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Mmmmm right..."shutting you up" is clearly you not having a rebuttal...Romney supporters can't argue with Ron Paul supporters, and there's only one reason why...you guys can't beat the truth.

I'd love to have a healthy debate with you... let's talk about the Federal Reserve System and monetary policy...you go first...what do you think about it?

How about you take away those negatives first

A healthy debate should start with less acrimony.

Also, I think I'd prefer to talk about

Conservatives taking over Congress

We're in agreement on the Fed Reserve ;)

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Hey TP, Im hoping Ron will eventually be the true

Patriot, and backs Romney & the Republicans......Maybe

even be part of the cabinet

We can eliminate O'blah easily, if we all get on the same page :D

Why cant we all be on Ron Pauls page. Why cant the Romney people wake up and follow the true candidate.

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Why cant we all be on Ron Pauls page. Why cant the Romney people wake up and follow the true candidate.

Because, unfortunately, Ron doesn't stand

a chance in Hades of winning the nomination

The numbers are out there.....Its not possible

at this point

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It's tough to convince a bunch of criminals to do the right thing... wake up.

If any of you RP supporters say wake up one more time to those of us who don't agree with everything you say I'm going to scream!!!!! angry.gifangry.gif

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this will go on and on how Ron Paul way of doing things will solve america's problems it won't. IF things don't go the way the Paulers wanted to then you result to name calling, insult and anything else you can do including swiping delegates. One day after the dust has settle you paulers will WAKE UP and see you have been had. Thanks

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If any of you RP supporters say wake up one more time to those of us who don't agree with everything you say I'm going to scream!!!!! angry.gifangry.gif

The condescension is actually laughable, if it wasnt so silly. :rolleyes:

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Fox news...of course they would spin it this way...he said he would stop campaigning in the primary states since it would cost tens of millions of dollars... he's never gone after the states with primaries, he's all about the caucuses... he's not dropping out of the race...his delegates will continue to win spots, and we will see his ideas have major ramifications at the RNC convention.

Sorry HJB, but your statement is a wet dream!!!!! He will go by the wayside just like every other time he's run for POTUS.

Mak63

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Sorry HJB, but your statement is a wet dream!!!!! He will go by the wayside just like every other time he's run for POTUS.

Mak63

We'll see...

The condescension is actually laughable, if it wasnt so silly. :rolleyes:

It's not a matter of condescension... it's a matter of education...whether that's a brutal way to put it or not, I need to be frank, people are starving, homeless, and dying because of ignorance of the masses...this isn't about you or some stupid republican or democratic party which is both owned by the Soros corporation who is nothing but a puppet for the Rothschild empire... this is about seeing the big picture, not some corny rigged election.

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We'll see...

It's not a matter of condescension... it's a matter of education...whether that's a brutal way to put it or not, I need to be frank, people are starving, homeless, and dying because of ignorance of the masses...this isn't about you or some stupid republican or democratic party which is both owned by the Soros corporation who is nothing but a puppet for the Rothschild empire... this is about seeing the big picture, not some corny rigged election.

What you don't seem to want to understand is that the cronies who rigged the election will come to power on the votes of the ignorant masses. Ron Paul has some good domestic ideas, is totally wrong on foreign policy and doesn't have the, dare I say, gravitas, to articulate his policies and educate the masses. Romney will win, will continue down the slippery slope we're now on, won't repeal OB Care and we're all gonna be screwed because the cronies rigged the election.

Then what? If you have a decent amount of dinar, you can go outside the US and perhaps live out your days where you can be taken care of in your old age and live a life remenicient of here some 50-70 years ago.

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What you don't seem to want to understand is that the cronies who rigged the election will come to power on the votes of the ignorant masses. Ron Paul has some good domestic ideas, is totally wrong on foreign policy and doesn't have the, dare I say, gravitas, to articulate his policies and educate the masses. Romney will win, will continue down the slippery slope we're now on, won't repeal OB Care and we're all gonna be screwed because the cronies rigged the election.

Then what? If you have a decent amount of dinar, you can go outside the US and perhaps live out your days where you can be taken care of in your old age and live a life remenicient of here some 50-70 years ago.

Mak63

Does that really sound hopeful? Why just accept that as fate? Why not try to fight against that awful outcome?

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Does that really sound hopeful? Why just accept that as fate? Why not try to fight against that awful outcome?

By no means is it hopeful, but until the ignorant masses, who are ignorant because of decades of the cronies making them that way and by their own choice, come together and over ride the cronies, its just status quo. Ron is just not the guy and I live about an hour from his district, so I know who/what he is. He IS a politician by the way. Scrutinize his voting record and you'll see he votes when its prudent to vote against how he articulates his opionions to be.

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By no means is it hopeful, but until the ignorant masses, who are ignorant because of decades of the cronies making them that way and by their own choice, come together and over ride the cronies, its just status quo. Ron is just not the guy and I live about an hour from his district, so I know who/what he is. He IS a politician by the way. Scrutinize his voting record and you'll see he votes when its prudent to vote against how he articulates his opionions to be.

Mak63

Who is the guy? Mitt Romney-Bush family representative?

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Who is the guy? Mitt Romney-Bush family representative?

Don't understand your question. The "establishment" republican party elite, Bush's, Rove, McCain, Bohner et al. They split all the conservatives out and left the moderate Romney as the last man standing. He has the money and had the backing of the establishment. Do I like it, hell no, but unfreakin' fortunately that is what happened.

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Don't understand your question. The "establishment" republican party elite, Bush's, Rove, McCain, Bohner et al. They split all the conservatives out and left the moderate Romney as the last man standing. He has the money and had the backing of the establishment. Do I like it, hell no, but unfreakin' fortunately that is what happened.

Mak63

I don't like it, so I won't be a part of it. I'm writing in Paul, and so are millions of others... this isn't about the left vs right, this is about liberty and freedom of financial tyranny. Paul is an imperfect messenger, but there is no perfect messenger.

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Fox news...of course they would spin it this way...he said he would stop campaigning in the primary states since it would cost tens of millions of dollars... he's never gone after the states with primaries, he's all about the caucuses... he's not dropping out of the race...his delegates will continue to win spots, and we will see his ideas have major ramifications at the RNC convention.

...have you ever heard of rule 38? Ben has been telling you for months about the fight for delegates in the Republican race. That fight may have just become more interesting. Especially if the so called "bound" delegates in states across the country are not actually bound at all.

From http://www.fox19.com...rtl-04.facebook

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...the RNC rules’ provision on the unit rule make it clear that delegates aren’t bound to vote according to how most delegates from their state are voting. In fact, delegates can vote according to their own judgment and conscience, and that this is most likely to take place in a state where a state party’s winner-take-all rule has allowed a candidate to win all delegates primarily due to a split in the majority vote, or due to votes cast by non-Republican voters participating in the contest.

To explain our case, we look to the language of Rule 38, which was adopted in its current form in 1964. The rule states: “no delegate shall be bound by any attempt of any state or Congressional district to impose the unit rule.” The unit rule does not prohibit a state from using a winner-take-all primary in the same way that Rule 15(B) prohibits most states from using a winner-take-all primary when holding a contest earlier than April 1st. However, the unit rule does prohibit binding delegates to vote according to how a majority of delegates from their state vote – again, a scenario most likely to occur in a state using the winner-take-all rule.

As set out in the Rules of the Republican Party, delegates have the ability to vote according to the delegates’ preference, even if that is contrary to the outcome of each state’s primary. According to one source, the legal counsel for the Republican National Convention in 2008 stated: “[The] RNC does not recognize a state’s binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose.” Thus, if a delegate were to challenge his or her ability to vote as a free agent, he or she would have grounds under Rule 38.

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The contrast between the actual Republican Party rules governing its convention and most people’s understanding of the role of the primaries underscores the way that the party system has changed rapidly in today’s modern era. Many of the RNC rules come from a time when conventions chose nominees and the party was a meaningful institution, representing an association of individuals coming together, articulating platform positions, and choosing candidates to stand for those positions.

With that understanding, the rules governing a party are those of a private group, not a government entity. A private group should have the right to nominate candidates however it wants, which is a fact that some analysts like Barone seem to have difficulty grasping, Last March, for example, Barone went so far as to criticize current nomination grounds under the bizarre pretext that the U.S. Constitution doesn’t spell out what parties should do. He wrote, “The weakest part of our political system is the presidential-nomination process. And it’s not coincidental that it’s the part of the federal system that finds least guidance in the Constitution.”

From http://www.fairvote....01#.T7HKwJ9idaQ

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Some folks here seem to think that for the Ron Paul campaign to make their best effort to take advantage of the rules of the national Republican Party, in order to win, or at the very least to make their presence felt at the convention in a big way, is somehow wrong.

Food for thought:

...the Republican party is a PRIVATE organization, and does anyone really believe that the vote totals from those Diebold electronic voting machines are accurate ???

...both of the major parties have been busy as beavers thwarting the will of the people for about 100 years now.

...in more than a few states, the state GOP party leadership has been using outright fraud to deny the Paul campaign the delegates they actually have gotten the popular votes for.

...if the other side is going to use the "rules" to its advantage, why shouldn't Paul?

...the above quotes show clearly that the outcome is still absolutely up in the air, and will be for some time.

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I hope we all understand that the purpose of an election is to decide who is going to RULE us.

There is ONE man in the race whose motivation comes from a cause bigger than just grabbing Power for himself, but rather has made efforts for 30 years, to increase freedom for everyone.

I never forget that people who want to rule me, are people who want to steal the bread out of my children's mouth, in order to use it to increase their power.

Socialism is always sold to the masses as a program to take from the rich and spread it around to everyone else. If that were really so, people like the Rockefellers and Goldman Sachs would not be the biggest donors to demagogues like Barack Obama. Socialism always morphs into an outright rape and holocaust for the productive middle class which is the foundation of a stable society, whereupon a measly bone is thrown to the poor, and the rest of the loot goes to the super-rich.

Would-be petty tyrants who will prostitute themselves out to the international bankers to fasten the chains of slavery on their fellow man, will only give up their evil ways if they are confronted by a large percentage of their constituents speaking in unison, who tell them that we are taking your power away and if you rig the election so that we cannot take your power away, we will decorate a lamp post with your body.

Those of you that talk of campaign "fairness" - what would you think of this hypothetical situation... a homeowner is awakened by the sounds of a burglar in his home; he comes out of his bedroom with his gun to confront the intruder in the living room, only to find that the intruder is only armed with a knife... so he puts down his gun and pulls out a knife instead, because that would be "fair" to the intruder. How insane is that?

As far as I am concerned, every other candidate in both parties is a far greater threat to my life than that home invader. Those of you who don't like Ron Paul, can take solace in the fact that he will leave you the he11 alone. All I want is that if the other guy wins the election, that he will leave ME the he11 alone! (but I'm not going to hold my breath for that to happen).

H.L. Mencken said it well - "Every election is a kind of advance auction of stolen goods."

The Paul campaign should do anything they can to win - period - whether anyone else thinks it's fair, or not. The 2000 election made it clear that presidential elections are not decided by popular vote... wouldn't it be really cool to have that factor working in the people's favor for once, to elect someone who's not out to rob us all blind?

Studies show that Romney cannot beat Obama. This election may be our last chance not to have a "French Revolution" in this country, wiping out the wealth and progress of several generations. The most charitable thing that Paul could possibly do for all of us, even those who do not support him, is to win by any possible means. Period.

If he does not win, then the most important thing he will have done, is to impress upon the minds of a very large percentage of the young in this country, the intellectual foundation of principles that make a free society work, so that we can have a second American revolution instead of a French revolution, and emerge from the ashes with Freedom, instead of a Godless Chaos leading to a fascist dictatorship.

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I don't like it, so I won't be a part of it. I'm writing in Paul, and so are millions of others... this isn't about the left vs right, this is about liberty and freedom of financial tyranny. Paul is an imperfect messenger, but there is no perfect messenger.

MUST be very careful not voting against Obama. Writing in Paul is a vote for Obama because you're not voting directly against him. Voting for Romney is a direct vote against Obama. I don't like Romney, but he is going to be the direct candidate against Obama. A vote for anyone else is a vote for Obama because you're not voting for the strongest opponent to Obama in the presidential election. I know that sucks, but that IS the reality.

Mak63

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MUST be very careful not voting against Obama. Writing in Paul is a vote for Obama because you're not voting directly against him. Voting for Romney is a direct vote against Obama. I don't like Romney, but he is going to be the direct candidate against Obama. A vote for anyone else is a vote for Obama because you're not voting for the strongest opponent to Obama in the presidential election. I know that sucks, but that IS the reality.

Mak63

Let the chips fall where they may... Ron Paul is getting my vote no matter what happens, my conscious will be clean. I'll also be fighting for a delegate position.

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Let the chips fall where they may... Ron Paul is getting my vote no matter what happens, my conscious will be clean. I'll also be fighting for a delegate position.

I agree! Paul gets my vote, too. Vote for what you believe in! It shows character. Good luck with the delegate position. :twothumbs:

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I agree! Paul gets my vote, too. Vote for what you believe in! It shows character. Good luck with the delegate position. th_smiley_two_thumbs_up.gif

Rights and HJB, quite idealistic, and I understand, but why take the chance on re-electing this _________ (insert your own adjective)? "I voted my conscious...... but I'm much less free cuz "O" won" ......... come on guys, that is cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Again, I hate that its come down to this, but you have to make a direct vote AGAINST Obama in the POTUS election and at this point there's a 99.99999% chance it's Romney.

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Rights and HJB, quite idealistic, and I understand, but why take the chance on re-electing this _________ (insert your own adjective)? "I voted my conscious...... but I'm much less free cuz "O" won" ......... come on guys, that is cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Again, I hate that its come down to this, but you have to make a direct vote AGAINST Obama in the POTUS election and at this point there's a 99.99999% chance it's Romney.

Mak63

That's your opinion, and your entitled to it, but I strongly disagree in your notion that Romney is going to be an improvement...I don't see a future with Mitt Romney, all I see is destruction, he will endorse Israel's insane pre-emptive attack on Iran, and will cause WWIII, which is what they want. The whole world now sees the big picture, which is we are enslaved by a massive system of financial tyranny...so what happens in the mafia when someone knows too much... they get killed... which is what they will do with WWIII, they will commit genocide by way of nuclear weapons and retreat to their underground bases.

I'm an imperfect messenger, but the message is perfect. —Ron Paul

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That's your opinion, and your entitled to it, but I strongly disagree in your notion that Romney is going to be an improvement...I don't see a future with Mitt Romney, all I see is destruction, he will endorse Israel's insane pre-emptive attack on Iran, and will cause WWIII, which is what they want. The whole world now sees the big picture, which is we are enslaved by a massive system of financial tyranny...so what happens in the mafia when someone knows too much... they get killed... which is what they will do with WWIII, they will commit genocide by way of nuclear weapons and retreat to their underground bases.

I'm an imperfect messenger, but the message is perfect. —Ron Paul

Thank you for noting that, and you have your opinion and are entitled to it.

Please articulate why Isreal should sit back and allow themselves to be exterminated just because some of the rest of the world thinks Iran should be able to have a nuke because they are soverign. Iran has vowed to exterminate Isreal. Why shouldn't they be able to defend themselves and preempt a strike on themselves?

Mak63

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You are correct Romney is a master at compromise .

So is Obama.

And all the compromise has had us the loser and them the winner.

If Romney gets elected you will find us going down the same path at the same speed.

We do not need compromise we need a leader with their eyes on the Constitution.

Always compromising is what got us here in the first place.

Compromise with Washington DC and they come back next week to get what they didn't take before

Since the departure of JFK, this country has not had a single president that was not controlled by the international bankers.

Reagan seemed to want to work for the good of the people, until that assassination attempt, then he fell right in line with the rest of them, doing what he was told.

Right now all the patriots in the country are p155ed off and ready to fight the evil socialists, and if Obama gets in again they will be even more so, and maybe put enough heat on CONgress that those turkeys will have enough fear of God to slow down this country's descent to he11 in a handbasket just a little bit.

If Romney gets in, probably two-thirds of them will go back to sleep. God help us.

Nobody here is more disgusted with the socialist policies being promoted by the current administration than I am, but those of you singing the "Anybody but Obama" tune in support of Romney, have you really taken a critical look at the things he has supported and voted for? Just HOW, exactly, is it so much better?

Has anyone paid attention to the continuity of presidential behavior for the last 30 years or so?

Obama has been doing what Bush 2 did, who was doing what Clinton did, who was doing what Bush 1 did, who was doing what Reagan did...

Note: I'm talking about execution of policies that matter to the Federal Reserve tyrants, not stuff like Clinton's sexual dalliances.

At each and every point of time, they always have, and always will, attempt to take away our freedoms at exactly the fastest possible rate that they are able to proceed at, without provoking an immediate revolution.

Lenin, instructing about moving a cause forward, once said: "Probe with a bayonet: if you meet steel, stop. If you meet mush, then push."

Does anyone really believe that you can know what a President Romney would be like by studying the voting record of Senator Romney? If so, didn't you learn anything from watching Obama endorse all of the evil measures that he spoke against when he was a Senator?

You can have Ron Paul, a black Obama, or a white Obama - those are your choices.

Anyone except Ron Paul, will do exactly what his handler, appointed by the Rothschilds, tells him to do.

Of course if Ron Paul does win, I will be staying up all night praying for his personal safety, but if anything did happen to him, maybe - just maybe - this country would actually wake up.

If we're gonna have another 4 years of Obama, why not the enemy we know than the one we don't?

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