Obama Will Win

[flatdawg]

Posted by Michael S. Rozeff on August 16, 2012 05:36 AM

Intrade has Obama at 56.7%, down from about 59%. Romney's more pointed attacks and choice of Ryan have coincided with this decline. Nevertheless, I feel (based on no research except general reading and knowledge) Obama will win. Meanwhile, an excellent case of insider trading can be brought against Paul Ryan. He had what is called "material nonpublic information" and acted upon it. Will the SEC do that? Ha-ha-ha.

Ron Paul was the strongest candidate for the nomination, but the Republicans chose to die instead, wedded to their habits of thought and their ingrained channels of power, influence and money. Paul could have hit Obama very hard by melding the negatives of deficits (and looming breaking of social promises) with useless foreign wars and spending into a positive program of reducing government spending while cutting taxes and taking steps to restructure the social programs and eliminate whole departments. He could have attacked Obama on the TSA and on the FED.

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It won't be the "Paulers" fault the GOP loses. The coming loose will be the fault of the GOP for nominating the wrong candidate.

[Kaduku]

Posted by Michael S. Rozeff on August 16, 2012 05:36 AM

Intrade has Obama at 56.7%, down from about 59%. Romney's more pointed attacks and choice of Ryan have coincided with this decline. Nevertheless, I feel (based on no research except general reading and knowledge) Obama will win. Meanwhile, an excellent case of insider trading can be brought against Paul Ryan. He had what is called "material nonpublic information" and acted upon it. Will the SEC do that? Ha-ha-ha.

Ron Paul was the strongest candidate for the nomination, but the Republicans chose to die instead, wedded to their habits of thought and their ingrained channels of power, influence and money. Paul could have hit Obama very hard by melding the negatives of deficits (and looming breaking of social promises) with useless foreign wars and spending into a positive program of reducing government spending while cutting taxes and taking steps to restructure the social programs and eliminate whole departments. He could have attacked Obama on the TSA and on the FED.

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It won't be the "Paulers" fault the GOP loses. The coming loose will be the fault of the GOP for nominating the wrong candidate.

KEEP DREAMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which side of the fence?

If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!

If a Conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. ...If a Democrat/Liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a Conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat. If a Democrat/Liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned or regulated for everyone.

... If a Conservative is homosexual, he leads his life. If a Democrat/Liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a Conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. If a Democrat/Liberal is down and out, he wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a Conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels. if a Democrat/Liberal doesn't like a talk show host, he demands that he/she be taken off the air.

If a Conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. If a Democrat/Liberal is a non-believer, he wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

If a Conservative needs health care, he shops for it, or finds a job that provides it. If a Democrat/Liberal needs health care, he demands that the rest of us provide it.

If a Conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can reflect on it. If a Democrat/Liberal gets it, he will delete it because he's "offended".

K

KEEP DREAMING DUDE

[bamagirl]

Woh woh woh, woh, woh woh woh.... so says Charlie Brown's faceless teacher...

[blaineage]

Respectfully...Couldn't disagree more. And on the "not the Paulers fault" again (respectfully) ....couldn't disagree more. Don't misunderstand, I am a Paul supporter, but this is the hand that is dealt and needs to be played. Folding your arms and stomping your feet cause Ron Paul didn't get it is simply stubborn and is not doing anyone any good. Lesser of two evils for sure....All my best. Neg away!!!!!!!!!

[40oz]

Neg away!!!!!!!!!

1st!

[rightsonword]

Respectfully...Couldn't disagree more. And on the "not the Paulers fault" again (respectfully) ....couldn't disagree more. Don't misunderstand, I am a Paul supporter, but this is the hand that is dealt and needs to be played. Folding your arms and stomping your feet cause Ron Paul didn't get it is simply stubborn and is not doing anyone any good. Lesser of two evils for sure....All my best. Neg away!!!!!!!!!

If Ron Paul was going to be such a factor for the GOP ticket, then perhaps you and others who "wanted Paul" should have voted for him during the primaries. Then, Paul would be the nominee AND Obama would be beaten.

The GOP has dug their own grave this election and it is nobodies fault but their own and those who chose to vote for the "lesser of two evils." I don't mean to say this disrespectfully, but it is what it is. Just my opinion.

[blaineage]

If Ron Paul was going to be such a factor for the GOP ticket, then perhaps you and others who "wanted Paul" should have voted for him during the primaries. Then, Paul would be the nominee AND Obama would be beaten.

The GOP has dug their own grave this election and it is nobodies fault but their own and those who chose to vote for the "lesser of two evils." I don't mean to say this disrespectfully, but it is what it is. Just my opinion.

Not only did I vote for Ron Paul, I donated money, and helped a friend organize a "pizza party" event with about 35 people. I know it is small potatoes but I tried. Ron Paul lost. I don't like it, but it happened. I also plan on voting in November. MY point is only this, I am not going to stop trying to turn the tide even if Romney is far from ideal. Wars are rarely won in a single battle. Be well.

Edited August 16, 2012 by blaineage

[rightsonword]

Not only did I vote for Ron Paul, I donated money, and helped a friend organize a "pizza party" event with about 35 people. I know it is small potatoes but I tried. Ron Paul lost. I don't like it, but it happened. I also plan on voting in November. Be well.

My apologies for the assumption. Thank you for your help spreading Paul's message.

However, people like you seem to be in the minority. Many I've spoken with say they love Paul, yet refused to vote for him during the primaries. If all had simply voted for Paul, he'd probably be the nominee. Still, why not vote for Paul and vote to make a change? The more votes a third party gets, the more exposure and momentum for the next election. We've been stuck in a two party system where both parties are essentially the same because people continually "vote for the lesser of two evils." Is this not true?

You speak of single battles, but the war you mention has been going on for a century with no change because these single battles are never fought. A war cannot be won if the first battle is never taken.

Edited August 16, 2012 by rightsonword

[flatdawg]

I also plan on voting in November.

Check out Gary Johnson.

With you being a self admitted "Pauler", Johnson should match up with your beliefs much more than willard.

[cris]

Paul should have been quiet on the drug issue & foreign policy.

His support for Palestine over Israel, and military cuts.

You know what, he had a really poor platform, thats what killed

his chances....The 90% didnt want him.

[rightsonword]

Paul should have been quiet on the drug issue & foreign policy.

His support for Palestine over Israel, and military cuts.

You know what, he had a really poor platform, thats what killed

his chances....The 90% didnt want him.

You're probably right about the Palestine/Israeli and Drug issue. The military issue I find interesting however. Where the common person vehemently disagrees with Paul in this respect, many of those in the military agree with him.

[blaineage]

My apologies for the assumption. Thank you for your help spreading Paul's message.

However, people like you seem to be in the minority. Many I've spoken with say they love Paul, yet refused to vote for him during the primaries. If all had simply voted for Paul, he'd probably be the nominee. Still, why not vote for Paul and vote to make a change? The more votes a third party gets, the more exposure and momentum for the next election. We've been stuck in a two party system where both parties are essentially the same because people continually "vote for the lesser of two evils." Is this not true?

You speak of single battles, but the war you mention has been going on for a century with no change because these single battles are never fought. A war cannot be won if the first battle is never taken.

I freely admit I do struggle with that. and the voting for the lesser of two evils is something I wouldn't have said 4,8 or 12 years ago. My problem today is the cancer has spread to a critical level, and the only hope seems to be to cut it out, and hopefully have time to heal. Voting for Romney may only be a speed bump of sorts. FWIW, I appreciate you taking time for discussion.

[OnTheHorizon]

Moderates and conservatives HAVE to unite to change the direction that we are currently headed. Whether or not you were a Pauler or Bachmaner, or Peryer is now irrelavant. BO has us going the wrong direction and we have to grab ahold of the rudder! Quit crying in your cheerios and pull yourself up, Man!

[rightsonword]

I freely admit I do struggle with that. and the voting for the lesser of two evils is something I wouldn't have said 4,8 or 12 years ago. My problem today is the cancer has spread to a critical level, and the only hope seems to be to cut it out, and hopefully have time to heal. Voting for Romney may only be a speed bump of sorts. FWIW, I appreciate you taking time for discussion.

I appreciate your discussion as well. I agree, the state that we are in under Obama is pretty ugly and four more years might be worse, but in my opinion, when Romney/Ryan have either supported or voted for many of the things Obama has pushed (NDAA, Patriot Act extension + more, TSA, bailouts, TARP, etc.), I personally have a hard time seeing how the Romney ticket will be any different than Obama, Bush, or any other president of the last 100 years.

I'll be voting for Paul or Johnson, but more than likely Paul. May be good may be bad, I don't know. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say.

[OnTheHorizon]

A neg? Really, a neg? For saying that we have to change the direction that we're headed? People 21-25 years of age who may be voting for a President for the first time have known nothing but entitlement all of their lives. Entitlements are killing us. What kind of country do you really want to leave for your children and grandchildren?

[maverick101]

well guys, all I can say about all the bashing of one to the other the only thing left for the Obama team to do is tear down and TRY

to dismember the opponents lives as well as the families, cause he sure as "H--LL can"t run on his policys and the economy

about the only ones that will vote for him are the welfare and "nanny" people that live off the govt. doles! Why don"t the Republicans

demand that Obama show his tax returns for the last 20 years, and why he has spent over a million dollars to keep his birth right

out of the public eye, There is a real GOOD reason for that , anyway we can hope for the best, and hope enough people become informed on the IMPORTANT features like getting our country back to the way the MAJORITY of the people want it!!!

GO RVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

[blaineage]

well guys, all I can say about all the bashing of one to the other the only thing left for the Obama team to do is tear down and TRY

to dismember the opponents lives as well as the families, cause he sure as "H--LL can"t run on his policys and the economy

about the only ones that will vote for him are the welfare and "nanny" people that live off the govt. doles! Why don"t the Republicans

demand that Obama show his tax returns for the last 20 years, and why he has spent over a million dollars to keep his birth right

out of the public eye, There is a real GOOD reason for that , anyway we can hope for the best, and hope enough people become informed on the IMPORTANT features like getting our country back to the way the MAJORITY of the people want it!!!

GO RVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

I for one don't feel 'bashed' and certainly hope that my comments weren't meant to feel like I was bashing.

[40oz]

1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney

TARP.

2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obama's "economic stimulus" packages.

3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama's bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.

4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.

5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.

6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.

7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the "independence" of the Federal Reserve.

8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.

9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.

10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.

11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.

12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.

13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.

14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.

15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.

16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.

17. Both candidates are "open" to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.

18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.

19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.

20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.

21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.

22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.

23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.

24. Both candidates support the practice of "extraordinary rendition".

25. They both support the job-killing "free trade" agenda of the global elite.

26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.

27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.

28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.

29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.

30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.

31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a "cap and trade" carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as long

.

32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.

33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romney's "conversion" to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capital's investment in a company called "Stericycle" that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.

34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly *** troop leaders is wrong.

35. They both believe that a "two state solution" will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.

36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.

37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add "signing statements" to bills when he signs them into law.

38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.

39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.

40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.

[rothsdad]

You guys are right. Paul did not kiss enough zionist arse to win. At least not as much as Romney shamelessly going to Israel and pledging to fight their wars. Jeesh, and it only cost the zionists a million dollars. Cheap date! Paul didn't have a chance when he didn't get on his knees.

[cris]

You're probably right about the Palestine/Israeli and Drug issue. The military issue I find interesting however. Where the common person vehemently disagrees with Paul in this respect, many of those in the military agree with him.

Good question ROW....Imo, one of the only things the Fed should be doing is protecting

this Country through the Military.

We have been caught out many times, not being prepared to defend ourselves, due to

short sighted politicians cutting our defenses...Pearl Harbor stands out as one of the

glaring examples.

The interesting thing about having an overwhelming ability to strike any adversary, is that

it actually saves lives....Almost always.....Its difficult to prove a negative, if it hasnt happened

how does anyone know it wouldnt happen.

Imo, Super powers dont attack each other anymore, because of the ramifications....The Major

Nations in the world have moved towards Capitalism and working together because of our

Military.

They play our game bacause they have no choice....Without our ability, the World would be

a much more dangerous and deadly place.

Also, the amount of spending is a pittance compared to welfare spending....I just looked up

a Govt site on spending, and it looks like defense is anywhere from 17% to 21%....hard to

tell with their crazy numbers....Welfare spending is from 53% to 64%

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The sole legitimate function of government is to secure these rights through the preservation of domestic tranquility, the maintenance of a strong national defense, and the promotion of equal justice for all.

http://www.americanconstitutionparty.com/PlatformDetail.html

[flatdawg]

...

I get it now. If one wins, the other wins.

Either way, Americans loose.

[dinar_stud]

You guys are right. Paul did not kiss enough zionist arse to win. At least not as much as Romney shamelessly going to Israel and pledging to fight their wars. Jeesh, and it only cost the zionists a million dollars. Cheap date! Paul didn't have a chance when he didn't get on his knees.

I dont think that was the problem.

The problem is that Paul could not convince the republican voter, the common person, that his conspiracy theories and drug policies were good for America. The republican voter could not accept Dr. NO as candidate and the fact that he did not get 15% of the primary votes is the proof of that.

Edited August 16, 2012 by dinar_stud

[dog53]

Ron paulers never die or fade away. They just kinda implode. Get over it guys your man lost. Have you ever gave any thought to posting a positive post. Just saying.

[geman]

1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney

TARP.

2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obama's "economic stimulus" packages.

3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama's bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.

4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.

5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.

6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.

7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the "independence" of the Federal Reserve.

8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.

9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.

10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.

11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.

12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.

13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.

14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.

15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.

16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.

17. Both candidates are "open" to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.

18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.

19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.

20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.

21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.

22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.

23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.

24. Both candidates support the practice of "extraordinary rendition".

25. They both support the job-killing "free trade" agenda of the global elite.

26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.

27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.

28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.

29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.

30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.

31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a "cap and trade" carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as long

.

32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.

33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romney's "conversion" to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capital's investment in a company called "Stericycle" that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.

34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly *** troop leaders is wrong.

35. They both believe that a "two state solution" will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.

36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.

37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add "signing statements" to bills when he signs them into law.

38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.

39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.

40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.

Well with them being so a like you shouldn't have a problem voting for Romney then just sayin.

[parmenio]

Posted by Michael S. Rozeff on August 16, 2012 05:36 AM

Intrade has Obama at 56.7%, down from about 59%. Romney's more pointed attacks and choice of Ryan have coincided with this decline. Nevertheless, I feel (based on no research except general reading and knowledge) Obama will win. Meanwhile, an excellent case of insider trading can be brought against Paul Ryan. He had what is called "material nonpublic information" and acted upon it. Will the SEC do that? Ha-ha-ha.

Ron Paul was the strongest candidate for the nomination, but the Republicans chose to die instead, wedded to their habits of thought and their ingrained channels of power, influence and money. Paul could have hit Obama very hard by melding the negatives of deficits (and looming breaking of social promises) with useless foreign wars and spending into a positive program of reducing government spending while cutting taxes and taking steps to restructure the social programs and eliminate whole departments. He could have attacked Obama on the TSA and on the FED.

link

It won't be the "Paulers" fault the GOP loses. The coming loose will be the fault of the GOP for nominating the wrong candidate.

Sir..., you really have your head up the dark side of your anatomy ! Thanks for your opinion!

Edited August 16, 2012 by parmenio