October Surprise Fail

[DiveDeepSix]

Sorry to stay off topic Cris, but for once Simple had something that was close to a legit point.

Back to the subject of your story, Hillarious needs to throw the POTUS under the bus like Bill is telling her too. It's his baby he needs to take responsibility for it, arrogant POS!!

Great post by the way!

Thats 2 min and 43 sec Maggie

Well, have a good night

:lmao:

[simple]

oh the republicans insisted on the cuts to a democrat house and filibuster proof senate so harry reid and nancy pelosi say ..oh ok ..what about when the democrats wenbt behind closed doors to rape america with their facist health care bill and the republicans insisted on transparency .. did pelosi and reid go hold obama hostage then too ?

stop your lying .. im not some college kid who doesnt know any better

Go to dinner and all hell breaks loose.

We had a decent conversation going on without calling anyone a liar. Un-call for dontlop. Read the news from that time, Reps were about to take over in January so some how they agreed on renewing the tax cuts. Read the news don't take my word for it, dammm. Or give me a link with your version.

Simple - I understand why you would want to distract and deflect from the original post with all this crap about tax cuts and women's reproductive rights issues. Concerning Benghazi, your Precious One is being accused of being inept at best, a pathological liar perhaps, and possibly evil and corrupt to the core. Defend that....if you can... I'm all ears!

Snots, all threads bounce around... this wasn't my initiation.

Admissions from your own...

“I think that the responsibility that the Democrats had may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress, or by me when I was President, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.” – Former President Bill Clinton (D-AR), September 25, 2008

“Like a lot of my Democratic colleagues I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie and Freddie. I defended their efforts to encourage affordable homeownership when in retrospect I should have heeded the concerns raised by their regulator in 2004. Frankly, I wish my Democratic colleagues would admit when it comes to Fannie and Freddie, we were wrong.” – Congressman Artur Davis (D-AL) , September 30, 2008

Need I say more? End of my comments on this. This tread has been hijacked enough. Have a good one, Simple.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't write those explanations for the recession. Came along with recession information!!!

Edited October 27, 2012 by simple

[cris]

Sorry to stay off topic Cris, but for once Simple had something that was close to a legit point.

Back to the subject of your story, Hillarious needs to throw the POTUS under the bus like Bill is telling her too. It's his baby he needs to take responsibility for it, arrogant POS!!

Great post by the way!

:lmao:

No problem buddy.....The back & forth has kept this post at the top all day

That just means a lot more people are seeing the news....Now Hilllary is saying

she's getting out of the diplomacy business (as if she ever belonged there) just

another clueless appointee......And now Gen. Petraeus is throwing O'blah under

the wheels....Thump, thump.....Im enjoying this

[simple]

You are close simple but it was actually January of 2007 and here is why:

The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.

The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress.

At the time:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77

The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%

The Unemployment rate was 4.6%

George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH!

Remember the day...

January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?

Information provided by National Bureau of Economic Research. That's solid information!

Dec 2007 – June 2009 1 year, 6 months

[DiveDeepSix]

No problem buddy.....The back & forth has kept this post at the top all day

That just means a lot more people are seeing the news....Now Hilllary is saying

she's getting out of the diplomacy business (as if she ever belonged there) just

another clueless appointee......And now Gen. Petraeus is throwing O'blah under

the wheels....Thump, thump.....Im enjoying this

You are right bud she doesn't belong there, and we've all known she has despised O since he beat her out 4 years ago, I really hope she comes forward and hammers him. She would go down as the ruination of the Dems but would be doing this country a huge favor by getting O out of there. Typical lib though I would be shocked to see her or any of them do anything for the good of this country that didn't fit in to their own warped little agendas.

Information provided by National Bureau of Economic Research. That's solid information!

Dec 2007 – June 2009 1 year, 6 months

Crap, I never thought it would happen but I had to give you a plus! :lol:

[simple]

You are right bud she doesn't belong there, and we've all known she has despised O since he beat her out 4 years ago, I really hope she comes forward and hammers him. She would go down as the ruination of the Dems but would be doing this country a huge favor by getting O out of there. Typical lib though I would be shocked to see her or any of them do anything for the good of this country that didn't fit in to their own warped little agendas.

Crap, I never thought it would happen but I had to give you a plus! :lol:

So you think the 110th Congress created the recession 12 months on the job?

You think some sort of policy was voted on in 2007 and created a financial meltdown?

You believe something was created in 2007 and brought on the housing crash?

If you believe all of these things took place you been had.

I'm not going to deny the recession took place under Bush and carried over to June 2009, into Obama administration. Things were so bad the reps will not even mention his name. CRAZY they only talk about recovering from the past 4 years; how about 6 to 10 years! Bush didn't exist?

[DiveDeepSix]

So you think the 110th Congress created the recession 12 months on the job?

You think some sort of policy was voted on in 2007 and created a financial meltdown?

You believe something was created in 2007 and brought on the housing crash?

If you believe all of these things took place you been had.

I'm not going to deny the recession took place under Bush and carried over to June 2009, into Obama administration. Things were so bad the reps will not even mention his name. CRAZY they only talk about recovering from the past 4 years; how about 6 to 10 years! Bush didn't exist?

OK, my bad, let me take the plus back. I should have never believed you would have gotten it, but it is MY fault, I should have stayed away from the big words and used more pictures and hand gestures so you would understand, you know keep it SIMPLE!! :lol: Go back and read it again it is SIMPLE simple.

See I can admit when something is my fault cuz I'm a Republ I CAN!!

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[simple]

OK, my bad, let me take the plus back. I should have never believed you would have gotten it, but it is MY fault, I should have stayed away from the big words and used more pictures and hand gestures so you would understand, you know keep it SIMPLE!! :lol: Go back and read it again it is SIMPLE simple.

See I can admit when something is my fault cuz I'm a Republ I CAN!!

Obviously I don't know when you're being sarcastic or serious.... guess that enough of this digression huh! My apologies +1.

[DiveDeepSix]

Obviously I don't know when you're being sarcastic or serious.... guess that enough of this digression huh! My apologies +1.

Almost always sarcastic, being to serious on a Friday night especially, will just give you ulcers! :lol: Later gang have a great weekend!! TGIF!!

[cris]

The intrepid starter of this thread and others are surely going to take me to task for this post. If only I cared about something besides seeking the truth. Matters like these are often far more sinister than most people are even capable of glimpsing.

I think the Obama administration is responsible for the cover-up, but I do not think they possess sufficient control to stage such an "attack," considering the date and time at which it occurred, as well as the tasteless "style" of the attack. I believe there are "others" for whom such attacks are a stock in trade, and that the Obama administration was caught flat-footed, expecting something, but not quite sure of what. Hence the cover-up for purposes of damage control.

The perpetrators care little as to whose reputation is damaged, because they themselves enjoy the cloak of secrecy.

The "attack" occurred on September 11, 2012, which is, of course, symbolic. If one notices the terminology used to describe the Benghazi compound, which has shifted from "embassy," which it was not, to "consulate," which it may have been, to "safe house," which it obviously was not, given the strange withdrawal of security for such an important facility, one has to ask, "What in the hell was Ambassador Chris Stevens doing there?"

It is my contention that Chris Stevens was perhaps abducted and brought to the Benghazi compound. Given the perceived specific necessity of a ritual blood sacrifice (by the secret societies, of course) on September 11, 2012 - the eleventh anniversary of September 11, 2001, beginning within the 9:00 pm time frame UTC/GMT. The New York City attacks began (8:46 am EST). I have not had time to check the positions of key stars (Sirius, the Belt of Orion, etc.) in the Libyan night sky for September 11, 2012, but suffice it to say that these astrological positions are as crucial to the "success" of such operations to the secret societies behind them as are dates, times, and locations.

Initially, the reports were than he had died of smoke inhalation. Later, it was reported that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed.

Sodomy, even of men with women, is anathema to the Muslim religion. Devout Muslims don't do this. But Israeli Mossad agents and police personnel do. The purpose of this act is to demoralize and emasculate Muslim men in the Israeli prison system. Sexual and other forms of trauma, designed to create split personalities in the victim, paving the way to mind control, is a key component of MK Ultra programming. Often, the victims are released after sufficient programming to do the controllers' bidding at appointed times.

In the case of Ambassador Stevens, I believe that we have a case of initiates performing upon him and act of sex magick. Aleister Crowley was alleged to have engaged in sex magick with members of either sex, and even children. Usually, the objective is to create the maximum amount of negative psychic energy from the sex act. To believers in sex magick, this is achieved by killing the victim at the precise moment the perpetrator reaches climax.

Yes, I know that it is a very uncomfortable scenario, but I truly believe that this is what we are observing here. The truth will out.

I wondered when the anti-semetic conspiracy people would arrive

Muslims always counter argue against the shock and horror in the West that their prophet was a pedophile and used to sodomize children. Due to many debates and disagreement on this issue, they made official that Mohammed did not actually consume his marriage to Aiysha when she was a 6 year old child until she was 9 years of age, supposedly making that better.

Furthermore, they often blame a 1400 practice on being ‘imported’ from abroad via video’s. Was there videos at the age of Mohammed? And why would an illegal practice be imported and touted as legal? And what is the explanation for all testimonials of sodomy through history in the Muslim world, including the claim in the Hadiths that Mohammed and his followers engaged in homosexual incest of little boys?

[simple]

Almost always sarcastic, being to serious on a Friday night especially, will just give you ulcers! :lol: Later gang have a great weekend!! TGIF!!

SAME HERE... I'm out!

[DiveDeepSix]

I wondered when the anti-semetic conspiracy people would arrive

Muslims always counter argue against the shock and horror in the West that their prophet was a pedophile and used to sodomize children. Due to many debates and disagreement on this issue, they made official that Mohammed did not actually consume his marriage to Aiysha when she was a 6 year old child until she was 9 years of age, supposedly making that better.

Furthermore, they often blame a 1400 practice on being ‘imported’ from abroad via video’s. Was there videos at the age of Mohammed? And why would an illegal practice be imported and touted as legal? And what is the explanation for all testimonials of sodomy through history in the Muslim world, including the claim in the Hadiths that Mohammed and his followers engaged in homosexual incest of little boys?

Hmmm, now I have to think again, I was under the understanding they just molested goats and camels? :lol:

[cris]

Hmmm, now I have to think again, I was under the understanding they just molested goats and camels? :lol:

From what I've read, they appear to be equal opportunity Sodomizers

[cris]

An "anti-Semite" is usually less a man who hates "Jews," than it is a man whom certain "Jews" hate. Joe Sobran said this.

You can deny all you want. But everyone knows your useless

childish patter....Im going to break my own rules and just say

Shut up

[DiveDeepSix]

You can deny all you want. But everyone knows your useless

childish patter....Im going to break my own rules and just say

Shut up

Don't waste your time bro, this is the same guy who says the Nazi's didn't have gas chambers and nukes have never existed. Also an insult to Gene Wilder, whom I liked as an actor!

[cris]

Don't waste your time bro, this is the same guy who says the Nazi's didn't have gas chambers and nukes have never existed. Also an insult to Gene Wilder, whom I liked as an actor!

I agree, what a waste of air.....Next we'll find out that Israelis

are responsible for earthquakes, global warming, solar flares.

Tsunamis, Oh wait.....I think he has already blamed them for those.

Maybe they are responsible for Hitler losing WWII.

He's a one trick pony

[DiveDeepSix]

According to the standard description, the "homicidal gas chambers" seem to be a rather rudimentary process, and Zyklon-B is still made in the Czech Republic. If the German National Socialists had homicidal gas chambers and used them to such successful effect, why has no other tin-horn dictator eliminated his "enemies" in like manner?

The same goes for nuclear weapons. If Hiroshima and Nagasaki were leveled by nuclear weapons, and not a conventional bombing run such as destroyed Dresden, Germany in February 1945, why have they disappeared from the world stage in terms of actual use as opposed to the idle "mine is bigger than yours" argument? I simply don't buy it.

Aside from politics, Gene Wilder was a tremendously entertaining actor. Why should my use of his image have any bearing? I'll change it if it offends you that much.

Actually your posts and writing patterns remind me a lot of Tiff aka Black Swan, but her avatar at least was a pic of her, (hot I might add to bad she's a true man hater) you know kinda like mine and Cris's , but hey in a world of pure imagination you can be who ever you want right?

I agree, what a waste of air.....Next we'll find out that Israelis

are responsible for earthquakes, global warming, solar flares.

Tsunamis, Oh wait.....I think he has already blamed them for those.

Maybe they are responsible for Hitler losing WWII.

He's a one trick pony

ROFL, I hadn't heard those yet! :lol:

[DiveDeepSix]

Cris' avatar pic looks like the Three Stooges, and, for the life of me, I can't tell which Stooge is him. If yours is a picture of you, well, then, little wonder your mom is your one and only best friend.

Funny, neither have I. By the way, Adolf Hitler was a Zionist, and the "Jews" got everything out of World War II that the German people were promised. That should put to bed any idea of yours about who really "won" and why.

Ahh yes here come the mom and stooge jokes from the self proclaimed master of the written word brought to you live from mommy and daddy's basement, dreaming of the good old days when 7th grade was the best 3 years of your life. Yes my mother is a friend of mine, just wondering why you are so afraid of your own picture and location? Not in the US would be my guess! Later sad little fella, but you keep living the dream now.

[cris]

Rush today....Speaking with a Retired Lieutenant Colonel.

Its pretty long, but worth it.

Are Some in the Chain of Command Still Haunted by Carter's Failed Rescue in 1979?

October 26, 2012

RUSH: Now to the phones since it's Open Line Friday. Doug in San Antonio. Great to have you on the program, sir. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Rush. Thanks. I wanted to speak to the question of when the president knew and why Secretary Panetta refused to support the CIA annex request either to move to the consulate or to reinforce. Within a few minutes of the consulate being under attack -- I'm a retired lieutenant colonel special operations planner for 15 years -- the personal security detail for the ambassador notified the communications room in Tripoli who then, on the top secret side, sent a message to the White House Situation Room that the ambassador was in peril, okay? And they did that by code word and it would have been within minutes of the attack commencing.

The White House Situation Room has a list of what's called Essential Elements of Friendly Information. That's the military's acronym for it, but they would have a similar thing, a critical information list. Certain things go right to the person that's standing next to the president, both military and civilian leadership. So he would have known within minutes or it's supposed to be informed within minutes because an ambassador is a four-star equivalent, very high, very important person, you know, represents the president and essentially is the president's -- you know, is the surrogate of the president in that country. So the White House cannot deny that the president knew immediately.

RUSH: They are. They are.

CALLER: Well, it's a bald-faced lie, you know. I'm giving you some inside baseball information --

RUSH: Look, I believe you. You're talking about watch desks. That tells me you know what you're talking about.

CALLER: Well, it's even a little more frustrating than that. So when that message, that code word goes out, flash traffic, that an ambassador is in peril, okay, the --

RUSH: We have heard this. In our parlance, the way we heard this, Doug, was essentially the panic button was hit. That's how this was explained to me the first time. Somebody who knew what they were talking about referenced this as a panic button essentially was hit, and that once that happens, everybody that receives it knows what's going on. There's no doubt about it. So that's pretty much true, right?

CALLER: Right. But it's even more detailed than that, Rush. What it means is when a code word goes out, there's standard operating procedures. The geographic combatant commander that's responsible for Libya would have been part of that message traffic, and his CINC's In-Extremis Force, which is, you know, a Special Forces unit --

RUSH: Okay, let me stop you there for another question, because what a lot of people have been told, the excuse that has been offered, in fact, from Condoleezza Rice on Greta Van Susteren a couple nights ago, the impression is, "Well, there's so much traffic coming in, there's so many e-mails, so many cables, so many memos, it would take somebody hours to sift through it." What you're telling me is that there are systems designed to penetrate all that in a real emergency?

CALLER: Well, there's three networks, Rush. The e-mails that have been released are unclassified e-mails. On the top secret side, a flash traffic message from the embassy Tripoli to the White House Situation Room, it's like an IM. I mean, it's immediately responded to. You have to acknowledge receipt of it. Okay? So it's immediate. It gets to the person, the watch officer sitting there, boom, flashes on his screen, he has to acknowledge receipt. And then there's a protocol for who he then sends it to. He physically turns to someone, the senior guy on watch, "This is a critical element of information. POTUS needs to hear this," and that's what would have happened.

So no one in the White House can deny that -- well, they can deny it, but the fact is the protocol says someone marched their happy little ass up to the senior guy standing next to POTUS and said, "Sir, ambassador in Libya is in peril." And if he was missing, that is even a higher precedence. And then the chain would have also gone out automatically to the geographic combatant commander, AFRICOM, and he would have then turned to his special operations commander and said, "I want the In-Extremis Force, you know, strip ready in five minutes." And evidently they were strip ready in Sigonella and they would have the assets to penetrate the airspace, you know, an MC-130 papa, which is a C-130 specially equipped with electronic countermeasures. They didn't need permission to enter Libyan airspace, okay?

I'm giving you a lot of Inside Baseball stuff, and maybe putting myself in a little peril by doing it, but the In-Extremis Force, they would have been chomping at the bit to do this. It was turned down, POTUS, at his five p.m. Eastern time meeting with the principals, that's when he put the kibosh on everything. It was a conscious act. It has to be because, you know, the In-Extremis Force is required to be prepared to do In-Extremis non-combatant evacuation operations for its geographic responsibility, the entire continent of Africa. So there's always somebody ready to go, and the aircraft are always prepared to go.

It's maddening to say that there was not intelligence. An intelligence guy is not a decision-maker. He's just some analyst dude that tells the decision-makers this is what we know. Well, the decision-makers who are so risk-averse now need perfect intelligence. They would have had to have, you know, in the calculus of this, to know that, whatever the attacking force was, if I put 15 or 50 or a hundred operators on the ground, you know, they'll have success. No one knows that. In soft planning, you plan to fail half the time.

RUSH: What about the story we've been told that not only was there so much traffic coming in that it was impossible to find the right stuff, which you've now explained, but they're also telling us that the president wasn't told for a while, and even now, as recently as today, they're saying that the three most recent e-mails -- it sounds like we're talking about -- flash traffic's not e-mails, right?

CALLER: Flash traffic is digital from station to station.

RUSH: Right. So they're misleading us left and right. They're trying to say, "Well, the president --" They will not explain. They will not tell us what happened to the three e-mails and why he didn't get them or why he wasn't told or when he knew or what. They're basically portraying the president as removed from all this.

CALLER: Well, the bottom line is a flash traffic saying that the ambassador is in peril, or, worse, missing, you know, the protocol is for someone to physically contact with a person in the chain that's supposed to determine what happens next. Now, I wasn't in the Oval Office so I can't --

RUSH: Let me ask you, the question came up yesterday that I couldn't answer, and I need to ask you, just from what you're saying. This is unreal, but let's assume they can't find POTUS, let's assume he's just not engaged. Who has trigger authority on a response to something like that? I mean, you say we don't need permission to send a C-130 in there to disrupt. Who orders it in there, in a situation like this? Who has the authority to order the C-130s wherever they are, Italy, wherever they are, to take action? If you can't find the president -- is the president the only guy that can give that order?

CALLER: No, sir. Okay? Basically in the absence of permissions, okay, you have standing orders. And one of the standing orders to geographic combatant commander is to observe life of American citizens --

RUSH: Exactly. Precisely.

CALLER: And he's a four-star, you know, he's in Germany. AFRICOM headquarters is in Germany, and their op-center would have been monitoring this in real time, 'cause it's part of their geographic responsibility. And they would have been going through the different permutations of courses of action of who can get there the quickest. Now, in their geographic area they have Combined Joint Task Force, Horn of Africa, which is in Djibouti. I served there when it was the Joint Special Operations Task Force Crisis Response Element, and we have responsibility for all of CENTCOM and AFRICOM in Africa because at the time there was no AFRICOM. And we had the capacity to get from where we were in Djibouti to Benghazi in about three hours, four hours, depending on what we wanted to take. Now, if we wanted to go in there with a lot of operators, and at the time we had about a hundred operators, it would have taken us probably five hours.

RUSH: Okay, Doug, you're sitting out here, you obviously are intimately familiar with all this. So what's going through your mind, A, in real time when you hear about this, and then in subsequent days when you hear the excuses or explanations that have been offered for why no action was taken? I mean, I may be putting you on spot and you can't share that with us, but I gotta ask you.

CALLER: It stems from Desert One, Rush, it stems from the failure of Desert One during the Iranian hostage rescue. And what commander wants to repeat that, you know. Now, at the lieutenant colonel level, at the colonel level of the In-Extremis Force of all these different headquarters, State Department, everybody was saying, "Let's go! Let's get boots on the ground and kick these people's asses and get our people." But who makes those decisions? It's POTUS, V POTUS, State, and Def. And they had a five o'clock Eastern time meeting, and they said no. You know, we're willing to have the consulate overruled and the embassy overrun -- (phone connection goes bad)

RUSH: The fact that they're afraid of replicating Carter's boondoggle, that's not gonna fly with a lot of people.

CALLER: Well, sir, I hate to break it to you, but the people that are-four-stars right now, okay, were young officers, and they saw what happened to the leadership, okay? I'm not saying on the Special Ops side. You know, Special Ops guys --

RUSH: But I mean there are alternate explanations. There are political campaign explanations that people have conjured up to explain why Obama would not want any military activity taking place there in order to make sure that an image is created for his campaign: We're defeating Al-Qaeda. They're on the run. We got bin Laden.

CALLER: All those memes, you know, are probably in play, but mostly it's just incompetence and not understanding the principal of you don't leave anybody behind, okay?

RUSH: Doug, look, I know you've stuck your neck out here and you obviously know your stuff intimately well and I really appreciate your call. It's fabulous to get your input and knowledge on this. Somewhere, somebody refused to make a gutsy call.

RUSH: Doug in San Antonio, Texas, kind of blows Leon Panetta out of the water, and Leon Panetta, we had a sound bite earlier, he said, "Well, we didn't have enough intel. We didn't know enough going on." My guess is that we knew everything, we knew it all. That's what he was basically telling us. We probably had those C-130s -- and we talked about these yesterday, these C-130 Hercules equipped to go in and disperse crowds, buzz low, disperse crowds. They're an hour away in Italy. It's a seven-hour operation. They probably are able to get the video feed in the cockpit knowing what's going on.

We are United States of America. We are the world's lone remaining military superpower. All of these things that we're being told we're not capable of doing, we didn't have the right intel, none of that is true. We're the United States of America. We have capability beyond that which anybody can conceive, a civilian, anyway. It's why it's kept secret. And the story that has been used to explain this is -- they've willingly said that they're incompetent. They've not used the word. They've willingly said that we're inept. "Well, there were so many e-mails coming in." We find out that there's a special code, flash traffic, it's got top secret code words, you get one of those, it flies to the top, response is required. It has to be walked up to the next person in command. Of course there are procedures like this in place.

It isn't like you sitting at your computer being inundated with e-mails at five in the afternoon or IMs and not knowing what to do. There are systems here, and they worked. They were in place. This was somebody who refused to make a gutsy call. This is why the families are upset. They find out what's going on, because they know the role of the president is to defend and protect the people who are in harm's way in this country, and that did not happen here. You heard him say that there's a lingering fear that's resulted in a defensive posture over the failed Carter effort in the deserts of Iran in 1979 to get the hostages out then, even though there have been many successful missions since. But if you doubt that, as some of you might have been hearing him, "Wait a minute, there really --" Remember, now, there are two kinds of generals.

There are warrior generals and there are politically correct corporate climb-the-ladder generals and admirals and what have you. And if you find this hard to believe, "Well, I do, Rush, because it's the military." The military is politicized just like anything. Remember the GOP. What is the primary reason the Republican Party is afraid of a conservative presidential nominee? Barry Goldwater's landslide defeat. It's what informs them to this day. They can't get over that. They don't see the Reagan landslides of '80 and '84. They see Goldwater '64. There are plenty of establishment types that do. So what Doug was telling us here is you got enough people in the chain of command who still have lingering fears over the debacle of Jimmy Carter's rescue attempt in 1979. That sounds hard to believe, but believe me, this guy knew what he was talking about. There can be no doubt about that.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Somewhere in North Carolina. This is John. Thank you for waiting, sir. Great to have you with us, sir.

CALLER: Hi, Rush. How you doing?

RUSH: Very well. Thank you.

CALLER: It's an honor to speak with you. I can't tell how long I've been listening. I just wanted to call and tell you that I don't understand how anybody in the military could support this administration. I currently just got back from Afghanistan, and if I'd-a known what I know now before I left I'd be nervous out of my wits, to know that if I go out on a convoy and I get stranded, that nobody's coming for me. It's just unreal.

RUSH: That's how you take this, huh?

CALLER: That's exactly how I take it. I don't see how anybody else could --

RUSH: Let's put ourselves in the place of these two Navy SEALs. They're at the CIA annex. They see what's going on at the embassy, the consulate. They see that there's no retaliation, nobody's doing anything about it. They know that everybody in Washington knows, and they ask for permission, they ask for some sort of response, and they ask for permission to go help, and they're denied three times.

CALLER: Correct.

RUSH: And they went anyway. Now, my contention -- you tell me. You sound like you're uniformed military, right?

CALLER: Roger that.

RUSH: I think these guys, these two SEALs, they had to know they were going in with no support and no cover. They had to think their odds were not good.

CALLER: Right. And the worst part is if they'd-a made it out alive, they'd have been probably court-martialed for violating a direct order.

RUSH: Yeah, even if they survived, they're looking at charges of disobeying orders. But my point is that they went in there knowing their odds were long.

CALLER: Oh, right, yeah.

RUSH: Every military person's worst nightmare in the military is being left behind.

CALLER: Oh, it's a pattern of disrespect toward the military from this administration. I mean, we were threatened, what, a year or two ago that we weren't gonna get paid because they couldn't pass a budget. We've had the lowest raise in a couple decades that we've ever seen and now it's every man for himself. I mean, it's just unreal.

RUSH: Well, I think a lot of people understand that now. I appreciate your call. Thanks very much. Let me try to illustrate this with a picture. Do you all remember the picture of Obama and everybody in the Situation Room while the operation to kill bin Laden was going on? Remember the picture that they put out, you had Obama in there in his golf shirt with his official "I'm president" jacket and you had the military people, and I think Hillarious was in there. Well, that was The Situation Room. And in this Benghazi consulate situation, something very much like that would have been going on during this attack. This is a seven hour attack on American property. It's 9/11.

Something like that -- when I say "would" have been going on, under normal circumstances. The odds are that meeting wasn't convened. My point is, that did not take place. Now, Panetta says -- we played the audio sound bite earlier -- (paraphrasing) "Well, we didn't have enough intel to really feel confident in committing forces." You had two Navy SEALs on the ground. You had two Navy SEALs on site. They left the CIA annex. They were in defiance of orders. I mean, they'd been told to stand down. They had been told after three requests not to go, and they went anyway. Charles Woods is one of their fathers, and it's he who has been on the radio recently explaining how all this affected him and his wife. The intel clearly could have been provided by these two guys. Maybe Panetta didn't know they were there. Maybe they didn't tell anybody they were going since they were in violation of orders, whatever. It's just unbelievable, unacceptable at the same time.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/10/26/are_some_in_the_chain_of_command_still_haunted_by_carter_s_failed_rescue_in_1979

Ahh yes here come the mom and stooge jokes from the self proclaimed master of the written word brought to you live from mommy and daddy's basement, dreaming of the good old days when 7th grade was the best 3 years of your life. Yes my mother is a friend of mine, just wondering why you are so afraid of your own picture and location? Not in the US would be my guess! Later sad little fella, but you keep living the dream now.

Lmao Sans does think very highly of himself

[divemaster5734]

Thats 2 min and 43 sec Maggie

Well, have a good night

Don't feel bad Chris, I posted this last week and there was almost no response then either.

We should have the same articles posted 2 or 3 times a week by different people, maybe then more would bother looking at the facts.

Too many are just offhandedly dismissing anything as just anti-o stuff.

it amazes me that the "race" is even as close as it's purported to be.

Just shows ya how totally brainwashed some people are.

[cris]

Don't feel bad Chris, I posted this last week and there was almost no response then either.

We should have the same articles posted 2 or 3 times a week by different people, maybe then more would bother looking at the facts.

Too many are just offhandedly dismissing anything as just anti-o stuff.

it amazes me that the "race" is even as close as it's purported to be.

Just shows ya how totally brainwashed some people are.

I knew I had seen it before.....Forgot it was your post Divemaster

Anyway.....There was a little further info....I thought it was worth its own

thread.

[DiveDeepSix]

Hey, don't knock it until you have tried it.

That's a question for you. Your avatar: What is that poor excuse for art? It looks like a bowel movement. Tropical Minnesota. Really?

France. I'm living the dream in France. I'll bet you have never been outside the county in which your one and only best friend gave you life.

You lost me on the art thing chief, it's a picture LOL. Yes MN is pretty tropical in July and......well July.

Now France that is not a surprise, home of the rifle droppers. We should have never expected you guys to help us get Hussein out of Iraq, hell you didn't help us get Hitler out of France! Actually I have traveled to a lot of different countries, however Europe is not on my to do list, many countries there are arrogant beyond belief, (especially France), but have quickly forgotten if it wasn't for us they'd all be speaking German or Russian right now. Note I didn't say all I said many countries.

Now I do have to run and pick up one of my kids from work, so don't worry Sans I'm not avoiding you if I ever have a desire to travel to the colon of the planet I'll come look you up personally!

Edited October 27, 2012 by DiveDeepSix

[divemaster5734]

I knew I had seen it before.....Forgot it was your post Divemaster

Anyway.....There was a little further info....I thought it was worth its own

thread.

My Brother, I honestly do not care about who posts anything, I am happy to see important issues with multiple posts, these things need to stay in the forefront and not get drowned out by the thousands of attempts to divert the public's attention.

I am sorry if I offended, that was never my intent, and no need to justify.

Be Blessed

[jonjon]

[pattyangel]

I can't believed you would state such a statement as "his hands were tied". Unbelievable, you explain that to the families who lives were changed forever. Heartless administration. No value for life. Are you so heartless to even say such a thing. Do you believe in what you just stated. Do you truly believe that his hands were tied, that he couldn't doing anything. If so why even watch the ordeal go down. :angry: I would like an answer from your heart to speak to me, not links, not youtube, not articles...your heart.