Facebook shuts down Navy Seal's page

[simple]

Did you even read the article and see the proof therein????? Or did you just arbitrarily disregard because you think Breitbart is a lying rag???

Stone... you know Breitbart articles intentionally slant and mislead as clearly evident in many articles including the most recent, Chrysler to move jobs to China story. See, people actually believe these hypotheses to be true, therefore, these hypotheses frighten, create disdain and extreme hate. Manipulating people minds for votes and modern day hatred. Not only no evidence in this story, Seal Team didn't call him!!!

But you guys accomplished your phony act of hypocrisy goal. Nothing more to add.

Edited October 31, 2012 by simple

[DinarMillionaire]

WOMEN’S GROUP Slams Obama For Abandoning SEALs in Benghazi.

Woman United PAC jumps in...

[dog53]

Stone... you know Breitbart articles intentionally slant and mislead as clearly evident in many articles including the most recent, Chrysler to move jobs to China story. See, people actually believe these hypotheses to be true, therefore, these hypotheses frighten, create disdain and extreme hate. Manipulating people minds for votes and modern day hatred. Not only no evidence in this story, Seal Team didn't call him!!!

But you guys accomplished your phony act of hypocrisy goal. Nothing more to add.

Simple once again your simply wrong. Just watched it on the tube. Facebook got such a response from people like on this forum. That they placed the picture back on. I would suggest simple before you start tearing down a post you take a look at the latest news broadcast so you dont look so foolish. Congrats guys job well done.

[simple]

Simple once again your simply wrong. Just watched it on the tube. Facebook got such a response from people like on this forum. That they placed the picture back on. I would suggest simple before you start tearing down a post you take a look at the latest news broadcast so you dont look so foolish. Congrats guys job well done.

I'm wrong with my comment on this one Dog53 as far as FB! I was carried away with the actual picture instead of focusing on the FB story.

Foolish comment wasn't necessary, read my comments again and see they're on the picture and the story it implies. -peace

Edited October 31, 2012 by simple

[Timberwolf3]

Stone... you know Breitbart articles intentionally slant and mislead as clearly evident in many articles including the most recent, Chrysler to move jobs to China story. See, people actually believe these hypotheses to be true, therefore, these hypotheses frighten, create disdain and extreme hate. Manipulating people minds for votes and modern day hatred. Not only no evidence in this story, Seal Team didn't call him!!!

But you guys accomplished your phony act of hypocrisy goal. Nothing more to add.

Simple, there is overwhelming evidence that requests for additional security was DENIED. What more evidence do you want other than 4 dead Americans that were left to fend for themselves??? Hate....your damn right!!! How would you feel if it was your Brother that someone in this administration threw under the bus, and just sat there and watched as their calls for help were repeatedly DENIED??? It just kills me that you continuosly defend this current administration, when THEIR LIES and delutional stories about a video, have been PROVEN false!!!

I have lost Brothers while I was serving in the Marines and there is no hypotheses or slant to 4 DEAD AMERICANS!!! REALLY???

You sure seem to be proud that we lost 4 American patriots, as it seems o and his admin. is!!!

[simple]

Simple, there is overwhelming evidence that requests for additional security was DENIED. What more evidence do you want other than 4 dead Americans that were left to fend for themselves??? Hate....your damn right!!! How would you feel if it was your Brother that someone in this administration threw under the bus, and just sat there and watched as their calls for help were repeatedly DENIED??? It just kills me that you continuosly defend this current administration, when THEIR LIES and delutional stories about a video, have been PROVEN false!!!

I have lost Brothers while I was serving in the Marines and there is no hypotheses or slant to 4 DEAD AMERICANS!!! REALLY???

You sure seem to be proud that we lost 4 American patriots, as it seems o and his admin. is!!!

Now you're being simply stupid!

[Timberwolf3]

Now you're being simply stupid!

Never said that I wasn't....Just really pissed about this whole thing and the course it is taking!!!

Good on you for admitting that you were wrong about Dog's post!!!

[simple]

Never said that I wasn't....Just really pissed about this whole thing and the course it is taking!!!

Good on you for admitting that you were wrong about Dog's post!!!

[Snotrocket]

Simple, there is overwhelming evidence that requests for additional security was DENIED. What more evidence do you want other than 4 dead Americans that were left to fend for themselves??? Hate....your damn right!!! How would you feel if it was your Brother that someone in this administration threw under the bus, and just sat there and watched as their calls for help were repeatedly DENIED??? It just kills me that you continuosly defend this current administration, when THEIR LIES and delutional stories about a video, have been PROVEN false!!!

I have lost Brothers while I was serving in the Marines and there is no hypotheses or slant to 4 DEAD AMERICANS!!! REALLY???

You sure seem to be proud that we lost 4 American patriots, as it seems o and his admin. is!!!

Nice rant - well said Timerwolf. Simple's job as a TROLL is to try to discredit any speech that doesn't support his precious one. He doesn't acknowledge the truth or facts as this makes his job (as a TROLL) harder. He's probably not a bad person - just a bad TROLL! I wonder if he even owns any dinar. Hmmmm

I didn't know you were a marine - thank you for your service. This Benghazi story has to be especially upsetting to anyone who's ever served in our military. They've put their lives in harms way to protect us....has to make them wonder....who's protecting them?

[simple]

Nice rant - well said Timerwolf. Simple's job as a TROLL is to try to discredit any speech that doesn't support his ******* ***. He doesn't acknowledge the truth or facts as this makes his job (as a TROLL) harder. He's probably not a bad person - just a bad TROLL! I wonder if he even owns any dinar. Hmmmm

Would you call that 'poking the bear'? Take a deep breath Snotrocket, not interested.

[Snotrocket]

Would you call that 'poking the bear'? Take a deep breath Snotrocket, not interested.

Of course not - you're not a bear.....you're a pussycat!

[simple]

Of course not - you're not a bear.....you're a pussycat!

Well first time you made me laugh. Just having fun Snotrocket...

[TPSprayduster]

TP, I agree, why weren't the Marines there to guard this embassy?

Marine Corps Security Guard Duty

From United States Marine Corps

In addition to wanting to meet and overcome the challenges, physical and mental, of earning the title "Marine," one reason Marines give for joining the Corps is a chance for travel and adventure. Perhaps no other billet in the Marines, or any service, can live up to this desire more than Marine Security Guard duty.Marine Security Guards are responsible for providing security at about 125 U.S. embassies and consulates around the world. Those on MSG duty are primarily responsible for embassies' interior security, normally the lobby or main entrance. Guards are trained to react to terrorist acts as well as a variety of emergencies such as fires, riots, demonstrations and evacuations.

Eligibility Requirements

• Must be in the rank of E-2 through E-8.
• Must be a U.S. Citizen.
• Must be eligible for a Top Secret security clearance.
• Must have one year time on station (waiverable).
• Must have an ASVAB " GT Score " of 90 or above (waiverable). Those who have a GT score of less than 90 are encouraged to retake the ASVAB.
• Must have no tattoos visible in uniform.
• Must meet Marine Corps weight and fitness standards.
• Must have no record of Nonjudicial Punishment within the last year.

Marines in the rank of E-5 and below must be single, with no dependents. However, those Marines who have children but are not the primary care takers are not immediately disqualified (i.e. paying child support or alimony is not an immediate disqualifier). E-6s and above may have up to four dependants to include spouses.

Upon selection, Marines attend the Security Guard School at Quantico, VA. The MSG school conducts five class sessions per year training more than 450 Marines.

Upon graduation from MSG school, Marines in the rank of E-5 or below are assigned as standard security guards or "‘watch standers." These Marines then serve three separate year-long tours, one of which will likely be a hardship post in a third world country.

Marines in the rank of E-6 and above are assigned as detachment commanders and are operationally responsible to the ambassador or appointed delegates. They serve two, 16-month tours and can bring dependants along. Each tour is served in one of nine regions.

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/marineassign/a/marinesecurity.htm

IF a contingent was not asked for then it would be there. You just don't say hey i want a MSG det in a location. Some of your information is incorrect unless they changed the regs again. Their must be a support base for them as well as a place for them to man a consulate. Since Benghazi was a new location and no none was their before then a MSG det would not be assigned. Now i am sure some Arm Chair quarterbacks will say different but i hope they have stood a post or two before commenting.

As for the SEALS being in benghazi they were not. I think some folks put a story out their and they are running with it. If the SEALS were their then which team was it?

Edited October 31, 2012 by TPSprayduster

[Deltori]

Now you're being simply stupid!

Simple what fuels you to ignore facts. And why are you stuck on stupid about the seals calling Obama for help. Can't you see the point they are making? We all know the seals didn't personally call Obama but help was certainly requested and denied.

That's simply not American. Americans rush to the aid of people all around the world because we are exceptional. When our own heros call for help you better damn well see that help executed with expediency.

We all despise the new version of America that the current administration and cohorts are attempting to force on us. They are slippery little politicians greedy for any money or power they can squeeze from "us" and none of us wants or needs to have to count on them for anything other than what our constitution allows.

Or do you need to find ways to dispute something that isn't Obama administration approved propoganda? ? Must be a genetic disposition or something

IF a contingent was not asked for then it would be there. You just don't say hey i want a MSG det in a location. Some of your information is incorrect unless they changed the regs again. Their must be a support base for them as well as a place for them to man a consulate. Since Benghazi was a new location and no none was their before then a MSG det would not be assigned. Now i am sure some Arm Chair quarterbacks will say different but i hope they have stood a post or two before commenting.

As for the SEALS being in benghazi they were not. I think some folks put a story out their and they are running with it. If the SEALS were their then which team was it?

Two or three seals were on a different task in the area and rushed to aid the ambassador and others (defying orders to stand down by the way) and in the process saved many lives by giving their own. How do you not know this? What news sources do you need to go yell at for keeping you in the dark?

[TPSprayduster]

Simple what fuels you to ignore facts. And why are you stuck on stupid about the seals calling Obama for help. Can't you see the point they are making? We all know the seals didn't personally call Obama but help was certainly requested and denied.

That's simply not American. Americans rush to the aid of people all around the world because we are exceptional. When our own heros call for help you better damn well see that help executed with expediency.

We all despise the new version of America that the current administration and cohorts are attempting to force on us. They are slippery little politicians greedy for any money or power they can squeeze from "us" and none of us wants or needs to have to count on them for anything other than what our constitution allows.

Or do you need to find ways to dispute something that isn't Obama administration approved propoganda? ? Must be a genetic disposition or something

Two or three seals were on a different task in the area and rushed to aid the ambassador and others (defying orders to stand down by the way) and in the process saved many lives by giving their own. How do you not know this? What news sources do you need to go yell at for keeping you in the dark?

Because they were not their, those former Seals were security that worked for the Dept of State. 1-3 seals would never deploy in that fashion. Not yelling in the dark just not going to following along with a story someone spun up. Which Seal Team were they from? When they shot down that helo with those seal members on board it was broadcast world wide, some even said they were shot down to keep them quite. So i am waiting for which team this 3 seals were from 4 people were killed in benghazi and those were were Seals were former seals not on a mission but working for the State Department. When you work for the diplomatic corps you are sent into a crappy situation to promoted the US policies. Did we send the calvary when they overran the consulate in Lahore Pakistan? Nope, when you are diplomat it is understood that you can lose your life. Now making politics with the deaths of personnel and which i think the father of the ambassador blasted the media for using his son as cannon fodder. So Del if you were there then you know if not then you cannot speculate. I don't follow breibart, is this the same outlet that put out that earth shattering obama story that was a dud. Stop using other deaths to get away from the real message of no jobs, out of control debt.

[dog53]

Because they were not their, those former Seals were security that worked for the Dept of State. 1-3 seals would never deploy in that fashion. Not yelling in the dark just not going to following along with a story someone spun up. Which Seal Team were they from? When they shot down that helo with those seal members on board it was broadcast world wide, some even said they were shot down to keep them quite. So i am waiting for which team this 3 seals were from 4 people were killed in benghazi and those were were Seals were former seals not on a mission but working for the State Department. When you work for the diplomatic corps you are sent into a crappy situation to promoted the US policies. Did we send the calvary when they overran the consulate in Lahore Pakistan? Nope, when you are diplomat it is understood that you can lose your life. Now making politics with the deaths of personnel and which i think the father of the ambassador blasted the media for using his son as cannon fodder. So Del if you were there then you know if not then you cannot speculate. I don't follow breibart, is this the same outlet that put out that earth shattering obama story that was a dud. Stop using other deaths to get away from the real message of no jobs, out of control debt.

Nope I disagree. Your actually saying that those two former seals (who were GOVT CIA ) were no longer brothers in arms with other seals. So they did not deserve to be rescued. I`m thinking your talking smack TP .

[Showtime2012]

That's so sad! here's another President who allowed thousands to suffer and hundreds to die here in America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Government Denied Water to New Orleans Residents During Katrina, Relief Workers Say

People of the Dome

By Mitchel Cohen

nospray.org

"I'm sick to death of hearing things from uptight narrow-minded pigheaded politicians. All I want is the truth. Just give me some truth." - John Lennon

AS HURRICANE KATRINA RAVAGED THE GULF STATES, many organizations kicked into high gear to send relief to local groups in Mississippi and Louisiana, with no help from the government or formal relief agencies. Among them was the Malcolm X Grassroots movement, with whom the No Spray Coalition shared an office. Tons of donated supplies poured into the office and were trucked to Jackson Mississippi, where they were distributed through community-based efforts.

I spoke daily with Les Evenchick, a Green who lives in the French Quarter of New Orleans. I was also in touch with New Orleans residents Malik Rahim and Mike Howell; the areas in which they live were dry and they were holding out as long as they could. The story they tell is shocking: U.S. and local government officials ordered the local drinking water turned off and refused to allow water or food relief into New Orleans. Hundreds of people died unnecessarily as a result.

And yet, there was no shortage of water or food being sent -- it was just not allowed into the City! When Green Party activists tried to donate a large amount of water for the people in the SuperDome a few days after the levees broke, armed soldiers pointed rifles at them and prevented them from delivering supplies. Even three Wal-mart trucks loaded with drinking water were denied entry and turned away. No water was allowed into New Orleans. Evenchick says that "this was a brazen attempt to starve people out."

There was no health reason to turn off the drinking water at the time, as the water is drawn into a separate system from the Mississippi River, not the polluted lake, and filtered through self-powered purification plants separate from the main electric grid. If necessary, people could have boiled their water -- strangely, the municipal natural gas used in stoves was still functioning properly as of Thursday night of that first week! I emailed Governor Kathleen Blanco (a Democrat) asking, "Who ordered the turn-off of the drinking water?" I have not received a response from Gov. Blanco.

A commanding officer of a police squad complained that his 120 cops were provided with only 70 small bottles of water. Hospitals were supplied with nothing. Could FEMA, Homeland Security and local officials have forgotten to store bottles of drinking water in the Superdome, Convention Center and hospitals?

The only FEMA official on the scene in the early stages, Marty Bahamonde, has testified to Congress that he begged FEMA director Michael Brown for water, food, toilet paper and oxygen, saying that "many will die within hours." Brown's press secretary, Sharon Worthy, responded that the FEMA director needed more time to eat dinner at a Baton Rouge restaurant that evening. "He needs much more that [sic] 20 or 30 minutes," Worthy wrote. "Restaurants are getting busy," she said. "We now have traffic to encounter to go to and from a location of his choise [sic], followed by wait service from the restaurant staff, eating, etc." Let them eat gumbo.

Green activist and former Black Panther Malik Rahim, who lives in the Algiers section -- which, like the French Quarter and several other areas above sea-level, remained dry -- points out that the government could have and should have provided water and food to residents of New Orleans but did not do so intentionally, to force people to evacuate by starving them out. This is a crime of the gravest sort.

French Quarter resident Mike Howell adds that the capability had been there from the start to drive water and food right up to the convention center, as those roads were clear. "It's how the National Guard drove into the city," he said.

The evidence is overwhelming that the government intentionally did not allow food or water into New Orleans.

These were the people, after all, who had twice voted in huge numbers against the candidacy of George Bush, the only area in the state to have done so. In recent years they also

- fought off attempts to privatize the drinking water supply,

- battled Shell Oil's attempt to build a Liquified Natural Gas facility, and

- tried to prevent the teardown of public housing

These were all battles in which Mayor Ray Nagin sided with the oil companies and millionaire developers. Nagin had contributed funds to George W. Bush's presidential campaign and was a registered Republican until just prior to the Mayoral election in 2002.

Attempts to starve civilians into leaving an area is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions. Who gave the order to block water and food from entering New Orleans? Who ordered the drinking water inside the city to be turned off? No one has yet answered those questions.

On Thursday of that first week, volunteers who had rescued over 1,000 people in boats were ordered to stop, under the pretext that it was too dangerous. The volunteers wanted to continue rescue operations. They said there was little risk, that desperate people had been welcoming them with open arms. The military "convinced" the volunteer rescuers at gunpoint to "cease and desist." They did the same to a state senator who had led a flotilla of hundreds of boats and rafts all the way from Mississippi to rescue people.

Who gave the order to block the volunteer rescue teams in New Orleans? No one has yet answered that question.

Officials claimed that people were trying to shoot down the rescue helicopters. In actuality, there were a couple of people shooting into the air to signal helicopters to pick them up. Yet officials repeated the lies about people shooting at helicopters over and over, as justification for shutting down voluntary rescue operations and sending in thousands of fully armed military troops, along with private Blackwater mercenaries fresh from Iraq under orders to "shoot to kill."

(Blackwater, Inc. billed the federal government $950 per man, per day -- at one point raking in more than $240,000 a day. At its peak the company had about 600 contractors deployed from Texas to Mississippi, reports Jeremy Scahill in his pathbreaking book, "Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army," published by Nation Books.)

Two U.S. military helicopters spent a few days plucking 110 people from the roofs of their flooded houses. We saw them on T.V. and cheered. When they returned to base they were called into the commander's office. They thought they were going to be given medals. Instead, as reported in the NY Times, their commanding officers reprimanded them and removed them from helicopter duty for "violating orders."

Who gave the order not to rescue people? No one has answered that question.

For more than two weeks, hundreds of volunteer doctors and fire personnel -- including a squad from New York City -- were denied entry to New Orleans. They were dispatched, instead, to provide backdrop for Bush's photo-ops in other areas. The medical personnel were kept twiddling their thumbs as people were dying.

Who gave the order not to allow rescue workers into New Orleans? No one has answered that question.

In an interview with WWL-TV, Mayor Ray Nagin complained vociferously that Louisiana National Guard Blackhawk helicopters were being stopped from dropping sandbags to plug the levees soon after the breech. No repairs were allowed on the levees until long after the poor areas of New Orleans were totally flooded.

Who gave the order not to allow National Guard helicopters to drop sandbags to plug the levees soon after the breech? No one has answered that question.

Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez and Cuba's President Fidel Castro offered millions of dollars and hundreds of doctors to help save lives in New Orleans. They were turned down.

Who gave the order to turn down the aid offered from Venezuela and Cuba? No one has answered that question.

Millions of concerned citizens wanted to send assistance as well. FEMA recommended that they send contributions to "Operation Blessing," a front group for rightwing evangelist Pat Robertson. Robertson had recently televised a speech calling for the assassination of Venezuela's president Hugo Chavez.

Who gave the order to divert tens of millions of dollars in contributions sent to help the people of New Orleans by outraged American citizens, to rightwing Christian zealots? No one has yet answered that question.

--------------------------------------------- The Saudization of New Orleans ---------------------------------------------

Les Evenchick is an independent Green activist who lives in the French Quarter of New Orleans in a 3-story walkup. He points out that people were told to go to the bus depot to evacuate, but the bus station had closed down the night before. Unless you owned a car, Les told me, FEMA and state police would not let you leave.

Hundreds attempted to walk out of New Orleans; they were forced off the road and ordered back to the Coliseum or Superdome, where no water or food was available.

As a consequence the vast majority of the so-called looters were simply grabbing water, food, diapers and medicine. "It's only because of them that old people, sick people, and small children were able to survive," Les says. "The 'anti-looting' hype was just an excuse to militarize the area, place it under martial law and evict the population, mostly Black people, mostly the poor."

On August 30, Yahoo front-page news showed two pictures of people wading in water carrying supplies. The caption under the picture of the Black person read: "A young man walks through chest-deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans." The caption under the picture of a White couple wading through the water pulling supplies reads: "Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store." Got that? Whites "find," Blacks "loot."

MSNBC interviewed dozens of people who had managed to get out during the first few days. Every single one of them was white.

Some tourists trapped in the Monteleone Hotel pooled their funds and paid $25,000 for 10 buses to get them out. The buses were sent (there was no shortage of available buses -- why didn't the government use them?) but the military confiscated all ten of them for its own use. The tourists were not allowed to leave the city and were ordered to the Convention Center.

How simple it would have been for the government to have provided buses before the hurricane hit, and throughout the week. AMTRAK says it offered free rides out of town but that City officials never got back to them to finalize arrangements. Evacuating the 100,000 people trapped in the city should not have been that difficult. Even without AMTRAK or private cars, it would have taken at most 3,000 buses to get them out, fewer than come into Washington D.C. for some of the giant anti-war demonstrations. Even at $2,500 a pop -- highway robbery -- that would only be a total of $7.5 million for transporting out of harm's way all of those who did not have the means to leave.

The people who are poor (primarily Blacks but many poor Whites as well) who were trapped in the city as well as those thousands who were refusing to evacuate, not wanting to leave their pets or their homes and who had neither money nor places to go, were locked in the Superdome and not allowed to leave -- five days of hell. Those who survived the first dome were then -- finally! -- bussed out of the area to another stadium, the AstroDome in Houston. Call them "People of the Dome."

--------------------------------------------- The Grassroots Organizes Itself ---------------------------------------------

Gulf Coast resident Latosha Brown reports that the first group to send emergency supplies was TOPS, The Ordinary Peoples Society, a prison ministry in Dothan Alabama founded and staffed by ex-offenders. They organized food, pooled their money for additional goods and brought the supplies to a second organization of former prisoners in Mobile who distributed them, while they went back to Dothan for more. "That's why we tell everybody now that it was felons who were the first to feed, the first to respond to need, the first to get up and do something. They didn't wait for permission or for a contract. That's real leadership." ("Rescue Came from the Grassroots: The People, Not FEMA, Saved Themselves," by Bruce Dixon, in The Black Commentator.)

Volunteer medics established free clinics with the Common Ground Collective:­ www.commongroundrelief.org in defiance of governmental edicts and machine guns. Common Ground has also mobilized thousands of young people from all over the country to come to New Orleans and help with the rebuilding, while using non-toxic alternative methods of mold removal and prevention in their efforts. Others, working in solidarity with tribal leaders, have created a dedicated relief effort for Native American communities: www.intuitivepath.org/relief.html. Food Not Bombs volunteers have been feeding people all over the region, with no help from the government or the Red Cross: www.foodnotbombs.net/ dollar_for_peace.html.

On the other hand, from Day One huge war profiteering corporations such as Halliburton, Bechtel and other private contractors began descending on the region, their pockets stuffed with billions of dollars in government handouts. Currently, thousands of poor homeowners and rental tenants -- including those unable to return to New Orleans just yet, having been evacuated to the far away domes -- are being evicted, says Mike Howell, who is organizing tenants to resist eviction. The phony "reconstruction" of New Orleans begins with the and grab, and with Mayor Nagin proposing gambling casinos, which he says would "rescue" the city, while destroying the remaining wetlands -- wetlands are nature's way of protecting large areas from floods(!); their destruction prior to Katrina contributed to the devastation of New Orleans and the Mississipi Delta -- and spraying massive amounts of cancer-causing pesticides over the entire flooded areas.

Should I say more............................

[TPSprayduster]

Nope I disagree. Your actually saying that those two former seals (who were GOVT CIA ) were no longer brothers in arms with other seals. So they did not deserve to be rescued. I`m thinking your talking smack TP .

No smack, trying to make sense. The way the article was written we had a seal team in Benghazi. So when former spec ops personnel are killed when contracting after serving their country that is a personal matter. Not Govt CIA they were part of the Diplomatic Security Corps NOT CIA, got to get the lingo correct. If that were the case they just did not come running up to help the ambassador that was their job to protect him. So what you are saying that all Dept of State personnel work for the CIA wrong answer sir. Diplomatic service and deployed in harms way are too different animals. If you are deployed in harms way your have on call support to pull you out. If they thought they needed to be evacuated, then the marines would have started moving that way with a MEU SOC to pull them out. If the Ambassador asked to be pulled out you come out. The RSO can make suggestions but the Ambassador makes the final call. Some us have worked with and inside the DOS and know a little bit more than most. We don't have to relay on speculator to know that is going on.

Thanks

That's so sad! here's another President who allowed thousands to suffer and hundreds to die here in America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Government Denied Water to New Orleans Residents During Katrina, Relief Workers Say

People of the Dome

By Mitchel Cohen

nospray.org

"I'm sick to death of hearing things from uptight narrow-minded pigheaded politicians. All I want is the truth. Just give me some truth." - John Lennon

AS HURRICANE KATRINA RAVAGED THE GULF STATES, many organizations kicked into high gear to send relief to local groups in Mississippi and Louisiana, with no help from the government or formal relief agencies. Among them was the Malcolm X Grassroots movement, with whom the No Spray Coalition shared an office. Tons of donated supplies poured into the office and were trucked to Jackson Mississippi, where they were distributed through community-based efforts.

I spoke daily with Les Evenchick, a Green who lives in the French Quarter of New Orleans. I was also in touch with New Orleans residents Malik Rahim and Mike Howell; the areas in which they live were dry and they were holding out as long as they could. The story they tell is shocking: U.S. and local government officials ordered the local drinking water turned off and refused to allow water or food relief into New Orleans. Hundreds of people died unnecessarily as a result.

And yet, there was no shortage of water or food being sent -- it was just not allowed into the City! When Green Party activists tried to donate a large amount of water for the people in the SuperDome a few days after the levees broke, armed soldiers pointed rifles at them and prevented them from delivering supplies. Even three Wal-mart trucks loaded with drinking water were denied entry and turned away. No water was allowed into New Orleans. Evenchick says that "this was a brazen attempt to starve people out."

There was no health reason to turn off the drinking water at the time, as the water is drawn into a separate system from the Mississippi River, not the polluted lake, and filtered through self-powered purification plants separate from the main electric grid. If necessary, people could have boiled their water -- strangely, the municipal natural gas used in stoves was still functioning properly as of Thursday night of that first week! I emailed Governor Kathleen Blanco (a Democrat) asking, "Who ordered the turn-off of the drinking water?" I have not received a response from Gov. Blanco.

A commanding officer of a police squad complained that his 120 cops were provided with only 70 small bottles of water. Hospitals were supplied with nothing. Could FEMA, Homeland Security and local officials have forgotten to store bottles of drinking water in the Superdome, Convention Center and hospitals?

The only FEMA official on the scene in the early stages, Marty Bahamonde, has testified to Congress that he begged FEMA director Michael Brown for water, food, toilet paper and oxygen, saying that "many will die within hours." Brown's press secretary, Sharon Worthy, responded that the FEMA director needed more time to eat dinner at a Baton Rouge restaurant that evening. "He needs much more that [sic] 20 or 30 minutes," Worthy wrote. "Restaurants are getting busy," she said. "We now have traffic to encounter to go to and from a location of his choise [sic], followed by wait service from the restaurant staff, eating, etc." Let them eat gumbo.

Green activist and former Black Panther Malik Rahim, who lives in the Algiers section -- which, like the French Quarter and several other areas above sea-level, remained dry -- points out that the government could have and should have provided water and food to residents of New Orleans but did not do so intentionally, to force people to evacuate by starving them out. This is a crime of the gravest sort.

French Quarter resident Mike Howell adds that the capability had been there from the start to drive water and food right up to the convention center, as those roads were clear. "It's how the National Guard drove into the city," he said.

The evidence is overwhelming that the government intentionally did not allow food or water into New Orleans.

These were the people, after all, who had twice voted in huge numbers against the candidacy of George Bush, the only area in the state to have done so. In recent years they also

- fought off attempts to privatize the drinking water supply,

- battled Shell Oil's attempt to build a Liquified Natural Gas facility, and

- tried to prevent the teardown of public housing

These were all battles in which Mayor Ray Nagin sided with the oil companies and millionaire developers. Nagin had contributed funds to George W. Bush's presidential campaign and was a registered Republican until just prior to the Mayoral election in 2002.

Attempts to starve civilians into leaving an area is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions. Who gave the order to block water and food from entering New Orleans? Who ordered the drinking water inside the city to be turned off? No one has yet answered those questions.

On Thursday of that first week, volunteers who had rescued over 1,000 people in boats were ordered to stop, under the pretext that it was too dangerous. The volunteers wanted to continue rescue operations. They said there was little risk, that desperate people had been welcoming them with open arms. The military "convinced" the volunteer rescuers at gunpoint to "cease and desist." They did the same to a state senator who had led a flotilla of hundreds of boats and rafts all the way from Mississippi to rescue people.

Who gave the order to block the volunteer rescue teams in New Orleans? No one has yet answered that question.

Officials claimed that people were trying to shoot down the rescue helicopters. In actuality, there were a couple of people shooting into the air to signal helicopters to pick them up. Yet officials repeated the lies about people shooting at helicopters over and over, as justification for shutting down voluntary rescue operations and sending in thousands of fully armed military troops, along with private Blackwater mercenaries fresh from Iraq under orders to "shoot to kill."

(Blackwater, Inc. billed the federal government $950 per man, per day -- at one point raking in more than $240,000 a day. At its peak the company had about 600 contractors deployed from Texas to Mississippi, reports Jeremy Scahill in his pathbreaking book, "Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army," published by Nation Books.)

Two U.S. military helicopters spent a few days plucking 110 people from the roofs of their flooded houses. We saw them on T.V. and cheered. When they returned to base they were called into the commander's office. They thought they were going to be given medals. Instead, as reported in the NY Times, their commanding officers reprimanded them and removed them from helicopter duty for "violating orders."

Who gave the order not to rescue people? No one has answered that question.

For more than two weeks, hundreds of volunteer doctors and fire personnel -- including a squad from New York City -- were denied entry to New Orleans. They were dispatched, instead, to provide backdrop for Bush's photo-ops in other areas. The medical personnel were kept twiddling their thumbs as people were dying.

Who gave the order not to allow rescue workers into New Orleans? No one has answered that question.

In an interview with WWL-TV, Mayor Ray Nagin complained vociferously that Louisiana National Guard Blackhawk helicopters were being stopped from dropping sandbags to plug the levees soon after the breech. No repairs were allowed on the levees until long after the poor areas of New Orleans were totally flooded.

Who gave the order not to allow National Guard helicopters to drop sandbags to plug the levees soon after the breech? No one has answered that question.

Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez and Cuba's President Fidel Castro offered millions of dollars and hundreds of doctors to help save lives in New Orleans. They were turned down.

Who gave the order to turn down the aid offered from Venezuela and Cuba? No one has answered that question.

Millions of concerned citizens wanted to send assistance as well. FEMA recommended that they send contributions to "Operation Blessing," a front group for rightwing evangelist Pat Robertson. Robertson had recently televised a speech calling for the assassination of Venezuela's president Hugo Chavez.

Who gave the order to divert tens of millions of dollars in contributions sent to help the people of New Orleans by outraged American citizens, to rightwing Christian zealots? No one has yet answered that question.

--------------------------------------------- The Saudization of New Orleans ---------------------------------------------

Les Evenchick is an independent Green activist who lives in the French Quarter of New Orleans in a 3-story walkup. He points out that people were told to go to the bus depot to evacuate, but the bus station had closed down the night before. Unless you owned a car, Les told me, FEMA and state police would not let you leave.

Hundreds attempted to walk out of New Orleans; they were forced off the road and ordered back to the Coliseum or Superdome, where no water or food was available.

As a consequence the vast majority of the so-called looters were simply grabbing water, food, diapers and medicine. "It's only because of them that old people, sick people, and small children were able to survive," Les says. "The 'anti-looting' hype was just an excuse to militarize the area, place it under martial law and evict the population, mostly Black people, mostly the poor."

On August 30, Yahoo front-page news showed two pictures of people wading in water carrying supplies. The caption under the picture of the Black person read: "A young man walks through chest-deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans." The caption under the picture of a White couple wading through the water pulling supplies reads: "Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store." Got that? Whites "find," Blacks "loot."

MSNBC interviewed dozens of people who had managed to get out during the first few days. Every single one of them was white.

Some tourists trapped in the Monteleone Hotel pooled their funds and paid $25,000 for 10 buses to get them out. The buses were sent (there was no shortage of available buses -- why didn't the government use them?) but the military confiscated all ten of them for its own use. The tourists were not allowed to leave the city and were ordered to the Convention Center.

How simple it would have been for the government to have provided buses before the hurricane hit, and throughout the week. AMTRAK says it offered free rides out of town but that City officials never got back to them to finalize arrangements. Evacuating the 100,000 people trapped in the city should not have been that difficult. Even without AMTRAK or private cars, it would have taken at most 3,000 buses to get them out, fewer than come into Washington D.C. for some of the giant anti-war demonstrations. Even at $2,500 a pop -- highway robbery -- that would only be a total of $7.5 million for transporting out of harm's way all of those who did not have the means to leave.

The people who are poor (primarily Blacks but many poor Whites as well) who were trapped in the city as well as those thousands who were refusing to evacuate, not wanting to leave their pets or their homes and who had neither money nor places to go, were locked in the Superdome and not allowed to leave -- five days of hell. Those who survived the first dome were then -- finally! -- bussed out of the area to another stadium, the AstroDome in Houston. Call them "People of the Dome."

--------------------------------------------- The Grassroots Organizes Itself ---------------------------------------------

Gulf Coast resident Latosha Brown reports that the first group to send emergency supplies was TOPS, The Ordinary Peoples Society, a prison ministry in Dothan Alabama founded and staffed by ex-offenders. They organized food, pooled their money for additional goods and brought the supplies to a second organization of former prisoners in Mobile who distributed them, while they went back to Dothan for more. "That's why we tell everybody now that it was felons who were the first to feed, the first to respond to need, the first to get up and do something. They didn't wait for permission or for a contract. That's real leadership." ("Rescue Came from the Grassroots: The People, Not FEMA, Saved Themselves," by Bruce Dixon, in The Black Commentator.)

Volunteer medics established free clinics with the Common Ground Collective:­ www.commongroundrelief.org in defiance of governmental edicts and machine guns. Common Ground has also mobilized thousands of young people from all over the country to come to New Orleans and help with the rebuilding, while using non-toxic alternative methods of mold removal and prevention in their efforts. Others, working in solidarity with tribal leaders, have created a dedicated relief effort for Native American communities: www.intuitivepath.org/relief.html. Food Not Bombs volunteers have been feeding people all over the region, with no help from the government or the Red Cross: www.foodnotbombs.net/ dollar_for_peace.html.

On the other hand, from Day One huge war profiteering corporations such as Halliburton, Bechtel and other private contractors began descending on the region, their pockets stuffed with billions of dollars in government handouts. Currently, thousands of poor homeowners and rental tenants -- including those unable to return to New Orleans just yet, having been evacuated to the far away domes -- are being evicted, says Mike Howell, who is organizing tenants to resist eviction. The phony "reconstruction" of New Orleans begins with the and grab, and with Mayor Nagin proposing gambling casinos, which he says would "rescue" the city, while destroying the remaining wetlands -- wetlands are nature's way of protecting large areas from floods(!); their destruction prior to Katrina contributed to the devastation of New Orleans and the Mississipi Delta -- and spraying massive amounts of cancer-causing pesticides over the entire flooded areas.

Should I say more............................

i gave you a negative,

[dog53]

No smack, trying to make sense. The way the article was written we had a seal team in Benghazi. So when former spec ops personnel are killed when contracting after serving their country that is a personal matter. Not Govt CIA they were part of the Diplomatic Security Corps NOT CIA, got to get the lingo correct. If that were the case they just did not come running up to help the ambassador that was their job to protect him. So what you are saying that all Dept of State personnel work for the CIA wrong answer sir. Diplomatic service and deployed in harms way are too different animals. If you are deployed in harms way your have on call support to pull you out. If they thought they needed to be evacuated, then the marines would have started moving that way with a MEU SOC to pull them out. If the Ambassador asked to be pulled out you come out. The RSO can make suggestions but the Ambassador makes the final call. Some us have worked with and inside the DOS and know a little bit more than most. We don't have to relay on speculator to know that is going on.

Thanks

TP Check your facts. Woods was CIA

Edited November 1, 2012 by dog53

[Showtime2012]

No smack, trying to make sense. The way the article was written we had a seal team in Benghazi. So when former spec ops personnel are killed when contracting after serving their country that is a personal matter. Not Govt CIA they were part of the Diplomatic Security Corps NOT CIA, got to get the lingo correct. If that were the case they just did not come running up to help the ambassador that was their job to protect him. So what you are saying that all Dept of State personnel work for the CIA wrong answer sir. Diplomatic service and deployed in harms way are too different animals. If you are deployed in harms way your have on call support to pull you out. If they thought they needed to be evacuated, then the marines would have started moving that way with a MEU SOC to pull them out. If the Ambassador asked to be pulled out you come out. The RSO can make suggestions but the Ambassador makes the final call. Some us have worked with and inside the DOS and know a little bit more than most. We don't have to relay on speculator to know that is going on.

Thanks

i gave you a negative,

i don't care,

[TPSprayduster]

Let me contact my sources in DC

Thanks

[simple]

Simple what fuels you to ignore facts. And why are you stuck on stupid about the seals calling Obama for help. Can't you see the point they are making? We all know the seals didn't personally call Obama but help was certainly requested and denied.

That's simply not American. Americans rush to the aid of people all around the world because we are exceptional. When our own heros call for help you better damn well see that help executed with expediency.

We all despise the new version of America that the current administration and cohorts are attempting to force on us. They are slippery little politicians greedy for any money or power they can squeeze from "us" and none of us wants or needs to have to count on them for anything other than what our constitution allows.

Or do you need to find ways to dispute something that isn't Obama administration approved propoganda? ? Must be a genetic disposition or something

Two or three seals were on a different task in the area and rushed to aid the ambassador and others (defying orders to stand down by the way) and in the process saved many lives by giving their own. How do you not know this? What news sources do you need to go yell at for keeping you in the dark?

D, --- First, Read why I made that simple comment to Timberwolf. Read the sentence I highlighted to Timberwolf!!!!

Secondly, I'll wait on a news source to report from our (The US's) administration. That's the reasonable thing to do. Anything else will someday be irrelevant.

[simple]

Nope I disagree. Your actually saying that those two former seals (who were GOVT CIA ) were no longer brothers in arms with other seals. So they did not deserve to be rescued. I`m thinking your talking smack TP .

Real quick, Either Woods was, or no longer was, a member of a Navy Team. Perhaps a member of the CIA as suggested.

If Woods asked for permission to go in and he was told to stand down, he disobeyed orders.

If he did not ask for permission to go, and was not given orders to go in, but acted on his on cognizance, he was KIA.

Let the investigation report be completed.

The military can't risk other troops if they are not clear of the battle. Woods appeared to be a hero in trying to save people in the CIA annex. A hero... Let it be and let the investigation report be completed.

[cranster]

are these clowns so steeped in their own political bias that they are unable to see that whatever they try to suppress is an automatic ticket to viral attention, especially when it comes to those who defend us. No one gets away with anything these days, the whole world knows immediately. All they do is make people really angry when they try to pull this crap. When they realize they've thoroughly p*ssed everyone off, and brought far more attention to what they are trying to suppress than if they left it alone, they then try to undo the damage they created. We all know what's going on almost immediately, and if anyone should understand this it should be facebook. Same goes for the lame stream media trying to suppress benghazi. We know and we are going to vote based on what we know.

[stonewall67]

Because they were not their, those former Seals were security that worked for the Dept of State. 1-3 seals would never deploy in that fashion. Not yelling in the dark just not going to following along with a story someone spun up. Which Seal Team were they from? When they shot down that helo with those seal members on board it was broadcast world wide, some even said they were shot down to keep them quite. So i am waiting for which team this 3 seals were from 4 people were killed in benghazi and those were were Seals were former seals not on a mission but working for the State Department. When you work for the diplomatic corps you are sent into a crappy situation to promoted the US policies. Did we send the calvary when they overran the consulate in Lahore Pakistan? Nope, when you are diplomat it is understood that you can lose your life. Now making politics with the deaths of personnel and which i think the father of the ambassador blasted the media for using his son as cannon fodder. So Del if you were there then you know if not then you cannot speculate. I don't follow breibart, is this the same outlet that put out that earth shattering obama story that was a dud. Stop using other deaths to get away from the real message of no jobs, out of control debt.

I never said they were part of a seal team or even that they were active seals! I clearly stated that once a seal always a seal!!! But even if they were just contractors working for the state department THEY WERE STILL AMERICANS!!!!!!! Nuff said!!!!!