitions maybe looking for more than just your support. But hey i am a dummy so when you become a victim please don't come crying saying you got duped.

[TBomb]

LOL i guess i am crazy now well now you will be deported. Keep on believeing what you are reading. I have been here a long time and i see the name callers come and go. Being called crazy is not hurting my feelings but if you want to be deported ask for china. Signing those petitions express your rights and when you find you been a victim ID theft i guess you will think again to sign a petition.

TPS, I'm sorry I criticized your mentality. I truly did not mean to get so personal. Please accept my apologies, I was feeling a bit upset.

Perhaps, and this is just a suggestion, your comments might be better realized and accepted (received) if you approached people with a bit more understanding, tact and compassion, as they feel as passionate about their opinions too (just as you do).

Well get to moving then, don't wait to be deported just leave if you are not happy. If i was not happy i would go to Europe or somewhere else if things were not going my way. But for a second do you think i will sign up on a petition to leave the US. Wrong answer, so many these so called patroits calling for these petitions maybe looking for more than just your support. But hey i am a dummy so when you become a victim please don't come crying saying you got duped.

The tone with which you convey your thoughts, indicates to me, that in general, you're not happy.

Edited November 13, 2012 by TBomb

[TPSprayduster]

TPS, I'm sorry I criticized your mentality. I truly did not mean to get so personal. Please accept my apologies, I was feeling a bit upset.

Perhaps, and this is just a suggestion, your comments might be better realized and accepted (received) if you approached people with a bit more understanding, tact and compassion, as they feel as passionate about their opinions too (just as you do).

The tone with which you convey your thoughts, indicates to me, that in general, you're not happy.

T don't apologize to me, you wrote it your own it. My approach is simple i don't sugar coated and i try my best not to call names. Tact is being up front and not beat around the bushes. Now my grammar might be out of whack but most get my meaning. Alot of people are mad because the President got reelected. As for my passion, if i am not happy i leave i won't come on DV screaming and hollering about the petitions i will sign and how many states have these. Has anyone thought about who will view these list. If you did not put your real name on their then you are just wasting your time. If it is fake then those names will not be used. My tone is straight forward and no room for misinterpretations. I am sorry you are not happy about the current situation, but if i was unhappy i would not be still in the US. Turkey is not a bad place to be, nor is Malta they speak English there. So if you are not happy then just leave. After spending time away from the good old usa you will miss it. One more point, you will never have as many rights as you have here. One expat decided to get drunk as a skunk in Dubai UAE, decided to crave his name in to some mahogany wood in a elevator(lift for British English speakers) the cops were called and he told the local cops you can't arrest me i am a US citizen i have rights. The cop said in plain english you may be a US citizen but the is the United Arab Emirates and you do not have rights here. Off to the clink he went, lost his job, had to pay for the repairs which was his whole paycheck sent home and banned from the country of UAE. Lesson learned don't act a fool in a foreign country and expect them to respect your rights. Be happy to have all of the rights you have here. Some countries you can't even own house land. Have a nice evening T Bomb.

[Tripphood]

SgtFury, I actually saw the newly formed petition to have those of us who signed any such petition to secede be stripped of our citizenship. Wow! The reason I signed the petition for Florida is because I feel so unhappy with what is happening in Washington and every other avenue that we have to express such an idea falls on deaf ears. I thought this might garner some recognition. I'm at a loss.

[HisHands]

LOL i guess i am crazy now well now you will be deported. Keep on believeing what you are reading. I have been here a long time and i see the name callers come and go. Being called crazy is not hurting my feelings but if you want to be deported ask for china. Signing those petitions express your rights and when you find you been a victim ID theft i guess you will think again to sign a petition.

The good thing about his is TP is they can steal my identity, but there really is nothing of value to steal. Obama has pretty well taken care of that over the past four years.

[Ms.Bean]

LOL i guess i am crazy now well now you will be deported. Keep on believeing what you are reading. I have been here a long time and i see the name callers come and go. Being called crazy is not hurting my feelings but if you want to be deported ask for china. Signing those petitions express your rights and when you find you been a victim ID theft i guess you will think again to sign a petition.

You do understand you only give an email and a zip code correct? Also the majority of identity thefts occur by mail or malicious card readers? If you are going to argue against this fine, but at least do so with a legitimate argument.

[jaman]

SgtFury, I actually saw the newly formed petition to have those of us who signed any such petition to secede be stripped of our citizenship. Wow! The reason I signed the petition for Florida is because I feel so unhappy with what is happening in Washington and every other avenue that we have to express such an idea falls on deaf ears. I thought this might garner some recognition. I'm at a loss.

so this could be great for us ...if we get striped of our citizenship ,does this mean we get free stuff like medical ,food stamps ,free schooling ,collage credits free housing,obummer phones ??

[Alexyn1006]

T don't apologize to me, you wrote it your own it. My approach is simple i don't sugar coated and i try my best not to call names. Tact is being up front and not beat around the bushes. Now my grammar might be out of whack but most get my meaning. Alot of people are mad because the President got reelected. As for my passion, if i am not happy i leave i won't come on DV screaming and hollering about the petitions i will sign and how many states have these. Has anyone thought about who will view these list. If you did not put your real name on their then you are just wasting your time. If it is fake then those names will not be used. My tone is straight forward and no room for misinterpretations. I am sorry you are not happy about the current situation, but if i was unhappy i would not be still in the US. Turkey is not a bad place to be, nor is Malta they speak English there. So if you are not happy then just leave. After spending time away from the good old usa you will miss it. One more point, you will never have as many rights as you have here. One expat decided to get drunk as a skunk in Dubai UAE, decided to crave his name in to some mahogany wood in a elevator(lift for British English speakers) the cops were called and he told the local cops you can't arrest me i am a US citizen i have rights. The cop said in plain english you may be a US citizen but the is the United Arab Emirates and you do not have rights here. Off to the clink he went, lost his job, had to pay for the repairs which was his whole paycheck sent home and banned from the country of UAE. Lesson learned don't act a fool in a foreign country and expect them to respect your rights. Be happy to have all of the rights you have here. Some countries you can't even own house land. Have a nice evening T Bomb.

I gave you a plus TP, because your level of paranoia is quite exceptional.

[Ms.Bean]

T don't apologize to me, you wrote it your own it. My approach is simple i don't sugar coated and i try my best not to call names. Tact is being up front and not beat around the bushes. Now my grammar might be out of whack but most get my meaning. Alot of people are mad because the President got reelected. As for my passion, if i am not happy i leave i won't come on DV screaming and hollering about the petitions i will sign and how many states have these. Has anyone thought about who will view these list. If you did not put your real name on their then you are just wasting your time. If it is fake then those names will not be used. My tone is straight forward and no room for misinterpretations. I am sorry you are not happy about the current situation, but if i was unhappy i would not be still in the US. Turkey is not a bad place to be, nor is Malta they speak English there. So if you are not happy then just leave. After spending time away from the good old usa you will miss it. One more point, you will never have as many rights as you have here. One expat decided to get drunk as a skunk in Dubai UAE, decided to crave his name in to some mahogany wood in a elevator(lift for British English speakers) the cops were called and he told the local cops you can't arrest me i am a US citizen i have rights. The cop said in plain english you may be a US citizen but the is the United Arab Emirates and you do not have rights here. Off to the clink he went, lost his job, had to pay for the repairs which was his whole paycheck sent home and banned from the country of UAE. Lesson learned don't act a fool in a foreign country and expect them to respect your rights. Be happy to have all of the rights you have here. Some countries you can't even own house land. Have a nice evening T Bomb.

I do honestly agree with you on a lot of the points you made there. I think the majority of us are just sickened by the fact that these rights are slowly being eroded away. I personally think both parties have a hand in this. I do not like Obama but I can not honestly place the blame on his head solely. I think he is an opportunist and sees that this is an open door for him to eliminate more of our personal freedoms, but others before him most definitely paved the way. We as a people have to decide if we are just going to roll over to the status qou or try to fight it. At the very least try to shine some light on the issues at hand. Otherwise not saying anything at all in my opinion is the greater crime.

[kid4dinar]

Tell ya what I think.

Listen to obama tone.

We will begin to hear Rev Wright tone.

Obama is here for some real change.

Change he warned us about, so look out.

Be ready, it will soon get here.

We all have been warned.

Some listened, some did not.

[TPSprayduster]

I do honestly agree with you on a lot of the points you made there. I think the majority of us are just sickened by the fact that these rights are slowly being eroded away. I personally think both parties have a hand in this. I do not like Obama but I can not honestly place the blame on his head solely. I think he is an opportunist and sees that this is an open door for him to eliminate more of our personal freedoms, but others before him most definitely paved the way. We as a people have to decide if we are just going to roll over to the status qou or try to fight it. At the very least try to shine some light on the issues at hand. Otherwise not saying anything at all in my opinion is the greater crime.

ms bean, that is alot of folks down fall is by allowing your feelings to get the best of you is usually when you are your weakest point. The people voted for him and reelected him. Seceding from the union is a big leap, i am sure if the military joined this petition they have violated their oath. They probably don't know that but when the stuff hits the fan it will be a sad time. Oh well.

You do understand you only give an email and a zip code correct? Also the majority of identity thefts occur by mail or malicious card readers? If you are going to argue against this fine, but at least do so with a legitimate argument.

Not going to argue with you, you create an email address and give a zip code. Does that represent you? Not really, i can create an email and give a zip code in a state i don't even live in to counted. If you are not giving your name then anyone can create 50 email accounts to boast numbers. So basically these so called petition for all of these states can be a fraud. That is why it won't be taken seriously. If you are serious put your name out there stand up and be counted not just create an email.

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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If a State does free itself it'll need to have it's own currency at some point...

Anybody here think us capable of showing Iraq how it's done and switch from the USD to

our own currency in less than 10 years........?

(Louisiana, you may barter in the interim with Mardi Gras beads.... )

Here in Florida we'll use oranges until we come up with our currency...

Edited November 14, 2012 by SgtFuryUSCZ

[DiveDeepSix]

Of course they don't want to let states leave, they will fight tooth and nail to keep it from happening. Why? Because they know once the red areas are gone so is all their tax revenue which will also spell the end of the entitlement programs, the blue areas, and typical Washington BS including themselves!!

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If a State does free itself it'll need to have it's own currency at some point...

Anybody here think us capable of showing Iraq how it's done and switch from the USD to

our own currency in less than 10 years........?

(Louisiana, you may barter in the interim with Mardi Gras beads.... )

Here in Florida we'll use oranges until we come up with our currency...

LOL here in arctic we could use beaver pelts and snowballs!! :lol: Then we could all sit and wait on North Dakota currency to RV with all their new found oil we know it should be going up!!

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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DIVE... you "sleigh" us...! arctic pelts n' snowballs...!

The Dakotas also have minerals & Black Hills gold in addition to the oil...

now that you mention it, they're just like Iraq!

Maybe DINAR THUG can move his harem & his camels there!

[DiveDeepSix]

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DIVE... you "sleigh" us...! arctic pelts n' snowballs...!

The Dakotas also have minerals & Black Hills gold in addition to the oil...

now that you mention it, they're just like Iraq!

Maybe DINAR THUG can move his harem & his camels there!

LOL, even the landscape is similar. They used to have trees, but they both died last year!

[Sentinel7]

LOL i guess i am crazy now well now you will be deported. Keep on believeing what you are reading. I have been here a long time and i see the name callers come and go. Being called crazy is not hurting my feelings but if you want to be deported ask for china. Signing those petitions express your rights and when you find you been a victim ID theft i guess you will think again to sign a petition.

I remember you now. I am getting old and slower but I do remember you

You were there when we came out of Egypt.

You and your group running up and down the line yelling this is a mistake

We must go back, the Pharaoh will send his armies to destroy us and the blood will be on your hands.

We must go back and beg the Pharaoh for forgiveness take up our yokes

If we COMPROMISE now just maybe in 3 or 4 hundred years they will set us free but we must return now.

You and your group would not go back on your own, you stayed with us harping and complaining the whole way.

Yes I remember you !!!

You showed back up in my life at the signing of the Declaration Of Independence.

Telling us all how big of a mistake we were making.

No No you cried you must not declare independence the crown will destroy us all

We must COMPROMISE we must pay our taxes we must keep sending all that we make or grow to England. Maybe just maybe in 2 or 3 hundred years England will let us govern ourselves but now is not the time we will be destroyed our blood will be your legacy.

You were there when Rosa Parks got off the bus telling her how foolish she was

You were also there with Martin Luther

In 1973 you showed up again at Wounded Knee

Every time you show up you preach COMPROMISE and surrender

Oh yes I remember you well. your name is---- Status Quo

No Surrender No Retreat No Compromise

Sentinel 7

[yota691]

Well get to moving then, don't wait to be deported just leave if you are not happy. If i was not happy i would go to Europe or somewhere else if things were not going my way. But for a second do you think i will sign up on a petition to leave the US. Wrong answer, so many these so called patroits calling for these petitions maybe looking for more than just your support. But hey i am a dummy so when you become a victim please don't come crying saying you got duped.

TP how about lets reserve your comments and to the folks that Love America Stay and the folks that want the lifestyle of Europe move right on over...Just saying America was Built by Americans, it not like O state you didn't build that!!

[Ms.Bean]

I remember you now. I am getting old and slower but I do remember you

You were there when we came out of Egypt.

You and your group running up and down the line yelling this is a mistake

We must go back, the Pharaoh will send his armies to destroy us and the blood will be on your hands.

We must go back and beg the Pharaoh for forgiveness take up our yokes

If we COMPROMISE now just maybe in 3 or 4 hundred years they will set us free but we must return now.

You and your group would not go back on your own, you stayed with us harping and complaining the whole way.

Yes I remember you !!!

You showed back up in my life at the signing of the Declaration Of Independence.

Telling us all how big of a mistake we were making.

No No you cried you must not declare independence the crown will destroy us all

We must COMPROMISE we must pay our taxes we must keep sending all that we make or grow to England. Maybe just maybe in 2 or 3 hundred years England will let us govern ourselves but now is not the time we will be destroyed our blood will be your legacy.

You were there when Rosa Parks got off the bus telling her how foolish she was

You were also there with Martin Luther

In 1973 you showed up again at Wounded Knee

Every time you show up you preach COMPROMISE and surrender

Oh yes I remember you well. your name is---- Status Quo

No Surrender No Retreat No Compromise

Sentinel 7

Amen