Real Deal about the AMMO purchases

[TPSprayduster]

Here is the real Scoop, not the BUM scoop from the famous infowars and other off the gird sites. Keeping on believing those sites it is your God given right.

Obscure federal agencies triggered a firestorm of conspiracy theories this week after they put out orders for thousands of rounds of deadly hollow-point bullets.

But the agencies, most recently the Social Security Administration, are trying to put a damper on the speculation -- noting the ammunition is "standard issue" and simply used for mandatory federal training sessions.

"Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately," said a message on the official blog for Social Security's inspector general office explaining the purchases.

The bullet purchases drew widespread attention as the website Infowars.com published several stories on them that were linked off the widely read Drudge Report and other sites. Infowars.com catalogued a string of recent purchases -- first by the Department of Homeland Security, then by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and then the Social Security Administration.

The Social Security Administration solicitation, posted Aug. 7, called for 174,000 rounds of ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition."

Infowars.com speculated that the purchases were being made in preparation for "civil unrest," imagining a scenario of economic collapse where seniors could cause "disorder" if denied their Social Security benefits. LOL

But the Social Security Administration statement, posted Thursday, noted that their agents need firearms and ammo in the course of training, investigations and responding to threats against offices and employees.

"As we said in a recent post, our office has criminal investigators, or special agents, who are responsible for investigating violations of the laws that govern SSA's programs," the office said.

The agency said it has 295 special agents across 66 offices in the country. "These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests," the statement said.

As for concern about the type of bullets -- hollow points, which expand upon impact -- the statement said the type is "standard issue" and is used during "mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions."

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, found itself scrambling to respond to a similar report this week about an order for 46,000 rounds of ammo. Though the agency initially indicated it was for the National Weather Service -- leading to questions about why the National Weather Service could possibly need so many bullets -- a spokesman clarified the bullets are actually meant for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement. A "clerical error" resulted in the order saying the ammo was for the weather service.

Spokesman Scott Smullen said the error's been fixed in the bidding system. He, too, said the ammo is "standard issue" and will be used by 63 enforcement personnel at NOAA during qualifications and training sessions.

"NOAA officers and agents enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles," he said.

According to NOAA, the specialized agents are supposed to have 200 rounds in their "duty bag," and qualification and training requires another 500-600 rounds per agent.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/17/agencies-tamp-down-speculation-over-hollow-point-ammo-purchases/?test=latestnews#ixzz23uLLqbd9

[flatdawg]

Here is the real Scoop, not the BUM scoop from the famous infowars and other off the gird sites. Keeping on believing those sites it is your God given right.

Believe anything Govco tells you and everything will be just fine.

One day I expect you will wake up.

Will it be too late then?

[R2D2]

Here is the real Scoop, not the BUM scoop from the famous infowars and other off the gird sites. Keeping on believing those sites it is your God given right.

Obscure federal agencies triggered a firestorm of conspiracy theories this week after they put out orders for thousands of rounds of deadly hollow-point bullets.

But the agencies, most recently the Social Security Administration, are trying to put a damper on the speculation -- noting the ammunition is "standard issue" and simply used for mandatory federal training sessions.

"Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately," said a message on the official blog for Social Security's inspector general office explaining the purchases.

The bullet purchases drew widespread attention as the website Infowars.com published several stories on them that were linked off the widely read Drudge Report and other sites. Infowars.com catalogued a string of recent purchases -- first by the Department of Homeland Security, then by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and then the Social Security Administration.

The Social Security Administration solicitation, posted Aug. 7, called for 174,000 rounds of ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition."

Infowars.com speculated that the purchases were being made in preparation for "civil unrest," imagining a scenario of economic collapse where seniors could cause "disorder" if denied their Social Security benefits. LOL

But the Social Security Administration statement, posted Thursday, noted that their agents need firearms and ammo in the course of training, investigations and responding to threats against offices and employees.

"As we said in a recent post, our office has criminal investigators, or special agents, who are responsible for investigating violations of the laws that govern SSA's programs," the office said.

The agency said it has 295 special agents across 66 offices in the country. "These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests," the statement said.

As for concern about the type of bullets -- hollow points, which expand upon impact -- the statement said the type is "standard issue" and is used during "mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions."

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, found itself scrambling to respond to a similar report this week about an order for 46,000 rounds of ammo. Though the agency initially indicated it was for the National Weather Service -- leading to questions about why the National Weather Service could possibly need so many bullets -- a spokesman clarified the bullets are actually meant for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement. A "clerical error" resulted in the order saying the ammo was for the weather service.

Spokesman Scott Smullen said the error's been fixed in the bidding system. He, too, said the ammo is "standard issue" and will be used by 63 enforcement personnel at NOAA during qualifications and training sessions.

"NOAA officers and agents enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles," he said.

According to NOAA, the specialized agents are supposed to have 200 rounds in their "duty bag," and qualification and training requires another 500-600 rounds per agent.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/17/agencies-tamp-down-speculation-over-hollow-point-ammo-purchases/?test=latestnews#ixzz23uLLqbd9

Dude your number are wrong. The numbers are now in the BILLIONS! Do your home work.

[tellmewhen]

When it is required to use force to get something from another it called stealing not protecting yourseif. If they were doing us a service they would not need to protect themselves. And paranoia starts when you start cheating and stealing. They are paranoid because they know they are doing a wrong and terriblely bad thing and they are scared of those they serve???? To the point the government is making soldiers of all their workers. They are the domestic terrorists. why is the man with the gun over there telling me I should be afraid. He's got the gun and his job is to protect and serve not warn. He's the one to be scared of. And HE knows it you DON'T does that make me stupid or you.

[TPSprayduster]

Dude your number are wrong. The numbers are now in the BILLIONS! Do your home work.

ok thanks

[desimo]

Personally, I have gotten to the point that if the government's lips are moving you can be assured that they are lying. I believe that all that ammo is just for their practice and qualifying about as much as I believe that pig's can fly out of Obama's butt.

[flatdawg]

Personally, I have gotten to the point that if the government's lips are moving you can be assured that they are lying.

I'd take that one step further and include the main stream media, of which, fox news is a part of.

[TPSprayduster]

I'd take that one step further and include the main stream media, of which, fox news is a part of.

How do you know flatdawg, if is not from an off gird source it must be lying. You everythink they might be lying?

Edited August 19, 2012 by TPSprayduster

[rothsdad]

Is it really standard to practice with hollow point? Just an honest question

[ayrnay22]

Not usually what u practice with because of cost but if you can afford to practice with hollow points I can see the benefit in using the same for practice as what u carry on the job

[AoK]

"When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty."

Thomas Jefferson, 1743– , 1826

“The reasonit is difficult is that we have been conditioned to laugh at conspiracytheories, and few people will risk public ridicule by advocating them. On theother hand, to endorse the accidental view is absurd. Almost all of history isan unbroken trail of one conspiracy after another. Conspiracies are the norm,not the exception.”

- G.Edward Griffin, Federal Reserve Historian

[jonjon]

"When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty."

Thomas Jefferson, 1743– , 1826

“The reasonit is difficult is that we have been conditioned to laugh at conspiracy theories, and few people will risk public ridicule by advocating them. On theother hand, to endorse the accidental view is absurd. Almost all of history isan unbroken trail of one conspiracy after another. Conspiracies are the norm,not the exception.”

- G.Edward Griffin, Federal Reserve Historian

Not much to fear here with these small amounts of ammo. Probably that much in ever square mile in Texas.

[flatdawg]

How do you know flatdawg, if is not from an off gird source it must be lying. You everythink they might be lying?

Been drinking tonight? Or is it all the bug spray?

[jonjon]

I wonder how many bullets the army has?

[Butifldrm]

Dude your number are wrong. The numbers are now in the BILLIONS! Do your home work.

R2D2, Homeland security bought Billions, Social Security bought 174,000. saw the invoice on this sight.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/17/Social-Security-Admin-To-Purchase-174-000-Hollow-Point-Bullets

[flatdawg]

I wonder how many bullets the army has?

I'm sure they have enough to kill another couple million brown skin people on the other side of the world for the sake of nation building.

'Course most rounds .50 caliber and above have DU in them. Our soldiers will be dying from their own ammo... just a slower death.

[TPSprayduster]

Been drinking tonight? Or is it all the bug spray?

Yes sir, been drinking water. It is morning here enjoying my day off. it is not smart to be blogging flatdawg while drinking you tend to make arse of yourself when that liquid courage starts affecting your brain.

[flatdawg]

Yes sir, been drinking water. It is morning here enjoying my day off. it is not smart to be blogging flatdawg while drinking you tend to make arse of yourself when that liquid courage starts affecting your brain.

So it's the bug spray that's responsible for your incoherent blabbering?

I figured since you are no longer under General Article No. 1, you may be drinking on the job.

Edited August 19, 2012 by flatdawg

[TPSprayduster]

I'm sure they have enough to kill another couple million brown skin people on the other side of the world for the sake of nation building.

'Course most rounds .50 caliber and above have DU in them. Our soldiers will be dying from their own ammo... just a slower death.

Prime example; drinking and posting incorrect information, 50 cal rounds do not have Depleted uranium in their contents. That is mostly for Armor piercing rounds. 25MM, 30mm or tank rounds. Since it is gamma radiation it is safe unless you eat the rounds. Posting and drinking do not mix. Do some research flat dawg before posting an opinion.

So it's the bug spray that's responsible for your incoherent blabbering?

I figured since you are no longer under General Article No. 1, you may be drinking on the job.

Again wrong information, some of us are allowed to consume some process malts and some are not. See what happens when you try to figure and drink at the same time. Nothing adds up or better yet you cannot calculate.

[flatdawg]

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Prime example; drinking and posting incorrect information, 50 cal rounds do not have Depleted uranium in their contents. That is mostly for Armor piercing rounds. 25MM, 30mm or tank rounds. Since it is gamma radiation it is safe unless you eat the rounds. Posting and drinking do not mix. Do some research flat dawg before posting an opinion.

To be honest, I'm just surprised you know what DU is.

Research:

There are two variants of .50 caliber ammunition:

.50 caliber (A brick of ammunition, .50 caliber, standard issue.)

.50 DU (A brick of ammunition, .50 caliber, depleted uranium. Designed for maximum penetration.)

Link

What did that take? Three minutes?

Edited for correct link.

Edited August 19, 2012 by flatdawg

[TPSprayduster]

To be honest, I'm just surprised you know what DU is.

Research:

There are two variants of .50 caliber ammunition:

.50 caliber (A brick of ammunition, .50 caliber, standard issue.)

.50 DU (A brick of ammunition, .50 caliber, depleted uranium. Designed for maximum penetration.)

Link

What did that take? Three minutes?

They don't use that type of ammo in the military, 25mm, 30mm and tank rounds. Have you ever been in the military? Of course not if you have then you would notice on the 50 cal ammo boxes if it was DU it would state that. Plus it would be stored in a lead lined box. Over kill but that is policy. Blogging and Drinking alter you mind sir.

[flatdawg]

They don't use that type of ammo in the military, 25mm, 30mm and tank rounds. Have you ever been in the military? Of course not if you have then you would notice on the 50 cal ammo boxes if it was DU it would state that. Plus it would be stored in a lead lined box. Over kill but that is policy. Blogging and Drinking alter you mind sir.

Probably been around many more ASPs than you bug man.

[TPSprayduster]

Probably been around many more ASPs than you bug man.

You think so? If so then you would know that DU ammo is stored differently. And 50 cal rounds used on gun trucks do not have DU. But of course you know this since you know more about this than i do. moving along this is a mute subject now.

[flatdawg]

You think so? If so then you would know that DU ammo is stored differently.

Is it not stored at the ASP?

And 50 cal rounds used on gun trucks do not have DU.

And the last time you were firing .50 cal on a gun truck was when?

But of course you know this since you know more about this than i do.

Quite possibly I am better informed than you.

moving along this is a mute subject now.

Don't go away angry...

[dinar_stud]

To be honest, I'm just surprised you know what DU is.

Research:

There are two variants of .50 caliber ammunition:

.50 caliber (A brick of ammunition, .50 caliber, standard issue.)

.50 DU (A brick of ammunition, .50 caliber, depleted uranium. Designed for maximum penetration.)

Link

What did that take? Three minutes?

Edited for correct link.

Are you using the wiki page for a video game (FallOut)??? If so, how is it that you believe whats in a video game is what happens in real life???

Edited August 19, 2012 by dinar_stud