KAPERONI

[SWFloridaGuy]

6-13-2012 Kaperoni: This article is not good. It appears clearly in this article they are talking redenomination or LOP. I am not giving up hope, but this seems pretty compelling that Iraq may not be honoring the dinar at face value post redenomination. The best one can gain from this is 2X or 3X our investment if this is true. "Raised the proposal to delete the zeros of the Iraqi currency. Sensation to those interested in economic affairs and there are fears of the citizens is considered a step in the right way to restoring the integrity of the Iraqi currency and get rid of inflation suffered by the Iraqi economy, especially as the volume of currency in circulation which is estimated about 30 trillion dinars. Decision is an important step in the monetary reform and strengthen the confidence of citizens in national currency In the view of other parties including the government that the proposal to delete the zeros will carry the country's overstretched as it will increase the phenomenon of money laundering and would negatively affect the financial trading in the stock market with the possibility of rising inflation and rates greater than the difference between the current and visionaries We found it is necessary to approach this subject and the valley in which we try to simplify what is happening and inform citizens on the merits of the deletion of zeros from the currency current...

The process of deleting the zeros of the Iraqi dinar will not affect the value of the currency Circulation and therefore would not affect the purchasing power of the Iraqi dinar and therefore the value will remain fixed and will not benefit the buyer of the dinar present something after deletion of zeros, as will change gradually and lasts for more than a year during which the old currency is present in the market along with the new currency and this has happened in some countries such as Turkey, which the two currencies remained in circulation for four years until he used the citizen on the matter and gradually dissipated his fears. Thus, the citizen will not win a thing of the deletion process, considering that the currency's strength is measured by the level of stability and certified the value of this award and are focused on the strength of the productive sector is able to provide Goods and services. The deletion of zeros is the process of formal and not a fact is called illusion cash and put forward by the CBI is to reduce the use of the dollar in trading, interior and ease of carrying currency and facilitate banking transactions and reduce the money supply in circulation and facilitate held accountable individuals and restore confidence in Iraqi dinars locally and internationally. The operation is the deletion of zeros only, without re-evaluation of the currency exchange rate and whether the operation will take place while retaining the form of currency or that the form of currency will and what denominations the new that will be circulated and printed all of this must be known to the citizen before the coming of the new currency. Dr Shabibi during a session of the Parliamentary Finance Committee He said that as of 8-16?% Of the categories of the ten thousand dinars, and a five and twenty thousand dinars currently in circulation are fake. In addition to the cost of destroying the old currency and can take advantage of the operation in money laundering and increased administrative corruption to alter the counterfeit currency and stagger trading and increase the demand for the dollar which increases the rate of exchange in the domestic market and thereby increase the prices of commercial goods and high inflation undermines confidence in the Iraqi economy.

The following Agaftna was with a professor at the College of Business and Economics University of Babylon, Dr. Jawad al-Bakri, who started his historical development of the Iraqi currency, saying the Iraqi dinar is linked in pounds sterling for a long time, but now linked to the U.S. dollar. Did not change rate of the dinar against the U.S. dollar throughout the period between 1987 and 1992, as the U.S. dollar was equal to 0.311 Iraqi dinars. There are restrictions on foreign exchange and dealing in foreign exchange and after the second Gulf War, the deterioration rate of the dinar influenced by the economic embargo imposed by the United Nations. Today the money supply nearly 30 trillion Iraqi dinars to the various groups. With price stability and optimism in Iraq's future development, it became necessary radical reform on the management system of currency and the re-structuring in proportion to the price of new goods and levels of wages and salaries, which differed significantly from the last thirty years, in addition to handling the mass of large cash weak components to become the largest category for the currency. Get asked about the positives of the decision to delete the zeros and the replacement of the currency Re-Bakri said: One of the major pros is to stop the dollarization of the Iraqi economy, which Is one of the most important challenges facing the makers of monetary policy in developing countries in general and Iraq in particular, which means the use of United States dollars or any foreign currency with the ability of the replacement of the national currency in transactions and contracts the internal financial and promised her a store of value at the same time. Either positive second will be by reducing the rates of inflation Balamd average, which include raising the external value of the Iraqi dinar (ie, the nominal exchange rate) in a manner commensurate with the real exchange rate to contain inflationary expectations, taking into consideration the trends emerging inflation and the level of acceptance and availability of reserves, inflation and the level of acceptance and availability of international reserves with the CBI and in a manner restrain inflationary expectations referred to above and to reduce the speed of money circulation, the deletion of zeros of the three conversion means 30 trillion dinars to $ 30 billion by deleting three zeros from the currency and replace the current new currency.

Central, and has undergone during this period to an extensive study over the need to raise zeros to strengthen the value of the currency of Iraq. Results 1 that the deletion of zeros from the currency more than the current new currency purchasing power of the Iraqi dinar currency Fastbdul attendant benefits Economic of the country and accompanied by a feasibility study and financial. 2 The process of deleting the zeros in the event of their application, it will limit the size of the money supply and facilitate the circulation of the new currency and this will be reflected positively on the country's economy. 3 that there are three zeros in the figures of the currency is not logical and the loss due to excessive confusion that gets discourage the circulation of currency, as well as the continuing rise of inflation to criticism of Iraq. 4 that the process of deleting the zeroes lead to increased market confidence in Iraqi dinars and ease of trading in which some of us still shorten the figures in the daily dealings in buying and selling a thousand dinars, saying dinars, or half a dinar and so on. 5 to delete the zeros does not achieve gains do not result in losses not only mean changing what is unchanged is the only number expressed as (1000) is equal to m (1 km), what has changed is the name of the unit of measurement is not only. 6 The are some of the world carried out a deletion of zeros of Sudan as the two zeros were deleted from its currency in 2007, Bolivia was deleted three zeros from its currency in 2008 and omitted the State of Zimbabwe ten zeros from its currency in 2008. 7 If the Iraqi government has been able to make the new Iraqi dinar after deletion of zeros which is equal to or greater than its value for the dollar as it was in the past at the exchange, we are all, without exception, with the deletion of zeros and the replacement of the current currency the currency of new non-zeros as it once was.

Through the foregoing And what has put forward the views of the specialists To be recognized that the process of raising The zeros of the new currency is necessary and of great importance to the Iraqi economy, but studies need to be Depth from which to find the means to ward off corruption in the process to restore all the merits of the Iraqi dinar against other currencies prestige and to educate citizens about the results expected from him in which to dissipate the fear of change that dominated the currency. http://dinaralert.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7786283-conscious-deletion-of-zeros-from-the-currency-decision-is-preceded-by-the-fear-of-citizens-and-economists-warned-achievement-

[keepmwlknfny]

You mean to tell me he now all of a sudden realizes that this whole time they have been talking about a lop??

It only took you what, like 4 or 5 years to see the truth??

Will you now apologize for pumping the RD as something we wanted and apologize to all the "lopsters" for being incorrect??

[SWFloridaGuy]

I just saw that someone else had already started this Kaperoni thread. Sorry about the repost guys.

[Captjohn]

I am a bit surprised that Kap is reacting so strongly. There is a good chance that this is part of a disinformation effort to get speculators to give up and sell their dinar. There have been many recent articles where the cbi has stated that the value of the dinar would retain its value after an RV. I suggest that all stay the course and suspect some foul play here. Time will tell.

[webup]

No matter how much stuff the CBI releases I think some will still refuse to accept the possibility of an RD.

They will be at their bank saying no don't give me that much I want 25,000USD for each of my 25k dinar notes.

[jeepguy]

i will still stay the course on the article about how the 50 dinar will be equal too 43.oo u.s.dollars ,,,,this was an older post i think around first of year or middle last year ,,, ---------> got too stay positive on the returns

link:

Read more: http://translate.goo...A#ixzz1lFYSNcDA

01-02-2012 | (Voice of Iraq) - Add a comment - BAGHDAD - The Euphrates News Praised the MP for the mass of the citizen Hussain Abtan, the central bank steps to delete the zeros of the Iraqi dinar, pointing out that these steps be a greater impact on the Iraqi economy in the event of a court established within the plan. Abtan said in a statement to the Euphrates News Agency {} that "the central bank steps to remove the zeros of the Iraqi dinar, a bold and would raise the exchange value of the dinar against the U.S. dollar." Iraq is working on a project to delete the zeros from the currency to facilitate financial transactions in the country with the country's openness to international markets and try to attract capital and investors to contribute to government efforts to rebuild the crumbling infrastructure as a result of decades of war and siege. Abtan said, that "the steps the bank will be the largest impact on the Iraqi economy and the lives of citizens in the event of an economic plan put in one of its components are the central bank." The CBI had announced earlier that the new Iraqi currency will increase by three zeros, indicating that he had conducted an extensive study concluded that the lifting of the zeroes will strengthen the value of the Iraqi currency. The MP said that he "can not load the bank's management responsible for the deterioration of the economic reality in the country, he is responsible for fiscal policy only."

Read more: http://translate.goo...A#ixzz1lFYfzCfV

Let's hope this means the deletion is from the .00087 rate to bring it op to $.87!

Go Dinar! --------------- i know i know ,,,,, it`s off the currency it`s off the currency ------- back too stay positive

Edited June 14, 2012 by jeepguy

[webup]

When they talk about the zeroes they dont mean from the exchange rate. They are talking about removing the 000's off the currency they will phase out and replace with RD'ed currency ie New 25 dinar notes

[PartyTime]

I am a bit surprised that Kap is reacting so strongly. There is a good chance that this is part of a disinformation effort to get speculators to give up and sell their dinar. There have been many recent articles where the cbi has stated that the value of the dinar would retain its value after an RV. I suggest that all stay the course and suspect some foul play here. Time will tell.

That just means after removing the 3 zeros the new rate on the new currency will be 1 new dinar = 86 ccents USD. This would result in a RV where the dinar maintains the same value.

Current value on current dinar with 3 zeros is 1,000 dinar = 86 cents USD

New value on new dinar without 3 zeros is 1 dinar = 86 cents USD

That would result in the dinar keeping the same VALUE

The question is, how will the old dinar with the 3 zeros be treated after they do this? Will a 25,000 dinar get treated as having 25,000 dinar x 86 cents USD based on the new rate, OR, will they treat the 25,000 dinar as being a 25 dinar note as 25 x 86 cents?

The breakeven point just to maintain the same VALUE requires a new minimumj rate of 1 new dinar = 86 cents USD. Anything below a 86 cents rate to 1 new dinar would create a DEVALUE in the currency. They certainly don't want to devalue their currency, they want to INCREASE its value!

The ONLYway they can do a lower rate than 86 cents and not result in devaluing the currency is only if they RV WITH the 3 zeros in place. Once the 3 zeros are removed the new 1 dinar note has to be = to 86 cents just to maintain the same value.

[JuryPicker]

You mean to tell me he now all of a sudden realizes that this whole time they have been talking about a lop??

It only took you what, like 4 or 5 years to see the truth??

Will you now apologize for pumping the RD as something we wanted and apologize to all the "lopsters" for being incorrect??

You really need to stick to working on successful peoples toys and give up trying to act like you know anything. Glorified article reader = out of the loop.

[rockfl9]

CBI has any anounced they are printing 25, 50 and 100 dinar bills plus some new coins! If you think they plan for the new 25 bill to be worth current 25 dinar rate (2 cents ) when it costs 4 cents to print they are wasting money.

Watch for the timing! they will annonce more "training/explanations " in the press.. Then a banking holliday (prob a weekend ) then RD by 1000. now 1 New-new IQD =$0.86.Then after the dust settles . start buying back IQD at 0.88.

Why do this? to get dinar float closer to $1 (the international base for oil).. we expected that all along , but thought it would drop $ in our pockets! Why would iraq give away their money to Infidels?

[Tropics]

You mean to tell me he now all of a sudden realizes that this whole time they have been talking about a lop??

It only took you what, like 4 or 5 years to see the truth??

Will you now apologize for pumping the RD as something we wanted and apologize to all the "lopsters" for being incorrect??

So that means you are really stupid. By your own statement you have known the truth for 4 or 5 years and invested in the dinar knowing you would make no money.

[eileen]

So that means you are really stupid. By your own statement you have known the truth for 4 or 5 years and invested in the dinar knowing you would make no money.

BAWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Couldn't resist, lol, that's funny.

[TimS]

You mean to tell me he now all of a sudden realizes that this whole time they have been talking about a lop??

It only took you what, like 4 or 5 years to see the truth??

Will you now apologize for pumping the RD as something we wanted and apologize to all the "lopsters" for being incorrect??

Don't understand why you got all the negs....I gave you a plus, not much help....lol. It's not like you wrote the article.

Been sayin this was possibility all along......delete 3 zeros, then raise value back top pre-war rates....and that's how we make 3x our investment.

we shall see

[hablrob]

Kaperbalonge is on someones payroll.

Get them to buy..he gets paid.

Get them to sell...he gets paid.

6-13-2012 Kaperoni: This article is not good. It appears clearly in this article they are talking redenomination or LOP. I am not giving up hope, but this seems pretty compelling that Iraq may not be honoring the dinar at face value post redenomination. The best one can gain from this is 2X or 3X our investment if this is true. "Raised the proposal to delete the zeros of the Iraqi currency. Sensation to those interested in economic affairs and there are fears of the citizens is considered a step in the right way to restoring the integrity of the Iraqi currency and get rid of inflation suffered by the Iraqi economy, especially as the volume of currency in circulation which is estimated about 30 trillion dinars. Decision is an important step in the monetary reform and strengthen the confidence of citizens in national currency In the view of other parties including the government that the proposal to delete the zeros will carry the country's overstretched as it will increase the phenomenon of money laundering and would negatively affect the financial trading in the stock market with the possibility of rising inflation and rates greater than the difference between the current and visionaries We found it is necessary to approach this subject and the valley in which we try to simplify what is happening and inform citizens on the merits of the deletion of zeros from the currency current...

The process of deleting the zeros of the Iraqi dinar will not affect the value of the currency Circulation and therefore would not affect the purchasing power of the Iraqi dinar and therefore the value will remain fixed and will not benefit the buyer of the dinar present something after deletion of zeros, as will change gradually and lasts for more than a year during which the old currency is present in the market along with the new currency and this has happened in some countries such as Turkey, which the two currencies remained in circulation for four years until he used the citizen on the matter and gradually dissipated his fears. Thus, the citizen will not win a thing of the deletion process, considering that the currency's strength is measured by the level of stability and certified the value of this award and are focused on the strength of the productive sector is able to provide Goods and services. The deletion of zeros is the process of formal and not a fact is called illusion cash and put forward by the CBI is to reduce the use of the dollar in trading, interior and ease of carrying currency and facilitate banking transactions and reduce the money supply in circulation and facilitate held accountable individuals and restore confidence in Iraqi dinars locally and internationally. The operation is the deletion of zeros only, without re-evaluation of the currency exchange rate and whether the operation will take place while retaining the form of currency or that the form of currency will and what denominations the new that will be circulated and printed all of this must be known to the citizen before the coming of the new currency. Dr Shabibi during a session of the Parliamentary Finance Committee He said that as of 8-16?% Of the categories of the ten thousand dinars, and a five and twenty thousand dinars currently in circulation are fake. In addition to the cost of destroying the old currency and can take advantage of the operation in money laundering and increased administrative corruption to alter the counterfeit currency and stagger trading and increase the demand for the dollar which increases the rate of exchange in the domestic market and thereby increase the prices of commercial goods and high inflation undermines confidence in the Iraqi economy.

The following Agaftna was with a professor at the College of Business and Economics University of Babylon, Dr. Jawad al-Bakri, who started his historical development of the Iraqi currency, saying the Iraqi dinar is linked in pounds sterling for a long time, but now linked to the U.S. dollar. Did not change rate of the dinar against the U.S. dollar throughout the period between 1987 and 1992, as the U.S. dollar was equal to 0.311 Iraqi dinars. There are restrictions on foreign exchange and dealing in foreign exchange and after the second Gulf War, the deterioration rate of the dinar influenced by the economic embargo imposed by the United Nations. Today the money supply nearly 30 trillion Iraqi dinars to the various groups. With price stability and optimism in Iraq's future development, it became necessary radical reform on the management system of currency and the re-structuring in proportion to the price of new goods and levels of wages and salaries, which differed significantly from the last thirty years, in addition to handling the mass of large cash weak components to become the largest category for the currency. Get asked about the positives of the decision to delete the zeros and the replacement of the currency Re-Bakri said: One of the major pros is to stop the dollarization of the Iraqi economy, which Is one of the most important challenges facing the makers of monetary policy in developing countries in general and Iraq in particular, which means the use of United States dollars or any foreign currency with the ability of the replacement of the national currency in transactions and contracts the internal financial and promised her a store of value at the same time. Either positive second will be by reducing the rates of inflation Balamd average, which include raising the external value of the Iraqi dinar (ie, the nominal exchange rate) in a manner commensurate with the real exchange rate to contain inflationary expectations, taking into consideration the trends emerging inflation and the level of acceptance and availability of reserves, inflation and the level of acceptance and availability of international reserves with the CBI and in a manner restrain inflationary expectations referred to above and to reduce the speed of money circulation, the deletion of zeros of the three conversion means 30 trillion dinars to $ 30 billion by deleting three zeros from the currency and replace the current new currency.

Central, and has undergone during this period to an extensive study over the need to raise zeros to strengthen the value of the currency of Iraq. Results 1 that the deletion of zeros from the currency more than the current new currency purchasing power of the Iraqi dinar currency Fastbdul attendant benefits Economic of the country and accompanied by a feasibility study and financial. 2 The process of deleting the zeros in the event of their application, it will limit the size of the money supply and facilitate the circulation of the new currency and this will be reflected positively on the country's economy. 3 that there are three zeros in the figures of the currency is not logical and the loss due to excessive confusion that gets discourage the circulation of currency, as well as the continuing rise of inflation to criticism of Iraq. 4 that the process of deleting the zeroes lead to increased market confidence in Iraqi dinars and ease of trading in which some of us still shorten the figures in the daily dealings in buying and selling a thousand dinars, saying dinars, or half a dinar and so on. 5 to delete the zeros does not achieve gains do not result in losses not only mean changing what is unchanged is the only number expressed as (1000) is equal to m (1 km), what has changed is the name of the unit of measurement is not only. 6 The are some of the world carried out a deletion of zeros of Sudan as the two zeros were deleted from its currency in 2007, Bolivia was deleted three zeros from its currency in 2008 and omitted the State of Zimbabwe ten zeros from its currency in 2008. 7 If the Iraqi government has been able to make the new Iraqi dinar after deletion of zeros which is equal to or greater than its value for the dollar as it was in the past at the exchange, we are all, without exception, with the deletion of zeros and the replacement of the current currency the currency of new non-zeros as it once was.

Through the foregoing And what has put forward the views of the specialists To be recognized that the process of raising The zeros of the new currency is necessary and of great importance to the Iraqi economy, but studies need to be Depth from which to find the means to ward off corruption in the process to restore all the merits of the Iraqi dinar against other currencies prestige and to educate citizens about the results expected from him in which to dissipate the fear of change that dominated the currency. http://dinaralert.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7786283-conscious-deletion-of-zeros-from-the-currency-decision-is-preceded-by-the-fear-of-citizens-and-economists-warned-achievement-

[keepmwlknfny]

So that means you are really stupid. By your own statement you have known the truth for 4 or 5 years and invested in the dinar knowing you would make no money.

No actually...havent been invested that long....but Kap has been around about that long...thats what I was referring to.....

I knew that worst case I would break even if nothing happened.....

Looks like the ASSumptions are getting you no where fast!!!

[Captjohn]

That just means after removing the 3 zeros the new rate on the new currency will be 1 new dinar = 86 ccents USD. This would result in a RV where the dinar maintains the same value.

Current value on current dinar with 3 zeros is 1,000 dinar = 86 cents USD

New value on new dinar without 3 zeros is 1 dinar = 86 cents USD

That would result in the dinar keeping the same VALUE

The question is, how will the old dinar with the 3 zeros be treated after they do this? Will a 25,000 dinar get treated as having 25,000 dinar x 86 cents USD based on the new rate, OR, will they treat the 25,000 dinar as being a 25 dinar note as 25 x 86 cents?

The breakeven point just to maintain the same VALUE requires a new minimumj rate of 1 new dinar = 86 cents USD. Anything below a 86 cents rate to 1 new dinar would create a DEVALUE in the currency. They certainly don't want to devalue their currency, they want to INCREASE its value!

The ONLYway they can do a lower rate than 86 cents and not result in devaluing the currency is only if they RV WITH the 3 zeros in place. Once the 3 zeros are removed the new 1 dinar note has to be = to 86 cents just to maintain the same value.

For the full background story on this April 13th article, check out Enorrste's response on the Dinar Alert site. It will restore your confidence in the CBI's often stated intention to RV, retaining the Dinar's value ie., no LOP. (regrets to Keep).

[BruceV]

I don't know what to believe. Kraporoni has been wrong so many times. Articles will say one thingand if you wait a few minutes you'll find another to discredit it. We wait Reguardless!

[tandy]

I mean no offensive oders here so if you smell something it may mean something stinks...after checking the worlds most influential people, then looking at the most brilliant folks, and going deeper and looking for the most powerful dudes then seeing who knows more about Iraq's think tanks, political processes, CBI's activities, etc, etc (you get the idea)....Sorry but couldn't find that dudes name mentiones anywhere....dang!!!! I'm confused....

[skrappyone]

I mean no offensive oders here so if you smell something it may mean something stinks...after checking the worlds most influential people, then looking at the most brilliant folks, and going deeper and looking for the most powerful dudes then seeing who knows more about Iraq's think tanks, political processes, CBI's activities, etc, etc (you get the idea)....Sorry but couldn't find that dudes name mentiones anywhere....dang!!!! I'm confused....

You have to look in the guru's. I found a list of the so called guru's. Cant remember where but it was while I was checking for dong news. Some of the guru's are ok and some offer the same bs depending on whether they want you to buy or sell and how much pumpers get for posting. Keep usually explains his opinions and usually can back up his theroies. Just stay on the ride and one day it will end and we will know who was right. Till then, NOBODY KNOWS. Just expressing my opinion.

[tandy]

You have to look in the guru's. I found a list of the so called guru's. Cant remember where but it was while I was checking for dong news. Some of the guru's are ok and some offer the same bs depending on whether they want you to buy or sell and how much pumpers get for posting. Keep usually explains his opinions and usually can back up his theroies. Just stay on the ride and one day it will end and we will know who was right. Till then, NOBODY KNOWS. Just expressing my opinion.

I wasn't referring to Keep...I don't always agree with him but I don't always agree with me but I like ole Keep...he's ok in my book besides he has a Beemie degree

[skrappyone]

I wasn't referring to Keep...I don't always agree with him but I don't always agree with me but I like ole Keep...he's ok in my book besides he has a Beemie degree

Yes I know, I was trying to help with info for you. I agree with you. There are a lot of good, knowledgable people on here that offer facts to back them up. Those are the ones I follow in their articles and come to my own opinion.

[Nani?]

dude... Keep chill out man people are in a neggy mood lately... I almost NEVER agree with you but I would hate to lose a voice of differing opinion it helps us stay grounded? I guess... meh Adam does a good job it's your own fault if you get negged out.

[MrDinarman]

GO LOP!!!!!!!!! :)

[jackster]

dude... Keep chill out man people are in a neggy mood lately... I almost NEVER agree with you but I would hate to lose a voice of differing opinion it helps us stay grounded? I guess... meh Adam does a good job it's your own fault if you get negged out.

He gets negged by making the statements that you say helps you and others stay grounded.

Keepm is the little child in the crowd that exclaims "The king wears no clothes". The crowd thinks to themselves, "that child could be correct. Let's ponder his statement in order to stay grounded." But, the little child is not suppose to say something that could embarrass the king.

So the crowd turns on the little child screaming and yelling at him that he is rude, impolite, impertinent and a disgrace to their community. They call him names. They ask the child why he would live amongst them if he thought the king was indeed naked. Then proceed to throw ripe red tomatoes (you know, something red people can click on a post) at him. Then turn to each other, patting each other on the back, while handing each other a green tomato.

I recall this story from my childhood. Not sure if I recollected it correctly.

GO LOP!!!!!!!!! :)

Hey! Tone it down a bit. Do you want to get negged?

[Sk 1962]

That is why they call it SPECULATION people! Nobody and I mean nobody on here really nows what is going on with this investment, we can all read and put together how we as individuals interpret the info that we see on a daily basis and form our personal opinion. To me that is what makes this such a great site Think about it would the CBI really tell the world what they really are going to do with their money? NOT!!! that would be financial suicide. I personally think we will see a nice return on this investment, how much I for sure don't know and none of you do either I do like the window of from now until September like Adam sugests, but who knows!

Anyway just for what it is worth there you have my on the matter.

GOOOOOO RRRRVVVVV