WHY IRAQ WON'T RV YET

[caz1104]

thanks for the kind approach. its appreciated.

Back at cha.Best to all

[HopefulTxn]

Iran doesn't have a Central Bank, period. Iraq didn't have one, do now. Libya didn't have one, do now. Syria doesn't have one, they will after Iran. If you

see a pattern then you should look into it, research Iranian people and see what they have to say, stop eating propaganda.

After the middle east is done, then it is going to be Chavez and Venezuela. He still needs a Central Bank. That is if we don't go into WWIII if Iran is attacked.

As for the Dinar, I don't think Iran is holding anything up, this is much bigger than just a country. RV

So you don't think that Iran, Syria or Venezuela have central banks??? What brings you to that conclusion???

If those institutions don't exist, as you seem to state, who exactly is issuing and maintaining the Iranian rial, Syrian pound and Venezuelan bolivar?

Sorry, but this just sounds like someone has been wading too long in the conspiracy pool...

[lotsofdinar]

The Iran central bank

http://www.cbi.ir/default_en.aspx

The Syrian central bank

http://www.banquecentrale.gov.sy/

The Venzualia Central Bank

http://www.bcv.org.ve/englishversion/index.asp

Edited January 19, 2012 by lotsofdinar

[tigerstripes]

Sorry, but that exposes the mainstream brainwashing you have endured at the hands of your politicians and your TV set (FAUX NEWS, CNN Etc..),

Iran doesn't have a Central Bank, period. Iraq didn't have one, do now. Libya didn't have one, do now. Syria doesn't have one, they will after Iran. If you

see a pattern then you should look into it, research Iranian people and see what they have to say, stop eating propaganda.

The ones that run the US government are not full Americans, they are dual citizens of the USA and another country. These include the ones running the Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, CIA, ect, (Proof Please???? - no "birther" conspiracy websites allowed - many thanks)

so if you cannot see the ties that go right to the ones pulling the strings on takeovers of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Iran, Syria,

then again, follow the Money.

I would think Americans would want people of other countries to hear their voices, so maybe give theirs a chance and do some research, can't hurt. Do I agree with their way of life?,

of course not, but that isn't the reason that other country wants to attack Iran, (I won't mention that other country here, I know what will happen lol)

After the middle east is done, then it is going to be Chavez and Venezuela. He still needs a Central Bank. That is if we don't go into WWIII if Iran is attacked.

As for the Dinar, I don't think Iran is holding anything up, this is much bigger than just a country. RV

http://www.cbi.ir/default_en.aspx

http://www.bcv.org.v...rsion/index.asp

http://www.banquecen....sy/main-eg.htm

Sorry lotsofdinar - must have typing at the same time.

[Ell123]

Sorry, but that exposes the mainstream brainwashing you have endured at the hands of your politicians and your TV set (FAUX NEWS, CNN Etc..),

Iran doesn't have a Central Bank, period. Iraq didn't have one, do now. Libya didn't have one, do now. Syria doesn't have one, they will after Iran. If you

see a pattern then you should look into it, research Iranian people and see what they have to say, stop eating propaganda.

The ones that run the US government are not full Americans, they are dual citizens of the USA and another country. These include the ones running the

Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, CIA, ect, so if you cannot see the ties that go right to the ones pulling the strings on takeovers of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Iran, Syria,

then again, follow the Money.

I would think Americans would want people of other countries to hear their voices, so maybe give theirs a chance and do some research, can't hurt. Do I agree with their way of life?,

of course not, but that isn't the reason that other country wants to attack Iran, (I won't mention that other country here, I know what will happen lol)

After the middle east is done, then it is going to be Chavez and Venezuela. He still needs a Central Bank. That is if we don't go into WWIII if Iran is attacked.

As for the Dinar, I don't think Iran is holding anything up, this is much bigger than just a country. RV

YES SUR!..... Im with this idea.

[pattyangel]

Maybe Adam had a very good reason to take away our "+" and "-" because he knew today would be one heck of a day. It seems to be ping pong day, back and forth day. Just everyone enjoy each others opinions and lay low of the rumors. This is serious stuff coming down the pipeline. We won't know until we know.

[markchem]

Carlos,

You provide some fodder for a lot of interesting debate. I personally do not believe that Iraq has any crippling bargaining chips with respect to their oil. Their are several shale oil reserves alone in the states that boast containing enough oil to supply the world's needs for the next 200 years. Their is presumed large reserves in Mexico, South America, Eastern Europe, Russia that, for various reasons, are still largely untapped. With respect to Iraqi oil, the US lived without it since the embargo of 1989(?) and I wonder how much we have gained since the invasion into Iraq in 2003? What Iraq does offer, like the balance of the Middle East, is a very obtainable "sweet" crude oil. Sweet oil (as opposed to a sour crude found throughout Central and South America which contains a lot of sulfur that can wreak havoc on a refinery without being pretreated) is readily refinable. This can save cents on the gallon which, in the world of oil refining, is tons of money. In my opinion it is US (and other) oil companies who have greatest interest in Iraqi oil. But more importantly, Iraq needs them for the potential value they can bring to their economy. Kind of places the shoe on the other foot.

The other players who need the oil, as mentioned by others, are the growing "capitalistic" economies of China and Russia - especially China and they have attained a strong financial position in the world economy. Whoever would have thought China or Russia to be major players in a world capitalistic economy ten or fifteen years ago? Which brings me to think that, even though us Western cultures are hated as a rule by the Arab nations, what prevents them from pursuing the same positions as these Communistic countries? While politics could definitely be in play, I am not sure this is Iranian or Iraqi revenge. Perhaps it is just jockeying for position. My question and ignorance is just how they determine their relative value and attain a position in the established playing field?

[umbertino]

Dont worry, we will soon be knocking on Iran's door....Its inevitable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_swaxOidGU

[billy goat]

Well Carlos - you have brought some valid points to the table. I will take exception to the idea that an Iranian conspiracy exists in delaying an RV. I will admit that the Iraqi government is heavy with Shiite influence with resulting skewed policy. It is not so much vindictiveness but an opportunity for gep-political parity long denied the Shiite populous. Many of Maliki's kinsmen and appointees were exiled during the Saddam era. Maliki himself lived in Syria with others drawn to Iran and other countries sympathetic to their plight. When the extremist, Baathist edicts ended upon Saddam's ouster - Iraqis were eager in embracing another charismatic strong man to represent and expand majority consensus. Sunnis and Shiites have never compromised on anything in their long history and I doubt they ever will. This is a theocratic clash of ideologies (Arab-Sunni vs Persian-Shiite) bent on winning a jihadist race toward larger dominance. Iran's leadership seems more opportunistic and reactive - but less cunning and deceitful than their Arab brothers.

[carlos in san diego]

Dear DV members

Thanks for the time you took from your days to respond to my post. I had meant to draw out some debate during a day of obvious boredom. I read your posts and have considered the conscious thought process that went into what you had to say, with the exception of the guy that was practically relieving himself during his post, I enjoyed hearing from you.

You all were very civil and inteligent, I hope I have caused you to consider my theory in the spirit it was presented. I hope that I am wrong, for the sake of all of us.

Respectfully: Carlos

[Shick]

SO WHAT IS THE POINT OR YOU IN OR OUT, ARE YOU A RELUCTANT INVESTOR, THEN STEP OUT ON FAITH IT WORKS EVERY TIME. GO RV GO !

[CrappieShark]

My only problem with this theory is that the USA is sending pallets of money to Iraq. Pallets of dollars. Without these pallets of dollars they would have had to RVed long ago. Unless they had somehow figured out how to buy food and necessities of life with oil. Which I guess is not too far fetched. But then what is happening to the USD we send. The Iraqi people cry out for USD and somehow the Central bank has it to dole out to them. And Iraq does not have to RV for another month. HMMMM wonder what is keeping them going? Don't read or hear any news about anyone else sending them money. Hey does anyone here believe in coincidence? Well if that's so then conincidentally we give them money and they don't have to RV and the American people keep going more into economic depression because money keeps being printed and sent out in pallets and the American people are not getting any of it. We are paying for this charade. The Muslims are not terrorizing us they are raping us.

Edited January 20, 2012 by CrappieShark

[E. 1999]

The ones that run the US government are not full Americans, they are dual citizens of the USA and another country. These include the ones running the

Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, CIA, ect,

Michael Mukasey

Recently appointed as US Attorney General. Mukasey also was the judge in the litigation between developer Larry Silverstein and several insurance companies arising from the destruction of the World Trade Center.

Michael Chertoff

Former Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, at the Justice Department; now head of Homeland Security.

Richard Perle

One of Bush's foreign policy advisors, he is the chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. A very likely Israeli government agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson's office in the 1970's after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam. Perle came from one the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktanks, the AEI. Perle is one of the leading pro-Israeli fanatics leading this Iraq war mongering within the administration and now in the media.

Paul Wolfowitz

Former Deputy Defense Secretary, and member of Perle's Defense Policy Board, in the Pentagon. Wolfowitz is a close associate of Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military. His sister lives in Israel. Wolfowitz came from the above mentioned Jewish thinktank, JINSA. Wolfowitz was the number two leader within the administration behind this Iraq war mongering. He later was appointed head of the World Bank but resigned under pressure from World Bank members over a scandal involving his misuse of power.

Douglas Feith

Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don't agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith "represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer." Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine. Feith also came from the Jewish thinktank JINSA. Feith, like Perle and Wolfowitz, are campaigning hard for this Israeli proxy war against Iraq.

Lawrence (Larry) Franklin

The former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst with expertise in Iranian policy issues who worked in the office of Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith and reported directly to Feith's deputy, William Luti, was sentenced January 20, 2006, "to more than 12 years in prison for giving classified information to an Israeli diplomat" and members of the pro-Israel lobbying group American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

Franklin will "remain free while the government continues with the wider case" and his "prison time could be sharply reduced in return for his help in prosecuting" former AIPAC members Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, [who] are scheduled to go on trial in April [2006]. Franklin admitted that he met periodically with Rosen and Weissman between 2002 and 2004 and discussed classified information, including information about potential attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq. Rosen and Weissman would later share what they learned with reporters and Israeli officials." (source: sourcewatch.com).

Edward Luttwak

Member of the National Security Study Group of the Department of Defence at the Pentagon. Luttwak is reportedly an Israeli citizen and has taught in Israel. He frequently writes for Israeli and pro-Israeli newspapers and journals. Luttwak is an Israeli extremist whose main theme in many of his articles is the necessity of the U.S. waging war against Iraq and Iran.

Henry Kissinger

One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle. For detailed information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book (Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House). Kissinger likely had a part in the Watergate crimes, Southeast Asia mass murders (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos), Installing Chilean mass murdering dictator Pinochet, Operation Condor's mass killings in South America, and more recently served as Serbia's Ex-Dictator Slobodan Milosevic's Advisor. He consistently advocated going to war against Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S. Unfortunately, President Bush nominated Kissinger as chairman of the September 11 investigating commission. It's like picking a bank robber to investigate a fraud scandal. He later declined this job under enormous protests.

Dov Zakheim

Dov Zakheim is an ordained rabbi and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship. Zakheim attended Jew's College in London and became an ordained Orthodox Jewish Rabbi in 1973. He was adjunct professor at New York's Jewish Yeshiva University. Zakheim is close to the Israeli lobby.

Dov Zakheim is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and in 2000 a co-author of the Project for the New American Century's position paper, Rebuilding America's Defenses, advocating the necessity for a Pearl-Harbor-like incident to mobilize the country into war with its enemies, mostly Middle Eastern Muslim nations.

He was appointed by Bush as Pentagon Comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004. At that time he was unable to explain the disappearance of $1 trillion dollars. Actually, nearly three years earlier, Donald Rumsfeld announced on September 10, 2001 that an audit discovered $2.3 trillion was also missing from the Pentagon books. That story, as mentioned, was buried under 9-11's rubble. The two sums disappeared on Zakheim's watch. We can only guess where that cash went.

Despite these suspicions, on May 6, 2004, Zakheim took a lucrative position at Booz Allen Hamilton, one of the most prestigious strategy consulting firms in the world. One of its clients then was Blessed Relief, a charity said to be a front for Osama bin Laden. Booz, Allen & Hamilton then also worked closely with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which is the research arm of the Department of Defense.

Judicial Inc's bio of Dov tells us Zakheim is a dual Israeli/American citizen and has been tracking the halls of US government for 25 years, casting defense policy and influence on Presidents Reagan, Clinton, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. Judicial Inc points out that most of Israel's armaments were gotten thanks to him. Squads of US F-16 and F-15 were classified military surplus and sold to Israel at a fraction of their value.

Kenneth Adelman

One of many Pentagon Advisors, Adelman also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle, and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supported going to war against Iraq. Adelman frequently is a guest on Fox News, and often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. Through his racism or ignorance, he actually called Arabs "anti-Semitic" on Fox News (11/28/2001), when he could have looked it up in the dictionary to find out that Arabs by definition are Semites.

I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby

Vice President **** Cheney's ex-Chief of Staff. As chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iran. Libby is longtime associate of Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli spy Marc Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president. Libby was recently found guilty of lying to Federal investigators in the Valerie Plame affair, in which Plame, a covert CIA agent, was exposed for political revenge by the Bush administration following her husband's revelations about the lies leading to the Iraq War.

Robert Satloff

U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

Elliott Abrams

National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.

Marc Grossman

Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the pro-Israel Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

Richard Haass

Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocated going to war against Iraq. Haass is also a member of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

Robert Zoellick

U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position. He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates going to war against Iran.

Ari Fleischer

Ex- White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of Chabad's Capitol Jewish Forum. He received the Young Leadership Award from the American Friends of Lubavitch in October, 2001.

James Schlesinger

One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supported going to war against Iraq. Schlesinger is also a commissioner of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

David Frum

White House speechwriter behind the "Axis of Evil" label. He lumped together all the lies and accusations against Iraq for Bush to justify the war.

Joshua Bolten

White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Bolten was previously a banker, former legislative aide, and prominent in the Jewish community.

John Bolton

Former UN Representative and Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. Bolton is also a Senior Advisor to President Bush. Prior to this position, Bolton was Senior Vice President of the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktank, AEI. He recently (October 2002) accused Syria of having a nuclear program, so that they can attack Syria after Iraq. He must have forgotten that Israel has 400 nuclear warheads, some of which are thermonuclear weapons (according to a recent U.S. Air Force report).

David Wurmser

Special Assistant to John Bolton (above), the under-secretary for arms control and international security. Wurmser also worked at the AEI with Perle and Bolton. His wife, Meyrav Wurmser, along with Colonel Yigal Carmon, formerly of Israeli military intelligence, co-founded the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri),a Washington-based Israeli outfit which distributes articles translated from Arabic newspapers portraying Arabs in a bad light.

Eliot Cohen

Member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. Like Adelman, he often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. More recently, he wrote an opinion article in the Wall Street Journal openly admitting his rascist hatred of Islam claiming that Islam should be the enemy, not terrorism.

Mel Sembler

President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

Steve Goldsmith

Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also served as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

Adam Goldman

White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

Joseph Gildenhorn

Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

Christopher Gersten

Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary.

Mark Weinberger

Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs.

Samuel Bodman

Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

Bonnie Cohen

Under Secretary of State for Management.

Ruth Davis

Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

Daniel Kurtzer

Ambassador to Israel.

Cliff Sobel

Ambassador to the Netherlands.

Stuart Bernstein

Ambassador to Denmark.

Nancy Brinker

Ambassador to Hungary

Frank Lavin

Ambassador to Singapore.

Ron Weiser

Ambassador to Slovakia.

Mel Sembler

Ambassador to Italy.

Martin Silverstein

Ambassador to Uruguay.

Lincoln Bloomfield

Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.

Jay Lefkowitz

Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council.

Ken Melman

White House Political Director.

Brad Blakeman

White House Director of Scheduling.

I don't know about you, but dual citizenship is fine with me for an ordinary citizen. But if you hold an official position that demands that you put American interests above all else -- if you should look transparent and fair to the rest of the world regarding your formation of Middle East foreign policies, then this is a dangerous trend. Even if there were no pro-Israeli agenda, the fact that decision makers have a bias or an allegiance to one of the parties involved in the current conflict should have raised red flags long before now.

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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Exactly why somebody like "joe -the-Plumber" needs to be elected to office.... his list of friends would NEVER be that scary....! What a Rogue's gallery!

My only problem with this theory is that the USA is sending pallets of money to Iraq. Pallets of dollars. Without these pallets of dollars they would have had to RVed long ago. Unless they had somehow figured out how to buy food and necessities of life with oil. Which I guess is not too far fetched. But then what is happening to the USD we send. The Iraqi people cry out for USD and somehow the Central bank has it to dole out to them. And Iraq does not have to RV for another month. HMMMM wonder what is keeping them going? Don't read or hear any news about anyone else sending them money. Hey does anyone here believe in coincidence? Well if that's so then conincidentally we give them money and they don't have to RV and the American people keep going more into economic depression because money keeps being printed and sent out in pallets and the American people are not getting any of it. We are paying for this charade. The Muslims are not terrorizing us they are raping us.

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So right...

Freakin' enigma this whole thing...