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Hey Tiff... when I saw this thread I knew you'd be all over it girl, lol.... Oneday you are just gonna have to come to the conclusion that a vast majority of straight people think the *** lifestyle is an unnatural lifestyle and though we may socialize and be friends with gays there comes a point where we get tired of it being shoved down our throats.... We have rights too and it is starting to feel like white christians are the ones being forced the most to give up rights.... BTW, if there is no hate or violence involved then this is NOT a hate group, just a group of individuals that have their own standards and moral code and it is not anyone's place to take that from them..

Renee..you know I luv ya...but if you think YOU as a straight person get tired of *** people shoving (pun not intended I hope) things down your throat...think what it’s like for me as a lesbian to live in a primarily straight world?

Really…honestly, think about it…how often do you actually deal with any thing dealing with *** or the *** lifestyle in your average daily life?

Other than this site..really, when do you ever run into it?

Now, as a h o m o…guess how many times I run into ideology that doesn’t accept my “unnatural” way of life? I bet I have a just a tad bit more bumps in my road than you do Sister.

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Hey Tiff... when I saw this thread I knew you'd be all over it girl, lol.... Oneday you are just gonna have to come to the conclusion that a vast majority of straight people think the *** lifestyle is an unnatural lifestyle and though we may socialize and be friends with gays there comes a point where we get tired of it being shoved down our throats.... We have rights too and it is starting to feel like white christians are the ones being forced the most to give up rights.... BTW, if there is no hate or violence involved then this is NOT a hate group, just a group of individuals that have their own standards and moral code and it is not anyone's place to take that from them..

Yeppers I agree Bama :twothumbs: My *** friends no better than to try and convince me they are right and I'm wrong, so they keep their sexual preferences to themselves, which is where they belong. At the same time I don't run thru the streets in my butterfly costume screaming hey I'm straight and here to stay look at me everyone, or try to convince them they are wrong. Unless it has a negative impact on myself or my family I'm a very tolerant guy and prefer being left in peace.

Tiff,

Comparing the KKK to the BSA is not the same in anyway shape or form. The KKK does hate blacks and gays, and they preach and teach it, the blacks and gays certainly don't want to join them and try to force their ideas upon them for obvious reasons. The BSA teaches respect for others, reverence to God, loyalty to country, helpfulness, self reliance, honesty, etc. etc. by no means can they be classified as a hate group. Just because they don't want gays in their private organization doesn't mean they are on a witch hunt, they are not trying to force their beliefs on anyone, they are not breaking any laws, (actually it's quite the opposite), they do a tremendous amount for parks, community, needy, and so on. No where in the BSA is anyone teaching hatred or intolerance for gays or atheists it appears now to be the other way around. They have a set of guidelines that has worked for them since their beginning and have no need to change it to bend to the will of a minority group trying to push it's ideals down their throats which they don't agree with. Scouts aren't taught to hate anyone, it's quite the opposite. Cub scout motto: I, __________________ promise to do my best, to do my duty to God and my country, to help other people and obey the law of the pack. You can see why right there, from my earlier post, where an atheist would have issues in the BSA, as this would be a promise they couldn't keep, but the BSA isn't out trying to recruit atheists so they can force them to believe in God. If this particular scout leader would have kept her sexual preferences to herself, which is where she should keep them, at least relating to an organization that is clearly against that life style, especially one dealing with children, this would've never been an issue, so obviously she was and is trying to turn it in to one.

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I am sorry for what you go through Tiff but I go through things myself, just because you're g a y does not give you the most right to lifes bumps, it happens to everyone for millions of different reasons.... The point is the BSA does not condone the g a y lifestyle and since they are a private organization and not federally funded then no one should have the right to force them to let them in if they are refused membership..

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agree with posters that say start their own club, maybe FSA.... friendly scouts of america. :D . I bar tended for a number of years in dallas, and on wednesdays if available my girlfriend and I would go to straight night in the *** district. loved to dance and loved the music offered there. The club named it straight night not us, regardless...had more than one occasion in which I was made aware that I shouldn't be there BECAUSE of my orientation.

I didn't fight,i didn't go to the papers nor did I protest. I simplely stopped going. The club wanted to make money and the customers wanted a place of THEIR own. I think that fair and respected their wishes.

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Hmmm...Ok. Let's see where we are.

I've agreed that a private organization should be able to do what it wants. Really, check my second post. So I'm not argument that. Promise to God :)

I've also shown scientific evidence that G are no more likely to molest children than straight people.

I've also said that if G acts in non acceptable behavior, they should :butt-kicking:

I've also shown that G men checking out straight guys is kind of how women feel around guys. And we put up with it every day. Welcome to our world. Boys will be Boys, whether they are G or straight.

And finally, I've shown that G & L have to put up with a lot more social "grief" in a straight world than vice versa.

But will all that, the only thing I keep hearing is Yea...but we have the right to have exclusive clubs. Yea...well...I got it..see my first sentence. <_<

Just because you have the right, doesn't mean that it's a good idea.

To be honest, and I don't mean to be mean spirited, but I know I'm addressing an older crowd. You guys aren't up for this level of change. Ok...that's fine. But I can tell you most (not all) men and women my age would laugh at this thread..they have NO problem with G. So in another 10 years, this won't be but a small foot note in the march to equality for everyone.

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Swan, I think this one's hopeless. These are the same people who most likely have a problem with interracial relationships and think those are "unnatural" as well. Bigotry is bigotry, and they just love to use the good ol boy "it's a private organization" excuse to justify it. While it is their right just like any other private group, not allowing gays into their little club is no different than not allowing other minorities. This is what their "god" teaches them. It's ingrained in them. They're actually ignorant enough to believe that it's "unnatural", ironic that some people who think this way have no issue with inbreeding though. Just have to sit back and wait for evolution to weed these people out of existence. Just look at the hypocrites who complain about gays "parading" themselves around and putting their business in everyone's face, when at the same time you can't turn on your tv and not see some form of straight sexuality being "paraded" to the public. But oh no, show 2 guys or 2 women kissing and all of a sudden they're pushing their agenda on the public. The people who complain about the pride parades are the same people that complain about BET and Telemundo as if they're being disadvantaged somehow. They seem to take an issue with the minority getting recognition, while at the same time forgetting about the majority they belong to.

There are no feelings of shame that have been externally put on straight people, so when any group that unfortunately has had this happen to them promotes their stance. They do it because they are tired of feeling shamed and want to show others it's ok to be themselves. straight people don't have to do this because "good christians" have never walked around with picket signs saying "god hates straight people". So they cant even relate. It is no different from other various civil rights movements. Most of these closet bigots will say things like "ya, I have nothing against them as long as they don't bring it up and mind their own business" Meanwhile they'll high five with their buddies at the local strip club admiring each others sexual conquests and fantasy wish lists putting their business out.

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You know what NEO? In my opinion you are one of the most prejudice people on this forum... You and all your 'open mindedness' is a farce and hypocritical... you talk down to and say anyone that doesn't agree with how you think is ignorant, that is the anti-thesis of being open minded and it is fast becoming how I see alot of liberal open minded people act... Just because some of us are honest and admit we don't agree with everyones lifestyle does not make us ignorant.... No need responding to me, I will not be engaging you... it is pointless and a waste of my time.

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You know what NEO? In my opinion you are one of the most prejudice people on this forum... You and all your 'open mindedness' is a farce and hypocritical... you talk down to and say anyone that doesn't agree with how you think is ignorant, that is the anti-thesis of being open minded and it is fast becoming how I see alot of liberal open minded people act... Just because some of us are honest and admit we don't agree with everyones lifestyle does not make us ignorant.... No need responding to me, I will not be engaging you... it is pointless and a waste of my time.

Well said Bama I agree 100% with your assessment of NEO and it is a waste of time to discuss anything with him, so we may as well leave him alone, living in his parents basement, drinking gatorade, realizing 8th grade was the best 3 years of his life.

As far as God fearing, gun loving, straight couples becoming extinct NEO, sorry not gonna happen. Your crowd and it's lousy, well non existent moral standards, is taking this country down the tube, but you are still outnumbered and we are getting real tired of bending to the will of a bunch of government free loaders, sitting around thinking everything needs to be fair and politically correct and trying to push your agenda on everyone else. You sir, are the group that will bring itself to extinction. Like Bama said don't even bother responding to me either because I could really care less what you think about anything. I don't take advice from people who don't have any to give and a complete lack of common sense.

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This discussion makes me sad and a little sick.

I started Cub Scouts as a little girl of 6. I moved into Girl Scouts and stayed with the organization until I was well into my teens. I am proud to support the Girl and Boy Scouts of America. You know why? Because it was a time when life was innocent and beautiful. I remember working hard for badges, learning to camp, build a fire, tie knots, care for nature, help my neighbors, etc. These are some of the very best memories of my childhood. We prayed together and yes, even pledged allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. Never once did we have to worry or even discuss sexuality, bisexuality, or homosexuality. You know why?

BECAUSE IT WAS A TIME WHEN LIFE WAS INNOCENT AND BEAUTIFUL.

Leave BSA/GSA alone. Let children be children for just a little while.

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It is wrong and I would not have let my child lay down in a pup tent with a homosexual. As a parent we have an obligation to what we let our children get exposed to and it is our choice. This is an abomination to God. Some of these are sick and some of these do this evil by choice. I pray that God will have mercy on their soul. The United States of America was founded for freedom of religion. Our Constitution wrote by guide lines of God’s Holy word. In God we trust is on our money. We are a Christian nation and believe in God the Father God the son and God the Holy Ghost and these three are one. Jesus Christ died for your sins for anyone that will believe it and accept this free gift that God offers, eternal life to live in Heaven with our perfect and Holy God.

The United States is a great Nation made that way by our belief in God almighty and by our nation blessing Israel.

God Bless America

This discussion makes me sad and a little sick.

I started Cub Scouts as a little girl of 6. I moved into Girl Scouts and stayed with the organization until I was well into my teens. I am proud to support the Girl and Boy Scouts of America. You know why? Because it was a time when life was innocent and beautiful. I remember working hard for badges, learning to camp, build a fire, tie knots, care for nature, help my neighbors, etc. These are some of the very best memories of my childhood. We prayed together and yes, even pledged allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. Never once did we have to worry or even discuss sexuality, bisexuality, or homosexuality. You know why?

BECAUSE IT WAS A TIME WHEN LIFE WAS INNOCENT AND BEAUTIFUL.

Leave BSA/GSA alone. Let children be children for just a little while.

Amen sister

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Would seem there is more to this story than I thought at first blush...it's a political move in support of two of the BSA biggest supporters.

The politics behind the Boy Scouts of America's anti-*** ban

Eventually, decline will weaken the hold of Mormon and Catholic sponsors and the Boy Scouts' homophobic policy will change

Congratulations to the Boy Scouts of America for emphatically reaffirming their policy banning gays earlier this week – despite historical evidence that this strategy for preventing child sexual abuse will earn them the same success rate as Penn State football and the Roman Catholic Church.

This is a point of fact, not mere conjecture. Because the Scouts are already, despite their very best efforts at concealment, on the record as having had similar difficulties as those other allegedly ***-free institutions with sexual abusers among the men it has entrusted with its youth. And for similar reasons. Not because the molesters were "***" – in fact, LGBT people make up a fraction of child abusers and the sexual preferences of the sick, primarily male adults who molest children skew towards age rather than gender – but because the organization's leaders refused to discipline the child abusers in its midst or to involve the police, long past the time when they knew of instances of sexual abuse.

In fact, the smoking gun in the most recent of the many cases filed against the Scouts by former members for failing to protect them from predatory leaders was the Scouts' own "perversion files". These privately kept documents, over 20,000 pages of them, detail accusations and investigations of sexual abuse and other improprieties by 1,200 Boy Scout leaders across the United States from 1965 to 1985 – as well as what the organization did and did not do to protect their youth once cases of abuse were known to them. The files were never meant to see the light of day, and the Scouts fought hard, and unsuccessfully, to prevent them from being released after the trial, which resulted in an $18.5m punitive judgment against the Boy Scouts of America, the largest finding ever against the Scouts in a sex case jury trial.

An impressive piece of investigative reporting by the Oregonian during the trial documents numerous incidents where Scout officials allowed known abuse to continue. They ignored reports about William E Tobiassen, a longtime Scout leader with sons of his own, for more than two years. The abuse was only exposed "when the teenagers told a counselor and then police what had happened. Even then, internal memos show, the Scouts executive overseeing Tobiassen didn't want to ban him from scouting until there were formal charges."

Oregon has no law mandating Scouts to report their suspicions to authorities (in contrast to teachers, doctors and others), and national headquarters was quick to advise the Oregon Scouts of their legal right to keep that information confidential. Not coincidentally, secret files obtained by the Oregonian during its investigation show no record of Scout leaders alerting authorities to adults suspected of sexually abusing youth in at least 11 other instances.

There are remarkable similarities between the Boy Scouts' and the Roman Catholic church's handling of the sexual abusers in their midst. Both institutions documented numerous instances of abuse, failed either to discipline the adults involved or alert the authorities, and then decided, as the church did in 2002, at the height of its own sexual abuse scandal, that gays were the problem.

Which brings us closer to the heart of the matter. Ignore all of the Scouts' official mumbo-jumbo about the (unidentified) leaders who comprised the special committee of top Scout leaders that made this decision, especially the part about their alleged "diversity of perspectives and opinions". As the LA Times notes, what's really happening here is a business decision about the organization's sustainability, driven by the influence of two of the Scouts' most powerful benefactors: the Roman Catholic and Mormon churches. About 400,000 of the 2.7 million members left in the dwindling organization, "belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", which "encourages members to become involved in the Boy Scouts, and has its own section on the Boy Scouts of America webpage.

Counter-balancing the homophobia and financial clout of the Roman Catholic and Mormon churches are the ***-friendly policies and financial clout of board members like Ernst & Young and AT&T, both of which have expressed their reservations with the Scouts' ongoing anti-*** policies. As in all politics, when the importance of continuing to receive such sponsors' money outweighs the churches' clout, the Scouts' policy will change. Good luck with that, boys.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/18/politics-behind-boy-scouts-america-anti-***-ban

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Tiff,

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up child abuse stats as they are really not relevant to this subject. The question at hand is should the BSA be forced to allow a life choice they don't believe in into their organization not if they won't because they are worried about *** men molesting kids. To totally different things. You said that you agreed it was their right to do so.

This is getting polled right now on the MSN home website and those saying the BSA should allow gays are getting creamed by the ones saying no way! My faith in America is being restored! :lol::lol:

Diddle and Ricky well said, thanks for the input

This also has nothing to do with politics whatsoever it was started over 2 years ago!

The Boy Scouts convened a committee of 11 volunteers and professional leaders to decide whether the policy was still in the organization’s best interests after a resolution was put forward to reconsider it, the private group said in a statement that was first reported by The Associated Press. The nearly two-year-long review began in 2010.

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It is wrong and I would not have let my child lay down in a pup tent with a homosexual. As a parent we have an obligation to what we let our children get exposed to and it is our choice. This is an abomination to God. Some of these are sick and some of these do this evil by choice. I pray that God will have mercy on their soul. The United States of America was founded for freedom of religion. Our Constitution wrote by guide lines of God’s Holy word. In God we trust is on our money. We are a Christian nation and believe in God the Father God the son and God the Holy Ghost and these three are one. Jesus Christ died for your sins for anyone that will believe it and accept this free gift that God offers, eternal life to live in Heaven with our perfect and Holy God.

The United States is a great Nation made that way by our belief in God almighty and by our nation blessing Israel.

God Bless America

Amen sister

I'm having a hard time with this post. Is it the homophobia that is making me sick or is the milestone of ignorance that makes me even more sick? Hmmmm…maybe both, but it does most assuredly make me want to vomit, that much I can tell you. Your misperception of reality borders on pure weirdness. :wacko:

Freud defined denial as the refusal to recognize the existence or truth of unwelcome facts, and classified it among the defense mechanisms we unconsciously employ to protect oneself from anxiety or distress. You Sir, have a major case of denial

But, I guess, when it is all said and done, the one thing that I think of when I read this dribble, is, well...to be frank: Isn't there a goat somewhere that he needs to deworm?

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<br />You know what NEO? In my opinion you are one of the most prejudice people on this forum... You and all your 'open mindedness' is a farce and hypocritical... you talk down to and say anyone that doesn't agree with how you think is ignorant, that  is the anti-thesis of being open minded and it is fast becoming how I see alot of liberal open minded people act... Just because some of us are honest and admit we don't agree with everyones lifestyle does not make us ignorant.... No need responding to me, I will not be engaging you... it is pointless and a waste of my time.<br />
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No argument there bamagirl, I'm extremely prejudiced against bigots and proud to say so. Disliking good people or claiming someone is "unnatural" because of how they were born is bigotry. Plain and simple. Claiming you have an issue with gays is no different than claiming you have an issue with skin color. I don't care what you think your god tells you It's ignorance at it's finest. You can be honest and open about your bigotry all you want bamagirl, I still don't respect your stance on the subject in the least and I have the right just as you to be open about that. If "open mindedness" in your opinion means respecting open bigotry because some nuts are honest about their prejudices, sorry but I'm close minded on that subject. You can be open minded and accept racism and prejudice all you want. It's a free country.

<br />Well said Bama I agree 100% with your assessment of NEO and it is a waste of time to discuss anything with him, so we may as well leave him alone, living in his parents basement, drinking gatorade, realizing 8th grade was the best 3 years of his life. <br /><br />As far as God fearing, gun loving, straight couples becoming extinct NEO, sorry not gonna happen.  Your crowd and it's lousy, well non existent moral standards, is taking this country down the tube, but you are still outnumbered and we are getting real tired of bending to the will of a bunch of government free loaders, sitting around thinking everything needs to be fair and politically correct and trying to push your agenda on everyone else.  You sir, are the group that will bring itself to extinction.  Like Bama said don't even bother responding to me either because I could really care less what you think about anything.  I don't take advice from people who don't have any to give and a complete lack of common sense.<br />
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Wow, what typical god fearing response there DDS. You're so original. In likewise poorly assumed fashion I would still venture to say "living in my parents basement, drinking gatorade" is still much better than being married to my sister. I could be wrong though, you seem like a happy camper. Anyways…..

Speaking of 8th grade, I suggest you work on your comprehension there friend. I never said straight couples are going to become extinct. Only that "god fearing" bigots will. It's Just a matter of time. Don't get mad at me I didn't make the rules, it's just evolution, ya know something else the bible didn't teach you. Not so sure we're outnumbered at all, if we were I seriously doubt obama would have been elected at all. The trend of religious and prejudicial ignorance is ending fast. Thats why you and others who think like you are so petrified of the "direction the country is going" You reek of fear and I suppose for good reason. Your crowd is starting to dwindle. You see yourselves inevitably becoming the vast fringe minority and this scares you terribly because you know no matter how many guns you collect you're powerless against the changing of good ol "god fearing, gun toting, anglo, straight america.

As far as the government freeloaders? What, you mean all the red state conservatives who are responsible for the majority of the government "freeloading" in this country?? You mean them? They're part of your "crowd" genius just look at the statistics. if you think people who think like me are going extinct, I would suggest looking at the stats and looking at your own fears. they'll tell you all you need to know. There's a bigger world out there than the extreme conservative shelter you escape to here.

As far as not wanting to respond to you, like bama perhaps you should have thought of that before you decided to open your mouth as if you had something worthwhile to spew in the first place. Keep the fear of god alive there buddy. good day.

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No argument there bamagirl, I'm extremely prejudiced against bigots and proud to say so. Disliking good people or claiming someone is "unnatural" because of how they were born is bigotry. Plain and simple. Claiming you have an issue with gays is no different than claiming you have an issue with skin color. I don't care what you think your god tells you It's ignorance at it's finest. You can be honest and open about your bigotry all you want bamagirl, I still don't respect your stance on the subject in the least and I have the right just as you to be open about that. If "open mindedness" in your opinion means respecting open bigotry because some nuts are honest about their prejudices, sorry but I'm close minded on that subject. You can be open minded and accept racism and prejudice all you want. It's a free country.

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Wow, what typical god fearing response there DDS. You're so original. In likewise poorly assumed fashion I would still venture to say "living in my parents basement, drinking gatorade" is still much better than being married to my sister. I could be wrong though, you seem like a happy camper. Anyways…..

Speaking of 8th grade, I suggest you work on your comprehension there friend. I never said straight couples are going to become extinct. Only that "god fearing" bigots will. It's Just a matter of time. Don't get mad at me I didn't make the rules, it's just evolution, ya know something else the bible didn't teach you. Not so sure we're outnumbered at all, if we were I seriously doubt obama would have been elected at all. The trend of religious and prejudicial ignorance is ending fast. Thats why you and others who think like you are so petrified of the "direction the country is going" You reek of fear and I suppose for good reason. Your crowd is starting to dwindle. You see yourselves inevitably becoming the vast fringe minority and this scares you terribly because you know no matter how many guns you collect you're powerless against the changing of good ol "god fearing, gun toting, anglo, straight america.

As far as the government freeloaders? What, you mean all the red state conservatives who are responsible for the majority of the government "freeloading" in this country?? You mean them? They're part of your "crowd" genius just look at the statistics. if you think people who think like me are going extinct, I would suggest looking at the stats and looking at your own fears. they'll tell you all you need to know. There's a bigger world out there than the extreme conservative shelter you escape to here.

As far as not wanting to respond to you, like bama perhaps you should have thought of that before you decided to open your mouth as if you had something worthwhile to spew in the first place. Keep the fear of god alive there buddy. good day.

Crazy, hmmm maybe you are right............at my level of ignorance all I can get out of your post is BLAH BLAH BLAH I'm a completely dillusional idiot BLAH BLAH...

That's strange Oh well, good day to you too and keep living the dream, tell mom & dad I said hi! :rolleyes:

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<br />Crazy, hmmm maybe you are right............at my level of ignorance all I can get out of your post is BLAH BLAH BLAH I'm a completely dillusional idiot BLAH BLAH... <br />That's strange Oh well, good day to you too and keep living the dream, tell mom & dad I said hi!   <img src='http://dinarvets.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /><br />
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Lol! I guess you couldn't keep your panties on huh? Yeah I tend to do that to people. Thanks I will, tell your sister um I mean wife I said hi as well. Take care.

****Crossed the line one too many times NEODinar - another remark like this and I will ban you from this forum! ****

Maybe a little time out will help you understand that downtown Chicago talk is not appropriate for this forum.

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I'm having a hard time with this post. Is it the homophobia that is making me sick or is the milestone of ignorance that makes me even more sick? Hmmmm…maybe both, but it does most assuredly make me want to vomit, that much I can tell you. Your misperception of reality borders on pure weirdness. :wacko:

Freud defined denial as the refusal to recognize the existence or truth of unwelcome facts, and classified it among the defense mechanisms we unconsciously employ to protect oneself from anxiety or distress. You Sir, have a major case of denial

But, I guess, when it is all said and done, the one thing that I think of when I read this dribble, is, well...to be frank: Isn't there a goat somewhere that he needs to deworm?

No denial or weirdness here, just stating my opinion as an biblical based adult who believes Gods word. I have a *** in my family and I don't hate him I love and care about this nephew as I do my other nephews. I have prayed that he will change his life style. But I don't think he can help who he is as far as being ***. He is not but suppose he wanted to be a scout troop leader, and was accepted in the scouts to do so, over a peiod ot time he may say over and over to young children that it is ok to be ***. Is that what they are in the scouts for? No it is not. How many children might he affect as to accepting the *** life style because of this. It is unnatural life style. Even in the animal world do you see two males or two females trying to mate. Black Swan if you are *** I have not tried intentionally said anything to hurt anyone personally. This is my opinion based on gods word.

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<br />No denial or weirdness here, just stating my opinion as an biblical based adult who believes Gods word. I have a *** in my family and I don't hate him I love and care about this nephew as I do my other nephews. I have prayed that he will change his life style. But I don't think he can help who he is as far as being ***. He is not but suppose he wanted to be a scout troop leader, and was accepted in the scouts to do so, over a peiod ot time he may say over and over to young children that it is ok to be ***. Is that what they are in the scouts for? No it is not. How many children might he affect as to accepting the *** life style because of this. It is unnatural life style. Even in the animal world do you see two males or two females trying to mate. Black Swan if you are *** I have not tried intentionally said anything to hurt anyone personally.  This is my opinion based on gods word.<br />
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Well you might want to ask your god why he made your nephew ***. Just a thought, I mean as a "biblical based adult who believes in the word of god" you must know that according to you your bible, your god is all knowing, meaning regardless of free will he knew your nephew would end up ***. If your god was against homosexuality he must be schizophrenic because he sure does make a lot of them. Just sayin

"Even in the animal world do you see two males or two females trying to mate. "

Um yes, actually you do, homosexuality is prevalent in many non human animals. Don't let the bible fool you.

And what is with all the *** censoring? What is the word "***" blasphemous now? Doesn't it also mean happy lol!

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. Even in the animal world do you see two males or two females trying to mate.

Hmmm...well, actually quite a few according to this site:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

List of animals displaying homosexual behavior

Bison[i'

Brown Bear[

Brown Rat[

Caribou[

Cat (domestic)[

Cattle (domestic)[

Chimpanzee[

Common Dolphin[26]

Common Marmoset[27]

Dog[28]

Elephant[29]

Fox[30]

Giraffe[31][3][32]

Goat[16]

Horse (domestic)[33]

Human[34][35][36]

Koala[37]

Lion[34]

Orca[26]

Raccoon[38]

[edit] Birds

Barn Owl[39]

Chicken[40]

Common Gull[41]

Emu[42]

King Penguin[43]

Mallard[44]

Raven[45]

Seagull[46]

Amazon molly[48]

Blackstripe topminnow[49]

Bluegill Sunfish[49]

Char[47]

Grayling[47]

European Bitterling[50]

Green swordtail[50]

Guiana leaffish[51]

Houting Whitefish[47]

Jewel Fish[52]

Least Darter (Microperca punctulata)[50]

Mouthbreeding Fish sp.[49]

Salmon spp.[53]

Southern platyfish[50]

Ten-spined stickleback[50]

Three-spined stickleback[50]

Anole sp.[54]

Bearded Dragon[55]

Broad-headed Skink[50]

Checkered Whiptail Lizard[55]

Chihuahuan Spotted Whiptail Lizard[55]

Common Ameiva[55]

Common Garter Snake[50]

Cuban Green Anole[54]

Desert Grassland Whiptail Lizard[55]

Desert Tortoise[56]

Fence Lizard[55]

Five-lined Skink[disambiguation needed][50]

Gopher (Pine) Snake[49]

Green Anole[54]

Inagua Curlytail Lizard[55]

Jamaican Giant Anole[54]

Laredo Striped Whiptail Lizard[55]

Largehead Anole[54]

Mourning Gecko[57]

Plateau Striped Whiptail Lizard[55]

Red Diamond Rattlesnake[50]

Red-tailed Skink[50]

Side-blotched Lizard[55]

Speckled Rattlesnake[50]

Water Moccasin[50]

Western rattlesnake (Crotalus viridis)[50]

Western Banded Gecko[57]

Whiptail Lizard spp.[55]

Wood Turtle[54]

Appalachian Woodland Salamander[58]

Black-spotted Frog[59]

Mountain Dusky Salamander[58]

Tengger Desert Toad[54]

Alfalfa Weevil[60]

Australian Parasitic Wasp sp.[60]

Bean Weevil sp.[60]

Bedbug and other Bug spp.[61][62]

Blister Beetle spp.[63]

Blowfly[63]

Broadwinged Damselfly sp.[64]

Cabbage (Small) White (Butterfly)[65]

Checkerspot Butterfly[65]

Club-tailed Dragonfly spp.[66]

Cockroach spp.[67]

Common Skimmer Dragonfly spp.[66]

Creeping Water Bug sp.[68]

Cutworm[69]

Digger Bee[70]

Dragonfly spp.[66]

Eastern Giant Ichneumon Wasp[60]

Eucalyptus Longhorned Borer[68]

Field Cricket sp.[71]

Flour Beetle[72]

Fruit Fly spp.[73]

Glasswing Butterfly[65]

Grape Berry Moth[74]

Grape Borer[68]

Green Lacewing[75]

Hen Flea[75]

House Fly[76]

Ichneumon wasp sp.[60]

Japanese Scarab Beetle[77]

Larch Bud Moth[74]

Large Milkweed Bug[62]

Large White[62]

Long-legged Fly spp.[78]

Mazarine Blue[62]

Mediterranean Fruit Fly[73]

Mexican White (butterfly)[62]

Midge sp.[78]

Migratory Locust[79]

Monarch Butterfly[65]

Narrow-winged Damselfly spp.[64]

Parsnip Leaf Miner[78]

Pomace fly[78]

Queen Butterfly[65]

Red Ant sp.[78]

Red Flour Beetle[62]

Reindeer Warble Fly (Hypoderma tarandi)[78]

Rose Chafer[disambiguation needed][78]

Rove Beetle spp.[62]

Scarab Beetle (Melolonthine)[80]

Screwworm Fly[78]

Silkworm Moth[74]

Southeastern Blueberry Bee[70]

Southern Green Stink Bug[62]

Southern Masked Chafer[78]

Southern One-Year Canegrub[78]

Spreadwinged Damselfly spp.[64]

Spruce Budworm Moth[74]

Stable Fly sp.[78]

Stag Beetle spp.[62]

Tsetse Fly[78]

Water Boatman Bug[disambiguation needed][62]

Water Strider spp.[62]

Blood-Fluke[81]

Box Crab[82]

Harvest Spider sp.[83]

Hawaiian Orb-Weaver (spider)[83]

Incirrate Octopus spp.[82]

Jumping Spider sp.[83]

Mite sp.[78]

Spiny-Headed Worm[84]

Personally, I'm a little miffed that beavers weren't on it. :P

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Tiff,

Wow is that it? Out of 58,800 known species of vertebrates on the planet only 19 have displayed homosexual behavior, most of them aren't really *** though either, they are just confused, Example: Dog trying to hump your leg, obviously you aren't going to have puppies :P So I'd say the straights clearly outnumber the confused in the animal kingdom.

Most of the rest of your list are insects, fish, and reptiles. Bluegills though seriously? I"m going to stop eating those now. :lol:

But out of the identified 1,250,000 different animal species, not counting the unidentified ones yet, I think we are doing pretty well.

http://www.wisegeek.com/how-many-species-of-animal-are-there.htm

LOL @ beavers, that is funny! :lol: :lol:

Actually I could be wrong on total numbers, another site is saying 3 to 30 million animal species, I like that better, see I can admit to a mistake! :)

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Tiff,

Wow is that it? Out of 58,800 known species of vertebrates on the planet only 19 have displayed homosexual behavior, most of them aren't really *** though either, they are just confused, Example: Dog trying to hump your leg, obviously you aren't going to have puppies :P So I'd say the straights clearly outnumber the confused in the animal kingdom.

Most of the rest of your list are insects, fish, and reptiles. Bluegills though seriously? I"m going to stop eating those now. :lol:

But out of the identified 1,250,000 different animal species, not counting the unidentified ones yet, I think we are doing pretty well.

http://www.wisegeek....l-are-there.htm

LOL @ beavers, that is funny! :lol: :lol:

if ONLY you'd read the source. Oh hummm.. here is what it says about that: Bagemihl writes that the presence of same-sex sexual behavior was not 'officially' observed on a large scale until the 1990s due to possible observer bias caused by social attitudes towards LGBT people making the homosexual theme taboo.

Backatcha';)

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if ONLY you'd read the source. Oh hummm.. here is what it says about that: Bagemihl writes that the presence of same-sex sexual behavior was not 'officially' observed on a large scale until the 1990s due to possible observer bias caused by social attitudes towards LGBT people making the homosexual theme taboo.

Backatcha' ;)

Tiff, doll,

So we throw in an extra 10,000 confused animals for good measure and it's still not even close. Still thinking about those confused Bluegill Sunfish, you really have me concerned and I liked fishing for sunnies! :P

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I guess I will have to take your word on that one. I have no desire to even look. But the normal for reproducing. I guess there may be a danger of the ones you listed of going extinct. There are no more buttons here for you to push. If so they would be to hard for you. Have a good evening Black Swan and Neodinar. God bless and I will be praying for you both.

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