UNHAPPY MUSLIMS!

[bamagirl]

Hey Tiff... GM. What happened on September 11, 2001 is not just 'something we watched on Fox news'... you don't know how our hearts broke that day... how we cried for people we didn't even know existed the day before... you have no idea what that day did to the American psyche. We do not trust Muslims, they hate us, their children is taught to hate us... they have no tolerance for us. While I don't hate them I am very leery and am unable to not be scared of their motives towards us.... please do not chalk that day up to just a day we watched a disaster on Fox news, it was so much more...

[SherryB]

Bamagirl said it all

[jonjon]

Dive babe, first of all let me ask you or anyone that is against muslims and/or think they are "taking over America"...have YOU personally seen any of this? Really, have you? Instead, I bet not one of you have even spoken to a muslim.... and ordering a big GULP at the local 7-11 doesn't count. You may watch something on Fox news that happened in NY by some radicals..and you just KNOW that their next stop is going to be Joe's Bar & Gill In Huntsville Alabama.

I LIVED in a Muslim country for 2 years and traveled throughout the Middle East extensively, and they were the most loving, welcoming, friendly people I've ever been around. It is literally against their religion to not welcome someone into their homes. Instead, what you are seeing is the equivalent of the KKK representing Christians. 99% of Muslims are peace loving people, just like most Christians or Jew or Hindus.

So someone PLEASE come forward and provide a personal testimony of something that a muslim has done to you in America. And I want to then know, did anything similar happen to you by another white person? Or are go going to paint all muslims by that one incident?

Trust me, Muslim American are scared stiff because of the this type of hanging mob mentality.

AKVET...what I was attempting to get across is that when the Whites arrived in America, they took over by any means necessarily. If you compare that with even what you THINK the Muslims are trying to do to take over America...are they out doing what white Europeans did 300 years ago??? Sure, they may be taking their rights to wear their clothing to court or something like that but it is a far cry from what the whites did against the Native Americans.

As far as drawing a cartoon of Muhammad, that is similar to how Americans would feel when they see someone burn the American Flag and/or the Bible. You see they don't want to worship a false idol, so they don't put anything in their Mosques...nothing, no pictures, no statues...only prayer beads and prayer carpets.

I personally think all religions are a bit off the wall, but while I don't agree with religions themselves, I highly respect those who wish to pray (or not to pray) in their own way.

Ok, I'll wait and see what personal testimones any of you have of the Big Bad Muslims huffing and puffing at your door. I'm waiting...

I have actual film footage of an honor killing of one of their young girls. It was filmed on a cell phone by one of the participants. It doesn't leave anything for the imagination. Very graphic and brutal. There is about twenty people taking part in the beating and murder of this young girl and they're all dressed in modern day American clothing like you would get from your local mall. The final blows that end her life are delivered by a solid cinder block. Too graphic to upload on this site but if you send a PM I will email it to you.

The fact that Muslims murder and mutilate their females can't be denied because there are a lot of witnesses to it.

[jonjon]

The Muslim woman is able to be divorced by being slain and deposited in her best robes by the sea shore and it is never her choice.

[Nelg]

Dive babe, first of all let me ask you or anyone that is against muslims and/or think they are "taking over America"...have YOU personally seen any of this? Really, have you? Instead, I bet not one of you have even spoken to a muslim.... and ordering a big GULP at the local 7-11 doesn't count. You may watch something on Fox news that happened in NY by some radicals..and you just KNOW that their next stop is going to be Joe's Bar & Gill In Huntsville Alabama.

I LIVED in a Muslim country for 2 years and traveled throughout the Middle East extensively, and they were the most loving, welcoming, friendly people I've ever been around. It is literally against their religion to not welcome someone into their homes. Instead, what you are seeing is the equivalent of the KKK representing Christians. 99% of Muslims are peace loving people, just like most Christians or Jew or Hindus.

So someone PLEASE come forward and provide a personal testimony of something that a muslim has done to you in America. And I want to then know, did anything similar happen to you by another white person? Or are go going to paint all muslims by that one incident?

Trust me, Muslim American are scared stiff because of the this type of hanging mob mentality.

AKVET...what I was attempting to get across is that when the Whites arrived in America, they took over by any means necessarily. If you compare that with even what you THINK the Muslims are trying to do to take over America...are they out doing what white Europeans did 300 years ago??? Sure, they may be taking their rights to wear their clothing to court or something like that but it is a far cry from what the whites did against the Native Americans.

As far as drawing a cartoon of Muhammad, that is similar to how Americans would feel when they see someone burn the American Flag and/or the Bible. You see they don't want to worship a false idol, so they don't put anything in their Mosques...nothing, no pictures, no statues...only prayer beads and prayer carpets.

I personally think all religions are a bit off the wall, but while I don't agree with religions themselves, I highly respect those who wish to pray (or not to pray) in their own way.

Ok, I'll wait and see what personal testimones any of you have of the Big Bad Muslims huffing and puffing at your door. I'm waiting...

Hi Tiff,

I think we all need to remember that being Muslim is a political system under the guise of a religion. The intent and purpose of all Muslims is to make every country Muslim. There is freedom in any Muslim dominated country: become a Muslim, pay a tax to be anything else, or be killed or leave their country. That is their freedom.

As a political system and the Sharia Law, it exists to make sure that individuals practice the Islamic beliefs. There process of taking over a country is simple: immigration, convert the disenfranchised. Once that is done and they have a majority, then they will become demanding and dictatorially intolerant to those who are not Muslim.

Yes, I have been to Muslim countries and they were friendly, because I was only there for a short period. Had I tried to live there and teach the Christian faith I would be looked upon as an intruder, interloper, and infidel. Actually, just being a non-Muslim is enough to have the infidel status.

The biggest threat that Muslims have is each other. If you are not of a particular Islamic sect, you can be killed (in Muslim countries), and they are doing that on a daily basis in Iraq. Keep this is mind, Islam is both a political system and a religion. The conflicts are for BOTH reasons.

Individuals who do not care what religion or political stance one takes are usually very comfortable in the company of any and all religions or systems of government. To have the opinion that everyone is correct allows one to shift to any position. I can't do that. I have studied Islam for over a year from their own writings: Qur'an, Hadeth or Sunna, and their scholars who teach in Islamic Study courses. I tried to stay away from Christians and Jewish literature about the Muslim. I have found from their own teachings that "allah" is not the same as the Christian and Jewish God, Muhammad's revelation in the Qur'an is vile and inaccurate, and the religion a guise for a dictatorial political system.

For a truly free country (not their definition of freedom) it would be disastrous to allow them dominance.

[desimo]

I am sure there are some 'good' muslims inspite of what the koran and hatiffs teach. But before anyone wants to say how the poor muslims are all misunderstood and the victims of Fox news please explain David Pearle.

[Nelg]

There are good people in all political systems and religions. That begs the question. It is the system that determines the actions of the country and may force individuals to act in ways they would not do normally.

[Shabibilicious]

Unhappy Muslims........much the same way Americans are unhappy in this country. That's an eerie coincidence.

GO RV, then BV

[desimo]

The issue is not the person. I have spoke often in the past with people in Turkey who have a totally different world view and religious view than those of iraq. But when religious addiction and religious fanaticism enters the picture than good people go bad. Those who follow a hard line view of the koran and teachings of mohommad, along with sheria law, have a religious world view which justifies killing any and all non-muslims.

[Black Swan]

Renee babe, in my post I asked about instances of atrocities that AMERICAN Muslims have done to other Americans. 9/11 was mainly Saudi Muslims, that is very different. These zealots were extremely upset because the Saudi gov't allowed infidels into their holy land, when we went in to Kuwait during the first gulf war. That is similar to Obama allowing an Iranian army to settle in California inorder to invade Mexico. How many of you would have been ticked off at that? I am in no way saying what they did was right, I'm just giving you insight on how they felt.

Again, I want to hear first hand of any AMERICAN Muslims causing any of you problems?

Nelg...I always appreciate your insight, you are a thinker and a man of God and not know to give in to Group Think. (and so is Renee as well). Do Muslims that move to a new country wish to prorogate their religion? Oh yea. Did European immigrates do the same in America 200 years ago. Oh yea. What they didn't kill, they stuck on reservations.

The original string of this conversation is that I stated Muslims have some growing up to do. Just as Christians did in by gone days...I won't even go into the Spanish inquisitions, witch trials, dark ages...you get the point, Christian had to face their own skeletons in the closet.

This thread reminds me of a bunch of 9 year old girls sitting around the campfire listening to ghost stories and then seeing a specter around every tree trunk on your way back to the tent and wetting your pants for things that never come to pass.

Trust me, the last thing an American Muslim wants to do, is move to a small southern town and infringe on your backyard bar-b-ques.

Here’s an experiment for those of you with any gonads, why not pack up the kids, the dog and go visit your local mosque (what you don’t have one within a 1000 miles? And you are worried about them invading your neighborhood) Then, let’s see what kind of reaction you get when you show up. My guess, and yes it is an educated guess, is that you would be welcome with open arms. You simply need to say, hey me and the Mrs. were in the neighborhood and we’d like to see what this Allah fellow has to say about destroying my neck of the woods. (by the way this accent is a form of humor, I love my southern friends on this site) They would be in utter shock and would invite you in for all the tea you could drink. Then the following weekend, invite them to your place of worship and let’s see what type of reception they get.

Now that would be a real eye opener. My guess is they won't be invited to participate in the church picnic. Just saying...

Tiff

Edited June 18, 2012 by Black Swan

[nstoolman1]

Just a comment: I put in my zip to find a mosque within 100 miles and 175 came up. I had no idea there were that many.

[Artitech]

Get your head out of the sand. They are causing problems all over the U.S. I'm not good at pasting but google A woman by the name of Bridgette Gabriel, if I have spelled her name correctly. She has many instances of problems with these people. IMHO they are trouble and need to addressed accordingly. Why aint you wearin a burka, if you were in a muslim country, I could accuse you of being ***** for talking to another man and you could be stoned to death or horse whipped. One thing about muslim men they do have a handle on their woman! No all kidding aside I would never want my mother, wife, or daughter treated the way muslims treat their woman. JMHO! One last thing the Indains may have lost the battle, but they aint lost the war, you might want to come see this reservation next to the Texas Oklahoma border. Cause they are kickin a-- on the white man and everbody else that wants a piece of them with their casinos! the moral of story who has the most money has the power. In closing I aint seen casino yet built on winners. The Native Americans and their reservation = BIG MONEY dont believe me come see for yourself they will be glad to see you and your money!!!! only it want be yours long! JMHO! Go RV

[desimo]

If you do not think American muslims can also be distructive ask some on here who live in Detroit. They will tell you how they got business to remove the flag from in front of the business because it was offensive. That is only a beginning. But start with them.

[Black Swan]

Get your head out of the sand. They are causing problems all over the U.S. I'm not good at pasting but google A woman by the name of Bridgette Gabriel, if I have spelled her name correctly. She has many instances of problems with these people. IMHO they are trouble and need to addressed accordingly. Why aint you wearin a burka, if you were in a muslim country, I could accuse you of being ***** for talking to another man and you could be stoned to death or horse whipped. One thing about muslim men they do have a handle on their woman! No all kidding aside I would never want my mother, wife, or daughter treated the way muslims treat their woman. JMHO

Oh boy, as Ronald Reagan would say, there you go again.

You and Desimo are bringing up sensationalism from the ENTIRE US News. There are 300 million of us, so yea, somewhere some Muslim is doing an American Christian wrong. But what have they done to YOU. Not one person has yet to come forward with a first hand experience. Not one.

I'm not talking about non-American Muslims and how they do business in other countries, the original OP was about what they try to do in countries they immigrate to. Again and again, you want to take the discussion elsewhere. No dice Charley.

Funny nstool actually looked into it...175 and he hasn't heard a peep from one...simply Amazing.

[40oz]

Funny nstool actually looked into it...175 and he hasn't heard a peep from one...simply Amazing.

That's because it's 99.9% propaganda and mind games.

[desimo]

Oh boy, as Ronald Reagan would say, there you go again.

You and Desimo are bringing up sensationalism from the ENTIRE US News. There are 300 million of us, so yea, somewhere some Muslim is doing an American Christian wrong. But what have they done to YOU. Not one person has yet to come forward with a first hand experience. Not one.

I'm not talking about non-American Muslims and how they do business in other countries, the original OP was about what they try to do in countries they immigrate to. Again and again, you want to take the discussion elsewhere. No dice Charley.

Funny nstool actually looked into it...175 and he hasn't heard a peep from one...simply Amazing.

I don't know what you are talking about buy my nephew is in Afghanistan and if one of your freindly muslims kill him then there is war! I will take it out on any ******* I see.

I do not care about US news. I know what has been going on with some of the Detroit and other areas. Ask them. I have also had an employee whose wife was in Saudi. She was scared of the clothing police. She does not scare.

Edited June 18, 2012 by desimo

[Black Swan]

I don't know what you are talking about buy my nephew is in Afghanistan and if one of your freindly muslims kill him then there is war! I will take it out on any ******* I see.

I do not care about US news. I know what has been going on with some of the Detroit and other areas. Ask them. I have also had an employee whose wife was in Saudi. She was scared of the clothing police. She does not scare.

I see, so if one of your Great Uncles was killed by a German Christian soldier in WWII, you'd be going after him as well?

Talk about a jihad...maybe a few of the Native Americans should look up your family name and see what skeletons you have in your family closet and come a knocking

And to think there are people like you walking the streets of America.....NZ never looked so good. Wow…

[tkeaton]

All the Muslim countries listed were or are currently ruled by dictatorships. It is very early in their re-birth (the Arab Spring). They have a lot of growning up to do. Give it another 40 years and they will be doing just peachy.

I don't know what you're smoking but it must be good. Give me one example where a country was ruled by muzzies for more than 40 years where there was contentment. Study your history!

[desimo]

I see, so if one of your Great Uncles was killed by a German Christian soldier in WWII, you'd be going after him as well?

Talk about a jihad...maybe a few of the Native Americans should look up your family name and see what skeletons you have in your family closet and come a knocking

And to think there are people like you walking the streets of America.....NZ never looked so good. Wow…

Do you think before you write? I am Cherokee, Shawnee, Powhatan.

[Nelg]

Renee babe, in my post I asked about instances of atrocities that AMERICAN Muslims have done to other Americans. 9/11 was mainly Saudi Muslims, that is very different. These zealots were extremely upset because the Saudi gov't allowed infidels into their holy land, when we went in to Kuwait during the first gulf war. That is similar to Obama allowing an Iranian army to settle in California inorder to invade Mexico. How many of you would have been ticked off at that? I am in no way saying what they did was right, I'm just giving you insight on how they felt.

Again, I want to hear first hand of any AMERICAN Muslims causing any of you problems?

Nelg...I always appreciate your insight, you are a thinker and a man of God and not know to give in to Group Think. (and so is Renee as well). Do Muslims that move to a new country wish to prorogate their religion? Oh yea. Did European immigrates do the same in America 200 years ago. Oh yea. What they didn't kill, they stuck on reservations.

The original string of this conversation is that I stated Muslims have some growing up to do. Just as Christians did in by gone days...I won't even go into the Spanish inquisitions, witch trials, dark ages...you get the point, Christian had to face their own skeletons in the closet.

This thread reminds me of a bunch of 9 year old girls sitting around the campfire listening to ghost stories and then seeing a specter around every tree trunk on your way back to the tent and wetting your pants for things that never come to pass.

Trust me, the last thing an American Muslim wants to do, is move to a small southern town and infringe on your backyard bar-b-ques.

Here’s an experiment for those of you with any gonads, why not pack up the kids, the dog and go visit your local mosque (what you don’t have one within a 1000 miles? And you are worried about them invading your neighborhood) Then, let’s see what kind of reaction you get when you show up. My guess, and yes it is an educated guess, is that you would be welcome with open arms. You simply need to say, hey me and the Mrs. were in the neighborhood and we’d like to see what this Allah fellow has to say about destroying my neck of the woods. (by the way this accent is a form of humor, I love my southern friends on this site) They would be in utter shock and would invite you in for all the tea you could drink. Then the following weekend, invite them to your place of worship and let’s see what type of reception they get.

Now that would be a real eye opener. My guess is they won't be invited to participate in the church picnic. Just saying...

Tiff

Hi Tiff,

Yep, we have three mosques in town. One is about two or three miles from my house. They have a right to be where they are, or anywhere else. That is religious freedom in the U.S. The killing and slaughter of unbelievers is part of Muslim and Christian history. It was inconsistent with the Christian faith then and it is wrong today. Unfortunately the Qur'an and Muslim Law promote this behavior. The Catholic church ask for forgiveness of this wrong many years ago. The Muslims have never ask for forgiveness of their slaughter into other countries. It is their religious DNA., that is, it is part of their belief system.

Invitations can be sent to Muslims, but as a group, they will not come to the church. However, Muslims are converting to Christianity by the thousands once they learn of Christ and the consistency of revelation.

My presence would not be appreciated at their Mosque since I have taught that "allah" is not the God of the Christian and that Muhammad is a political figure, renegade, and the Qur'an is inconsistent within itself and reason. Muhammad is a fraud that built his religion around his political agenda to maintain control of the populaces and money.

Teaching that we can all get along does not mean that I accept their error for truth.

[Black Swan]

I don't know what you're smoking but it must be good. Give me one example where a country was ruled by muzzies for more than 40 years where there was contentment. Study your history!

Interesting that you put that particular time span on it, because you know I'd throw out Turkey as a shining example of Democracy. Indonesia isn't so bad either.

May I throw the same challenge back to you? What Christian country has there been contentment in the same type period? America is renown for being one of the least happy people on earth. The happiest people are those in the Scandinavian countries...which are pretty much atheist. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-happiest-countries-in-the-world.html?page=all

But once again, you guys are coloring outside the lines. The OP was about Muslims who are immigrants and what kind of strife they cause in the new country that they immigrate too

Also, my very first post was saying that Muslims have a lot of growing up to do. I stand by that statement.

Now, if you want to start up a different threat and label it "Everything that Muslims have done to cause problems in the World" knock yourself out. But once again, not one person has come forward with a personal testimony about something that an American Muslim has done to them. Yawn...I'm going to have to close shop soon...no business is showing up.

Nelg, babe, I love you to death, but I totally disagree. In my eyes, they have just as much right to believe in their religion as you do. The only difference is that Christians have evolved to a high level of acceptance. Muslims will get there in time. Nuff said.

As far as you Desimo, when someone starts talking about doing random acts of violence to people, it's time for me to take the popsicle cart on down the road. I don't acknowledge this type of behavior, so we Sir, are done.

[desimo]

That was probably the best news that I have read yet!!!!!!! I would probably hold the same view if my brother would have got killing in Nam. Somehow I think you are use to talking without experience or without thinking.

[Nelg]

Nelg, babe, I love you to death, but I totally disagree. In my eyes, they have just as much right to believe in their religion as you do. The only difference is that Christians have evolved to a high level of acceptance. Muslims will get there in time. Nuff said.

Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/120449-unhappy-muslims/page__st__40#ixzz1yCld8Vd4

Check your figures Tiff. The Muslim faith is much, much, larger than the Christian religion. This is nothing about "rights" to their belief. There are few who would withhold their rights! Certainly they can believe what they want. The basis of both Christianity and Islam is a supposed revelation. One stands being tested and questioned and the the other does not. Try questioning the Qur'an in a Muslim country and see what kind of reception you get. The Bible, on the other hand is constantly challenged, tested, and evaluated by archaeology, history, geography, science, language, and consistency of teaching. Believers invite it. Muslims do not.

Besides, what does it really matter to you? I not being flippant or unkind, but simply wanting to know. If you believe everyone's religion is acceptable, then you do not have a standard of what is true and what is not. If one is placed over another, then you have a standard and guide to lead you into truth. To say that the Christian faith is mature and the Islamic faith is not means that you have a standard to judge faiths. Is this correct, or would I be jumping off the cliff on this one?

[delta22]

Tiff ,honey been worried cause I haven't seen you in awhile,but glad your back even with a new name. Watch this and it might give you pause and don't forget I

have spent more time among muslims than you've been alive .If this doesn't scare you, nothing will...

Has not made the mainstream news......

Please send this to everyone you know...........

[jonjon]

I have actual film footage of an honor killing of one of their young girls. It was filmed on a cell phone by one of the participants. It doesn't leave anything for the imagination. Very graphic and brutal. There is about twenty people taking part in the beating and murder of this young girl and they're all dressed in modern day American clothing like you would get from your local mall. The final blows that end her life are delivered by a solid cinder block. Too graphic to upload on this site but if you send a PM I will email it to you.

The fact that Muslims murder and mutilate their females can't be blocked by closing our eyes tightly.