DRONES LOOKING DOWN ON U.S. CITIZENS , THE ******** IN WASHINGTON

[skrappyone]

That statement "If I am not doing anything illegal, why should I care if they fly them" is like saying "If I am not doing anything illegal why should I care if they search my house or my car without a warrant" My privacy should be protected better than that. Without probable cause they have no business monitoring me. There is no difference between filming my house from a drone and tapping my phone. If they have reason to believe that I am involved in some illegal activity, they have every right to investigate me. However; if they have no such reason and I am not suspected of any illegal activity, they have no right to monitor my movements or place me under surveillance. This is just another case of our government doing what ever they want to do because they know most people will not say or do anything about it.

Roadrunner

They do it already so why the big buzz....lol...i got 5 negs for expressing my opinion and you talk about privacy, the 1st amendment, and people try to put themselves above all who choose to have a different opinion....to me people that do that are not the American supporter they try to have us believe. JMO so neg away dictators.

[Redwizard]

We have been giving up our privacy for several years now. Look how many "smart phones" the American people have, they all have GPS. How many have "On Star" or something like it on tthere car? The gov can track us anywhere we go but we dont think about that, we are just asking our phone where is the nearest Starbucks. Now our local gov wants to fly drones, what will the drones be equiped with? Basic cams? IR? If the drones were used to catch criminal acts, maybe a kidnapping then that would be great. If they want to spy on the average "joe" then that is just crazy and should be unlawful.

scrappyone, gave you a +, dont see any reason for a -

[Usaok]

Obama is slowly controlling every move we make . He is a socialist communist wanna be if we do not stop him . Vote this monster out . Or else you will be very sorry . Mark my words . "............get our freedom and security back in November . Vote this sneek out .

[skrappyone]

We have been giving up our privacy for several years now. Look how many "smart phones" the American people have, they all have GPS. How many have "On Star" or something like it on tthere car? The gov can track us anywhere we go but we dont think about that, we are just asking our phone where is the nearest Starbucks. Now our local gov wants to fly drones, what will the drones be equiped with? Basic cams? IR? If the drones were used to catch criminal acts, maybe a kidnapping then that would be great. If they want to spy on the average "joe" then that is just crazy and should be unlawful.

scrappyone, gave you a +, dont see any reason for a -

thanks red...but if you express an opinion that doesnt agree with the majority then you get negged. it is a website and everyone is suppose to be able to share their opinion. but there are censors who preach about constitutional rights but wants to dictate who can use them. like i said it is a website...they dont realize they have had no privacy for some years so what is a plane with a camera gonna do...catch me taking a p on the neighbors tree....

[Redwizard]

Obama is slowly controlling every move we make . He is a socialist communist wanna be if we do not stop him . Vote this monster out . Or else you will be very sorry . Mark my words . "............get our freedom and security back in November . Vote this sneek out .

I really hate to say it, but I think Barry will win again. There is more Americans that want something for free then Americans that want to keep the stuff they work for. They are willing to give up there freedom as long as the gov gives them freebies.

Go ahead and neg me Barry fans, but you better look around and pay attention to what is going on around you. Look at all the small business that are closing because the gov is killing them.

[average joe]

iam ok are you ok well just think whos watching us on here

ok let me get the money and run fast to another life :rolleyes:

[Roadrunner]

They do it already so why the big buzz....lol...i got 5 negs for expressing my opinion and you talk about privacy, the 1st amendment, and people try to put themselves above all who choose to have a different opinion....to me people that do that are not the American supporter they try to have us believe. JMO so neg away dictators.

Scappy,

Wow Dude. I didn't know my opinion would offend you so much. If you are that concerned about + and -, I will give you a plus on this one to make you feel better. As far as not being the American Supporter, let me ask what you have done. I can scan my medical record to you if you want. Over the years I have taken six bullets and had my back broke in three places for this country, and almost lost a foot. My job puts me in places where most people would only want to see on television; they certainly wouldn't want to walk down the streets there. I have lost more friends and picked up more body parts than I care to remember. Just so you will know the money is not as good as you might think. I served my country in the Marines and now I serve it as a civilian, and I get great satisfaction from that. I'll stop now before I get upset. Have a good day.

Roadrunner

[kosman]

Kosman,

I respect you opinion and there is some merit to it. However; my yard is not in plain view. There is not another house in sight of mine and I have an eight foot wall around my yard. I selected this location for that purpose and built the wall at great expense because I value my privacy. Should I then also be expected to incur the extra cost of putting a roof over my yard as well? A prime example is; there is nothing illegal about me skinny dipping or having sex at my pool, but I don't want it open for public viewing.

Roadrunner

Good point, but....can you stop all aircraft from flying over your property? Can you stop any? When I enjoy my land to the fullest and and I am talking about acres not a yard, I just wave to passing aircraft. It is kind of embarrassing since the river is cold

Since I have not the power or the wisdom to make a definitive decision on this, I will accept your opinion as valid as mine, maybe a little more so because I like it.

Since my mind is wandering and I am very unhappy in the stanbox today without an RV, let me bring up another question I would like to hear discussion on. We all know what land ownership is, you own the land surface, you must also own the mineral right to own below the surface. The question: How far up does your land ownership extend? This is not a trick question, I really don't know the answer.

Can we have a beer now?

[kosman]

Everyn, this is a great discussion and I like it.   The question seems to be, can law enforcement look down on private property that is fenced?   The courts have held that if a law enforcement  is in a place he has legal authority to be in, he/she does not have to close their eyes to any criminal activity they can see. <BR><BR>Take the privacy fence. standing at street level I would think there would be an expected right to privacy.  A law enforcement officer would not be able to extridary meand to defeat the purpose of the fence without a warrant,  cannot use a ladder to look over the fence.   However, if the same officer is on a nearby hill that overlooks the property, he/she does not have to close thier eyes to illegal activity.<BR><BR>Now, I am applying current court decisions to the drone question.   I believe what will be addressed to the court will be that drones are extrodinary means to defeat an expected right to privacy.   I have no idea what the final answer will be, but as long as we still have a supreme court, (please vote correctly in November) constituional questions will go to them.    <BR><BR>I believe the entire argument of the law enforcement agencies will be that it is no different that manned aircraft for law enforcement patrol and that drones are cheaper and safer.   They will try to avoid the discussion that it is much more efficient and therefore more intrusive to the general public. <BR><BR>And in case anyone is wondering, the answer is absolutely NO to the question if I am doing nothing wrong do I let law enforcement search my person or property without valid authority by probable cause or warrant.   I fought for this country and it values and I will be damned if I let anyone degrade the meaning and intent of the constitution.  My words on this subject are just opinions based on prior experience and education.   <BR><BR>The bottom line is that drones are a new technology and previous court rulings, opinions and decisions have not yet been applied to them. <BR><BR>Now I have to get back to life in the middle of nowhere, but I can tell you one thing, these drones are life savers here. America only has the liberty it does because we have the right and exercise that right to discuss these issues and redress it to the governement.   I only said it once,  please vote so we may retain those rights.<BR><BR>

Edited April 25, 2012 by kosman

[jcfrag]

US skies to be full of drones

The American skies may soon be full of drones after it was disclosed that domestic law enforcement agencies – from the FBI to local police – have been granted permission to deploy the unmanned aircraft.

An MQ-9 Reaper on a training mission

Documents obtained under Freedom of Information laws show that show that more than 50 non-military organisations have asked to fly drone aircraft, many of which can carry cameras and surveillance equipment for spying within the US.

The figures from the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group pledged to defending Americans from digital snooping by government, showed that major agencies like the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice had been cleared to launch drones.

But more alarmingly, the documents reveal that individual city police forces are also drawing up plans to use the reconnaissance aircraft more regularly associated with top secret missions against terror suspects in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen.

Police chiefs in Miami, Seattle and even North Little Rock – a city in Arkansas of less than 70,000 people – were all cleared by the Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) to launch drones within their jurisdictions.

A spokesman for the North Little Rock Police Department told the Wall Street Journal that it was only using its unmanned helicopter for training over unpopulated areas but hoped to eventually fly it above crime-ridden neighbourhoods and use it to gather intelligence for major drug cases.

In one of the few examples of an application being rejected, the FAA refused to sign off on a request by campus police at the Georgia Institute of Technology, a force tasked with protecting and keeping order among the university's 20,000 students.

In response to the revelation both Democrats and Republicans in Congress last week wrote to the FAA demanding that it take into account privacy concerns before approving deployments.

"We must ensure that as drones take flight in domestic airspace, they don't take off without privacy protections for those along their flight path," said Ed Markey, a Democrat from Massachusetts who co-chairs the Congressional Privacy Caucus with a Republican from Texas.

American pilots have previously raised concern that large numbers of drone could pose a danger for manned aircraft.

I'm going to be as honest as I can here...... I'm really starting to get paranoid..... as in the US govt just bought 450 million rounds of 40 caliber hollow points. Geneva Convention states that hollow points are not fair, and not allowed. That means the hollow points can be used only for the (failing fast) USofA. They can not be used against any enemies of the US outside of its borders...... Are there 450 million terrorist in the USofA??????

[kosman]

Roadrunner, I knew I liked you! You replied the above while I was writing the following so you beat me to the punch. Mine is just a bit longer but since I put so much time in it I'm going to post it anyway.

Quote from Kosman

"However, in your yard, they can look into what you are doing with no warrant needed because it can be viewed without intrusion, plain view. They may be in a building that is higher and see what is going on if you have a fence around your yard but it is still outside the wall of your house and in plain view, no expectation of privacy." This is your argument, that what is in my yard behind a fence should have no expectation of privacy because if, from a different angle, it can be plainly seen then it is free for all on watching.

Question: why is it called a privacy fence? Is it not because those of us who choose to use it expect to have “privacy.”

Using your logic we should not complain if the government installs cameras in the sidewalks to look for possible drug deals going on. I know that my wife wears dresses in order to shield others from looking at her “private parts” but since, “from another angle” one can view the underside of her dress, we should not expect any privacy here either. Is that what you are saying? Just trying to be clear.

Then the next natural step in this erosion is OK by you too I guess. Public bathroom stalls. I mean, if someone can see you relieving your bowls by simply looking over the top of the adjacent stall thereby “viewing from a different angle,” then this is open for anyone including our government to install cameras as everyone knows that all sorts of criminal activities occur there from drug deals to illegal sexual encounters of all kinds.

Perhaps your solution is that we now go to the expense of placing large canvas shields over our yards if we expect any real privacy. I'm sure that would not cost much, although it will probably have a deleterious result to my grass and garden with the reduced light.

I know my wife would lose her place of sunbathing with this new found shade. She has already stated that she will have to stop sunbathing in the nude if she finds local law enforcement is flying around town specifically monitoring our backyard.

What are you saying we should give up:

Our late night rendezvous in the hot tube are definitely now out.

No skinny dipping in the pool.

Gee, I don't know, just the feeling that there is someplace on this entire planet that I can go outside and feel is really mine to relax, unwind, and not feel like I am being watched.

Are you saying that this is not to be included in what our founding fathers had in mind when they fought for our freedom?

I think it is becoming clearer and clearer that the temperature of the pot of water we “frogs” here in America are in is nearing the boiling point but since it has slowly been rising for so many years now, most are so comfortable with the warm feeling of our big brother “protecting” us for our own good that we will not stand up and do anything about it.

In conclusion, one of the member here at Dinarvets.com ends all his posts with this great quote:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke, Philosopher, Politician (1729-1797)

To me, that says it all. If we continue to allow the encroachment of an ever more invasive government, and say or do nothing about it, than we deserve the lack of freedom we will one day have which is to say, no freedom at all.

Oh wait, that member who always ends with that quote is you Kosman!

You missunderstand my discussion for what I agree with. To discuss only one side of an issue is to blindly follow the speaker. Something very few people on this forum do. My writing were based on previous court rulings. My opinion is that this will be eventually addressed as constitutional issues in the supreme court. Right now we are applying old rulings to new technology.

And yes, that is my favorite quote, thank you for noticing, by discussing this issue from all sides and opinions, we are not doing nothing. We are educating ourselves to the entire issue.

Can we have a beer now?

Edited April 25, 2012 by kosman

[jcfrag]

I want to moon a drone.

Lets have an official "Moon In"!!!!!!!!!!

Obama is slowly controlling every move we make . He is a socialist communist wanna be if we do not stop him . Vote this monster out . Or else you will be very sorry . Mark my words . "............get our freedom and security back in November . Vote this sneek out .

Poor Poor Poor Usaok.... Nobody told him it has nothing to do with the "Presidency", but who is truly running the US government..... and the rivers do indeed run deep on this one........

[kosman]

Roadrunner, I knew I liked you! You replied the above while I was writing the following so you beat me to the punch. Mine is just a bit longer but since I put so much time in it I'm going to post it anyway.

Quote from Kosman

"However, in your yard, they can look into what you are doing with no warrant needed because it can be viewed without intrusion, plain view. They may be in a building that is higher and see what is going on if you have a fence around your yard but it is still outside the wall of your house and in plain view, no expectation of privacy." This is your argument, that what is in my yard behind a fence should have no expectation of privacy because if, from a different angle, it can be plainly seen then it is free for all on watching.

Question: why is it called a privacy fence? Is it not because those of us who choose to use it expect to have “privacy.”

Using your logic we should not complain if the government installs cameras in the sidewalks to look for possible drug deals going on. I know that my wife wears dresses in order to shield others from looking at her “private parts” but since, “from another angle” one can view the underside of her dress, we should not expect any privacy here either. Is that what you are saying? Just trying to be clear.

Then the next natural step in this erosion is OK by you too I guess. Public bathroom stalls. I mean, if someone can see you relieving your bowls by simply looking over the top of the adjacent stall thereby “viewing from a different angle,” then this is open for anyone including our government to install cameras as everyone knows that all sorts of criminal activities occur there from drug deals to illegal sexual encounters of all kinds.

Perhaps your solution is that we now go to the expense of placing large canvas shields over our yards if we expect any real privacy. I'm sure that would not cost much, although it will probably have a deleterious result to my grass and garden with the reduced light.

I know my wife would lose her place of sunbathing with this new found shade. She has already stated that she will have to stop sunbathing in the nude if she finds local law enforcement is flying around town specifically monitoring our backyard.

What are you saying we should give up:

Our late night rendezvous in the hot tube are definitely now out.

No skinny dipping in the pool.

Gee, I don't know, just the feeling that there is someplace on this entire planet that I can go outside and feel is really mine to relax, unwind, and not feel like I am being watched.

Are you saying that this is not to be included in what our founding fathers had in mind when they fought for our freedom?

I think it is becoming clearer and clearer that the temperature of the pot of water we “frogs” here in America are in is nearing the boiling point but since it has slowly been rising for so many years now, most are so comfortable with the warm feeling of our big brother “protecting” us for our own good that we will not stand up and do anything about it.

In conclusion, one of the member here at Dinarvets.com ends all his posts with this great quote:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke, Philosopher, Politician (1729-1797)

To me, that says it all. If we continue to allow the encroachment of an ever more invasive government, and say or do nothing about it, than we deserve the lack of freedom we will one day have which is to say, no freedom at all.

Oh wait, that member who always ends with that quote is you Kosman!

double post, sorry. But, great discussion.

Edited April 25, 2012 by kosman

[HopefulTxn]

Who really cares about what a drone aircraft is doing when we know that the satellites in space are able to the same or more things???

[krome2ez]

Where Are the 63 Drone Sites Approved by the FAA in the U.S.?

Posted on April 24, 2012 at 9:50am by Liz Klimas

Earlier this year, Congress passed a bill that would open the sky to private, military and commercial drones by 2015. But news revealed through documents obtained by a Freedom of Information Act request shows for the first time who exactly is already authorized to fly drones in the United States.

The Calgary Herald reports the FOIA request made by the Electronic Frontier Foundation showed more than 50 non-military agencies have asked for approval to launch drones. The Daily Mail reported the FOIA revealed 63 active drone sites within the U.S — some of which may be surprising:

Most of the active drones are deployed from military installations, enforcement agencies and border patrol teams, according to the Federal Aviation Authority.

But, astonishingly, 19 universities and colleges are also registered as owners of what are officially known as unmanned aerial vehicles.

It is thought that many of institutions, which include Cornell, the University of Colorado, Georgia Tech, and Eastern Gateway Community College, are developing drone technology.

There are also 21 mainstream manufactures, such as General Atomics, who are registered to use drones domestically.

The Daily Mail explains red flags show active sites and blue show those locations where licences have expired since 2006. (Image: EFF via Daily Mail)

Of those with permission to fly drones domestically, the FAA has granted 42 public entities Certificates of Authorizations (COAs). Sixteen of COAs were reported to have expired and four were not approved. Private drone manufacturers, which are given Special Airworthiness Certificates (SAC), include 21 active locations and 17 inactive.

Here’s what the EFF says is left unanswered for now:

For example, the COA list does not include any information on which model of drone or how many drones each entity flies. In a meeting with the FAA [Thursday], the agency confirmed that there were about 300 active COAs and that the agency has issued about 700-750 authorizations since the program began in 2006. As there are only about 60 entities on the COA list, this means that many of the entities, if not all of them, have multiple COAs (for example, an FAA representative [Thursday] said that University of Colorado may have had as many as 100 different COAs over the last six years). The list also does not explain why certain COA applications were “disapproved” and when other authorizations expired.

See the full list of those with COAs here and the full list of those with SACs here. It is reported the FAA will soon release the type of drones at these locations in a second round of compliance to the FOIA.

As for the Federal Aviation Administration Reauthorization Act passed by Congress earlier this year, it is expected to be signed by President Barack Obama with measures for the regulation of testing and licensing of drones, according to Press TV. The news agency stated that some estimates believe the commercial drone market in the U.S. will be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, with more than 50 companies already developing more than 150 drone systems.

The Blaze has reported several instances where drone technology has already been becoming more mainstream for local police departments and by private drone hobbyists. In January, a Texas man flying his small unmanned aviation system spotted what he called a “huge stream of blood” coming from an animal packing plant, which he then reported to authorities. We’ve also reported on historian Francis Fukuyama’s interest in amateur drone operation. A separate FOIA request late last year revealed the New York Police Department’s counterterrorism division was looking to drones for law enforcement and an image later seen in Brooklyn showed drone activity was already in progress.

(Related: Aerial ‘Shadowhawk’ police drones can now deploy tasers and tear gas)

We’ve also shown media and protesters have also found uses for small drones equipped with cameras to capture otherwise hard-to-film footage.

Note: This is story has been updated since its original posting to include more detailed information.

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/where-are-the-63-drone-sites-approved-by-the-faa-in-the-u-s/

Edited April 25, 2012 by krome2ez

[jcfrag]

So are these things going to be randomly flying around in the sky, running into each other and commercial airplanes, or will FAA be able to track them from air traffic control ....

Oh wait, don't tell me...airtraffic control will be soon be manned by three stratically placed control towers controlled by Big Brother's main frame and the traffic controllers will be replaced by Lockeed Martin computer software and hardware specialist to keep it all up and running.

This sh#t is just getting to be stranger then fiction...domestic drones watching over us, the US buying up 450 million rounds of 40 cal. hollow points for domestic use, the hundreds of thousands of black plastic coffins the CDC keeps stored around the US...and my favorite tale: about how a select few are actively working to drop the world population from 7 billion to 1 billion. (Bill Gates reports his numbers to be more like a drop of only about 10 to 15% of the world population.)

If this is the case, why are we spending all of this money on research to keep us living longer? We should be spending our money on the new innoculation for the virus they are working on...

Geesch, I gotta go.....I'm feeling kinda dead right now.... Just saying..

[jasondb17]

Well I'm not advocating shooting at drones at all, however if there are no humans in them, they are kind of sitting ducks for target practice.

Show me a gun and an ability for someone to shoot/see a drone. Its not happening. they fly at 20k feet at least.

[skrappyone]

Scappy,

Wow Dude. I didn't know my opinion would offend you so much. If you are that concerned about + and -, I will give you a plus on this one to make you feel better. As far as not being the American Supporter, let me ask what you have done. I can scan my medical record to you if you want. Over the years I have taken six bullets and had my back broke in three places for this country, and almost lost a foot. My job puts me in places where most people would only want to see on television; they certainly wouldn't want to walk down the streets there. I have lost more friends and picked up more body parts than I care to remember. Just so you will know the money is not as good as you might think. I served my country in the Marines and now I serve it as a civilian, and I get great satisfaction from that. I'll stop now before I get upset. Have a good day.

Roadrunner

I am not worried about the plus or minuses on here. I stated my opinion like everyone has a right to do, but because it doesn't coincide with others way of thinking then they feel it is not worthy, hence the neg. I too have a privacy fence around my backyard. I use it to keep the dog in the backyard. I am tall enough to see over most privacy fences, note i said most since you stated yours was 8 ft tall. The other houses in my neighborhood are built in the same way as mine, but the way they are built most people can see into the backyards of other homes. I was just simply stating my opinion on here and I feel like I owe you an apology for stepping on your toes.

To use another members saying....NUFF SAID

[rothsdad]

I really don't like these drones. I especially wouldn't like them if they were nuclear.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/02/us-plans-nuclear-drones

They don't seem very reliable also.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2073672/ANOTHER-U-S-drone-crashes--time-Seychelles.html

Still would love to moon one though.

[Roadrunner]

Show me a gun and an ability for someone to shoot/see a drone. Its not happening. they fly at 20k feet at least.

Not all drones are like the Predator or the Pterodactyl. Here are a few smaller ones in use in different areas. The Fox has a maximum ceiling of about 1000 ft. The COP-ter and the Flying Eye have ceilings of about 400 ft. There are others with 250 ft ceilings.

Open Season

[DWitte]

Just a note...Little Rock is the Capital of Arkansas and has well over 70,000. If I'm not doing anything illegal, why should I care if they fly them. JMO

Little Rock is the capital and the largest city of the U.S. state of Arkansas. The Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) had a population of 709,901 people in the 2011 census. The MSA is in turn included in the Little Rock–North Little Rock–Pine Bluff, Arkansas Combined Statistical Area, which had a population of 886,992 in the 2011 census, making it the 47th largest combined statistical area in America. As of the 2010 US Census, Little Rock had a population of 193,524, making it the 118th largest city in America.^[1][2

I am NOT and DO NOT engage in illegal activities. But I do care what our Government does. I am however honored and grateful to live in the USA. We are supposed to enjoy our constitutional priveledge's without having to fight our our Government over them. They can all fly over you for all I care. Stay away from me. They belong elsewhere. Someday and somehow, we the people, will figure out how to get our country back.

[DWitte]

Scappy,

Wow Dude. I didn't know my opinion would offend you so much. If you are that concerned about + and -, I will give you a plus on this one to make you feel better. As far as not being the American Supporter, let me ask what you have done. I can scan my medical record to you if you want. Over the years I have taken six bullets and had my back broke in three places for this country, and almost lost a foot. My job puts me in places where most people would only want to see on television; they certainly wouldn't want to walk down the streets there. I have lost more friends and picked up more body parts than I care to remember. Just so you will know the money is not as good as you might think. I served my country in the Marines and now I serve it as a civilian, and I get great satisfaction from that. I'll stop now before I get upset. Have a good day.

Roadrunner

Dear Sir. (I assume a "Sir" from your posted pic) Roadrunner

I never know if this sounds corny or not, but here goes.

I would honestly like to thank you and give you the respect you deserve for your service yo our country. I was not able to do Military service but I did try. (Medical). MY daughter now serves in the US Navy and I couldn't be more proud of her. No matter opinion or thoughts our Military deserve much better and all need to be recognized for their service. FYI No Military for me but I did get shot in a drive-by and several surgeries from my work. Last, 3 discs replaced in my back, for starters. And I make a living in peoples bathrooms.

Take Care and Thank You Sir.

DWitte

[Roadrunner]

I am not worried about the plus or minuses on here. I stated my opinion like everyone has a right to do, but because it doesn't coincide with others way of thinking then they feel it is not worthy, hence the neg. I too have a privacy fence around my backyard. I use it to keep the dog in the backyard. I am tall enough to see over most privacy fences, note i said most since you stated yours was 8 ft tall. The other houses in my neighborhood are built in the same way as mine, but the way they are built most people can see into the backyards of other homes. I was just simply stating my opinion on here and I feel like I owe you an apology for stepping on your toes.

To use another members saying....NUFF SAID

Scrappyone,

No sweat, and no apology is needed. I probably misinterpreted your post and over reacted. It would not be the first time. The part about not supporting the country just hit me wrong. I am sure you didn't mean it the way I took it. I hope were good on this.

Roadrunner

Edited April 27, 2012 by Roadrunner

[Roadrunner]

Dear Sir. (I assume a "Sir" from your posted pic) Roadrunner

I never know if this sounds corny or not, but here goes.

I would honestly like to thank you and give you the respect you deserve for your service yo our country. I was not able to do Military service but I did try. (Medical). MY daughter now serves in the US Navy and I couldn't be more proud of her. No matter opinion or thoughts our Military deserve much better and all need to be recognized for their service. FYI No Military for me but I did get shot in a drive-by and several surgeries from my work. Last, 3 discs replaced in my back, for starters. And I make a living in peoples bathrooms.

Take Care and Thank You Sir.

DWitte

DWitte

Thank you for the words of praise. I just wanted to say there is no shame in cleaning bathrooms or any other job. Anytime a need exists it is up to someone to fill that need whether it be building houses or cleaning toilets. If you do your job well, then hold your head up and take pride in a job well done. I have delivered pizza, sold books door to door, washed dishes in resturants, drove taxis, and pumped out porta-johns. What ever it takes to put bread on the table, right? Tell your daughter to stay in as long as she can and make the best of it. Good jobs are not as plentiful as they once were.

Roadrunner

[skrappyone]

Scrappyone,

No sweat, and no apology is needed. I probably misinterpreted your post and over reacted. It would not be the first time. The part about not supporting the country just hit me wrong. I am sure you didn't mean it the way I took it. I hope were good on this.

Roadrunner

It's all good. We all are here for one thing and that's to see this to the end, one way or another. I took all the ROTC classes in college that they would let me without signing on the dotted line. I wish I had of followed through with that, would have had a good retirement now, but I didn't think that far ahead. Instead, I supported my country, in my opinion again, by voluteering my time as a volunteer firefighter and a reserve police officer, all was for free. I felt it was helping out my community keeping them safe and rendering my assistance to help them when in need. I am also retired from a full-time department after 20 years. My body too has taken much abuse in the line of my duty, so I can sympathize with you on yours. Let's get along and maybe one day we can sit back, relax and have a drink. So as far as what is said on here, I am not here to bash anyone for what they say or state on here. Next subject, lol, this one is all good and in the history books.