"It's not a lop, not a lop. Wait... SMOKESCREEN!"

[Sanssouci]

It is pointless arguing with a Jew hater. They simply will not listen to reason which is why we had to fire bomb their cities. Looks like your butt buddy in Iran is next in line. I know, I know, all a Zionist conspiracy.

Wow. I am just devastated by all of your ripostes. Again, I do not hate "Jews." I simply refuse to worship them. If this confounds you, then, I understand.

What you call "reason" was little more than the over-celebrated "Allies" asserting their presumed "authority." Germany was no threat to the United States.

Butt buddy? Really? Everyone, take note, of Di(nar)ck's magnanimous exhibition of tolerance.

[jackster]

Way to go? what have I done that is so wrong? This is the land of the free, where people are supposed to think freely, outside of the box. I am perfectly happy to do that at any time.

You call me a holocaust "denier." This word "denier" implies a certain degree of religiosity. Is the Holocaust your religion? I think it is if you are calling me the "denier."

If you cannot bring yourself to call events such as Dresden, February 1945, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki, August 1945, by the right and proper definition: holocausts - "death by fire," then, in reality, upon which your grip seems increasingly tenuous, YOU are the holocaust denier. Smoke on that. Come on, give me another one of your juvenile taunts. It only further reveals your intellectual desperation.

As for being a "Nazi sympathizer," what happens when one proves that National Socialism has a great deal in common with Judaism? What happens when one demonstrates that Adolf Hitler probably took a few pages out of the Babylonian Talmud when he was formulating his political ideology? What happens when one asserts that Adolf Hitler was the true original founder of the Israeli state, was himself a Zionist, who simply wanted nothing more than for "Jews" in his country to emigrate, preferably to Palestine, and probably provided future "Israelis" a training course in how to deal with their own "Final Solution to the Palestinian Problem?" Are you going to deny that any of these things happened?

You are powerless to argue against any of this, first, because I know that it's above your pay grade, and second, because you do not understand that history, real history, is not learned through the one-sided authorship of the victors - those over-celebrated war criminals who called themselves the "Allies," but rather through looking at the perspective of the losing side. The losers of that war were placed on trial at Nuremberg. This was unprecedented in the annals of history, and the reason for it was simple: The "Allies," who were guilty of many war crimes of their own, could not afford to have the losers' perspective gain a fair hearing. War is a crime in and of itself, and the "Allies" were equally guilty. However, they had "won," and the United States, the supposed champion of free speech, was going to lead the charge in silencing the defendants' testimony, except for what the defendants were forced to say. Only Hermann Goering put up an admirable fight against this glaring injustice.

So, you admit that the "Allies" committed war crimes? Very good. Thank you. If you dug a bit deeper, you would know that there exists much damning testimony on the "Allied" side, attesting to this fact. The population transfers of the German territories in the east, such as the nation of Prussia, which now no longer exists, was the largest and most devastating example of ethnic cleansing in all of history. Even the Bundesrepublik of "Germany" is artificial, because the Germans living within it do not enjoy the kind of freedoms as would be afforded by a real constitution. Instead, they have the "Grundgesetz," which purposely hampers their freedom of speech.

You are putting words in my mouth. Did I ever say that "Jews" did not suffer? If I did, then, show me a quote to that effect. In the meantime, while you're searching in vain, do not put words in my mouth or attribute unto me false ideas. I have not done that to you.

So what if it was? I have the right to doubt anything i want. We all do. Holocaustianity is not my religion, therefore, I reject its kabbalistic "6 million" number. You are not qualified to call me "crazy," but go ahead. I am simply asserting my basic human right to doubt that which I cannot believe. Am I obligated to believe? Now, who is the "Nazi sympathizer?"

If, in one's desperation to characterize a man as "evil," one is reduced to lying about that man, what does that say about the accuser? Is he not engaged in an "evil" activity? Is not lying "evil?"

Shabibi lies. Should I praise his lying, or simply accept it as a necessity in that case? "Evil" is subjective. One man's "evil" may be another man's "good," as you demonstrate in saying, "...the allies did what it took to win the war and stop the Nazis." Evildoers seldom believe that what they are doing is "evil." This was surely true of Adolf Hitler, who was a Zionist. I prefer to accept Shabibi's lying as a "necessary evil," because from it will emerge a great deal of good - at least in terms of what I intend to do with the money that I accumulate. But I have no trouble recognizing that his lying is indeed "evil."

Oh, but wait - you believe in everything the CBI says. That is your folly, and you are entitled to it.

Not true. It is my right to think for myself in matters large and small, and you are nothing but an indolent and immature imp to chide me for it. I have dealt with you as diplomatically as I am capable. I hope others can see the truth of this, because it is as obvious as the elephant in the room.

Your one lone talent in this world is casting stupid, automatic aspersions about people for which you know absolutely nothing beyond the usual, worn-out cliches. Thanks for allowing me to make you appear to be the ignorant fool that you are, because you surely had it coming.

Dresden , Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. It's all good.

"Real history"? Historians can change the past. God can not do that. Therefore, historians are more powerful.

Sure, the Allies committed war crimes. But the Allies won the war, so their crimes are forgiven and forgotten. The losers of a war, pay for their war crimes. Always has been, always will be. Moving along.

We enjoy putting words in your mouth. Allow us our fun.

Can you prove that Shabibi lies? He must be doing a good job of lying. And we praise him for it. I usually get caught lying.

Imp? Tsk, tsk. Name-calling, again.

[dinarck]

Wow. I am just devastated by all of your ripostes. Again, I do not hate "Jews." I simply refuse to worship them. If this confounds you, then, I understand.

What you call "reason" was little more than the over-celebrated "Allies" asserting their presumed "authority." Germany was no threat to the United States.

Butt buddy? Really? Everyone, take note, of Di(nar)ck's magnanimous exhibition of tolerance.

Quote...Again, I do not hate "Jews".

Who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself?

Asserting presumed authority? Haha....more historical delusion. The US tried to stay out of the war until they could take no more of millions of their allies being massacred. Or is that all lies by the zionist media?

Tolerance? Now turn things around to make me look like the biggot because I chose a slang term to describe your love of Jew hating leaders. Ok...that's pretty typical. We can all clearly see the "tolerance" that you have for the Jewish people. Whoops..nevermind...that's only for the Palestinians and any other Jew hating country.

Dude, let's leave it at this. You aren't worthy of debate. Nothing you are puking out here even has to do with the Dinar unless you want to tie your Zionist fear of the media into a RV which I have seen you have already tried to do. Lol

[jackster]

Is it a nation unto itself, or is it several nations? I think you gave the correct answer previously.

There are "saints" beyond Catholicism. Is every member of the New Orleans Saints football team a Catholic, Professor Saint Jackster? Each of you RD advocates is a kind of "saint" for simply showing the willingness to "save" all of us RV advocates from ourselves. Thank you (in a Jimmy Fallon kind of way).

Jesus shoots, Jackster saves.

Funny. That's what I call the Noahide laws too! The Naugahyde laws! What a coincidence!

Indeed, they all do. So why argue a moot point? Why not cast your aspersions equally in every instance?

Great. The term "conspiracy theorist" is a club for people who cannot think outside of the box, and resent those who can.

Like you said, I always give the correct answer.

You follow the NFL? Whose your favorite team?

Jesus and I do have this teamwork thing going on.

I cast my aspersions as I like. Not equally. I decide what is fair.

Well, we mainly conspire in the bedroom. But, we can conspire on the wild side, once in a while. But never in a box. If someone can conspire inside a box, I congratulate them. Are you sure we're talking about the same thing?

[Sanssouci]

Dresden , Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. It's all good.

"Real history"? Historians can change the past. God cannot do that. Therefore, historians are more powerful.

Interesting point; something Di(nar)ck cannot seem to muster.

Sure, the Allies committed war crimes. But the Allies won the war, so their crimes are forgiven and forgotten. The losers of a war, pay for their war crimes. Always has been, always will be. Moving along.

No, it has not always been. Before 1945, this was not the case at all. North Vietnam won the Vietnam War. Did they put United States citizens on trial? No. The United States won the Cold War. Did the United States put Soviets on trial? No.

We enjoy putting words in your mouth. Allow us our fun.

So be it. I'll just continue to enjoy putting your foot in yours. Allow me my fun.

Can you prove that Shabibi lies? He must be doing a good job of lying. And we praise him for it. I usually get caught lying.

He called it a propaganda campaign. Propaganda employs both truth and lies.

Imp? Tsk, tsk. Name-calling, again.

It's considerably more creative than "butt buddy."

Like you said, I always give the correct answer.

There is a first time for everything.

You follow the NFL? Whose your favorite team? Jesus and I do have this teamwork thing going on.

You really don't need to know, because it really doesn't matter. And Jesus must be schizophrenic if he's taking everyone's side.

I cast my aspersions as I like. Not equally. I decide what is fair.

As do I. That's awfully "FOXy" (fair and balanced) of you.

Well, we mainly conspire in the bedroom. But, we can conspire on the wild side, once in a while. But never in a box. If someone can conspire inside a box, I congratulate them. Are you sure we're talking about the same thing?

It all depends...

Again, I do not hate "Jews."

Who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself?

You, of course. Whether you know it or not, when you throw around the term "antisemite," you are identifying yourself as a "Jew"-worshipper.

Asserting presumed authority? Haha....more historical delusion. The US tried to stay out of the war until they could take no more of millions of their allies being massacred. Or is that all lies by the zionist media?

Roosevelt wanted to be in the war from the day it started.

Tolerance? Now turn things around to make me look like the biggot because I chose a slang term to describe your love of Jew-hating leaders. Ok...that's pretty typical.

Is having your own foot in your mouth leaving a bad taste?

We can all clearly see the "tolerance" that you have for the Jewish people. Whoops..nevermind...that's only for the Palestinians and any other Jew-hating country.

If I were "Jewish," I could say anything I want about "Jewish" people. I would simply be labeled a "self-hating Jew," and face no further opprobrium, proof that "Jews" worship themselves.

Dude, let's leave it at this. You aren't worthy of debate. Nothing you are puking out here even has to do with the Dinar unless you want to tie your Zionist fear of the media into a RV which I have seen you have already tried to do. Lol

You started all of this silliness. I presume it is what you wanted. And now you're raising the white flag? Your throwing in the towel proves your own unworthiness.

It was a distinct pleasure eating your lunch, Di(nar)ck. Would you mind leaving a generous tip?

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Edited July 7, 2012 by Sanssouci

[Sanssouci]

Dresden , Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. It's all good.

"Real history"? Historians can change the past. God cannot do that. Therefore, historians are more powerful.

Interesting point; something Di(nar)ck cannot seem to muster.

Sure, the Allies committed war crimes. But the Allies won the war, so their crimes are forgiven and forgotten. The losers of a war, pay for their war crimes. Always has been, always will be. Moving along.

No, it has not always been. Before 1945, this was not the case at all. North Vietnam won the Vietnam War. Did they put United States citizens on trial? No. The United States won the Cold War. Did the United States put Soviets on trial? No.

We enjoy putting words in your mouth. Allow us our fun.

So be it. I'll just continue to enjoy putting your foot in yours. Allow me my fun.

Can you prove that Shabibi lies? He must be doing a good job of lying. And we praise him for it. I usually get caught lying.

He called it a propaganda campaign. Propaganda employs both truth and lies.

Imp? Tsk, tsk. Name-calling, again.

It's considerably more creative than "butt buddy."

Like you said, I always give the correct answer.

There is a first time for everything.

You follow the NFL? Whose your favorite team? Jesus and I do have this teamwork thing going on.

You really don't need to know, because it really doesn't matter. And Jesus must be schizophrenic if he's taking everyone's side.

I cast my aspersions as I like. Not equally. I decide what is fair.

As do I. That's awfully "FOXy" (fair and balanced) of you.

Well, we mainly conspire in the bedroom. But, we can conspire on the wild side, once in a while. But never in a box. If someone can conspire inside a box, I congratulate them. Are you sure we're talking about the same thing?

It all depends...

[teddyruxbin]

Well it is obvious that you are delusioned in economics as well as history.

Blah blah blah. Everyone is evil except the palasinians. Real original. Guess your hippie professor taught you that one too huh?

War crimes? I guess anything that happens in war that you don't agree with is a war crime huh? Another hippie belief? Horrible autrosaties occur in war genius.

Again. The allies did what it took to stop a mad man (with your mentality by the way) from systematically slaughtering millions of more people. Sorry their tactics weren't up to your liking. You want to talk about the bombs on Japan? Well those ended a WAR and saved the lives of millions on both sides since we didn't have to send troops into mainland Japan. Well I guess you and your hippie professor know better than the allied commanders at the time. O how I wish you could have been there to save those 250,000 thousand lives just so you could watch 1.5 million die afterwards. Who do you think you are? You think you got it all figured out because you are a "free" thinker? You couldn't think for yourself if you tried. Someone has brainwashed you with Antisemitism and you haven't looked back. You think you are so above everyone who doesn't belive the garbage someone has pumped into that little mind of yours. O yeah...you are so smart to have figured out the evil media conspiracy all run by evil Jews. Anyone listening to the news is so below you and your enlightenment. Haha...go take another toak and hide under the bed were the zionist can't get you.

Your butthurt is really starting to show Dinarck.

Are you thinking about ever having an actual rebuttal anytime soon.Or are you just content to keep using use sarcasm and snide arrogant comments to pretend you're better than someone else.

Lets see what have you had to say back so far.....

1: He's a Jew hater/Muslim lover

2: He hates America/Freedom/Troops

Yep..sums up the typical drone arguments of someone living on a steady diet of Fox news/Conservative media propaganda every day.It's so hilariously ironic that in your arrogance you don't even realize how you're proving his points about you being brainwashed with propaganda every post you make.Get over the whole right/left system already dude...doesn't matter who you elect when both sides are owned by the same globalist elites.You're no different than the Obama bots that parrot everything they hear on MSNBC.Both sides are equally delusional.

[dinarck]

Your butthurt is really starting to show Dinarck.

Are you thinking about ever having an actual rebuttal anytime soon.Or are you just content to keep using use sarcasm and snide arrogant comments to pretend you're better than someone else.

Lets see what have you had to say back so far.....

1: He's a Jew hater/Muslim lover

2: He hates America/Freedom/Troops

Yep..sums up the typical drone arguments of someone living on a steady diet of Fox news/Conservative media propaganda every day.It's so hilariously ironic that in your arrogance you don't even realize how you're proving his points about you being brainwashed with propaganda every post you make.Get over the whole right/left system already dude...doesn't matter who you elect when both sides are owned by the same globalist elites.You're no different than the Obama bots that parrot everything they hear on MSNBC.Both sides are equally delusional.

Rebuttal of what? Far out delusional left wing conspiracy theories? Great now we have another global elite paranoia conspiracy quack to join the thread.

I tell you what as soon as you and Adolf up there decide to talk about the dinar and your make believe "RV" then we will have a discussion. Until then tune back onto prison planet.com for more "truth".

[Sanssouci]

Rebuttal of what? Far out delusional left wing conspiracy theories? Great now we have another global elite paranoia conspiracy quack to join the thread.

The term "conspiracy theory" is, again, an unintellectual weapon in the arsenal of people who are afraid to think outside of the box, and resent those who show no fear of opinion.

I tell you what as soon as you and Adolf up there decide to talk about the dinar and your make believe "RV" then we will have a discussion.

Adolf Hitler was a Zionist. I am not a Zionist.

Until then tune back onto prison planet.com for more "truth".

Alex Jones is a fraud.

Get over the whole right/left system already dude...doesn't matter who you elect when both sides are owned by the same globalist elites.You're no different than the Obama bots that parrot everything they hear on MSNBC.Both sides are equally delusional.

Correct, Teddy. The whole thing is a Hegelian kabbalistic paradigm designed to push and pull between Gevurah ("severity" - the "Right") and Chesed ("mercy" - the "Left").

Edited July 7, 2012 by Sanssouci

[dinarck]

The term "conspiracy theory" is, again, an unintellectual weapon in the arsenal of people who are afraid to think outside of the box, and resent those who show no fear of opinion.

Adolf Hitler was a Zionist. I am not a Zionist.

Alex Jones is a fraud.

Correct, Teddy. The whole thing is a Hegelian kabbalistic paradigm designed to push and pull between Gevurah ("severity" - the "Right") and Chesed ("mercy" - the "Left").

Ok. So the documentation on the CBIs financials is accurate. No you say. It is all lies made up by the Jew media. Now come again how I am afraid to think out of the box. Sorry but I guess I am not as versed as you in paranoia and stupidity. Is anything real? Or do you want to dismiss everything you don't want to be true as Jew lies? I guess there does always need to be a bad guy to blame your shotty life on huh? Why not go with the Jews or global elites or anyone else you can make up who's out to get you.

Thanks again for not explaining your "RV". I guess talking about how an impossibility is going to occur is something you would rather dodge by going on and on with your "opinions". I have read all of your filth and it isn't as impressive as you think. You truely are enlightened and above all of us in your own mind but when this massive "RV" never occurs then maybe you will begin to see the silliness of all of your comments. Probably not. You will just blame the Jews or the media or the global elites or whoever you can find to blame your own ignorance on.

Edited July 8, 2012 by dinarck

[teddyruxbin]

Rebuttal of what? Far out delusional left wing conspiracy theories? Great now we have another global elite paranoia conspiracy quack to join the thread.

I tell you what as soon as you and Adolf up there decide to talk about the dinar and your make believe "RV" then we will have a discussion. Until then tune back onto prison planet.com for more "truth".

Oh but of course,anything that doesn't fit into your daily brainwashing must come from Liberals.Just like the Obama sheeple will accuse the same of being the rantings of the right wing lunatic fringe

It's the typical excuse for someone that uses minimal critical thinking;and prefers to have their 'fact's spoonfed to them every day by the govt and their favorite news station.Thanks for helping my argument even furthur.

Now do you think you'll ever have an actual rebuttal or are continuous stereotypes,generalizatons,and ad hominem attacks suficient for you?

[Sanssouci]

Ok. So the documentation on the CBIs financials is accurate. No you say. It is all lies made up by the Jew media.

There you go again. Of course I am of the opinion that the media is dominated by "Jews." Any time a minority group is overrepresented in a pursuit as against their true percentage of the population, it constitutes domination. But it is you trying to goad me with that issue. The media is the media, and the media is not 100% reliable. But it is not a zero sum consideration. Because I exercise the right to merely doubt the media, you take the liberty of assuming I believe nothing of what I hear in the media. Little do you realize the imposition in which this puts you, because you, in turn, must rely upon the media 100% in order to defend it. Otherwise, you concede the point I am making.

Now come again how I am afraid to think out of the box. Sorry but I guess I am not as versed as you in paranoia and stupidity.

Are "Jews" perfect? Are they capable of wrongdoing? You regurgitate again and again the neo-Cohen line that they are beyond reproach. Legitimate criticism of "Jews" frightens you. Otherwise, you would not avoid it.

Is anything real? Or do you want to dismiss everything you don't want to be true as Jew lies? I guess there does always need to be a bad guy to blame your shotty life on huh? Why not go with the Jews or global elites or anyone else you can make up who's out to get you.

“My dear brothers, never forget, when you hear the progress of enlightenment vaunted, that the devil’s best trick is to persuade you that he doesn’t exist!” Baudelaire, 1864

Thanks again for not explaining your "RV."

I began this, my first foray into the LOPsters' playpen, discussing that very thing. It is you who started with the ad hominem attacks. What obligation have I to explain to you anything at all?

I guess talking about how an impossibility is going to occur is something you would rather dodge by going on and on with your "opinions."

In my humble opinion, you are not worth the time or the effort.

I have read all of your filth and it isn't as impressive as you think. You truely are enlightened and above all of us in your own mind but when this massive "RV" never occurs then maybe you will begin to see the silliness of all of your comments. Probably not. You will just blame the Jews or the media or the global elites or whoever you can find to blame your own ignorance on.

You bring the ad hominem attacks, and when I respond you bring nothing in the way of an intellectual retort, and you call me ignorant, and my life SHODDY? I have stood and will continue to stand by all of my comments to you. I am not ashamed any more than I am intimidated by your opinion of them or me. Really, could you show yourself to be any more desperate? It just goes from bad to worse for you.

Edited July 8, 2012 by Sanssouci

[MrFnHappy]

why would anybody that believes that a LOP will occur have or buy dinar?

It's been said many time by many members that there are those of us who have been in it for quite a number of years. I myself have owned dinar for 8 years. Needless to say, the situation, and my views have changed dramatically over the years.

Simply stated, when we bought, we believed there would be substantial money to be made, but it's taken soooo long for Iraq to get it's act together (and honestly they haven't even gotten it together yet), that I no longer can envision a RV based on the available public information.....it just doesn't support it.

Edited July 8, 2012 by MrFnHappy

[dinarck]

Oh but of course,anything that doesn't fit into your daily brainwashing must come from Liberals.Just like the Obama sheeple will accuse the same of being the rantings of the right wing lunatic fringe

It's the typical excuse for someone that uses minimal critical thinking;and prefers to have their 'fact's spoonfed to them every day by the govt and their favorite news station.Thanks for helping my argument even furthur.

Now do you think you'll ever have an actual rebuttal or are continuous stereotypes,generalizatons,and ad hominem attacks suficient for you?

I am still trying to figure out what you want me to give a rebuttal to. How to you give a rebuttal to a conspiracy theory?

I really wish I was as enlightened as you and sassa whatever his name is. How great it must be to be free from government and media slavery. Since you cannot discuss dinar you attack and bring what you know best which is paranoia and conspiracy. You think you are the first? Not even close. Many who could not back up their delusion come in here with wild accusations of gov. coverups and media misinformation. It's all you have got. That and "I'm better than you" because I don't believe Fox news or the government. Give it a rest. You and sass whatever his name is have both made it clear that you are clueless as to how your "RV" could happen and rely on your twisted paranoid fear of governments and media to make up a fantasy that could never happen. My offer still stands. If you are ready to actually discuss the "RV". Then let's do it.

[Sanssouci]

It's been said many time by many members that there are those of us who have been in it for quite a number of years. I myself have owned dinar for 8 years. Needless to say, the situation, and my views have changed dramatically over the years. Simply stated, when we bought, we believed there would be substantial money to be made, but it's taken soooo long for Iraq to get it's act together (and honestly they haven't even gotten it together yet), that I no longer can envision a RV based on the available public information.....it just doesn't support it.

Love the media. Believe the media. Don't ever doubt the media. The media is your best friend.

[dinarck]

There you go again. Of course I am of the opinion that the media is dominated by "Jews." Any time a minority group is overrepresented in a pursuit as against their true percentage of the population, it constitutes domination. But it is you trying to goad me with that issue. The media is the media, and the media is not 100% reliable. But it is not a zero sum consideration. Because I exercise the right to merely doubt the media, you take the liberty of assuming I believe nothing of what I hear in the media. Little do you realize the imposition in which this puts you, because you, in turn, must rely upon the media 100% in order to defend it. Otherwise, you concede the point I am making.

Are "Jews" perfect? Are they capable of wrongdoing? You regurgitate again and again the neo-Cohen line that they are beyond reproach. Legitimate criticism of "Jews" frightens you. Otherwise, you would not avoid it.

“My dear brothers, never forget, when you hear the progress of enlightenment vaunted, that the devil’s best trick is to persuade you that he doesn’t exist!” Baudelaire, 1864

I began this, my first foray into the LOPsters' playpen, discussing that very thing. It is you who started with the ad hominem attacks. What obligation have I to explain to you anything at all?

In my humble opinion, you are not worth the time or the effort.

You bring the ad hominem attacks, and when I respond you bring nothing in the way of an intellectual retort, and you call me ignorant, and my life SHODDY? I have stood and will continue to stand by all of my comments to you. I am not ashamed any more than I am intimidated by your opinion of them or me. Really, could you show yourself to be any more desperate? It just goes from bad to worse for you.

Yeah....that's what I thought. More dodging and babbling yet nothing to back up your position on the dinar which is what this site is for. Not worth the time? I will take that as a cop out which is what it is. Yeah you aren't obliged to explain the "RV" to me because you can't. The only thing you can explain is a twisted world view based on conspiracy.

[teddyruxbin]

I am still trying to figure out what you want me to give a rebuttal to. How to you give a rebuttal to a conspiracy theory?

I really wish I was as enlightened as you and sassa whatever his name is. How great it must be to be free from government and media slavery. Since you cannot discuss dinar you attack and bring what you know best which is paranoia and conspiracy. You think you are the first? Not even close. Many who could not back up their delusion come in here with wild accusations of gov. coverups and media misinformation. It's all you have got. That and "I'm better than you" because I don't believe Fox news or the government. Give it a rest. You and sass whatever his name is have both made it clear that you are clueless as to how your "RV" could happen and rely on your twisted paranoid fear of governments and media to make up a fantasy that could never happen. My offer still stands. If you are ready to actually discuss the "RV". Then let's do it.

Lol thats pretty funny coming from you Dinarck,talking about my supposed lack of credibility.

Why don't you just cut through all the BS,seeing as your entire belief system can be summed up in a single sentence.

'The Iraqi/Us Govt and media told me this news and finacial numbers are right,therefore they are'

Oh but of course..we can trust the Iraqi press completely,despite the fact that they contradict themselves with every other article and newscast they put out.

The haven't been shills for the globalists that long,so they haven't quite figured out how to lie as convincingly as the US media yet

Knowing that I'm sure all that information they put out showing how many dinar are in circulation/wealth of all their assets etc is completely truthful eh?

Edited July 8, 2012 by teddyruxbin

[Sanssouci]

Yeah....that's what I thought. More dodging and babbling yet nothing to back up your position on the dinar which is what this site is for.

If you're so certain that that is the purpose of this site, then, why did you descend to the ad hominem attacks against me? I tell you why. It's all you've got.

Not worth the time? I will take that as a cop out which is what it is. Yeah you aren't obliged to explain the "RV" to me because you can't. The only thing you can explain is a twisted world view based on conspiracy.

Cop out? You're the one who is afraid to think outside of your comfortable little box! I just devoured your lunch. Spare me your amateur assessments of my capabilities.

Edited July 8, 2012 by Sanssouci

[alan_coaks_3]

lol i thought were were talking about how a RD or RV are iraqs only 2 option . we eaither make million or lose most the money we wpnt on the banknotes we hold

[teddyruxbin]

Yeah....that's what I thought. More dodging and babbling yet nothing to back up your position on the dinar which is what this site is for. Not worth the time? I will take that as a cop out which is what it is. Yeah you aren't obliged to explain the "RV" to me because you can't. The only thing you can explain is a twisted world view based on conspiracy.

In that case I guess you're a cop out too,considering that you've already said in a previous post that people like me and Sas are not worth your time without providing anything in answer except Ad hominem attacks.

Hypocrite much fella?

And I suppose your one to talk when your 'evidence' is articles and information coming from a political machine that has already proven multiple times to be full of chronic compulsive liars

[Sanssouci]

Why don't you just cut through all the BS, seeing as your entire belief system can be summed up in a single sentence. 'The Iraqi/Us Govt and media told me this news and financial numbers are right,therefore they are.'

SWFloridaGuy from just last night: "If the entirety of your research, the culmination of your studies can all be traced back to any one particular article, no wonder you think a Lop is the only possibility. You choose a very easy stance. You demand the impossible (proof it will RV) and claim that if we can't produce it, then we must be wrong. How convenient and languid that must be for you."

Again, I do not hate "Jews."

Who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself?

You, of course. Whether you know it or not, when you throw around the term "antisemite," you are identifying yourself as a "Jew"-worshipper.

Asserting presumed authority? Haha....more historical delusion. The US tried to stay out of the war until they could take no more of millions of their allies being massacred. Or is that all lies by the zionist media?

Roosevelt wanted to be in the war from the day it started.

Tolerance? Now turn things around to make me look like the biggot because I chose a slang term to describe your love of Jew-hating leaders. Ok...that's pretty typical.

Is having your own foot in your mouth leaving a bad taste?

We can all clearly see the "tolerance" that you have for the Jewish people. Whoops..nevermind...that's only for the Palestinians and any other Jew-hating country.

If I were "Jewish," I could say anything I want about "Jewish" people. I would simply be labeled a "self-hating Jew," and face no further opprobrium, proof that "Jews" worship themselves.

Dude, let's leave it at this. You aren't worthy of debate. Nothing you are puking out here even has to do with the Dinar unless you want to tie your Zionist fear of the media into a RV which I have seen you have already tried to do. Lol

You started all of this silliness. I presume it is what you wanted. And now you're raising the white flag? Your throwing in the towel proves your own unworthiness.

It was a distinct pleasure eating your lunch, Di(nar)ck. Would you mind leaving a generous tip?

[MrFnHappy]

Love the media. Believe the media. Don't ever doubt the media. The media is your best friend.

"Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you read"....I know I didn't get that quite right, but I'm sure you get my drift.

So ok, I agree with you to a degree, you simply can't believe everything in the media, but then we also have to believe the CBI's published financials are being falsified.

Let's then assume the above is true, the news is all "smoke" and the CBI is "cookin" the books.

So tell me, the above being true, what numbers do we plug into the equation to base our speculation on? Do you have any basis for this speculation, or do we simply go in with the theory, they have oil, we have to get rich?

Should we just make some numbers up?

What if it's all false, but the other way.....they are in much worse shape than they claim to be?

Edited July 8, 2012 by MrFnHappy

[Sanssouci]

"Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you read"....I know I didn't get that quite right, but I'm sure you get my drift.

I do. It's half of what you see.

So ok, I agree with you to a degree, you simply can't believe everything in the media, but then we also have to believe the CBI's published financials are being falsified. Let's then assume the above is true, the news is all "smoke" and the CBI is "cookin" the books. So tell me, the above being true, what numbers do we plug into the equation to base our speculation on? Do you have any basis for this speculation, or do we simply go in with the theory, they have oil, we have to get rich? Should we just make some numbers up?

I leave all of that to you and others. This fascination with crunching numbers strikes me as at least mildly neurotic, as does the incessant dissection of every "nooz" article that comes down the pike. If it is to be, why not just sit back and let it happen?

What if it's all false, but the other way.....they are in much worse shape than they claim to be?

I do not discount that possibility, but I certainly do not let it worry me.

Edited July 8, 2012 by Sanssouci

[MrFnHappy]

I do. It's half of what you see.

Thank you, I knew I didn't have it quite right, but in this instance, read is probably more appropriate than see....but I digress.

I leave all of that to you and others. This fascination with crunching numbers strikes me as at least mildly neurotic, as does the incessant dissection of every "nooz" article that comes down the pike. If it is to be, why not just sit back and let it happen?

I'm not sure I'd call it a fascination, but isn't that what the economists do, crunch numbers? I'm not claiming to be an economist, but personally, I need some basis for my speculation. For some reason, I'm just not comfortable with speculating on speculation.

I really don't try to dissect the news, I pretty much take it at face value, and then kind of "average" the articles out to determine what's likely to be most accurate.

I agree that whatever will happen will happen....but isn't the purpose of any forum to air opinions and discuss possibilities?

I do not discount that possibility, but I certainly do not let it worry me.

I'm not worried either, I was just playing devil's advocate by saying "what if".

[BigFrankD]

That is the exact same thing I am trying to figure out. This investment could go either way but if someone is so sure it's going to lop then why keep following the dinar sites. It seems a person would get out now if they are so sure. Just my opinion.

So, this is to you, and all of the "if you don't believe in the RV, then why are you here?" people, which includes practically all the "Go RVers":

If you knew Madoff was lying to people, a year before it became public knowledge, would you have tried to tell people, or just sit back and let people get screwed. Honest question, because it seems by the attitudes you have you would have just sit back and let thousands of people throw their money into an investment you KNEW was bogus. Is that the kind of people you are, so you assume everyone else must be he same way? You don't care at all for your fellow man? Kind of a curious attitude to take, for a group of pwools that seem so inclined towards being Christians.