I have been trying to find a way to say this

[Lutie]

I have waited a few days to express my opinion on the impact the Ron Paul followers and all third party people had on this election because I feel such true anger toward them. They defend their position by saying they stand on principle.

Well another time another place that might be ok but this was not just another election it wasn't Republican against Democrat Bush against Clinton it was so much more important then that. It was Freedom against socialism . Ron Paul never stood and said we can try this again another time when the very survival of our country is not on the line let's do what is best for the country now. I agreed with a lot of what Ron Paul said and at the right time I might have even voted for him. Now I will never support another libertarian . Call me a poor loser if you want but you voted against my children and grand children and I find that hard to swallow. What you didn't take into consideration is what you did will have a devestating effect on your own families. I copied this but it says it all pretty well.

"A more troubling case is that of Florida. Romney lost Florida by a mere 0.7 percentage points. And third-party candidates–by which I mean third-party candidates officially on the ballot and those who received write-in votes–received 0.9 percent of the vote. If those wasted votes (as indeed all third-party votes are a waste) had gone to Romney, he would have won Florida. This still would not have given Romney an electoral victory, but the perception would not have been so damaging.If it were not for Libertarians and people voting third-party on some mutation of a principle, then there would not currently be as big a perception that conservatism and Libertarianism is so wildly unpopular when the other option is socialism."

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/how-we-got-screwed-by-non-voters-libertarians-and-principled-conservatives/#ixzz2Bpu3VyA0

[dog53]

Well said Lutie . They would sacrifice their own children just to prove themselves right. It`s called selfishness. But they will bear the fruit like the rest of us for what they have wrought.

[aliciadogz]

Thats how I see it.

[thesjeske]

No true patriot that supports Ron Paul would ever vote for Obama. Either we voted for Gary Johnson or like myself totally refused to vote. I've always been a registered Independent and for the first time in my 50 years I absolutely refused to vote and I've never felt better with that decision.

[eastcreek]

I have waited a few days to express my opinion on the impact the Ron Paul followers and all third party people had on this election because I feel such true anger toward them. They defend their position by saying they stand on principle.

Well another time another place that might be ok but this was not just another election it wasn't Republican against Democrat Bush against Clinton it was so much more important then that. It was Freedom against socialism . Ron Paul never stood and said we can try this again another time when the very survival of our country is not on the line let's do what is best for the country now. I agreed with a lot of what Ron Paul said and at the right time I might have even voted for him. Now I will never support another libertarian . Call me a poor loser if you want but you voted against my children and grand children and I find that hard to swallow. What you didn't take into consideration is what you did will have a devestating effect on your own families. I copied this but it says it all pretty well.

"A more troubling case is that of Florida. Romney lost Florida by a mere 0.7 percentage points. And third-party candidates–by which I mean third-party candidates officially on the ballot and those who received write-in votes–received 0.9 percent of the vote. If those wasted votes (as indeed all third-party votes are a waste) had gone to Romney, he would have won Florida. This still would not have given Romney an electoral victory, but the perception would not have been so damaging.If it were not for Libertarians and people voting third-party on some mutation of a principle, then there would not currently be as big a perception that conservatism and Libertarianism is so wildly unpopular when the other option is socialism."

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/how-we-got-screwed-by-non-voters-libertarians-and-principled-conservatives/#ixzz2Bpu3VyA0

Spot on , Lutie ! I agree wholeheartedly. Their position is just not well thought out. If it were they'd see that they need to work smart by taking small steps. Elect the more conservative candidate of the two frontrunners. Then, work a little harder with that candidate after he/she wins to get some things you think need to be passed legislatively. Do it many times over a period of years and you can accomplish much.

BTW, that's the way the socialists/communists are doing it, and look where they are now. The current administration is full of them.

[flatdawg]

I have waited a few days to express my opinion on the impact the Ron Paul followers and all third party people had on this election because I feel such true anger toward them. They defend their position by saying they stand on principle.

Well another time another place that might be ok but this was not just another election it wasn't Republican against Democrat Bush against Clinton it was so much more important then that. It was Freedom against socialism . Ron Paul never stood and said we can try this again another time when the very survival of our country is not on the line let's do what is best for the country now. I agreed with a lot of what Ron Paul said and at the right time I might have even voted for him. Now I will never support another libertarian . Call me a poor loser if you want but you voted against my children and grand children and I find that hard to swallow. What you didn't take into consideration is what you did will have a devestating effect on your own families. I copied this but it says it all pretty well.

"A more troubling case is that of Florida. Romney lost Florida by a mere 0.7 percentage points. And third-party candidates–by which I mean third-party candidates officially on the ballot and those who received write-in votes–received 0.9 percent of the vote. If those wasted votes (as indeed all third-party votes are a waste) had gone to Romney, he would have won Florida. This still would not have given Romney an electoral victory, but the perception would not have been so damaging.If it were not for Libertarians and people voting third-party on some mutation of a principle, then there would not currently be as big a perception that conservatism and Libertarianism is so wildly unpopular when the other option is socialism."

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/how-we-got-screwed-by-non-voters-libertarians-and-principled-conservatives/#ixzz2Bpu3VyA0

All along the GOP said they didn't need us Paul supporters. And now I see they did need us, like I knew they would. Maybe, just maybe, in 4 years the GOP can find a true conservative to nominate.

A man without principles is like a boat adrift a sea.

[dog53]

All along the GOP said they didn't need us Paul supporters. And now I see they did need us, like I knew they would. Maybe, just maybe, in 4 years the GOP can find a true conservative to nominate.

A man without principles is like a boat adrift a sea.

Yes you are absoulutly right I couldnt agree with you more. AMERICA NEEDED YOU. Thanks for the neg buddy right back atcha

[flatdawg]

Yes you are absoulutly right I couldnt agree with you more. AMERICA NEEDED YOU. Thanks for the neg buddy right back atcha

And I did what was right for America... I voted Libertarian because I have principles.

I have a feeling you'd have voted for Mao had the GOP run him.

Maybe one day you will wake and discover that just because a man has an "R" behind his name doesn't make him a true conservative. Maybe not.

[KiaKaha]

They had to know without the electoral vote their candidate could not be in office, so WHY waste a vote? You've proven your point & now will reap what you've sown. Unfortunately so will my children & grandchildren.

Thanks.

Personally, I hold you as responsible as those who voted for obama for every wrong over the next however many years it takes to get him out of office. The blood is also on your hands.

KK

MADD for Heather

[dog53]

And I did what was right for America... I voted Libertarian because I have principles.

I have a feeling you'd have voted for Mao had the GOP run him.

Maybe one day you will wake and discover that just because a man has an "R" behind his name doesn't make him a true conservative. Maybe not.

People like you like to judge other people when you do not even know them . I have voted in every election since I was old enough to vote. Not always republican The last election 4 years ago was the first time I did not cast a vote. I did not like McCaine but was unsure of Obama. So I didnt vote at all. Over the last 4 years I became very sure that Obama was the worst thing that has ever happened to this country. So no Flatdog I am not a single party man. I vote to help myself and my chidren and grandchildren. So please dont try to come off as if you know me. Because you dont. I will give you that same respect.

[flatdawg]

so WHY waste a vote?

The question you should be asking is to the GOP and it is:

Why would you waste an election by nominating a flip-flopping liberal?

[flatdawg]

People like you like to judge other people when you do not even know them .

Yesterday you questioned a man's patriotism because he didn't agree with you.

[dog53]

Yesterday you questioned a man's patriotism because he didn't agree with you.

What I didnt agree with was being called names. If your going to quote me please quote the entire post. Not just the part of it. Thats what libs are famous for. I know that you are not. Again I ask that we agree to disagree and try to show one another respect. If thats not possible so be it.

[KiaKaha]

The question you should be asking is to the GOP and it is:

Why would you waste an election by nominating a flip-flopping liberal?

Capitalist over socialist/marxist any day of the week.

KK

MADD for Heather

[flatdawg]

Capitalist Fascist over socialist/marxist any day of the week.

Fixt.

[lenoree]

hello all..you are assuming that all of the third party voters would have voted for Romney and that simply is not true reasoning or fact.

[Lutie]

And I did what was right for America... I voted Libertarian because I have principles.

I have a feeling you'd have voted for Mao had the GOP run him.

Maybe one day you will wake and discover that just because a man has an "R" behind his name doesn't make him a true conservative. Maybe not.

Flatdawg you missed the point again. We didn't want Romney to win just because he has an R behind his name. He was the clear choice at this time for the good of the country. And as for voting for Mao that's just about what YOU did. We all have principles but to be stubborn and stand on principle at this time when you knew it would get you nothing and your vote would mean nothing and the end result is the worst president this country has ever had it makes no sense.

[flatdawg]

hello all..you are assuming that all of the third party voters would have voted for Romney and that simply is not true reasoning or fact.

Truer words have never been spoken.

In addition, a GOP nominated Paul would have would have locked up the third party vote for the republicans as well as the disenfranchised democrat vote.

Oh well, you live, and hopefully, you learn.

Flatdawg you missed the point again. We didn't want Romney to win just because he has an R behind his name. He was the clear choice at this time for the good of the country. And as for voting for Mao that's just about what YOU did. We all have principles but to be stubborn and stand on principle at this time when you knew it would get you nothing and your vote would mean nothing and the end result is the worst president this country has ever had it makes no sense.

Paul or Johnson were the clear choice this time. Face it, your party failed you by nominating the wrong candidate. A candidate that had no chance of winning.

As for standing on my principles, I'll break before I bend.

[whatsthis]

I'll say this one time & you better pay close attention to this First I will start by saying I voted for Romney but there were those who did not like either candidate & some voted for Obama because it was who they felt they new the best not what was best for the country SO now on to what you need to pay close attention to EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO VOTE FOR WHO THEY WANT NOT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HAS THE RIGHT TO DEMAND THEM TO VOTE FOR WHO YOU WANT. I am done now so the mods can do what they want with my reply & if it gets deleted than we know its all about the control & its like a communist party & we should elect Hitler back into power.

[dog53]

Romney lost by a very very narrow margin. We picked a cannidate that had a chance of winning. The country was divided almost directly in half. Look at florida . Every vote counted in this election. If we would of had the independent vote we would have won the election . This is fact .

[flatdawg]

Romney lost by a very very narrow margin. We picked a cannidate that had a chance of winning. The country was divided almost directly in half. Look at florida . Every vote counted in this election. If we would of had the independent vote we would have won the election . This is fact .

barry may be the worst President in US history and the GOP could not nominate a candidate to beat him without the independent vote.

Sad, just effin' sad.

[stronglilly]

I read the comments on this subject and wanted to cry, it made me so sad to realize the ignorance and selfishness of a people.

Obama is a man who hates his own "white" mother, he believes it is better for this nation to be poor and helpless to be equal with the rest of the world. He believes that we should take the money from hard working men and women or their families whom have received this money in inheritance because their family sacrificed their time with them to work to make an inheritance for them to give it to people who believe just because they themselves did not earn it they should give it to those who will not work. To those who cry they are underprivileged because of something that happened to their relatives generations ago. When the Irish came to America they weren't welcomed by many. They were left to die in the streets in the cold, hungry. But they pressed in and worked hard to not just survive but to prosper. I don't hear the Irish saying they can not succeed because of what happened to their relatives, living on welfare saying they deserve it. So Obama believes that the rich should pay for the ones who refuse to work. Yes, there are many who can't work. Yes, it is hard to find jobs especially after 4 years with Obama. This man believes in killing. He has striven to make sure abortion was not only available, but that it was forced on children born alive. Laying them in garbage cans, on tables left alone or even to be strangled by the physician. He has rallied for late term abortion where they deliver a child up to its head and then take scissors to cut into its head, inject a vacuum into their brain and while the child is kicking in pain they suck their brains out until they are dead. He believes this is right. Obama believes in Islam. He has organizations he has funded that funds people like his cousin Odinga who is a muslim who promised Shari law. Obama as a senator went to Africa and traveled with Odinga and campaigned for him giving him money. Then when Odinga wasn't elected he sent his people out and they took machetes and killed the Christians and burned their churches with Christians in them. After the country couldn't stand it anymore they gave Odinga the prime ministers job. As Odinga promised Kenya's constitution has been changed and they are now under Islam and Shari law. As president Obama sent Odinga 20 Million dollars, Tax payers dollars. This is an example of what Obama believes in. He has placed Czars in office to run things bypassing congress and our say so. He has many people running things that are devote muslim brotherhood. There is no moderate muslim brotherhood. They have a "project". Yes, that is the name of it. Which has a "to do list" for taking over America. One item on the list is to infiltrate the government on local and national levels to gain control from within. When Obama took office in 08 he stood before the world and declared that the United States of America was no longer a Christian nation but now is a muslim, and then he added alll other religions. WHY? because as president he believes that since America has a muslim president it changes everything. He has declared many times "my muslim faith" ;not my words but his. Obama believes in homosexuality. Now if you practice this I am sorry if I offend you but I believe this behavior is a sin. Obama's wife filed papers to divorce him before he ran for senate. He complaint was because of his illiset homosexual behavior and his bad money practices. Yes, she did withdraw the petition but facts are known. He had boyfriend in college. OK, if he wants to practice this behavior but to try to change the nature of this nation and to run a platform for it is horrific. The major majority says this is not a homosexual nation and that marriage is between a man and a woman. He gives billions to companies which he is invested in only for them to declare bankrupsy within a year or two. Come on, where did the money go? He was involved in selling guns to mexican cartels and yet he want to sign for the UN to take ours.

How many of you know that right before Clinton was placed in her position in Obamas administration that their best friend was murdered. How many know Bill Clinton was the one who disclosed that Obama is illegal? Yet, he strangely shut up and let Hillarious join Obama. Now they are running from Obama's administration. Did you know Obama watched the Bengazi situation from the White house as it happened and denied them help when they requested it? How many people have died mysteriously and murdered blatantly after speaking out against Obama or disclosing they were going to testify or supply proof? MANY. He is funding Billion for the rebuilding of mosk in other nations but we can't pay our debt. He is funding his own cousin to establish Islam and shari law in Kenya but we can't pay our debt. Then there is Obama care. OH, MY GOD. Yes, we have uninsured who desperately need medical care but this is not the way. Ok, some of you will say some of the things I have said are conspiracy theories. DO THE RESEARCH THE FACTS, not theories FACTS are out their. forgive me I have strayed...........those of you who wanted Ron Paul, well I was one, but I wasn't going to vote for someone else to prove it. I had enough common sense and concern for the welfare of this nation and her people no matter how ignorant they have proven to be. We have to look out for the simple minded too. I knew if I cast my vote or didn't vote to prove a point wasn't going to prove anything, do you really think anyone noticed? Do you really think you have spoken out in anyway? Where are those facts you spoke out? In a box somewhere. The only thing noticed is who is sitting in the white house. So now this lawless, immoral, socialistic/marxist has four more years to kill the elderly and sick with death panels, to raise the taxes to places the struggling can not pay, put innocent people in prison for fines they can't pay because they chose to feed their children instead of paying the penalties for obamacare. He has four more years to fund the middle east in removing moderates who at least allowed Christians to live to place men in office by the muslim brotherhood; this so called peaceful people who are killing all the Christians in Egypt now they are in and will do to every nation Obama helps them take over. Do you think we aren't next? Obama care exempts Muslims but not Christians. So they get free medical while we pay for it or go to jail but they don't have to pay for it and can't be fined or imprisoned for it. Hello, is anyone out there smart enough to read this thing and do something to stop it? He has four more years to join the UN in taking our guns. Yes, unarming us so that the muslim brotherhood won't have any problems with us thier infidels. You made a point alright. May God (that isn't allah) have mercy on us, for if God Almighty doesn't do something we won't have an America that we know and love in four years. And you have succeeded in voting out a man who loves America and so does his family. A family who would bring honor back to our nation. A man who is an experienced business man who knows how to balance the books. A man who has values and morality. Who honors and believes in our constitution and our rights especially to bear arms. Yep, you guys did a great job to be proud of, didn't you?

[Markinsa]

Truer words have never been spoken.

In addition, a GOP nominated Paul would have would have locked up the third party vote for the republicans as well as the disenfranchised democrat vote.

Oh well, you live, and hopefully, you learn.

Paul or Johnson were the clear choice this time. Face it, your party failed you by nominating the wrong candidate. A candidate that had no chance of winning.

As for standing on my principles, I'll break before I bend.

So did yours...So who won? The party that most of us didn't want, at least the Republican's showed up and put up a very good fight.

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[flatdawg]

So did yours...

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Hahaha... yep.

Maybe if we had willard's magic underwear we'd have done better.

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[flatdawg]

Ya know mark...not one Libertarian, not one Constitutionalist, not one Independent has come here and laid the blame for their losing effort on the republicans for not voting with them.

Interesting? I think so.