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<br />Democrats are fond of a few positions concerning religion. They like to claim that there is no way for politics and religion to mix unless it mixes in a church full of Democrat supporters. Another favorite line is that anyone who points to Democratic attacks on religion is either unqualified to do so or a wild-eyed Evangelical bible-thumper.<br /><br />As a life-long Christian, I am qualified to point to the Democrats and challenge their Christianity. Democrats: get over yourself about this.<br /><br />Democrats use their surrogates in the ACLU to attack religion (except Islam, which they are too frightened of to go after) in general and Christianity in particular.<br /><br />It was Democrats who passed Obamacare, and it is Democrats who are using it to bludgeon Christians into changing our principles to suit Democrat principles. No other political Party has ever assaulted religious freedom as Democrats are doing today.<br /><br />Democrats include those who worship “Mother Earth” and prefer “GOV” over GOD every time. Christians do not.<br /><br />Find a true believer in the Democrat Party, and you’ll find a person not concerned about “Honoring Thy Father and Thy Mother.” Democrats are intent on tearing down everything preceding generations have done and stand for. That’s because they constantly appeal to ignorant children who think history started the day they turned ten. What is Christian about organized disrespect for tradition and the ways of life that have made America great?<br /><br />Democrats’ love of death – killing innocent babies- is an essential secular sacrament for these people. Belief in abortion from the morning after pill to Barack Obama’s idea to let miracle abortion survivors die on stainless steal tables is required to be a good Democrat. The thought of such thing revolts Christians.<br /><br />Lying about EVERYTHING they wish to do to our country is part of being a good Democrat. Democrats cannot tell the truth about their socialist plans for us because they know they would never be elected if they did. Being a liar is a requirement for being a good Democrat, but it makes you a bad Christian.<br /><br />Coveting the goods of others is a lynch pin of the Democrats’ appeal to their base. Saying things like “He only has that because he cheated” or “He won life’s lottery; vote for us and we’ll get you your fair share” keeps those addicted to their psychologically crippling social programs under Democrat control the same way a drug dealer controls his junkies. There is nothing Christian about any of what Democrats have to offer.<br /><br />The Democrat idea of progress is adding more and more people to Welfare and Food Stamp rolls. The Christian position is to get people on their feet and away from government handouts.<br /><br />What’s Christian about being a good Democrat? Not much.<br /><br /><a href='https://usjf.net/2012/06/can-one-be-a-true-democrat-and-a-true-christian/?utm_source=USJF+List&utm_campaign=866349da45-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>My link</a><br />
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"Democrats are fond of a few positions concerning religion."

In general this is true, democrats don't like to make political decisions based off mythology.

"Another favorite line is that anyone who points to Democratic attacks on religion is either unqualified to do so or a wild-eyed Evangelical bible-thumper."

This is true because superstition should have zero place in the reality of politics and decisions that effect everyone. Most democrats, including "religious" democrats thankfully understand this simple concept, and rightfully look at those making policy off of the bible as nut cases.

"As a life-long Christian, I am qualified to point to the Democrats and challenge their Christianity. Democrats: get over yourself about this."

Lol! "Get over ourselves"? Why should we "Get over ourselves"? Because we don't want government run by christian zealots? ok

"Democrats use their surrogates in the ACLU to attack religion (except Islam, which they are too frightened of to go after) in general and Christianity in particular."

Evidence such as??

"It was Democrats who passed Obamacare, and it is Democrats who are using it to bludgeon Christians into changing our principles to suit Democrat principles. No other political Party has ever assaulted religious freedom as Democrats are doing today."

If you're referring to the birth control issue, it's not "assaulting religious freedoms in the least. The church has nothing to do with contraception, it's the insurance companies. So do you have any other evidence??

"Democrats include those who worship “Mother Earth” and prefer “GOV” over GOD every time. Christians do not".

At least mother earth is real and actually provides something for us humans. Cant say the same for "god", so at least they have their priorities in order.

"Find a true believer in the Democrat Party, and you’ll find a person not concerned about “Honoring Thy Father and Thy Mother.”

Find a True believer of christianity and you will find someone who condones murder, rape and slavery as condoned by "god's word" in the bible.

"That’s because they constantly appeal to ignorant children who think history started the day they turned ten. What is Christian about organized disrespect for tradition and the ways of life that have made America great?"

Hmmm like Bush the evangelical thumper leading our country into the worst economic collapse or into completely pointless wars guided by advice from "jesus"Lol! Or perhaps coolage/hoover during the actual greet depression. Hmm seems Americas worst economic collapses have been at the hands of republicans. Just saying.

"Democrats’ love of death – killing innocent babies- is an essential secular sacrament for these people. Belief in abortion from the morning after pill to Barack Obama’s idea to let miracle abortion survivors die on stainless steal tables is required to be a good Democrat. The thought of such thing revolts Christians".

Your god kills innocent babies everyday. I guess he gets a pass though??

"Lying about EVERYTHING they wish to do to our country is part of being a good Democrat. Democrats cannot tell the truth about their socialist plans for us because they know they would never be elected if they did.

Lol! Right, and republican christians don't lie?? UMMM OK, It's politics bruh, everyone lies.

"Being a liar is a requirement for being a good Democrat, but it makes you a bad Christian."

No, being a liar is a requirement for being a politician. And considering religion was founded and maintained by lies, it's also a requirement for christians.

"The Democrat idea of progress is adding more and more people to Welfare and Food Stamp rolls. The Christian pos

ition is to get people on their feet and away from government handouts".

Umm no, it's more like decorates want to help those in need, republicans want to help their buddies in the 1%, lol which ironically is most likely not you or any of the other non 1% republicans illogically fighting against their own interests.

"What’s Christian about being a good Democrat? Not much".

Thank god for that.

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NEODinar....Democrats are fond of making their decisions with

regard to the Muslim myth...Those people will kill them...And the

Demo's will make concessions to them, at every turn... they are

afraid of them, but they also cherish chaos, so its a good fit for

the Demo's to attack Christianity & allow the Muslim mythology

to go unchallenged

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&lt;br /&gt;NEODinar....Democrats are fond of making their decisions with&lt;br /&gt;regard to the Muslim myth...Those people will kill them...And the&lt;br /&gt;Demo's will make concessions to them, at every turn... they are &lt;br /&gt;afraid of them, but they also cherish chaos, so its a good fit for &lt;br /&gt;the Demo's to attack Christianity &amp;amp; allow the Muslim mythology&lt;br /&gt;to go unchallenged&lt;br /&gt;
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Interesting, what decisions are you referring to? Wait so now, because there all muslim extremists all muslims want to kill Americans?? Hmm, that's an interesting pov

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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;<br /><br />LOL! &quot;Satan's party&quot;.  

Priceless. This is why dem's don't mix religion and politics. Wouldn't want to bring back the salem which hunts.

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DinarMillionaire - You are a brave soul for posting this very provocative thread/question. I think it is "possible" to be a democrat and a Christian but the problem, as I see it, is that all too often, they choose to be a democrat first and a Christian a distant second. The ideology of the left isn't very compatible with the ideology of mainstream Christianity. Liberalism is celebrated in the media and religion is scorned at. It's like the question - is it possible to be a good Muslim and a good American? Maybe, but they're just not very compatible. JMO. Thanks for bringing this up for discussion - I look forward to the responses. And God bless you - I'm sure this is going to infuriate a lot of people! ;)

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NEODinar

Decisions on who a Demo will openly attack. They have no

problem denigrating Christianity, Catholicism, the Mormons, etc.

The Muslim mythology is out of bounds, They know that a radical

Muslim, or the whole Muslim world will exact a Jihad on anyone that

would say the things about them that Demo's will say out of hand

about Christianity.

The Muslim faith & culture is one that has no problem lying to the

infidel.....Thats a tenant that is prescribed. They really do fit nicely

with the Demo's own tenants of lying to gain power

Also, the Demo's are all for allowing Sharia Law to be debated and

consulted in lieu of our own Christian based law....in some cases

to be installed instead of our current courts, the only thing blocking

that, so far, are people of true faith

And yes, I include every Muslim, notice I havent said Arab.....Muslims

are a different story.....If they follow the Koran, they fall into the

category of not being trusted, by their own admission of what they

believe.

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<br />NEODinar<br />Decisions on who a Demo will openly attack. They have no<br />problem denigrating Christianity, Catholicism, the Mormons, etc.<br />The Muslim mythology is out of bounds, They know that a radical<br />Muslim, or the whole Muslim world will exact a Jihad on anyone that<br />would say the things about them that Demo's will say out of hand <br />about Christianity.<br />The Muslim faith & culture is one that has no problem lying to the<br />infidel.....Thats a tenant that is prescribed. They really do fit nicely<br />with the Demo's own tenants of lying to gain power <br />Also, the Demo's are all for allowing Sharia Law to be debated and <br />consulted in lieu of our own Christian based law....in some cases<br />to be installed instead of our current courts, the only thing blocking <br />that, so far, are people of true faith<br />And yes, I include every Muslim, notice I havent said Arab.....Muslims<br />are a different story.....If they follow the Koran, they fall into the <br />category of not being trusted, by their own admission of what they<br />believe.<br />
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Hmmmm, well do you have any actual evidence to support all these claims? This is the second time now I asked for any real evidence not just more rhetoric generalizing all muslims as terroristic jihadist, generalizing all democrats as terrorist enablers. Hitler was christian and responsible for much more terror than any current muslim terrorist. Is it fair to label all christians as tyrannical sociopathic terrorists?? I certainly don't think so, so why are you singling out muslims?

"If they follow the Koran, they fall into the category of not being trusted".

You can say the same thing for those who follow the bible. What's the difference??

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http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian

You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools. You really want confusion? Randy Alley, one of my best WWII history sources, noted that the SS were supposedly forbidden to believe in God

Hitler was a vegetarian too :D

Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah

by Warner MacKenzie

30 April, 2007

Lying and cheating in the Arab world is not really a moral matter but a method of safeguarding honor and status, avoiding shame, and at all times exploiting possibilities, for those with the wits for it, deftly and expeditiously to convert shame into honor on their own account and vice versa for their opponents. If honor so demands, lies and cheating may become absolute imperatives.” [David Pryce-Jones, “The Closed Circle” An interpretation of the Arabs, p4]

“No dishonor attaches to such primary transactions as selling short weight, deceiving anyone about quality, quantity or kind of goods, cheating at gambling, and bearing false witness. The doer of these things is merely quicker off the mark than the next fellow; owing him nothing, he is not to be blamed for taking what he can.”

http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm

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Democrats are fond of a few positions concerning religion. They like to claim that there is no way for politics and religion to mix unless it mixes in a church full of Democrat supporters. Another favorite line is that anyone who points to Democratic attacks on religion is either unqualified to do so or a wild-eyed Evangelical bible-thumper.

As a life-long Christian, I am qualified to point to the Democrats and challenge their Christianity. Democrats: get over yourself about this.

Democrats use their surrogates in the ACLU to attack religion (except Islam, which they are too frightened of to go after) in general and Christianity in particular.

It was Democrats who passed Obamacare, and it is Democrats who are using it to bludgeon Christians into changing our principles to suit Democrat principles. No other political Party has ever assaulted religious freedom as Democrats are doing today.

Democrats include those who worship “Mother Earth” and prefer “GOV” over GOD every time. Christians do not.

Find a true believer in the Democrat Party, and you’ll find a person not concerned about “Honoring Thy Father and Thy Mother.” Democrats are intent on tearing down everything preceding generations have done and stand for. That’s because they constantly appeal to ignorant children who think history started the day they turned ten. What is Christian about organized disrespect for tradition and the ways of life that have made America great?

Democrats’ love of death – killing innocent babies- is an essential secular sacrament for these people. Belief in abortion from the morning after pill to Barack Obama’s idea to let miracle abortion survivors die on stainless steal tables is required to be a good Democrat. The thought of such thing revolts Christians.

Lying about EVERYTHING they wish to do to our country is part of being a good Democrat. Democrats cannot tell the truth about their socialist plans for us because they know they would never be elected if they did. Being a liar is a requirement for being a good Democrat, but it makes you a bad Christian.

Coveting the goods of others is a lynch pin of the Democrats’ appeal to their base. Saying things like “He only has that because he cheated” or “He won life’s lottery; vote for us and we’ll get you your fair share” keeps those addicted to their psychologically crippling social programs under Democrat control the same way a drug dealer controls his junkies. There is nothing Christian about any of what Democrats have to offer.

The Democrat idea of progress is adding more and more people to Welfare and Food Stamp rolls. The Christian position is to get people on their feet and away from government handouts.

What’s Christian about being a good Democrat? Not much.

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LET'S See....

I'm confused about the question...

Show me a TRUE Christian and I will take a picture and send it to the Guiness Book of World Records.

I haven't met one yet.

Christ taught love, compassion, tolerance, sharing, and caring without focus on wealth. Show me a Repug who actually follows Christ and I'll get another picture ready....LOL :D

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<br /><a href='http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.straightd...ler-a-christian</a><br /><br />You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools. You really want confusion? Randy Alley, one of my best WWII history sources, noted that the SS were supposedly forbidden to believe in God<br /><br />Hitler was a vegetarian too  <img src='http://dinarvets.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /><br /><br /><b>Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah</b><br /><br />by Warner MacKenzie<br /><br />30 April, 2007<br /><br />Lying and cheating in the Arab world is not really a moral matter but a method of safeguarding honor and status, avoiding shame, and at all times exploiting possibilities, for those with the wits for it, deftly and expeditiously to convert shame into honor on their own account and vice versa for their opponents. If honor so demands, lies and cheating may become absolute imperatives.” [David Pryce-Jones, “The Closed Circle” An interpretation of the Arabs, p4]<br /><br />“No dishonor attaches to such primary transactions as selling short weight, deceiving anyone about quality, quantity or kind of goods, cheating at gambling, and bearing false witness. The doer of these things is merely quicker off the mark than the next fellow; owing him nothing, he is not to be blamed for taking what he can.” <br /><br /><a href='http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.islam-wat...g-for-Allah.htm</a><br />
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Ok, so how is any of this evidence that democrats support radical islam and put down christianity? Still waiting on that one my friend.

Just replace the nazi's with the spanish inquisition, salem witch executioners, protestant neo nazis, southern slave owners, or any other radical christian group that used christianity as an excuse for their atrocities. My point was it isn't logical to generalize all christians because of the radical ones such as you are doing with muslims.

I agree with you that the koran is crazy, but it's no crazier than the bible by any stretch. Your saying the Koran says it's ok to lie for honor, ok, the bible says it's ok to rape, murder, and own slaves. So I still don't get why you are singling out muslims??

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Democrats are fond of a few positions concerning religion. They like to claim that there is no way for politics and religion to mix unless it mixes in a church full of Democrat supporters. Another favorite line is that anyone who points to Democratic attacks on religion is either unqualified to do so or a wild-eyed Evangelical bible-thumper.

As a life-long Christian, I am qualified to point to the Democrats and challenge their Christianity. Democrats: get over yourself about this.

Democrats use their surrogates in the ACLU to attack religion (except Islam, which they are too frightened of to go after) in general and Christianity in particular.

It was Democrats who passed Obamacare, and it is Democrats who are using it to bludgeon Christians into changing our principles to suit Democrat principles. No other political Party has ever assaulted religious freedom as Democrats are doing today.

Democrats include those who worship “Mother Earth” and prefer “GOV” over GOD every time. Christians do not.

Find a true believer in the Democrat Party, and you’ll find a person not concerned about “Honoring Thy Father and Thy Mother.” Democrats are intent on tearing down everything preceding generations have done and stand for. That’s because they constantly appeal to ignorant children who think history started the day they turned ten. What is Christian about organized disrespect for tradition and the ways of life that have made America great?

Democrats’ love of death – killing innocent babies- is an essential secular sacrament for these people. Belief in abortion from the morning after pill to Barack Obama’s idea to let miracle abortion survivors die on stainless steal tables is required to be a good Democrat. The thought of such thing revolts Christians.

Lying about EVERYTHING they wish to do to our country is part of being a good Democrat. Democrats cannot tell the truth about their socialist plans for us because they know they would never be elected if they did. Being a liar is a requirement for being a good Democrat, but it makes you a bad Christian.

Coveting the goods of others is a lynch pin of the Democrats’ appeal to their base. Saying things like “He only has that because he cheated” or “He won life’s lottery; vote for us and we’ll get you your fair share” keeps those addicted to their psychologically crippling social programs under Democrat control the same way a drug dealer controls his junkies. There is nothing Christian about any of what Democrats have to offer.

The Democrat idea of progress is adding more and more people to Welfare and Food Stamp rolls. The Christian position is to get people on their feet and away from government handouts.

What’s Christian about being a good Democrat? Not much.

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It's great we have people like you Dinar Mllionaire...LOL

Every time there is an oil war and the Exxon- owned Senator says "God says we gotta fight the Muslims!" PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL BE THERE to shed your blood.

Somebody has to do it. Somebody like you!

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It's great we have people like you Dinar Mllionaire...LOL

Every time there is an oil war and the Exxon- owned Senator says "God says we gotta fight the Muslims!" PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL BE THERE to shed your blood.

Somebody has to do it. Somebody like you!

Maybe you missed this article? ;)

The Left’s ‘Blood For Oil’ Fraud

Posted By Rick Moran On June 8, 2012 @ 12:40 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage | 2 Comments

The New York Times reports that crude oil output in Iraq is “soaring” and that Baghdad has expressed the goal of having the capability to produce 10 million barrels a day by 2017.

But of all the American oil companies, only Exxon has any significant contracts to exploit petroleum resources. The fact that the fields bid on by Exxon lie in the Kurdish section of Iraq and were not approved by the central government angered Baghdad who has forbidden the company to bid on other, more lucrative contracts.

This raises the question: What happened to all that oil that anti-war leftists insisted was the reason we went to war in Iraq in the first place? What about “No Blood for Oil”?

The slogan “No Blood for Oil” has been an anti-war shibboleth since the 1991 Gulf War. Like most liberal jargon, it is meaningless in any other context except as shorthand for American imperialism and capitalist exploitation.

In actuality, there are few things that are worth shedding blood over more than oil — specifically, cheap oil. But when anti-war protestors chant that slogan, they are unconcerned about the reality that oil is vital to life and prosperity in the United States. Instead, the catchphrase is used to evoke anger, implying that oil is important only to oil companies who profit from selling it, and to US politicians who do the bidding of the petroleum giants in going to war to benefit the companies.

At the height of anti-war hysteria in 2003-04, there was a weird paranoia from the left about why we invaded Iraq. There were “Cheney’s oil maps” that purported to show how we would divvy up Iraq oil among American oil companies (maps for Saudi Arabia and the UAE were also part of Cheney’s grand scheme). The maps, released as a result of an FOIA request from Judicial Watch, contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as two charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.”

One would hope the American government had such maps — not to pinpoint the location of oil fields to take over as the left imagined, but as a necessary store of information that any government interested in Iraqi oil production would have. Scott Thompson, writing in crackpot Lyndon LaRouche’s Executive Intelligence Review, saw it differently:

Vice President **** Cheney has been plotting the conquest of Iraq since he was Secretary of Defense in President George H.W. Bush’s Administration—a plan then considered insane aggression. Moreover, on July 17, 2003, Judicial Watch announced that Cheney’s Energy Task Force had developed a map of Iraq dated March 2001, as well as maps of the neighboring United Arab Emirates (U.A.E.) and Saudi Arabia, which show that Cheney knew precisely how much the conquest of Iraq would be worth.

Lest anyone think this was an isolated interpretation of “Cheney’s maps,” a simple Google search reveals nearly 5 million results for “Cheney oil maps.”

Then there was the even weirder conspiracy theory advanced in Michael Moore’s fantasy/documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 that we went to war in Afghanistan not to oust the Taliban and kill Osama bin Laden, but to secure access for oil companies to the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline. The fact that the Taliban was enabling mass murderer bin Laden by allowing him to live and train his terrorists in their country after the horror of 9/11 apparently wasn’t enough of a reason to go to war for Moore and his paranoid followers. They saw the evil, grasping hands of oil companies wanting to profit from the natural gas pipeline that would transit through southern Afghanistan. President Bush, being a former oil company executive (he also owned the Texas Rangers baseball team at one time but strangely, Moore didn’t accuse the president of wanting to establish a pro franchise in Kabul), wanted to do his former colleagues in the industry a favor and throw out the Taliban who we broke off negotiations with after the African embassy bombings.

To date, the pipeline has barely started and there have been no contracts let on the Afghan portion of the project. Michael Moore continues to push this conspiracy theory despite the fact that for all intents and purposes, the pipeline is a mirage.

But if we went to war for oil, what happened along the way that caused all that crude to slip through the fingers of the evil oil companies?

Something called “Iraqi sovereignty” intervened to thwart American imperialism. But this explanation isn’t any good because the left has been saying since the first post-invasion Iraqi government was voted into office that Baghdad is a “puppet” of the US. One would think puppets would do the bidding of their puppet masters.

Indeed, the most recent government auction of oil leases didn’t feature a single American company, says the New York Times. Is it because there aren’t enough American troops to scare the Iraqis into doing our bidding?

Richard Fernandez of Belmont Club answers that question:

The US firms tried going north to Kurdistan where they were welcome. But that made them anathema in the south. American oil companies are now being punished by Baghdad for daring to develop oil resources in the Kurdish regions.

Puppets “punishing” their puppet masters? Something is terribly wrong with the left’s interpretation of history. When they decide what it is, I’m sure they’ll let us know.

Iraq has proved that it is a sovereign nation capable of making its own policies and decisions. Of course, this singular fact doesn’t jibe with the liberal narrative that Iraq is a tool of American policy and grabbing Iraqi oil wealth was the primary reason we invaded.

American oil companies will no doubt share in Iraq’s oil wealth eventually. Our majors are among the most technologically advanced oil companies in the world and have proven themselves in every kind of terrain, on land and sea. But Iraq has internationalized the leasing process as the New York Times reports:

Exxon Mobil has by far the largest stake of any American company in Iraq, but most of the major players are European and Asian, like Lukoil and Gazprom from Russia, and Chinese companies like China National Petroleum and China National Offshore Oil Corporation.

None of those nations sent troops to Iraq, and were, in fact, major critics of America’s invasion and occupation. It throws the entire “No Blood for Oil” meme into a cocked hat when you realize that the winners in the Iraqi oil derby – after the Iraqi government and people — are from countries much admired by the left, and who had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq’s liberation or its continuing transition to a democratic state.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/06/08/the-lefts-blood-for-oil-fraud/

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Ok, so how is any of this evidence that democrats support radical islam and put down christianity? Still waiting on that one my friend.

Just replace the nazi's with the spanish inquisition, salem witch executioners, protestant neo nazis, southern slave owners, or any other radical christian group that used christianity as an excuse for their atrocities. My point was it isn't logical to generalize all christians because of the radical ones such as you are doing with muslims.

I agree with you that the koran is crazy, but it's no crazier than the bible by any stretch. Your saying the Koran says it's ok to lie for honor, ok, the bible says it's ok to rape, murder, and own slaves. So I still don't get why you are singling out muslims??

Since its clear the Koran teaches deception, and that is their culture,

I obviously cant trust a Muslim QED

Quoting from the old testement....you will find rape, murder, & slaves

so lets eliminate that, seeing as how we are concerned in this question

about the New Testament.

Muslims currently own slaves, I can bring proof, but I'll let you google

that one yourself.

Now, the reason Liberals hate Christians....(I've already shown that they

support Muslims, and the reason).......Because Christianity & Liberalism

are diametrically opposed on many fronts, but in general, Christianity

teaches self accountability which is a philosophy the Liberals abhor

I'll let you google that one, its easy to find :D

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<br />Since its clear the Koran teaches deception, and that is their culture,<br />I obviously cant trust a Muslim QED<br />Quoting from the old testement....you will find rape, murder, & slaves<br />so lets eliminate that, seeing as how we are concerned in this question<br />about the New Testament.<br />Muslims currently own slaves, I can bring proof, but I'll let you google<br />that one yourself.<br />Now, the reason Liberals hate Christians....(I've already shown that they<br />support Muslims, and the reason).......<b>Because Christianity & Liberalism <br />are diametrically opposed on many fronts, but in general, Christianity <br />teaches self accountability which is a philosophy the Liberals abhor</b><br /><br />I'll let you google that one, its easy to find  <img src='http://dinarvets.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /><br />
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Wait so the old test is not the word of god?? The seven deadly sins aren't valid then??? Wow, A lot of christians would disagree with you. Regardless though, all these "evil" things are still present in the new testament. If you need specifics i can provide but I'll let you google them yourself. You're complaining about the koran condoning telling lies when your book condones rape, slavery, and the murder of children. The irony is priceless. Both books are just as crazy as the other my friend if you can look at them both objectively and without bias.

"Muslims currently own slaves, I can bring proof, but I'll let you google

that one yourself."

Really? Would love to see that evidence….

"Now, the reason Liberals hate Christians....(I've already shown that they

support Muslims, and the reason).......Because Christianity & Liberalism

are diametrically opposed on many fronts, but in general, Christianity teaches self accountability which is a philosophy the Liberals abhor"

AND YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THIS IS????????????????????

Simply stating liberals hate christians and support muslims because they clash on their views of accountability is nonsense. Give me some examples, ya know some ACTUAL EVIDENCE. I can see this seems to be a difficult thing for you to produce.

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Decisions on who a Demo will openly attack. They have no

problem denigrating Christianity, Catholicism, the Mormons, etc.

The Muslim mythology is out of bounds, They know that a radical

Muslim, or the whole Muslim world will exact a Jihad on anyone that

would say the things about them that Demo's will say out of hand

about Christianity.

The Muslim faith & culture is one that has no problem lying to the

infidel.....Thats a tenant that is prescribed. They really do fit nicely

with the Demo's own tenants of lying to gain power

Also, the Demo's are all for allowing Sharia Law to be debated and

consulted in lieu of our own Christian based law....in some cases

to be installed instead of our current courts, the only thing blocking

that, so far, are people of true faith

And yes, I include every Muslim, notice I havent said Arab.....Muslims

are a different story.....If they follow the Koran, they fall into the

category of not being trusted, by their own admission of what they

believe.

Sometimes you bring brilliance. On other occassions, like this one, I could swear that I was reading a variation of Mein Kampf.

Anyone who classifies "the other" in absolutist, definitive ways is automatically guilty of being mentally lazy, at the very least.

Where are your facts to support such allegations? Without them, you're speaking solely from emotion and prejudice.

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Sometimes you bring brilliance. On other occassions, like this one, I could swear that I was reading a variation of Mein Kampf.

Anyone who classifies "the other" in absolutist, definitive ways is automatically guilty of being mentally lazy, at the very least.

Where are your facts to support such allegations? Without them, you're speaking solely from emotion and prejudice.

Thanks for the compliment in the one instance. ;)

I actually dont trust anyone before their actions prove

that they can be trusted....If that can be called prejudice

then I guess we have two different definitions of the word.

I've shown that a Muslims tenants advocate lying to the

infidel.......Thats not emotional or prejudiced.....those are

the real world facts.

Perhaps we could ask a Muslim....would they lie though?

If you've ever had business dealings with the Muslim culture,

its well known how things progress....and its taken for granted

that both sides are lying, from the Muslim perspective.

That doesnt mean a person cant negotiate, We must

understand their culture before entering into an agreement

though

If that strikes someone as Mien Kampfish...Well, I guess that cant

be helped.....Actions absolutely speak louder than words.

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<br />Sometimes you bring brilliance. On other occassions, like this one, I could swear that I was reading a variation of Mein Kampf.<br /><br />Anyone who classifies "the other" in absolutist, definitive ways is automatically guilty of being mentally lazy, at the very least. <br /><br />Where are your facts to support such allegations? Without them, you're speaking solely from emotion and prejudice.<br />
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Nice to actually see someone else here that can point out blatant bigotry.

<br />Thanks for the compliment in the one instance.  <img src='http://dinarvets.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />  <br /><br />I actually dont trust anyone before their actions prove<br />that they can be trusted....If that can be called prejudice<br />then I guess we have two different definitions of the word.<br /><br />I've shown that a Muslims tenants advocate lying to the<br />infidel.......Thats not emotional or prejudiced.....those are<br />the real world facts.<br /><br />Perhaps we could ask a Muslim....would they lie though?<br />If you've ever had business dealings with the Muslim culture,<br />its well known how things progress....and its taken for granted<br />that both sides are lying, from the Muslim perspective.<br />That doesnt mean a person cant negotiate, We must <br />understand their culture before entering into an agreement<br />though<br /><br />If that strikes someone as Mien Kampfish...Well, I guess that cant <br />be helped.....Actions absolutely speak louder than words.<br />
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LOL! You say these things as if christians don't lie. You do realize that christians lie too right?

Oh yeah and still waiting on that evidence to support all your prejudice induced rants and claims. Sill waiting...............................

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Nice to actually see someone else here that can point out blatant bigotry.

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LOL! You say these things as if christians don't lie. You do realize that christians lie too right?

Oh yeah and still waiting on that evidence to support all your prejudice induced rants and claims. Sill waiting...............................

Oh well......prejudice has been a losing argument for a while NEO.

Claiming a person is bigoted in a debate doesnt work either these

days.

heres some key words for you to google

1. Why do Muslims own slaves?

2. Why do Democrats lie so much?

3. Why do Democrats support Islam?

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Thanks for the compliment in the one instance. ;)

I actually dont trust anyone before their actions prove

that they can be trusted....If that can be called prejudice

then I guess we have two different definitions of the word.

I've shown that a Muslims tenants advocate lying to the

infidel.......Thats not emotional or prejudiced.....those are

the real world facts.

Perhaps we could ask a Muslim....would they lie though?

If you've ever had business dealings with the Muslim culture,

its well known how things progress....and its taken for granted

that both sides are lying, from the Muslim perspective.

That doesnt mean a person cant negotiate, We must

understand their culture before entering into an agreement

though

If that strikes someone as Mien Kampfish...Well, I guess that cant

be helped.....Actions absolutely speak louder than words.

I'll be brief, because this is not an emotional issue for me.

The majority of people, including Muslims, do not know Islam's contributions to western civilization. They are extensive. They can be summarized by saying that, while Christian Europe was in the throes of the Dark Ages, a person in Cordoba, Spain, could walk for miles in safety under street lamps. The concept of "university" began under Islam, because its cities became centers of learning. Muslim scholars went all over the known world to gather books and knowledge. Medicine, mathematics, governance, etc., essentially all areas of European thought were influenced. Today, western scholars attribute Europe's emergence from the Dark Ages to interaction with Islamic thought and culture, beginning with the Crusades.

So I, personally, make a distinction between "individuals" and their "system of belief". People within them can be corrupt but their system (or culture) can still be vibrant and making major contributions to the human race. Or vice versus; a system (or culture) itself can be in decay and decline, yet sincere people still remain attached to it, as if they have no other option. That's why attributing an emotion or point of view to "ALL" republicans, democrats, Christians, Italians, blacks, whites, etc., ad nauseum makes no logical sense. At least to me.

So, as NEODinar has stated, you will find liars in every group, including Christians, for example. Go back through history and you will see that even Christians' most trusted institutions have lied...many times...to those who believed in them.

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<br />Oh well......prejudice has been a losing argument for a while NEO.<br />Claiming a person is bigoted in a debate doesnt work either these <br />days.<br />heres some key words for you to google<br /><br />1. Why do Muslims own slaves?<br /><br />2. Why do Democrats lie so much?<br /><br />3. Why do Democrats support Islam?<br />
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Lol! it's not a claim. You clearly are a bigot. Your illogical anti muslim posts make that more than apparent. Bigotry usually falls in line with ignorance and or lower intelligence, also not surprising considering I've asked you multiple times now to provide evidence for your bigoted claims to no avail. Either your comprehension is terrible, you simply can not read, or you have zero support to back up your ridiculous claims, I'll go with the ladder.

1. Evidence such as??

2. Evidence such as???

3. Evidence such as???

1. Why do christians rape children?

2. why do republicans support priests who rape children?

3. Why do republicans Kill innocent people??

See how anyone can make ridiculous claims without having to support them?? See how that works?? Let it soak in a bit......

<br />I'll be brief, because this is not an emotional issue for me.<br /><br />The majority of people, including Muslims, do not know Islam's contributions to western civilization. They are extensive. They can be summarized by saying that, while Christian Europe was in the throes of the Dark Ages, a person in Cordoba, Spain, could walk for miles in safety under street lamps. The concept of "university" began under Islam, because its cities became centers of learning. Muslim scholars went all over the known world to gather books and knowledge. Medicine, mathematics, governance, etc., essentially all areas of European thought were influenced. Today, western scholars attribute Europe's emergence from the Dark Ages to interaction with Islamic thought and culture, beginning with the Crusades.<br /><br />So I, personally, make a distinction between "individuals" and their "system of belief". People within them can be corrupt but their system (or culture) can still be vibrant and making major contributions to the human race. Or vice versus; a system (or culture) itself can be in decay and decline, yet sincere people still remain attached to it, as if they have no other option. That's why attributing an emotion or point of view to "ALL" republicans, democrats, Christians, Italians, blacks, whites, etc., ad nauseum makes no logical sense. At least to me.  <br /><br />So, as NEODinar has stated, you will find liars in every group, including Christians, for example. Go back through history and you will see that even Christians' most trusted institutions have lied...many times...to those who believed in them.<br />
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Great post, Iv'e come to the conclusion that this guy is simply a troll. Nothing he is saying makes sense and he refuses to provide any support for his claims. I think he's simply trying to troll the few logical people here unfortunately.

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