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A. J. Anderson posted in OOM forum Wed morning

01/25/2012

Good Morning,

The USD is somewhat on the rise again at 80.15 up 0.34 from the close of the London and Asian markets, as gold falls 15.50 and is presently $1650.90. I hope gold and the USD keeps up that position, but one never knows. Crude oil and most G-7 currencies are down against the dollar at the present time.

See LINK indicators rates on the left.

The number we are looking for on the value of the USD is between .84 and .86, stable, but it may go above .86 and stay there for a week or so to be stable, before we see the RV.

The IQD is at .0008584 presently and has reached as high as .0008692, but was not stable there.

See at http://www.exchange-rates.org/Rate/IQD/USD

It is my opinion that the RV and the balancing of the G-7 currencies are in the hands of the IMF and Central Banks, since all central banks are connected to the IMF. We will not see the RV until the USD is at .86 stable and the IQD is above .00086 stable.

God Bless,

AJ

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I frequent the OOM a good bit. Very entertaining. AJ has an background in economics and is probably the best thing to hit OOM ever. He is realistic, credible and grounded. He doesn't post bs. He held 3 2 hour training cc's regarding Asset Protection. I don't usually go for the cc's, but I signed up and attended them all, and got some very good information.

AJ is probably my second best source for Dinar related information. I guess you all know who my first is ;)

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I frequent the OOM a good bit. Very entertaining. AJ has an background in economics and is probably the best thing to hit OOM ever. He is realistic, credible and grounded. He doesn't post bs. He held 3 2 hour training cc's regarding Asset Protection. I don't usually go for the cc's, but I signed up and attended them all, and got some very good information.

AJ is probably my second best source for Dinar related information. I guess you all know who my first is ;)

Listen to yourself man...you just said that someone on OOM site has credibility and that you frequent that site often.....do me a favor, tell those idiots over there I have some land I need to sell them and that my teller down at the local bank said get ready to cash in. Also, I think I would just soon you go to those nut jobs for your information.....YOU and those knucklehaeds give this investment a bad rap....

With that said, would you be interested in buying my dinar at say .70 per dinar-that way you and all your OOM buddies can make a nice profit....tell stupid, I mean Okie I said hello.

:P:P:P:P:P

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Listen to yourself man...you just said that someone on OOM site has credibility and that you frequent that site often.....do me a favor, tell those idiots over there I have some land I need to sell them and that my teller down at the local bank said get ready to cash in. Also, I think I would just soon you go to those nut jobs for your information.....YOU and those knucklehaeds give this investment a bad rap....

With that said, would you be interested in buying my dinar at say .70 per dinar-that way you and all your OOM buddies can make a nice profit....tell stupid, I mean Okie I said hello.

:P:P:P:P:P

Hay guy,

Take it easy with the name calling. It is people like you and posts like this that bring this site down. :angry:

By the way I am not an Okie fan either.

Nuff said !

Quad B)

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Hay guy,

Take it easy with the name calling. It is people like you and posts like this that bring this site down. :angry:

By the way I am not an Okie fan either.

Nuff said !

Quad B)

Gee sorry guys... i did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings here at DV. Just been a rough few years of listen to Okie stuff and It really is just...welll darn right upsetting to have someon, I mean golly gee to give anyone give one once of credibility to Okie and or anyone associated with him. We have people in here with serious financial issues listening to he and his followers and dag gonnit I just can't stand to see somneone make just down right dangerous commenst like what was posted regarding credibility.

My sincerest apologies and if you guys would be so kind as to not - for my momentary slip in judgement I would really appreciate it. From this point on nothing but postive comments I promise, cross my heart and hope to RV.....

As a matter of fact I changing from :P to :D

With warmest regards

:D:D:D:D:D

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JF....nicely said. The dollar performance has nothing to do with the dinar RV other than what the rate will be on the Forex when it finally becomes a tradable currency. OOM needs to give it a rest :P

Iraq could care less what the dollar is doing as a reason to RV or not.....they'll RV when it suits them economically, personally and politically best. B)

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Take it easy with the name calling. It is people like you and posts like this that bring this site down. :angry:

By the way I am not an Okie fan either. Nuff said ! Quad B)

Thanks for the defense, quadkidd1. I am way not an Okie fan either! But I'm also not close minded enough to condemn a post based on where it came from rather than what's in it. Especially when I have never read any of the authors post (when I'm reasonably sure my latter basher hasn't).

I read as much information as I can find on this speculation I've gotten involved in. Most of it is pure fantasy. But I do find a few out there who are credible. Is their information always right? Probably not, but I have the intelligence to read and digest their information and make my own mind up about how much I care to believe. Do I believe Adam's prediction of .10 rv rate? Not totally, but it is food for thought and I think he will be a lot closer than those who say $7 - $12.

btw mgr - have you ever read a single post from AJ before today? I suspect not. And don't worry bout hurting my feelings. You didn't.

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Gee sorry guys... i did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings here at DV. Just been a rough few years of listen to Okie stuff and It really is just...welll darn right upsetting to have someon, I mean golly gee to give anyone give one once of credibility to Okie and or anyone associated with him. We have people in here with serious financial issues listening to he and his followers and dag gonnit I just can't stand to see somneone make just down right dangerous commenst like what was posted regarding credibility.

My sincerest apologies and if you guys would be so kind as to not - for my momentary slip in judgement I would really appreciate it. From this point on nothing but postive comments I promise, cross my heart and hope to RV.....

As a matter of fact I changing from :P to :D

With warmest regards

:D:D:D:D:D

+ 1 from quad.

Thanks for the reply.

Quad B)

Thanks for the defense, quadkidd1. I am way not an Okie fan either! But I'm also not close minded enough to condemn a post based on where it came from rather than what's in it. Especially when I have never read any of the authors post (when I'm reasonably sure my latter basher hasn't).

I read as much information as I can find on this speculation I've gotten involved in. Most of it is pure fantasy. But I do find a few out there who are credible. Is their information always right? Probably not, but I have the intelligence to read and digest their information and make my own mind up about how much I care to believe. Do I believe Adam's prediction of .10 rv rate? Not totally, but it is food for thought and I think he will be a lot closer than those who say $7 - $12.

btw mgr - have you ever read a single post from AJ before today? I suspect not. And don't worry bout hurting my feelings. You didn't.

Agreed agreed agreed ! + 1

Well said!

Quad B)

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JF....nicely said. The dollar performance has nothing to do with the dinar RV other than what the rate will be on the Forex when it finally becomes a tradable currency. OOM needs to give it a rest :P

Iraq could care less what the dollar is doing as a reason to RV or not.....they'll RV when it suits them economically, personally and politically best. B)

Yep....I have been miffed as to why these "gurus" claim where the dollar needs to be at for the rv to take place.

A guru from a different site as well, has been saying this same thing for months now. I still see no logic in this. In fact, it was last week the dollar was to be finally reaching the magical 86 cents....yet it did not, & low & behold, the dollar is moving the opposite direction.

I also agree with your statement as far as the rv will happen.....when Iraq is ready. I just hope they truly are ready now!!

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JF....nicely said. The dollar performance has nothing to do with the dinar RV other than what the rate will be on the Forex when it finally becomes a tradable currency. OOM needs to give it a rest :P

Iraq could care less what the dollar is doing as a reason to RV or not.....they'll RV when it suits them economically, personally and politically best. B)

I'm continually amazed at the level of judgment and condescension by some of the members on this site. I want to hear people opinions, I care about the facts and getting to them. Like most people that are not taking every post as a personal insult. If that is you, you have a problem within yourself that money will not solve.

You are identifying your own sense of worth and making your value subject to another person, as if they have any influence over you, or want to. They only have an effect when you chose to let them, it is YOUR personal decision and consequence for letting a post you don't agree with or believe become the trigger to vent with personal attacks at every singe Okie post.

It's becoming a complete annoyance and distraction, and is souring the milk for the rest of us. It's not a matter of whether I believe a specific person or post, I look at all of it and I want to hear the lies as well as the truth for myself.

Why should I trust or listen to someone that can only snipe, and seems to care only about their own opinion and not others. I like Okie, I think he has many good characteristics. He may be 100% wrong, but I doubt it. But I have no reason to dislike him for trying.

If he is pumping, GOOD. Thank God for pumpers. Without people like him many people would not be involved with the Dinar. And if you think somebody who comes into a windfall from the Dinar is going to fault Okie in the end, you are on the wrong end of the logic stick. The reason you buy Dinar is not relevant in the end, only that you do.

And people who think they are helping the rest of us by shaking their fist and treating Okie, or any other poster as if they belong in prison or should be beat to a pulp have a serious anger management and maturity issues to deal with. Get professional or family help, or at least say something of substance so that you are not just another disgruntled Dinar holder.

It's extremely easy to complain and attack. 10 times easier than trying to help, which I believe personally Okie is doing. In his mind he is doing a service. If you can't see that at least he believes that, then you've probably never served anyone but yourself and so you don't recognize those qualities in others.

The more you complain, the more I like Okie. I'd have a beer with him vs. sitting with someone that sits in judgment without actually knowing anything. All you are hearing is what he says, but that is not all he is. Right or wrong, that is the essence of our Constitution and way of life here, the speech is protected because people are not only allowed, but encouraged to speak their mind.

It's there to protect the controversial speech, not so much the speech that most people agree with. Otherwise, you end up with mob rule. I am glad to see that the nagging haters are not getting too much traction here, and most people don't care for it based on the ratings and comments.

I know it won't ever stop, but I'm pretty sure those who call Okie all those hateful and vindictive names will not lift a finger to make a public statement if he turns out to be right. They'll chalk it up to luck or something. That's always how it is. All the good work of a man, however sincere and helpful, yet imperfect it may be, can be destroyed by a few words of a lazy hateful person, and it's contagious. People constantly pig pile on Okie, and I think that is unfair simply because he is not even aware of it, or here to defend himself and you don't have to read or like what he writes. It's all self-imposed, so please take personal responsibility for your own decisions and reactions.

There are millions of people out there saying things every day you don't agree with. Ask yourself why you are so fixated on just a few people such as Okie. For one, it's because he put himself out there and become vulnerable to shots from naysayers. He's a sitting duck for snipers. But it's not a fair fight. And if you are not in the game providing information, or trying, accurate or not, you might want to consider that you're not in a position to judge anything for anyone but yourself and those you have responsibility over.

Every time I see an Okie post I want to read it right away, not because I hang on every word, but because it's entertaining and causes me to focus and think about whether it holds any water. I do think he appears to be quite sincere... I don't know yet, but it's no big deal either way. This is not about Okie, so quit looking for someone to take the heat for your own lack of confidence and comfort. It's not Okie's fault for anything you did or will do, get over it.

That anger should be focused where it belongs, on the elected leaders of our country that are lying to us and keeping us down. Okie is on our side, like it or not, you have to live with it. He is not a poison pill, and if you keep acting like folks that disagree with you or make you angry don't deserve to live, you need help. That's my very personal opinion and you can hate me or not. Treat me like Okie if you want, because like him, I'll keep talking anyway.

Many more mature people can see something in Okie their intuition considers as at least sincere. Not that one should believe what he says and act on it, but listening and consideration never hurt anyone. Not listening and hating does.

Just to be clear, having arguments and speaking out is good and healthy, until it turns into a hate fest. With Okie and others like him, it's one-sided so there can never be a conclusion anyway... it's a total waste of time to sit and rank Okie because it's like talking to the newscaster on the TV. He can't hear you and he doesn't care anyway. It's a terminal and self-serving thing to vent and attack. Fruitless, except to annoy the rest of us.

Hopefully, very soon Okie will become a faint memory and magically all the anger against him will be seen for what it truly is. I understand that nobody likes being lied to. I hate it too. But it helps to consider the source and simply ignore it if it's eating at you. Chill, you're only hurting yourself, not Okie.

... I told the Doctor... it hurts when I do this... the Doctor said, well, stop doing that. Oh. But I realize also that many people want, and feel they need to get angry at something, blame something. So, I guess in that respect Okie serves some useful function, as a human pincushion to relieve the stress of some of us. :) But he does have a right to speak and also to be and idiot or to be wrong. I just think it's premature to make a final judgment on that yet and to condemn him just because you have made up your mind or assume all he says is a lie.

I doubt that, there is most probably some truth to a lot that he says, but we throw it all out with the bathwater... I understand that he is not very credible, but I give him a lot of credit for trying, and I hate complainers that have no skin in the game, who just ridicule as if they are perfect.

JMHO.

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I'm continually amazed at the level of judgment and condescension by some of the members on this site. I want to hear people opinions, I care about the facts and getting to them. Like most people that are not taking every post as a personal insult. If that is you, you have a problem within yourself that money will not solve.

You are identifying your own sense of worth and making your value subject to another person, as if they have any influence over you, or want to. They only have an effect when you chose to let them, it is YOUR personal decision and consequence for letting a post you don't agree with or believe become the trigger to vent with personal attacks at every singe Okie post.

It's becoming a complete annoyance and distraction, and is souring the milk for the rest of us. It's not a matter of whether I believe a specific person or post, I look at all of it and I want to hear the lies as well as the truth for myself.

Why should I trust or listen to someone that can only snipe, and seems to care only about their own opinion and not others. I like Okie, I think he has many good characteristics. He may be 100% wrong, but I doubt it. But I have no reason to dislike him for trying.

If he is pumping, GOOD. Thank God for pumpers. Without people like him many people would not be involved with the Dinar. And if you think somebody who comes into a windfall from the Dinar is going to fault Okie in the end, you are on the wrong end of the logic stick. The reason you buy Dinar is not relevant in the end, only that you do.

And people who think they are helping the rest of us by shaking their fist and treating Okie, or any other poster as if they belong in prison or should be beat to a pulp have a serious anger management and maturity issues to deal with. Get professional or family help, or at least say something of substance so that you are not just another disgruntled Dinar holder.

It's extremely easy to complain and attack. 10 times easier than trying to help, which I believe personally Okie is doing. In his mind he is doing a service. If you can't see that at least he believes that, then you've probably never served anyone but yourself and so you don't recognize those qualities in others.

The more you complain, the more I like Okie. I'd have a beer with him vs. sitting with someone that sits in judgment without actually knowing anything. All you are hearing is what he says, but that is not all he is. Right or wrong, that is the essence of our Constitution and way of life here, the speech is protected because people are not only allowed, but encouraged to speak their mind.

It's there to protect the controversial speech, not so much the speech that most people agree with. Otherwise, you end up with mob rule. I am glad to see that the nagging haters are not getting too much traction here, and most people don't care for it based on the ratings and comments.

I know it won't ever stop, but I'm pretty sure those who call Okie all those hateful and vindictive names will not lift a finger to make a public statement if he turns out to be right. They'll chalk it up to luck or something. That's always how it is. All the good work of a man, however sincere and helpful, yet imperfect it may be, can be destroyed by a few words of a lazy hateful person, and it's contagious. People constantly pig pile on Okie, and I think that is unfair simply because he is not even aware of it, or here to defend himself and you don't have to read or like what he writes. It's all self-imposed, so please take personal responsibility for your own decisions and reactions.

There are millions of people out there saying things every day you don't agree with. Ask yourself why you are so fixated on just a few people such as Okie. For one, it's because he put himself out there and become vulnerable to shots from naysayers. He's a sitting duck for snipers. But it's not a fair fight. And if you are not in the game providing information, or trying, accurate or not, you might want to consider that you're not in a position to judge anything for anyone but yourself and those you have responsibility over.

Every time I see an Okie post I want to read it right away, not because I hang on every word, but because it's entertaining and causes me to focus and think about whether it holds any water. I do think he appears to be quite sincere... I don't know yet, but it's no big deal either way. This is not about Okie, so quit looking for someone to take the heat for your own lack of confidence and comfort. It's not Okie's fault for anything you did or will do, get over it.

That anger should be focused where it belongs, on the elected leaders of our country that are lying to us and keeping us down. Okie is on our side, like it or not, you have to live with it. He is not a poison pill, and if you keep acting like folks that disagree with you or make you angry don't deserve to live, you need help. That's my very personal opinion and you can hate me or not. Treat me like Okie if you want, because like him, I'll keep talking anyway.

Many more mature people can see something in Okie their intuition considers as at least sincere. Not that one should believe what he says and act on it, but listening and consideration never hurt anyone. Not listening and hating does.

Just to be clear, having arguments and speaking out is good and healthy, until it turns into a hate fest. With Okie and others like him, it's one-sided so there can never be a conclusion anyway... it's a total waste of time to sit and rank Okie because it's like talking to the newscaster on the TV. He can't hear you and he doesn't care anyway. It's a terminal and self-serving thing to vent and attack. Fruitless, except to annoy the rest of us.

Hopefully, very soon Okie will become a faint memory and magically all the anger against him will be seen for what it truly is. I understand that nobody likes being lied to. I hate it too. But it helps to consider the source and simply ignore it if it's eating at you. Chill, you're only hurting yourself, not Okie.

... I told the Doctor... it hurts when I do this... the Doctor said, well, stop doing that. Oh. But I realize also that many people want, and feel they need to get angry at something, blame something. So, I guess in that respect Okie serves some useful function, as a human pincushion to relieve the stress of some of us. :) But he does have a right to speak and also to be and idiot or to be wrong. I just think it's premature to make a final judgment on that yet and to condemn him just because you have made up your mind or assume all he says is a lie.

I doubt that, there is most probably some truth to a lot that he says, but we throw it all out with the bathwater... I understand that he is not very credible, but I give him a lot of credit for trying, and I hate complainers that have no skin in the game, who just ridicule as if they are perfect.

JMHO.

Son or maybe you are a girl. I personally have never posted anything against the guy. I will tell you what occurs on the "darkside" is continual disinformation, biased for the RV to just jump up and make itself known at any moment. If they had secret sources, amazing contacts, why does it never come to fruition? Because they have none of the above. It is just a cloud of dust. :):):)

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I frequent the OOM a good bit. Very entertaining. AJ has an background in economics and is probably the best thing to hit OOM ever. He is realistic, credible and grounded. He doesn't post bs. He held 3 2 hour training cc's regarding Asset Protection. I don't usually go for the cc's, but I signed up and attended them all, and got some very good information.

AJ is probably my second best source for Dinar related information. I guess you all know who my first is ;)

AJ is a level headed person, love his posts, very informative! :tiphat:

I'm continually amazed at the level of judgment and condescension by some of the members on this site. I want to hear people opinions, I care about the facts and getting to them. Like most people that are not taking every post as a personal insult. If that is you, you have a problem within yourself that money will not solve.

You are identifying your own sense of worth and making your value subject to another person, as if they have any influence over you, or want to. They only have an effect when you chose to let them, it is YOUR personal decision and consequence for letting a post you don't agree with or believe become the trigger to vent with personal attacks at every singe Okie post.

It's becoming a complete annoyance and distraction, and is souring the milk for the rest of us. It's not a matter of whether I believe a specific person or post, I look at all of it and I want to hear the lies as well as the truth for myself.

Why should I trust or listen to someone that can only snipe, and seems to care only about their own opinion and not others. I like Okie, I think he has many good characteristics. He may be 100% wrong, but I doubt it. But I have no reason to dislike him for trying.

If he is pumping, GOOD. Thank God for pumpers. Without people like him many people would not be involved with the Dinar. And if you think somebody who comes into a windfall from the Dinar is going to fault Okie in the end, you are on the wrong end of the logic stick. The reason you buy Dinar is not relevant in the end, only that you do.

And people who think they are helping the rest of us by shaking their fist and treating Okie, or any other poster as if they belong in prison or should be beat to a pulp have a serious anger management and maturity issues to deal with. Get professional or family help, or at least say something of substance so that you are not just another disgruntled Dinar holder.

It's extremely easy to complain and attack. 10 times easier than trying to help, which I believe personally Okie is doing. In his mind he is doing a service. If you can't see that at least he believes that, then you've probably never served anyone but yourself and so you don't recognize those qualities in others.

The more you complain, the more I like Okie. I'd have a beer with him vs. sitting with someone that sits in judgment without actually knowing anything. All you are hearing is what he says, but that is not all he is. Right or wrong, that is the essence of our Constitution and way of life here, the speech is protected because people are not only allowed, but encouraged to speak their mind.

It's there to protect the controversial speech, not so much the speech that most people agree with. Otherwise, you end up with mob rule. I am glad to see that the nagging haters are not getting too much traction here, and most people don't care for it based on the ratings and comments.

I know it won't ever stop, but I'm pretty sure those who call Okie all those hateful and vindictive names will not lift a finger to make a public statement if he turns out to be right. They'll chalk it up to luck or something. That's always how it is. All the good work of a man, however sincere and helpful, yet imperfect it may be, can be destroyed by a few words of a lazy hateful person, and it's contagious. People constantly pig pile on Okie, and I think that is unfair simply because he is not even aware of it, or here to defend himself and you don't have to read or like what he writes. It's all self-imposed, so please take personal responsibility for your own decisions and reactions.

There are millions of people out there saying things every day you don't agree with. Ask yourself why you are so fixated on just a few people such as Okie. For one, it's because he put himself out there and become vulnerable to shots from naysayers. He's a sitting duck for snipers. But it's not a fair fight. And if you are not in the game providing information, or trying, accurate or not, you might want to consider that you're not in a position to judge anything for anyone but yourself and those you have responsibility over.

Every time I see an Okie post I want to read it right away, not because I hang on every word, but because it's entertaining and causes me to focus and think about whether it holds any water. I do think he appears to be quite sincere... I don't know yet, but it's no big deal either way. This is not about Okie, so quit looking for someone to take the heat for your own lack of confidence and comfort. It's not Okie's fault for anything you did or will do, get over it.

That anger should be focused where it belongs, on the elected leaders of our country that are lying to us and keeping us down. Okie is on our side, like it or not, you have to live with it. He is not a poison pill, and if you keep acting like folks that disagree with you or make you angry don't deserve to live, you need help. That's my very personal opinion and you can hate me or not. Treat me like Okie if you want, because like him, I'll keep talking anyway.

Many more mature people can see something in Okie their intuition considers as at least sincere. Not that one should believe what he says and act on it, but listening and consideration never hurt anyone. Not listening and hating does.

Just to be clear, having arguments and speaking out is good and healthy, until it turns into a hate fest. With Okie and others like him, it's one-sided so there can never be a conclusion anyway... it's a total waste of time to sit and rank Okie because it's like talking to the newscaster on the TV. He can't hear you and he doesn't care anyway. It's a terminal and self-serving thing to vent and attack. Fruitless, except to annoy the rest of us.

Hopefully, very soon Okie will become a faint memory and magically all the anger against him will be seen for what it truly is. I understand that nobody likes being lied to. I hate it too. But it helps to consider the source and simply ignore it if it's eating at you. Chill, you're only hurting yourself, not Okie.

... I told the Doctor... it hurts when I do this... the Doctor said, well, stop doing that. Oh. But I realize also that many people want, and feel they need to get angry at something, blame something. So, I guess in that respect Okie serves some useful function, as a human pincushion to relieve the stress of some of us. :) But he does have a right to speak and also to be and idiot or to be wrong. I just think it's premature to make a final judgment on that yet and to condemn him just because you have made up your mind or assume all he says is a lie.

I doubt that, there is most probably some truth to a lot that he says, but we throw it all out with the bathwater... I understand that he is not very credible, but I give him a lot of credit for trying, and I hate complainers that have no skin in the game, who just ridicule as if they are perfect.

JMHO.

Vastdream, well said, you are so right! :tiphat:

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Listen to yourself man...you just said that someone on OOM site has credibility and that you frequent that site often.....do me a favor, tell those idiots over there I have some land I need to sell them and that my teller down at the local bank said get ready to cash in. Also, I think I would just soon you go to those nut jobs for your information.....YOU and those knucklehaeds give this investment a bad rap....

With that said, would you be interested in buying my dinar at say .70 per dinar-that way you and all your OOM buddies can make a nice profit....tell stupid, I mean Okie I said hello.

:P:P:P:P:P

no need for name calling

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Vastdream you seem to be in a position like many of us to not be relying on any rumtel for your salvation. Whether the dinar revalues or not, we shall still have a fulfilling life.

The vast majority from what I can gather that flock to most of the guru sites or either there because they are expecting a miracle, or because they get a really good laugh from them. Those expecting the miracle, are led to believe without cessation or apology when it doesn't happen day in day out, that these people know what they are talking about. Do you not think that is wrong? Do you not think it is taking advantage of some very vulnerable members of society? I do, and if they are not savvy enough to understand that it's mainly a load of baloney do you not think it is humane to tell them so? After warning them, and they still believe verbatim the garbage then more fool them and I really have no sympathy.

A J Anderson has appeared from nowhere as an asset protection guru. Just a couple of points on that qualification, he thought and said, that the dinar had Devalued when it actually Revalued a tiny bit, and for weeks banged on about the C.B.I. pumping the dinar. Fairly basic errors there.

I like dinar vets these days because for the most part the nastiness has gone, and there are some seriously bright people here who don't live in la la land. Most do not bash for bashings sake, but are truly concerned about the nonsense that is spouted. Hope you understand that.

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