FACT CHECK: Ryan takes factual shortcuts in speech

[rightsonword]

FACT CHECK: Ryan takes factual shortcuts in speech

WASHINGTON (AP) — Laying out the first plans for his party's presidential ticket, GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan took some factual shortcuts Wednesday night when he attacked President Barack Obama's policies on Medicare, the economic stimulus and the budget deficit.

Sen. Rob Portman, a former U.S. trade representative, glossed over his own problems when critiquing Obama's trade dealings with China. A day earlier, the convention's keynote speaker, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, bucked reality in promising that GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney will lay out for the American people the painful budget cuts it will take to wrestle the government's debt and deficit woes under control.

And former senator and presidential candidate Rick Santorum stretched the truth in taking Obama to task over his administration supposedly waiving work requirements in the nation's landmark welfare-to-work law.

A closer look at some of the words spoken at the GOP convention in Tampa, Fla.:

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RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."

THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.

In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.

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RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.

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RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.

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RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.

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CHRISTIE: "Mitt Romney will tell us the hard truths we need to hear to end the torrent of debt that is compromising our future and burying our economy. ... Tonight, our duty is to tell the American people the truth. Our problems are big and the solutions will not be painless. We all must share in the sacrifice. Any leader that tells us differently is simply not telling the truth."

THE FACTS: Romney has made a core promise to cut $500 billion per year from the federal budget by 2016 to bring spending below 20 percent of the U.S. economy, and to balance it entirely by 2020.

His campaign manifesto, however, is almost completely devoid of the "hard truths" Christie promises. In fact, Romney is promising to reverse $716 billion in Medicare savings achieved by Obama over the coming decade and promises big increases in military spending as well, along with extending tax cuts for everyone, including the wealthiest.

The few specifics Romney offers include repealing Obama's health care law, cutting federal payrolls, weaning Amtrak from subsidies, cutting foreign aid and curbing the Medicaid health care program for the poor and disabled.

But it'll take a lot more than those steps for Romney to keep his vague promises, which are unrealistic if he's unwilling to touch Medicare and Social Security in the coming decade. Even the controversial budget plan of his vice presidential nominee, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., largely endorsed by Romney, leaves Medicare virtually untouched over the next 10 years.

What's left for Romney to cut is benefit programs other than Medicare and Social Security, which include food stamps, welfare, farm subsidies and retirement benefits for federal workers. The remaining pot of money includes the day-to-day budgets of domestic agencies, which have already borne cuts under last year's budget deal. There's also widespread congressional aversion to cutting most of what remains on the chopping block, which includes health research, NASA, transportation, air traffic control, homeland security, education, food inspection, housing and heating subsidies for the poor, food aid for pregnant women, the FBI, grants to local governments, national parks and veterans' health care.

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PORTMAN: "Take trade with China. China manipulates its currency, giving it an unfair trade advantage. So why doesn't the president do something about it? I'll tell you one reason. President Obama could not run up his record trillion-dollar deficits if the Chinese didn't buy our bonds to finance them. Folks, we are as beholden to China for bonds as we are to the Middle East for oil. This will end under Mitt Romney."

THE FACTS: Portman is an expert on commerce, having served as President George W. Bush's trade representative from May 2005 to May 2006. But he didn't fare particularly well in stemming China's trade advantage, either.

Under Portman's watch, the U.S. trade deficit with China soared by 25 percent in 2005, and the next year it climbed more than 15 percent. By contrast, the deficit rose 10 percent over the first three years of Obama's presidency, according to U.S. government figures.

Both the Bush and Obama administrations have launched unfair trade cases against China at the World Trade Organization, but neither has been able to rebalance the relationship.

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SANTORUM: "This summer (Obama) showed us once again he believes in government handouts and dependency by waiving the work requirement for welfare. Now, I helped write the welfare reform bill. We made a lot crystal clear. No president can waive the work requirement, but as with his refusal to enforce our immigration laws, President Obama rules like he is above the law."

THE FACTS: The administration did not waive the work requirement. Instead, it invited governors to apply on behalf of their states for waivers of administrative requirements in the 1996 law. Some states have complained those rules tie up caseworkers who could be helping clients directly.

In a July 18 letter to congressional leaders, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that to be eligible for a waiver, governors must commit that their plans will move at least 20 percent more people from welfare to work. Moreover, states must show clear progress toward the goal within a year, or lose the waiver.

"We will not accept any changes that undercut employment-focused welfare reforms that were signed into law fifteen years ago," Sebelius wrote.

Ron Haskins, a former senior Republican House aide who helped write the welfare-to-work law, has said "there is merit" to the administration's proposal and "I don't see how you can get to the conclusion that the waiver provision undermines welfare reform and it eliminates the work requirement."

Haskins, now co-director of the Brookings Center on Children and Families, says the administration was wrong to roll out its proposal without first getting Republicans to sign off on it. But he said the idea itself is one both parties should be able to agree on, were it not for the bitter political divisions that rule Washington.

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Associated Press writers Tom Raum, Andrew Taylor, Henry C. Jackson and Bradley Klapper contributed to this report.

EDITOR'S NOTE _ An occasional look at claims made in political campaigns and how they adhere to the facts.

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The debates should be quite entertaining. Four opportunists and hypocrites with selective memory going at it.

Edited August 30, 2012 by rightsonword

[cris]

Just a few Obama lies.....In 2012 alone

Why would anyone believe what a liberal says? Whether its a

Liberal article or a Liberal Administration

LIST OF OBAMA LIES 2012 - UPDATED - OBAMA LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES

CROP FAILURE (OBAMA LIES WHEN HE SAYS PAUL RYAN IS BLOCKING DROUGHT RELIEF)

Source:NationalReview

SO IT BEGINS: OBAMA LIES, CLAIMS ROMNEY-RYAN WILL RAISE YOUR TAXES

Source: Breitbart.com, August 12, 2012

Barack Obama has been proven by more than one fact checking organization to be a habitual liar.

“I am told that Governor Romney’s new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days,” he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. “He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities.”

House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes)

The American automobile industry has come roaring back…So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let’s make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney … invested in companies that were called ‘pioneers’ of outsourcing. I don’t want to outsource. I want to insource.

Forbes- Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors

“You Didn’t Build that”

A few examples

While writing the previous piece where Washington Post’s The Fact Checker gave Barack Obama four Pinocchios on a statement he made on April 30, 2012, I clicked over to PolitiFact and took a look at the Obama File they keep where they have three pages of statements made by Barack Obama that were rated false statements.

Obama- If the Supreme Court throws out the federal health care law, it “would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact- Slim majority, not unprecedented)

Obama- “For the first time since 1990, American manufacturers are creating new jobs.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- “Preventive care … saves money, for families, for businesses, for government, for everybody.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact- Wrong in 2009, and wrong today)

Obama- “Thirty million Americans, including a lot of people in Florida, are going to be able to get healthcare next year because of that law.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- “I made a bunch of these promises during the campaign. … We’ve got about 60 percent done in three years.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact- “In the Works” does not equal “done”)

Obama Admin.- Under President Barack Obama, the United States has “doubled our exports.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama Admin.- The president’s proposed budget “will help reduce the deficit by $400 billion over the next decade to the lowest level since Dwight Eisenhower was president.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-A mangled reference to a prior talking point)

Obama- Under the White House’s budget proposal, “we will not be adding more to the national debt” by the middle of the decade.

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-Revenue would equal outlays, but he ignores growing interest on the debt)

Obama- Twelve judges have thrown out legal challenges to the health care law because they rejected “the notion that the health care law was unconstitutional.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-Score two to two on judges’ decisions on constitionality)

Obama- “I didn’t raise taxes once.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-We’ve tracked a few increases)

Obama- When President Franklin D. Roosevelt started Social Security, “it only affected widows and orphans,” and when Medicare began, “it was a small program.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-A grain of truth in the big picture, far off on the details)

Obama- The Bush administration had been “giving (auto companies) billions of dollars and just asking nothing in return.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- “The vast majority of the money I got was from small donors all across the country.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-Big donors bankrolled much of Obama’s campaign)

Obama- “We’ve excluded lobbyists from policymaking jobs.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-We found at least four)

Obama- When Obama was interviewed by American reporters in Asia, “Not one of them asked me about Asia. Not one of them asked me about the economy.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-More than one did)

Obama- Insurers delayed an Illinois man’s treatment, “and he died because of it.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(Insurer’s decision was reversed and man lived three more years)

Obama- Health reform will “give every American the same opportunity” to buy health insurance the way members of Congress do.

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- Preventive care “saves money.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-Covering preventive care for everyone is a net cost)

Obama- (No earmarks in spending bill)

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

That was only from page one of Obama’s false statement PolitiFact files.

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

[simple]

Demonstrates that lies and deception must be launched to takeover the White House. Simple as that!

[rightsonword]

Good post, Cris. Obama is a big time liar as well. Seems a common trait among politicians.

Demonstrates that lies and deception must be launched to takeover the White House. Simple as that!

Sadly, that seems to be true. Honest men like Paul just don't make it.

[Maggie123]

Someone Negged You? They either didn't read it or if they did, had nothing to refute what is said here.

Thanks for bringing in a well written article that spells it out so clear even a kindergartener could understand it.

Those were some "GREAT SPEECHS" they had there. Just loaded with the fact's and only the truth. Sarcasm intended.

Yeah cris Dem's lie... so Repub's need to lie in order to get the truth out there, right?

Ouch! Truth Hurts! Far more than a little ol neg anyday, huh Rightsonword.

[simple]

Just a few Obama lies.....In 2012 alone

Why would anyone believe what a liberal says? Whether its a

Liberal article or a Liberal Administration

LIST OF OBAMA LIES 2012 - UPDATED - OBAMA LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES

CROP FAILURE (OBAMA LIES WHEN HE SAYS PAUL RYAN IS BLOCKING DROUGHT RELIEF)

Source:NationalReview

SO IT BEGINS: OBAMA LIES, CLAIMS ROMNEY-RYAN WILL RAISE YOUR TAXES

Source: Breitbart.com, August 12, 2012

Barack Obama has been proven by more than one fact checking organization to be a habitual liar.

“I am told that Governor Romney’s new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days,” he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. “He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities.”

House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes)

The American automobile industry has come roaring back…So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let’s make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney … invested in companies that were called ‘pioneers’ of outsourcing. I don’t want to outsource. I want to insource.

Forbes- Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors

“You Didn’t Build that”

A few examples

While writing the previous piece where Washington Post’s The Fact Checker gave Barack Obama four Pinocchios on a statement he made on April 30, 2012, I clicked over to PolitiFact and took a look at the Obama File they keep where they have three pages of statements made by Barack Obama that were rated false statements.

Obama- If the Supreme Court throws out the federal health care law, it “would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact- Slim majority, not unprecedented)

Obama- “For the first time since 1990, American manufacturers are creating new jobs.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- “Preventive care … saves money, for families, for businesses, for government, for everybody.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact- Wrong in 2009, and wrong today)

Obama- “Thirty million Americans, including a lot of people in Florida, are going to be able to get healthcare next year because of that law.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- “I made a bunch of these promises during the campaign. … We’ve got about 60 percent done in three years.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact- “In the Works” does not equal “done”)

Obama Admin.- Under President Barack Obama, the United States has “doubled our exports.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama Admin.- The president’s proposed budget “will help reduce the deficit by $400 billion over the next decade to the lowest level since Dwight Eisenhower was president.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-A mangled reference to a prior talking point)

Obama- Under the White House’s budget proposal, “we will not be adding more to the national debt” by the middle of the decade.

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-Revenue would equal outlays, but he ignores growing interest on the debt)

Obama- Twelve judges have thrown out legal challenges to the health care law because they rejected “the notion that the health care law was unconstitutional.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-Score two to two on judges’ decisions on constitionality)

Obama- “I didn’t raise taxes once.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-We’ve tracked a few increases)

Obama- When President Franklin D. Roosevelt started Social Security, “it only affected widows and orphans,” and when Medicare began, “it was a small program.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-A grain of truth in the big picture, far off on the details)

Obama- The Bush administration had been “giving (auto companies) billions of dollars and just asking nothing in return.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- “The vast majority of the money I got was from small donors all across the country.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-Big donors bankrolled much of Obama’s campaign)

Obama- “We’ve excluded lobbyists from policymaking jobs.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-We found at least four)

Obama- When Obama was interviewed by American reporters in Asia, “Not one of them asked me about Asia. Not one of them asked me about the economy.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-More than one did)

Obama- Insurers delayed an Illinois man’s treatment, “and he died because of it.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(Insurer’s decision was reversed and man lived three more years)

Obama- Health reform will “give every American the same opportunity” to buy health insurance the way members of Congress do.

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

Obama- Preventive care “saves money.”

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

(PolitiFact-Covering preventive care for everyone is a net cost)

Obama- (No earmarks in spending bill)

Truth-O-Meter rating: False

That was only from page one of Obama’s false statement PolitiFact files.

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

Search the details and circumstances of the Truth-O-Meter False statements if you want to know more. Take at face value or read the details of their claims.

A lot of half truths at the most from Obama... I would say.

[caz1104]

Politicians lie..........NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. It's still a popularity contest based on telling people(sheep) what they want to hear. Peace

[DiveDeepSix]

Great post Cris, O has to go!!

Right, here is Mr Paul, being a hypocrite, he has had his hand in the cookie jar just as much as the rest of the crooks in politics. Just because he has never really done anything notable, he tends to stay under the radar, but Paul is just as bad. You've already said you were going to vote for Paul so why continue to bash Romney/Ryan? Do you want O to get another 4? I'm not understanding where you are coming from.

I did enjoy Rand's speech though and Ryan's was excellent. I look forward to watching Obama get a beat down in the debates, as well as Biden, if he can stay awake long enough.

Edited August 30, 2012 by DiveDeepSix

[Bandit795]

Fox News article: Paul Ryan’s speech in 3 words

[rightsonword]

Someone Negged You? They either didn't read it or if they did, had nothing to refute what is said here.

Thanks for bringing in a well written article that spells it out so clear even a kindergartener could understand it.

Those were some "GREAT SPEECHS" they had there. Just loaded with the fact's and only the truth. Sarcasm intended.

Yeah cris Dem's lie... so Repub's need to lie in order to get the truth out there, right?

Ouch! Truth Hurts! Far more than a little ol neg anyday, huh Rightsonword.

Well said, Maggie! +1

Great post Cris, O has to go!!

Right, here is Mr Paul, being a hypocrite, he has had his hand in the cookie jar just as much as the rest of the crooks in politics. Just because he has never really done anything notable, he tends to stay under the radar, but Paul is just as bad. You've already said you were going to vote for Paul so why continue to bash Romney/Ryan? Do you want O to get another 4? I'm not understanding where you are coming from.

I did enjoy Rand's speech though and Ryan's was excellent. I look forward to watching Obama get a beat down in the debates, as well as Biden, if he can stay awake long enough.

You're right. On this one point, Paul is being a bit hypocritical, but can you find any others? I doubt there are many out there to find. Point is, Paul is the cleanest politician out there. He does make a valid point that even if he is against it, the people in his district demand it and he does have to listen to them. But yes, it is a a bit hypocritical, but earmarks are quite insignificant, imo, compared to the things that have really taken over the US. The things Obama, Biden, Romney, and Ryan do and say are things that truly have affected the US: bailouts, wars, attack on our freedoms and privacy, etc.

I don't want O to get another 4 years, but I also do not want to the Paul liberty movement to die. Just spreading the truth that Romney and Co. are jsut as guilty of being liars as O and team. There is always someone out there who wants to listen.

Fox News article: Paul Ryan’s speech in 3 words

Ouch, even Fox called him out!

[DiveDeepSix]

Right,

Thanks for the response and I respect your thoughts on it. RP does have some good ideas, and I think Rand will pick up where he left off. Hopefully we can get a team in to the WH that will actually follow thru and use good ideas regardless where they originated from, unlike our current administration. I don't want to see the Tea Party movement dissolve either and I don't think it will.

[rightsonword]

Right,

Thanks for the response and I respect your thoughts on it. RP does have some good ideas, and I think Rand will pick up where he left off. Hopefully we can get a team in to the WH that will actually follow thru and use good ideas regardless where they originated from, unlike our current administration. I don't want to see the Tea Party movement dissolve either and I don't think it will.

I can totally agree with that. +1

[aliciadogz]

rightsongword,I met give ya plus but I hit net. sorry! I'll give ya one later.

[rightsonword]

rightsongword,I met give ya plus but I hit net. sorry! I'll give ya one later.

haha, no worries. + for you!

[grand pubah]

Good post, Cris. Obama is a big time liar as well. Seems a common trait among politicians.

Sadly, that seems to be true. Honest men like Paul just don't make it.

i do agree that the vast amount of what goes in in the political arena is corrupt. However what I think hurt Ron Paul more than anything was his military and foreign policies.

Most americans don't buy into the idea that if we just leave everybody else alone they will leave us alone.

History has not borne this out.

I like Paul and many of his ideas. I simply was not comfortable with his policies on these issues though.

GP

[DiveDeepSix]

i do agree that the vast amount of what goes in in the political arena is corrupt. However what I think hurt Ron Paul more than anything was his military and foreign policies.

Most americans don't buy into the idea that if we just leave everybody else alone they will leave us alone.

History has not borne this out.

I like Paul and many of his ideas. I simply was not comfortable with his policies on these issues though.

GP

Well said GP, that was by far my biggest hang up with RP. Not that he is a bad guy, yes he has some great ideas, but his stance on foreign policy could be catastrophic for us, a chance most, including myself, will not even consider.

[rightsonword]

i do agree that the vast amount of what goes in in the political arena is corrupt. However what I think hurt Ron Paul more than anything was his military and foreign policies.

Most americans don't buy into the idea that if we just leave everybody else alone they will leave us alone.

History has not borne this out.

I like Paul and many of his ideas. I simply was not comfortable with his policies on these issues though.

GP

I agree, that was probably one of his downfalls. But, i don't know, doesn't it seem that the US is involved more than it should be in other countries affairs? For example, it's been admitted that the CIA is aiding the rebels in Syria with high tech communications equipment and weapons. I think it is things like this that tick off most of the world. I mean, how else do you explain the fact that the US is one of the most ill-looked upon nations in the world, whether merited or not?

[sandstorm]

I agree, that was probably one of his downfalls. But, i don't know, doesn't it seem that the US is involved more than it should be in other countries affairs? For example, it's been admitted that the CIA is aiding the rebels in Syria with high tech communications equipment and weapons. I think it is things like this that tick off most of the world. I mean, how else do you explain the fact that the US is one of the most ill-looked upon nations in the world, whether merited or not?

Its the people of those countries tired of a dictatorship. Look at where the u.s. has been and what the region is experiencing. Iraq, afghanistan, egypt , libya, and now syria. its obvious why iran is helping the assad government. they dont want their citizens to overthrow the dictatorship regime. if the u.s. as aided this effort.....its been an effort to release human beings from dictatorship. thats probably why china and russia are not big fans.

[rightsonword]

Its the people of those countries tired of a dictatorship. Look at where the u.s. has been and what the region is experiencing. Iraq, afghanistan, egypt , libya, and now syria. its obvious why iran is helping the assad government. they dont want their citizens to overthrow the dictatorship regime. if the u.s. as aided this effort.....its been an effort to release human beings from dictatorship. thats probably why china and russia are not big fans.

Perhaps that is partially true, but the big thing is that in Libya, we gave weapons to Al-Qaeda and are now again giving aid to Al-Qaeda in Syria. Christians and other citizens in Libya and Syria are being killed terrorist style by the "rebels." I may be mistaken, but the US, UN, nor NATO has even condemned these multiple terrorist attacks against Syrian citizens by rebels.

I agree that some views of the US are definitely biased and based on ignorance, but it things like the above that make Ron Paul's points on US foreign policy more valid in my eyes at least.

[sandstorm]

Perhaps that is partially true, but the big thing is that in Libya, we gave weapons to Al-Qaeda and are now again giving aid to Al-Qaeda in Syria. Christians and other citizens in Libya and Syria are being killed terrorist style by the "rebels." I may be mistaken, but the US, UN, nor NATO has even condemned these multiple terrorist attacks against Syrian citizens by rebels.

I agree that some views of the US are definitely biased and based on ignorance, but it things like the above that make Ron Paul's points on US foreign policy more valid in my eyes at least.

The problem ron paul doesnt see.....is the radical muslim movement in the middle east is all religious. these people want the 12 th imam to return....but they must conquer the world and kill all the indefels. you are not going to talk these people out of it. you arent going to beat it out of them....and yousure in the heck aint going to sanction them out of it. its a threat to all. if anyone thinks the the radical muslim movement will stop....they are closing their eyes. turning your back on it....is totally irresponsible

Edited August 30, 2012 by sandstorm

[jonjon]

Such a deceitful article.

The title should have read:

“We Liberals Can Re-incriminate Anything Stated”

Every thing Rand Paul said was a fact.

Liberals agenda is hate, fear, and anger, once they get over that they have become conservatives.

[yota691]

Rush is getting ready debunk the Liberals Lie's as we speak!!

[grand pubah]

Such a deceitful article.

Liberals agenda is hate, fear, and anger, once they get over that they have become conservatives.

ha ha ha ha! great post jonjon

[Maggie123]

Liberals agenda is hate, fear, and anger, once they get over that they have become conservatives.

I am not a Liberal or a Conservative. I am a free thinking, independent American.

I plan to remain that way for the rest of my life. I don't care for the choices you put out.

Thanks, but No Thanks.

[simple]

Rush is getting ready debunk the Liberals Lie's as we speak!!

Well there you go!

Such a deceitful article.

The title should have read:

“We Liberals Can Re-incriminate Anything Stated”

Every thing Rand Paul said was a fact.

Liberals agenda is hate, fear, and anger, once they get over that they have become conservatives.

Yep