NDE

[Jmasters]

I don't think this counts as a NDE but when my mother was in the last stages of lung cancer and this last hospital stay, she was in and out of consciousness. She awoke this one time and whispered something. My sister and I were on each side of her bed and leaned down close to her lips to hear her. She raised her arm and pointed to the upper corner of the room. She was smiling saying..Angels, do you see the angels? We of course looked and could not see anything there except the silent television

She closed her eyes but her face was smooth and peaceful. She went to our Lord two days later.

I had to do a double take to see if I wrote this and forgot about it..My mother as well had lung cancer and this sounds soo familiar..In my moms situation my sister kept noticing my mom looking up as well.In moms sense of humor she told my sister to tell him to stop moving around , that he was making her dizzy.My sister looked up and didn't see anything.Also for about a week my mother was talking almost out of it, carrying on conversations that made no sense.Upon hearing names, we asked my aunt if she recognized the names.She said she knew them all and they all had already passed away... my family is huge and there are countless cousins I still have yet to meet.

[umbertino]

I read the 2 first "Life After Life" books by Dr.Moody.. I found them very interesting.

[precious1]

Hey, Jmasters, indeed there similarities between our experiences! And I noticed another thing ..

Your date you joined DV is my birthday! As far as NDE's, I have no reason to doubt them. We have an amazing Father.

I believe He uses such experiences to help the one, which by testimony helps the many. There is nothing impossible for God.

[EagleEye]

precious 1 amen to that...thanks to you and jmasters for sharing

[Jmasters]

Hey, Jmasters, indeed there similarities between our experiences! And I noticed another thing ..

Your date you joined DV is my birthday! As far as NDE's, I have no reason to doubt them. We have an amazing Father.

I believe He uses such experiences to help the one, which by testimony helps the many. There is nothing impossible for God.

Well Happy belated Birthday ! And how correct you are..blessings J

[Butifldrm]

I had to bump this.. All the things going on within our country and our lives, we need to keep our faith of our real future!  This future can be beautiful and is surely inevitable.

[robbby]

I had one many years ago-my throat closed after tasting a spoonful of wild honey someone had brought back from their trip to the mountains. I felt life leaving my body and was aware I was dying as I was unable to breathe. As fast as it happened, my throat slowly began to open to allow a wheezing bit of air to revive me.

Frightened but grateful, life resumed normally for me caring for my two small children.

However that night, with everyone asleep, I felt as if something was literally pulling the life right out of my body,very much against my will. I fought this feeling as hard as I could,trying to stay conscious. I did not want to go but it was stronger than my will, and a journey began. It was a pleasant, floating sensation, first seeing high above me and seeing my body below me as I went higher and higher, then moving through a tunnel of light,and I emerged into a void of physical world where people who had crossed over before me, met me with such love that I cannot describe how beautiful this meeting was. I did feel surrounded not only by these loved ones, but by others who were without physical form, but shone all around me like an aura surrounding their being, and their love filled me so unconditionally that it was as if  I had finally come back home to a spiritual God, a higher being whose presence I felt,and his guides and angels on different levels.

I loved being there, but I was adamant that I was not going to stay, that I had to go back, and presented my case that it was not my time to leave.

Several things of the future were shown to me that had never been planned or spoken of such as an octagonal building, another child to be born later, and some things about my earthly family members, that gave me glimpses of what would come to pass. These prophecies did come true.

Obviously, after this visit I knew I had to go back and the journey reversed itself until I was back into my physical body. I found it difficult to see my children as they were physically shown to me everyday-they had auras all around them- that is how they looked to me upon returning that night.  My senses were heightened afterward and things became almost painful to endure such as loud noises and bright lights. I could barely speak as I felt that somehow a part of me was still in another world, and I did not fit in my physical body just right.

I knew I had died and had come back but did not know why such a thing would happen, and it took a long tome to feel normal again.

My husband and father did build an octagonal porch, and I never told anyone about how I had seen it completed before they had decided to even do such a thing, and the other things I was shown did happen w/ family members [too personal to discuss].

I was scared to tell anyone what happened, scared of dying and leaving my children, and wanted my life to go back to normal.

They built the porch without hearing one word from me, but I knew about it before they even dreamed up the idea. I knew personal things about family members that did come to pass but i never told them as I watched them unfold in silence.

Once you have had this journey, you know about life on the other side, and the love of your ancestors, and the higher beings and HIS presence over all things, and you carry that with you always, sensing them with you, all around us.

They give us many signs daily, that if we raise our awareness to their level, they will acknowledge their presence.

That is Faith.

[Wayfarer]

I had one many years ago-my throat closed after tasting a spoonful of wild honey someone had brought back from their trip to the mountains. I felt life leaving my body and was aware I was dying as I was unable to breathe. As fast as it happened, my throat slowly began to open to allow a wheezing bit of air to revive me.

Frightened but grateful, life resumed normally for me caring for my two small children.

However that night, with everyone asleep, I felt as if something was literally pulling the life right out of my body,very much against my will. I fought this feeling as hard as I could,trying to stay conscious. I did not want to go but it was stronger than my will, and a journey began. It was a pleasant, floating sensation, first seeing high above me and seeing my body below me as I went higher and higher, then moving through a tunnel of light,and I emerged into a void of physical world where people who had crossed over before me, met me with such love that I cannot describe how beautiful this meeting was. I did feel surrounded not only by these loved ones, but by others who were without physical form, but shone all around me like an aura surrounding their being, and their love filled me so unconditionally that it was as if  I had finally come back home to a spiritual God, a higher being whose presence I felt,and his guides and angels on different levels.

I loved being there, but I was adamant that I was not going to stay, that I had to go back, and presented my case that it was not my time to leave.

Several things of the future were shown to me that had never been planned or spoken of such as an octagonal building, another child to be born later, and some things about my earthly family members, that gave me glimpses of what would come to pass. These prophecies did come true.

Obviously, after this visit I knew I had to go back and the journey reversed itself until I was back into my physical body. I found it difficult to see my children as they were physically shown to me everyday-they had auras all around them- that is how they looked to me upon returning that night.  My senses were heightened afterward and things became almost painful to endure such as loud noises and bright lights. I could barely speak as I felt that somehow a part of me was still in another world, and I did not fit in my physical body just right.

I knew I had died and had come back but did not know why such a thing would happen, and it took a long tome to feel normal again.

My husband and father did build an octagonal porch, and I never told anyone about how I had seen it completed before they had decided to even do such a thing, and the other things I was shown did happen w/ family members [too personal to discuss].

I was scared to tell anyone what happened, scared of dying and leaving my children, and wanted my life to go back to normal.

They built the porch without hearing one word from me, but I knew about it before they even dreamed up the idea. I knew personal things about family members that did come to pass but i never told them as I watched them unfold in silence.

Once you have had this journey, you know about life on the other side, and the love of your ancestors, and the higher beings and HIS presence over all things, and you carry that with you always, sensing them with you, all around us.

They give us many signs daily, that if we raise our awareness to their level, they will acknowledge their presence.

That is Faith.

 

Thanks, EE for this thread. Wonderful!

 

Robbby, so far, your experience is the closest to the one I'll now share. It was a friend's, not mine.

 

For everyone's information, there are actual, documented cases of people whose NDEs have lasted an hour or so. My friend had one after being literally being cut in half, except for his spinal column, in a freak accident. He was rushed to a doctors' teaching hospital, died on the emergency room table. His time of death was properly recorded.

 

Then his grieving father watched as they wheeled his body to an operating room. Interns were going to practice on it, because it was being donated to science. They wired his body up with every medical device known to man at that time, heart monitors and all, as if he were still alive. After an hour of organ examinations and disposals in the trash, an intern, thinking that everything had to be as real as possible, decided to turn on an IV running into his arm.

 

He returned. He came back to life!  All the monitors started screaming! The head doctor went into a panic. Though the interns were gowned and gloved, they were too shocked and confused to be of any good. The head doctor started yelling orders; Call so and so. Call so and so. Get so and so on the line...  Hurry!  When they looked at the clock, they were all stunned; he had been gone for over an hour.

 

I met him a few years after this occurred. He told me that he had to be in intensive care for 6 months, unable to move or talk. He had been on all the popular TV talk shows. He had also co-founded an international NDE organization exclusively to research for people whose 'documented' experiences lasted for an hour or more. World over, they could find only 7 at that time. It gets better.

 

Yes, they all had the tunnel experience. He remembers 'hands' on his shoulder guiding him; he believes we each have a 'guardian' angel assigned to us. Another thing they all had in common was Someone showing them what they call 'a movie'. This they attributed to their being 'dead' that long; others do not have this experience. They were shown both the past and the future. It makes complete sense, because, in that realm there is no such thing as time.

 

He doesn't know why, but he was given the 'choice' of either staying or returning. He chose to return. He was a teenager; they were things he needed to do. That's when the IV drip was turned on.

 

Coming back to this realm of existence wasn't easy for any of them. One had to be committed to a mental hospital; he 'knew too much. He will ask you if you walk into his room, What day is it? Oh! Such and such is to happen today.

 

He believes being unable to talk for 6 months enabled him to keep his sanity.

 

New teachings about the human spirit tell us that our truest reality is spiritual, as is the next life we will enter. We are here to prepare for it. Our physical characteristics are only instruments that the spirit uses to learn and understand the ways of God. God created us this way. He 'breathed' His Spirit into us, metaphorically.

 

In other words, yes, I believe.

[EagleEye]

There are so many books out and more experiences all the time, especially given the advances in medicine...most recently both on Today/GMA shows a heart specialist and a brain surgeon. His was very fascinating because he could explain scientifically why it was not merely oxygen deprivation (his brain was totally fried)...but to me the best read of all was 4year old Colton Burpo...he was far too young to have been predisposed to what he experienced and shared...and had no prior knowledge of many he met in heaven, most especially his "miscarried" sister !! Thanks for bumping the subject everyone...given the signs of the times it is good food for thought for all comers...

 

Be blessed..

 

EE

[Nelg]

There are some very interesting and heart-warming things being posted. It might be interesting to note that these are NEAR death experiences and not someone who was totally dead. By that I mean, dead for an extended period of time. If someone really is dead that person can’t come back from the grave in this lifetime. "It is appointed unto men (an individual) once to die and after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27).

The initial post gave as a reference the Luke 16 passage of the rich man and Lazarus. These men were truly dead and would not come back from the dead until the final day of resurrection. Jesus, the Lord, gives us a glimpse into the spiritual realm of Paradise and Hades, blessings and punishment. Their destiny was fixed and could not be changed.
 

Another example to consider is that of Paul, the apostle. The time of this event is 14 years before Paul wrote the second letter to the Corinthians and is only academic to his point. He was caught up into Paradise, or as he says, the Third Heaven, which was with God. The three heavens do not mean there are three spiritual realms.

• Heaven #1 is the place we call the sky, where the clouds and birds fly. It is a physical realm.
• Heaven #2 is the realm of the sun, moon, stars, planets, and other galaxies. We call it space. It is being explored even today. It, too, is a physical realm. This is where some think that God lives; He does not.
• Heaven #3 is the place where God and spiritual beings abide. It is not space, but an entirely different existence. This is what Paul meant by Paradise or the Third Heaven.

Now he was caught up into this realm in some type of body. He didn't know. He says, "whether in the body or out of the body, God know." It was hear that Paul heard "inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak." No one knows what he heard or saw and God did not want him to tell what he saw. Wish I knew, but whatever it was, it gave Paul great confidence in what he did know. And he states that the revelation was so great that it could cause him to exalt himself! Now God did not want that to happen, so he gave him "a thorn in the flesh" to keep him humble. No one knows what that "thorn" was, but he prayed to God for it to be removed, but God did not remove it. God just gave him the encouragement; "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." (cf. 2Cor 12:1-10).

The Paradise to which Paul went into was the same Paradise where Lazarus and all the faithful have their existence. Did Paul see the spirits of those beings? Did He see the Lord Jesus, for Jesus is there as well? I would love to know, but he was not allowed to reveal what he knew.

Now here is my question, and I pose this for discussion. If Paul was not allowed to speak or tell what he was shown, why are those who experience NDE allowed to tell?

Edited October 5, 2013 by Markinsa
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[wc41]

I had to bump this.. All the things going on within our country and our lives, we need to keep our faith of our real future!  This future can be beautiful and is surely inevitable.

 

Yes Beautiful Dream, remembering a healthy focus means a healthy perspective. Thank you for bringing this up. 

[RodandStaff]

Thanks Eagle Eye, and all the rest of the great contributions....

 

I know a fella who went to Israel and was bringing a group with him.  They had been told of a gentleman who was a new believer in ... let's use his Hebrew name since it was in Israel..."Yeshua" (aka... Jesus)... this man had been a former general in the Israeli army... and an agnostic (as many Jews are).  He had an accident of some sort and was pronounced dead... only to regain vitals quite some time later... can you say "miracle"???   Upon his awakening all I can say is that "he knew the Savior personally"!!!  So while he was in that hard to describe place of a NDE, the Son of God revealed himself to him... and this gentleman believed and accepted him.  Now he is retired and serving God by giving tours to certain groups that visit Israel... helping the scriptures come alive for those who get the chance to meet him.  

 

I know that's not a personal, first hand account... but there are a lot of stories I could tell.  One thing I've learned though..."A person with an experience is never at the mercy of someone with an argument"... nuff said!!!    

[robbby]

There is much to read, learn about and research on this website:

afterlifetv.com

[bamagirl]

@Nelg.. Paul's experience wasn't permitted to be revealed but it doesn't necessarily mean the reports coming in recently doesn't have merit... .the bible said men would be given visions in the latter days, maybe these are the visions or at least a type of them that was spoken of. NDE recounts give people hope and confirmation of an afterlife.. maybe just maybe it is the truth and it does come from the Lord. I don't think it should be discredited just because Paul couldn't relay what he saw... I'm not saying it's true either, I'm just saying if ee don't experience it then w e don't know for certain either way.. Great thread, I remember when it was started!

[wc41]

Bamagirl, As I went back through these I saw your name and realized I hadn't seen anything from you for awhile. Could be I was reading other places / threads you weren't posting in and just missed you. Good to see you active and well!

[Nelg]

@Nelg.. Paul's experience wasn't permitted to be revealed but it doesn't necessarily mean the reports coming in recently doesn't have merit... .the bible said men would be given visions in the latter days, maybe these are the visions or at least a type of them that was spoken of. NDE recounts give people hope and confirmation of an afterlife.. maybe just maybe it is the truth and it does come from the Lord. I don't think it should be discredited just because Paul couldn't relay what he saw... I'm not saying it's true either, I'm just saying if ee don't experience it then w e don't know for certain either way.. Great thread, I remember when it was started!

Don't misunderstand, I believe that there are NDE which happen all the time.  I know several doctors and nurses who have told me stories about them.  My questions are why are they allowed to reveal what they have seen.  

 

There is another question which must be looked into as well.  Do those having NDE relating the theology of their particular faith?  Do Christians relate their particular "christian view"?  Do Muslim's relate their view?  The Buddhist view?  The atheist view? etc.  Does God allow us to have an NDE which coordinates with our particular religious or non-religious view?  I'm not saying they do not happen. If so, what does it reveal about us?  

[bamagirl]

Bamagirl, As I went back through these I saw your name and realized I hadn't seen anything from you for awhile. Could be I was reading other places / threads you weren't posting in and just missed you. Good to see you active and well!

I'm around and check in often just not posting as much... thanks for asking and hope you're well!!

[Markinsa]

Don't misunderstand, I believe that there are NDE which happen all the time.  I know several doctors and nurses who have told me stories about them.  My questions are why are they allowed to reveal what they have seen.  

 

There is another question which must be looked into as well.  Do those having NDE relating the theology of their particular faith?  Do Christians relate their particular "christian view"?  Do Muslim's relate their view?  The Buddhist view?  The atheist view? etc.  Does God allow us to have an NDE which coordinates with our particular religious or non-religious view?  I'm not saying they do not happen. If so, what does it reveal about us?  

 

How many different types of NDE are there? I've never heard any NDE testimony from other religions.

 

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[Nelg]

In most cultures there are those who have such experiences.  I'll see if I can find some for you.  

[Heavyduty053]

Thanks guys for keeping God alive with me......I Believe in NDE also....I was there when my wife's dad first took his last breath. He was trying right before that to get off the bed moving his legs and arms but he couldn't go any where. I seen his eyes open and they were gray and his mouth was closed and he was trying to say something but could not. His children was at his side holding his hand when he took his last breath and there in a period of 3 or 4 minutes he was motionless, gone. His children starting praying the lord's prayer while holding his hand and all of a sudden he sucked in a big breath of air and came alive again.

 

All that day he was talking and while I was in the room talking with him about God and be saved.....Let me say why I did this, because all his life he was a boot legger sold whiskey and beer and would get drunk and be mean to his family. They had to leave sometimes in the middle of the night because he would get a butcher knife and chase them. He drank all his life even up to near the time he got down with cancer. Now back to what happened.....all that day he lay there and I stayed with him most all day while everyone else was outside. At one point he said I smell smoke and I told him there was no one cooking anything. A while later he said and I QUOTE...I hear some of the sweetest music, again I listened and there was no any music or tv, radio on.......I talked to everyone all day, told me he had made peace with God and the next morning he died.....He came back because his children prayed over him and his message was clear.

[waterman13]

People, it's all about the spiritual world. Christ said: we must be born again. Not just born of the water (the flesh - a mother's womb) but, born again; of the Spirit of God. Eternity only starts when we go to Him who created us. Whether we sleep until He comes, or whether we are taken in the twinkling of an eye. We will be with Him to rule and reign with Him in the next thousand years of His millennial reign. Then comes the Great White Throne of Judgement. Come Lord Jesus!

Wm13

[Nelg]

For those of you interested in the NDE:  Select a search engine and put in NDE.  Then put the name of the religion you want, that is NDE Atheist, NDE Mormon, NDE Buddhist, NDE Muslim, etc.  Check it out.  Every religion have individuals who have undergone a NDE.  There are so many of these stories that it would take a long time to post for us to read.  

In most case the individual experiences those things which they have been taught from their religion.  For the atheist, those things are what they have heard in the past or been told by someone.  

I have not done a vast study on this subject, but I am intrigued by the similarities of some things that are said, as well as the contradictions from one story to the next.  

There is no way that someone can dispute an experience one has in the spiritual realm; nor is there any way to prove it either.  But one needs to question the origin or source of these NDEs.  Some of them may be the creation of one's on mind and not something that is real.  Undoubtedly there are real NDEs, but how does one confirm it's reality?  

I think we need to be extremely cautious when we start using NDEs as confirmation of heaven, hell, Christ, God, or that there is no hell or God or Christ simply because of what someone experienced when they were near death.   

[429]

@Nelg - in answer the question you posted earlier: Does God speak to you in prayer? Sure he does if you take the time to listen.

Next, has God ever revealed anything to you that you're not allowed to discuss, tell, write down? Same situation with Paul? Was the vision on the road to Damascus a type of NDE? I don't think so and I don't see any data to support that.

My understanding is that most NDEs don't spend very long in the third Heaven, as it were and don't have a lot to relate to us. Maybe Paul was there longer and saw more. The problem with that argument is that we're relying on finite, earthly time and I believe that God is not in any way, shape or form constrained by what we know as time and therefore neither is Heaven.

Something to contemplate.

 

@ all - All these NDE stories sound great! But has anyone experienced (God be praised that you're here with us!) or heard stories of the other  NDEs where things are not so great? They're out there too. I've heard some third hand stories from other paramedics who've been there when the folks come back. These stories will indeed scare the hell out of you and there's no pun intended.

429

[EagleEye]

Now here is my question, and I pose this for discussion. If Paul was not allowed to speak or tell what he was shown, why are those who experience NDE allowed to tell?

Nelg'

 

In the case of my dear friend the late Dr Richard Eby, he was SPECIFICALLY told to tell because the time was short...in fact if you read his books, one of them is Tell Them Tell Them....my fav is 'Didn't You Read My Book....

 

I think others have said the same thing...they were to tell because the time was short...

 

on another tangent...I have what some may consider a strange question...."When you die, what time is it ??"  

 

 

the answer in my thinking may explain WHY some have come to faith BECAUSE of their NDE...

 

BTW Dr Eby was dead for I believe 20+ hours...

@Nelg - in answer the question you posted earlier: Does God speak to you in prayer? Sure he does if you take the time to listen.

Next, has God ever revealed anything to you that you're not allowed to discuss, tell, write down? Same situation with Paul? Was the vision on the road to Damascus a type of NDE? I don't think so and I don't see any data to support that.

My understanding is that most NDEs don't spend very long in the third Heaven, as it were and don't have a lot to relate to us. Maybe Paul was there longer and saw more. The problem with that argument is that we're relying on finite, earthly time and I believe that God is not in any way, shape or form constrained by what we know as time and therefore neither is Heaven.

Something to contemplate.

 

@ all - All these NDE stories sound great! But has anyone experienced (God be praised that you're here with us!) or heard stories of the other  NDEs where things are not so great? They're out there too. I've heard some third hand stories from other paramedics who've been there when the folks come back. These stories will indeed scare the hell out of you and there's no pun intended.

429

There are some powerful stories of those who have experienced hell....including one I believe I referenced at the beginning of this thread...one that really caught my attention was the Dr who got saved because his heart patient (whom he brought back several times kept screaming doc ...doc don't give up I'm in HELL !!! 

[bamagirl]

@429.. yes I have heard a story that wasn't so great. My mother who has passed away now had one about 25 years ago from an attempted suicide. I'd rather not discuss the details but she visited the light and the dark.. She was clinically dead for only a few minutes but she said what took place happened over a much longer period of time. What she described to us whether it was real or hallucination was very real to her.. she was given a 2nd chance and she did right by it and I have no doubt in my heart she is with the Lord today. Honestly I don't think I've ever even told my husband about this, she only spoke to us about it one time but I'll never forget it..