Here's Your "PROOF" There Is No Jesus Christ:

CarbonCoyote · August 4, 2012

Before I open this bag of worms, I'd like to state for the record: I have been a "Christian" all my life; studied the Bible over and over and over again. Have always considered "Jesus Christ" to be my Lord and Savior and God to be "All Mighty Eye In the Sky". In light of this (not so) new information, it is with a heavy heart I present you the following:

"The Roman Conspiracy To Create Jesus Christ"

Get a load of this: http://caesarsmessiahdoc.com/

It's going to be released in Beverly Hills, CA. September 28, 2012

The Second Coming of Christ Has Already Happened.

There is absolutely no denial after you grasp this. It may take you a few hours to finally get the gist of it, but once it hits you, it's a WHAM you'll never forget, and you'll never look at the Scriptures the same again.

The "Holy Trinity" .... "Vespasian - Titus - Domitian" .... All three became Emperors of Rome, and after Titus' death, Domitian constructed the "Arch of Titus":

Arch of Titus in Rome was constructed in 82 AD by the Roman Emperor Domitian shortly after the death of his older brother Titus to commemorate Titus’ victory in the Sack of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The Arch of Titus has provided the general model for many of the triumphal arches erected since the 16th century including the Arc de Triomphe.

The "Second Coming of Christ" was Titus' take down of Jerusalem, and the Son of God was memorialized with this mighty Arch. The second attempt was successful, and that was the Second Coming.

As seen here: http://www.touropia.com/ancient-roman-monuments/

The concept of a divine trinity consisting of a father, son and “Holy Ghost” – the Greek words actually mean “awful spirit” – comes from Josephus. Josephus applies the Jews’ messianic prophecies, not just to Vespasian, but to his dynasty. In other words the real trinity is Vespasian, his son Titus, and his son Domitian – the awful spirit.

Domitian was the "Holy Ghost" - The "Awful Spirit" who wanted to be recognized as a God himself.

In Greek evangelion, a technical term meaning “good news of military victory.” In English, it is translated as “gospel.”

The "Gospels" is nothing more than a military victory account of the Romans win of the Jewish. The New Testament was written by the Flavian Dynasty with the help of Josephus Flavius

For anyone who doubts that the Flavian's of the Roman Dynasty and Josephus were the ones that actually wrote the New Testament and created "Jesus", just take a moment out of your day and ask yourself why is the Bible so Antisemitic and so "Pro-Roman"? .... "Turn the other cheek" .... "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's", etc.

Now ask yourself if you've ever even noticed the book of "Romans" and the book of "Titus" in the NT? Now are you ready for the FACE PALM moment?

Why would a Jewish loving "God" dedicate in his written words, a book to "Romans" and another to "Titus"?

Go read Titus, and realize that it is actually Vespasian (God) giving the Son of God (Titus) instructions on how to teach the newly acquired slaves (Jewish after the Romans conquered them in the War) how to be obedient to their new masters (Vespasian and Titus).

The Original Jewish people had their own God, and he was David; a real Titan; a warrior; a man of war that even brought down Goliath and was soon to take the head off of Caesar (Dead Sea Scrolls), and there were many Jews amongst and within the Roman Empire who were gathering in groups discussing how their God "David" was coming soon to take the head off of Caesar. Nero didn't like this and called upon Vespasian who he had earlier exiled to return to the Empire and deal with this disobedient Jews, and he did along with his great warrior son Titus.

Vespasian and his son Titus went to Jerusalem and tried to bring down the city, but failed. That was the first coming of Jesus Christ (Titus). Vespasian was wounded and told his son Titus he MUST reenter Jerusalem and finally take her down and make all those unruly Jews submit to the Roman Empire, and Titus went back to Jerusalem and did just that.

Here's Part 1: and there are 5 parts total:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-8J7d1ZfRk&list=PL3735D891E0D23E15&index=1&feature=plpp_video

And that was the "Second Coming of Christ" aka "Titus".

The following account of Vespasian's triumph in Rome is provided to us by the Jewish historian, Josephus who was present at the festivities. His description not only provides insight into this victory celebration but also of the nature of other triumphs staged after a Roman victory. We join his story in the early morning hours of the day of the festivities:

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/rometriumph.htm

The Jews who submitted to their Master (God) and came to him through his Son (Titus) were allowed to enter the "Kingdom of God" aka "Heaven". Those that disobeyed were killed or not allowed inside the gates of Heaven (the new Jerusalem).

Now hopefully you understand why many Jewish people today do not believe in Jesus Christ; nor do they follow or praise him. Their God is "David" the great warrior and not the pacifistic "Jesus" that turned the other cheek and gave unto Caesar.

Use your head for a moment and realize the Jews and Romans were arch enemies. Do you really think their "God" would be a pacifistic tax slave? Or would he have been a Warrior?

The Romans created this "Jesus" character to hopefully teach the Jews to turn the other cheek; submit to authority; give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

Why would a real living God who's loving and caring order his followers to kill sinners and their children? Seriously think about this a moment: Would a loving God order the death of a child of a sinner? What did the child have to do with a mother infidelity? The child should not be held accountable for a parents sins, right?

Or did he (Vespasian aka God) order the killing of children so that one day they would not come back to revenge the death of their parents?

Why would a God demand sinners to bring their best Oxen and Cattle as a tribute to God as an offering for their sins? Could it be because there was nothing of more value that the Jews could afford? Why would it be easier for a Camel to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich man get into Heaven? Could it be, because Vespasian did not want anyone of wealth in that Kingdom but himself?

The Scriptures were back dated 40 years to the day that Titus took down Jerusalem. Remember that Jesus spoke of this real Messiah that would burn down the cities; surround Jerusalem and raze the Temple within that 40 year span. The Romans created "Jesus" and made him a passive and forgiving Messiah; one that would turn the other cheek and give unto Caesar that which was Caesars.

The supposed Crucifixion of Jesus Christ was a mockery to the Jews; the end of Christianity; the end of their messiah Jesus, and the acknowledgment of the REAL "Jesus Christ" that fulfilled all those prophesies that the Jews Jesus spoke of, and that REAL "Jesus Christ" was Titus, the Son of God (Vespasian).

They (the Romans-Flavian Caesars) wanted to be known as God (Vespasian) and the Son of God-Jesus Christ (Titus). The only way they could get the Jews to accept them as Gods was to get them to pray through this made up Jesus character they invented. The Jews would NEVER bow to a living man (Vespasian), but by bowing to "Jesus Christ", they were actually bowing to the Caesars of the Roman Empire. They wore a mask; created a strawman (Jesus). They did not care about the name; they knew that they created "Jesus", and when the Jews were bowing and praying to Him, that they were actually bowing to Vespasian and Titus.

I know this is a hard pill to swallow for Christians (myself included), but if you actually step away from the Bible and stop looking at it as some magical book, and read it in it's literal typological form, the truth is in plain sight for all to see.

The campaign of "Jesus" ministry and the campaign of Titus' war on the Jews are in perfect sequence with each other if you read Josephus' court of record of the Jewish-Roman War. Remember that Josephus was a Jewish General who was captured by Titus' Army; they spared him; he was a great mind and they had a use for him in the Empire. One record of events is totally dependent on the other; as in the ministry campaign of Jesus was actually created from Titus' campaign in his war on Jerusalem.

All "Religions" are total BS; they are meant to divide and conquer; to control the masses; to teach obedience to a master, and that master is Government.

Now you know why all the authors of the Bible never contradict each other; because it was written by a few men at the time; all in the same court.

"Jesus" spoke of his prophecy in 40 years (within his lifetime), not of 2000 years afterwards and beyond. The Flavian's back dated the Scriptures 40 years on purpose, so that when Titus actually brought down Jerusalem it would look as if HE was the real Christ.

The many "Anti-Christs" that will (already did) come, are actually nothing more than those who opposed Vespasian and Titus; they were non believers; must be possessed with demonic spirits since they did not believe in Jesus Christ (Titus). These disobedient slaves with demonic spirits were against "Anti" Jesus Christ aka Anti-Christs.

No one shall enter the Kingdom of God (Vespasian) without coming through his Son "Jesus Christ" which was actually Titus.

John 3:16

For God (Vespasian) so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son (Titus), that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Go read "Titus" at the end of the New Testament; then read Romans and Philemon where "Paul is a prisoner of Christ Jesus".

At the end of Revelation written by Josephus from the words of God (Vespasian), he warns anyone who alters the text will suffer the plagues described within.

Would a loving God actually do all those things to man just because he changes some text? Or is that the "Threat" of God (Vespasian) to anyone who would alter his words?

Now read Revelation 19:11 "The Rider on the White Horse"

I saw Heaven standing open (the walls of Jerusalem had holes in them from the battle and the gates were finally opened) and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe "dipped in blood" ...

Would a robe dipped in blood actually mean that the robe is Red or Scarlet?

A Roman Victory Parade was at hand; Titus was wearing his Victory Robe and the Victory Crown upon his head as he entered the gates of Heaven (The New Jerusalem).

Here's the famous painting on Joseph Atwill's facebook page:

The triumph was a gala affair. Presided over by Vespasian and Titus, it featured piles of booty, including gold relics taken from the destroyed Jewish Temple, paraded through the streets. Now you understand what the text means by "Streets of Gold".

Titus was the the Rider on the White Horse followed by the armies that followed him were on white horses and dressed in fine linen .... It was a VICTORY PARADE; the "Second Coming of Christ" had taken place; they were all celebrating and dressed for the occasion. It was now time for God (Vespasian) to take his Throne, and the Son of God (Titus) to be seated at his right hand.

"You are worthy to take the scroll and to open it's seals because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God..."

Titus was wounded in the war.

Once you tie the Scriptures to the Roman-Jewish War, it is plain as day.

Here's Josephus' account of the victory celebration first hand:

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/rometriumph.htm

The most precious of objects taken from Jerusalem were items from the Temple: the golden table on which the bread of the presence had been placed, the golden lampstand, or Menorah, the golden trumpets used in calling people to worship, and a copy of the Jewish Torah. Behind the wagons that carried these objects rode Vespasian, then Titus, with Domitian beside him. The triumphal procession ended at the temple of Jupiter Capitolinus where Simon, son of Gioras, who had been the Jewish general, was put to death before all of the citizens of Rome. All of this happened in 70 A.D. when Titus destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple of God.

If you will read the book in it's literary and typological sense, you will come to realize it was an account of what had happened THEN, not what would happen 2,000 years from THEN.

Listen to Joseph Atwill explain the truth about the "Jesus" character and how and why he was brought to life:

Here's another very good interview:

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/CaesarsMessiah

Look up his other interviews on YouTube as well.

Ask yourself one question: Why would a Book inspired by God himself who loved the Jewish people more than anything in the world or universe combined, dedicate a Chapter of His Book to the "Romans" and another to "Titus"?

Answer: Because the Flavian's created Christianity and with the help of Josephus Flavius, they created the character known as "Jesus Christ", and Titus himself fulfilled all the prophesies of THEIR creation, and his Father who is now known as God and accepted as God along with Titus who would now be accepted as "Jesus Christ" had fulfilled the prophecy of the "End Times", which was nothing more than the end of Jerusalem and the Messianic Christian Movement with the "Second Coming of Christ" aka "Titus".

As a tribute to their conquering victory of the Jews and to make sure everyone living at that time knew that Vespasian was to now be recognized as God and Titus as the Son of God aka Jesus Christ, they put it in plain sight for all to see in the book of Romans and the book of Titus.

In the book of Titus, Vespasian (God) is talking to his Son Titus (Jesus Christ) and instructing him on how to teach the new slaves (Jews) to be subservient and obedient to their new God.

Just read it; it's right there in the "Holy Bible" for all to see who the REAL God and the REAL Jesus Christ really is.

This is a good overview on Joe's Blog:

http://caesarsmessiah.com/blog/2011/04/caesars-messiah-a-summary-of-findings-by-john-hudson/

Once we break the chains of religion, the political structure of the world WILL change.

The Second Coming of Jesus Christ has already taken place; and the "End Times" are nothing more than the end of the militaristic-messianic movement of the Jews in about 70 CE (Common Era).

Now Here Is The Clincher Folks: Once you read this, it's the end of all discussion; the end of any rebuttal's of so called "Biblical Scholars" or "Bible Gurus" or "Paul and Jan Crouch on TBN"., and anyone else who tries to rebut Joseph Atwill's Revelation of this conspiracy.

What if you could witness with your very own eyes, a statement from "God" himself that admitted over 2,000 years ago that he "Had A Human Father That Disciplined Him"?

From this link here: PROOF: God (Vespasian) Himself Admits in the Scriptures to Having a "Human Father That Disciplined Him"

Here's your "PROOF" that the person you've been praying to all these years, is none other than the Roman Emperor "Vespasian Flavius" himself. And the Son of God we've all known as "Jesus Christ" is none other than "Titus Flavius", his son:

Hebrews 3:8 Warning Against Unbelief

"Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert"

Translation: Now that you see I am "God", do not harden your hearts (and minds) against me, like you "DID" during the rebellion. As in, I God and my Son Jesus Christ (Titus) conquered you all; you were once rebellious sinners, do not let that happen again.

"Did" is past tense people; it already happened.

Now onto another:

Hebrews 3:16

"Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?"

Translation: Aren't all of those sinners who rebelled against us in this battle, the same sinners who were led out of Egypt by Moses?

Again: It already happened.

And here's more:

Hebrews 9:12

"He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption"

Translation: Titus did not enter the Kingdom of Heaven (the new Jerusalem they had just conquered) by giving the blood sacrifices of goats and calves like the rest of you; he entered by the shedding of his own blood in the battle; he led the way, therefor is entitled to eternal redemption.

"Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Translation: Obey your new leaders and submit to their authority; they must account for you at all times, if you fail to obey them and make their lives difficult, you will surely pay.

"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the anti-christ"

Translation: The Jews who fled before and during the battle that did not believe that Vespasian was God and his Son Titus was our Lord Jesus Christ, are still out there in the world. Those such persons are considered to be Anti-Christs; non believers; they are against Titus; do not believe he is the Christ Jesus; they are "anti-Titus", therefor to be considered "anti-Christs".

I can go on and on and on and Onnnnnnnn. Once you realize the ministry campaign of the Jesus the Flavian's created is in sequence and dependent upon the military campaign of Titus (study the times and locations of both); you will see what actually happened. They simply back dated the Scriptures 40 years so that Titus was the one who fulfilled all the prophecies the "character Jesus" spoke of.

They killed two birds with one stone: They wrote in the Scriptures that 40 years ago their "Jesus Christ" who walked the earth prophesying of this great day Heaven would be restored on earth, was not the actual messiah; but an impostor; the wannabe messiah. It is apparent that he was not the messiah Jesus, because he was slain and hanged on a Cross for all the world to see (although no one from that generation was actually there to see the event take place); that his father "God" he spoke of was not some eye in the sky; it was actually Vespasian; and the REAL messiah was now proven to the world to be Titus "Jesus Christ". Titus is the one who opened the gates to heaven (Jerusalem); Titus is the one who commanded the armies circle Jerusalem; Titus is the one who razed the Temple; Titus is the one who cast the Devil (the General who was the leader of the opposition; the HEAD of the non-believers; the MAIN Anti-Christ himself) into the pits of hell (the river burning with ashes from wood and rubble from the 47 days of war).

It was Titus who fulfilled all the prophecies this "fake messiah" spoke of 40 years earlier; it was Vespasian who took the throne as God, and his Son of man Titus aka Jesus Christ was the sword swinging warrior that made it all happen under his command.

If you study the Arch of Titus, you can see that the Scriptures are the literary version of the historic monument.

Titus fulfilled the prophecies the "fake Jesus" spoke of, therefor he MUST be the real Christ Jesus, not the one that supposedly hung on a cross 40 years earlier.

Lets go all the way back to Genesis 1:26 shall we?

"Then God said let us make man in our image, in our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the live-stock, over the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground"

Question: Who is "us" and "our"? Could that be Vespasian speaking? Telling his sons and others that we will make man in our image (Romans), and he will RULE over the earth?

Catholic = Universal

Now onto :27

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them"

Now onto :28

"God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground"

Pause: In verse 27, God created man ... In verse 28, he blessed them and said to them ...

So if God already created man; already blessed them instructed them to be fruitful and increase in numbers, then why in Genesis 2:5 under Adam and Eve, it says:

"there was no man to work the ground" and in 2:7 it goes on to say:

"the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and then man became a living being"

But I thought he had already created man?

Look, the Flavian's had to stop the militant-messianic Jewish movement of the day. Their God or "messiah" was David; the David that defeated Goliath. He was a warrior; a killer; he took the head off of David, and was coming to take the head off Caesar(s). The Flavian's had to 'high-jack' the Torah and the information in the Dead Sea Scrolls; the Old Testament, and twist it up; reword it and lead the text of the Old into the text of the New Testament. Nero did not like this movement of disobedient Jews to the Roman Empire and called upon Vespasian to quash it. He brought his son Titus and did just that.

The engravings on the Arch of Titus show him bringing back a copy of the Torah to the City of Rome along with the trumpets used to call the Jews to prayer; the golden lamp, etc. They used the wealth they had stolen to build the famous "Colosseum".

And again, the Million Dollar Question:

Can a REAL God have a Human Father?

Excerpt from the passage "God Disciplines His Son(s)"

NOW HERE'S THE PUNCHLINE PEOPLE!

Further down the passage in Hebrews 12:9 God (Vespasian) says:

"Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us, and we respect them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness"

Here Vespasian is stating "we have all had human fathers who disciplined us", but now that I am the true living God of Heaven (the new Jerusalem), I will discipline you for your good, so that you may share in my holiness.

Then in Hebrews 3:12 prior to that he even states:

"See to it brothers that none of you has a sinful unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God"

Do you see the Vanity?

The Million Dollar Question: Did or does a REAL God have a human father?

This is the beauty of this statement: I didn't say that; you didn't say that; Joe Atwill didn't say that; no other internet guru or biblical scholar said that; Fred Flintstone or Robert Price didn't say that.

Forget any other arguments from anyone else, and rebut the words of God Himself as written in Hebrews 12:9 above.

Who dares to rebut the words of "God" himself?

This is not Atwill's argument; it is MINE. I have never heard it brought up before (God Punishes His Sons), that God (Vespasian) admitted to having a Human Father Who Disciplined Him. If someone has brought it up before, please post it in the comment section below to correct me.

Again: Who on this board dares to question the Word Of God Himself when he states plainly and clearly in the Scriptures that he himself at one time had a Human Father That Disciplined Him?

When the Christian Community at large realizes the "God" they've been praying to, is none other than Vespasian Flavius and his "Son of man" aka "Son of God" aka "Jesus Christ" is none other than Titus Flavius, what will be the repercussions? The Roman Cult/Empire has had a strong hold on the majority of the planet for centuries, all because of their grand conspiracy to alter the messianic-militant movement of the Jewish people over 2,000 years ago.

Check Mate.

MoonRover · August 4, 2012

:blink: well hells bells..... I would take the time to refute this garbage, but my time is worth money and you don't make that kind of money.

PS follow the money trail or in this scenario follow the authors.

Edited August 4, 2012 by MoonRover

CarbonCoyote · August 4, 2012

well hells bells..... I would take the time to refute this garbage, but my time is worth money and you don't make that kind of money.

Please take the time to refute the word of God himself as stated in the Holy Bible, I would love to see you attempt that one.

Further down the passage in Hebrews 12:9 God (Vespasian) says:

"Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us, and we respect them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness"

Here Vespasian is stating "we have all had human fathers who disciplined us", but now that I am the true living God of Heaven (the new Jerusalem), I will discipline you for your good, so that you may share in my holiness.

Then in Hebrews 3:12 prior to that he even states:

"See to it brothers that none of you has a sinful unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God"

Do you see the Vanity?

The Million Dollar Question: Did or does a REAL God have a human father?

It's the 800 lb. Gorilla in the Room, do you care to address it old wise one?

jonjon · August 4, 2012

Oh, That's nice that's real nice.

CarbonCoyote · August 4, 2012

And for the record: I forgot to post this in my original post, but I do believe in God, and until someone can prove otherwise, I will continue to believe in him (whoever he may be). But I can no longer invest my beliefs in "this God" and "this Christ" that I've now found out were a creation of the Roman Empire just to high-jack the Jewish Christian movement back then.

It is now time to search for the REAL God, but I can tell you this: The God and Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible are a high-jacking creation of the Roman Empire and the lie lives on today.

I'd rather find this information now, than to face the REAL God one day and have to explain why I spent all those years idolizing a False God.

God Bless.

cajunrescuemedic · August 4, 2012

Sorry, I choose to believe in Jesus Christ.

tim228 · August 4, 2012

a=x

a+a=a+x add "a"

2a=a+x

2a-2x=a+x-2x subtract 2x

2a-2x=a-x next, divide by a-x

2=1

Your "Proof" is a bogus as my proof that 2=1. And why on earth would you ever post something that long when trying to prove your point. People really dont want to read that much.

magawatt · August 4, 2012

Any article with that many "air quotes" is flawed for sure.

CarbonCoyote · August 4, 2012

Sorry, I choose to believe in Jesus Christ.

That is your choice, I'm not telling you not to.

a=x

a+a=a+x add "a"

2a=a+x

2a-2x=a+x-2x subtract 2x

2a-2x=a-x next, divide by a-x

2=1

Your "Proof" is a bogus as my proof that 2=1. And why on earth would you ever post something that long when trying to prove your point. People really dont want to read that much.

Please take the time to refute the word of God himself as stated in the Holy Bible, I would love to see you attempt that one.

Further down the passage in Hebrews 12:9 God (Vespasian) says:

"Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us, and we respect them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness"

Here Vespasian is stating "we have all had human fathers who disciplined us", but now that I am the true living God of Heaven (the new Jerusalem), I will discipline you for your good, so that you may share in my holiness.

Then in Hebrews 3:12 prior to that he even states:

"See to it brothers that none of you has a sinful unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God"

Do you see the Vanity?

The Million Dollar Question: Did or does a REAL God have a human father?

It's the 800 lb. Gorilla in the Room, do you care to address it old wise one?

CRYPTO REWARDS!

Here's Your "PROOF" There Is No Jesus Christ:

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