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jeepguy, Your thoughts make good sense and what you have observed is absolutely correct. Neither the governments of the US, nor Iraq have shown much in the way of responsibility. But I DO believe that the DOLLAR COST for the War on Terror was known to be TERRIBLE, way back when. I also know that before even the 1st Gulf War we knew of the great wealth that lay beneath the ground in Iraq. Figuring to "LATCH" onto that untapped wealth as a means of "recouping" some or even ALL of our financial outlay for the War and beyond was NOT ignored by our then president. What has been, is now, and will CONTINUE to be impossible to control is the irresponsibility, unstability, graft and corruption and outright lies both of the Iraqi parliment and the Congress and Administration of the United States. What is "truth" about any supposed RV in the present circumstances and what is "honorable" coming from either the Iraqi government OR the administration(s) of the United States are BOTH fiction and jokes. You are probably right in your observations.

If others may offer an opinion, it seems that the whole of things here may finally be making some sense to me. The RV is "HOSTAGE" to the unrelenting and uncompromising demands of the NCA, just as the otherwise NEVER BEFORE MANNED national Monuments, parks and open-air sites are now being held HOSTAGE from our people with never-before needed BARRACADES and now even paid GUARDS to keep people out of the WW-II exhibit and even the Washington Mall (EXCEPT for the Illegal Immigrant Marchers) and all the other Federal Public areas. IT'S ALL THE REPUBLICANS' FAULT! While the US is the "LEAD NATION" for this RV Release, it must be done HERE as the release call for all the world. But when Military Chaplains are FORBIDDEN to hold Communion under threat of ARREST, and the Death Benefits for our dead military are being INTENTIONALLY and ARTIFICIALLY held-hostage in order to bring FURIOUS and FALSE national pressure upon the Republicans in Congress who are holding-out, we draw CLOSER to the "magic date" of October 17. IF the House Republicans can be brow-beaten into "caving-in" after being blamed for everything from creating measels to the loss of sales of the Boeing 787 to the Airbus A-350 to the two major the Japanese airlines, then the Administration will receive a true "WIN-WIN." 1st, the Republican Party will clearly lose the leadership of the House in 2014, and continue to be only a small portion of the Senate. In that event, Mr. Obama will have a CLEAR and UNOBSTRUSTED ROAD to complete his agenda during the final 2 years of his last term, and will leave an unchallanged guarantee of victory for the next presidential election to Hillarious Clinton, in accordance with the agreement made between them during Mr. Obama's first Primary. BUT. . .if the Republicans manage to HOLD-OUT, and the 17th approaches, Mr. Obama will have NO CHOICE but to release the call for the RV, and "SAVE-THE-DAY" to be called "OUR SAVING HERO!" However, if for some reason, the infrastructure of his administration is too uncoordinated and unskilled to get it done QUICKLY, and he waits TOO CLOSE to the 17th, it will go PAST THAT DATE, and I suspect the "torch" will be taken-away from the US and passed to the UK by the IMF. When the Credit Rating of the US falls under the DEFAULT which will occur after the 17th, the UK is the "NEXT-IN-LINE." The rate would be MUCH LESS, but still better than a poke in the eye to Dinar holders around the globe. And the Democratic agenda "house-of-cards" will begin to fall-apart in the Administration, and the BAIL-OUT will resemble the sinking of the Carnival ship on the rocks off the Italian coast! Like rats leaving a sinking ship, the leaders will "bail." Even ABC, NBC and CNN will be forced to acknowledge the truth published by others (like BBC) and act "SURPRISED" at the revelation that there was such CORRUPTION in the whole Democratic Party. This will leave the young and naive followers to hold the responsibility while the Kerrys, Bidens and Clintons jump into the first lifeboats and decide to "LEAVE PUBLIC OFFICE" in favor of the paid public speaking tours that will keep them well-fed while our whole nation suffers from another recession. SO. . .my take is this: The RV will happen. It will happen because of one of two reasons: #1. The beleagured and wrongly-blamed Republicans of the House finally CAVE-IN under the relentless LIE being blamed on them for everything from bad breath to a poor snow season in the Rockies, and the president will have his WIN-WIN, or. . . #2. The Republicans somehow manage to WEATHER the onslought of lies against them, and the 17th will approach with the threatened collapse of the Administration's House-of-Cards and the RV release would PASS to another, and our NCA would NEVER allow someone else to take credit for this RV, so he will PUSH for it at the VERY LAST MOMENT, and like Mighty Mouse, he can be said to SAVE THE DAY! I offer this scenerio only as my slowly dawning understanding that no one in our government is to be trusted. Please do not accuse me of "GURU'ing." If that is someone's temptation, I beg the Mods to REMOVE this post.

Just checked with Tony's "alphabet" agencies and they have confirmed EVERYTHING Tony said, but slightly IMPROVED upon Tony's post. The CSA (Cub Scouts of America) and the MMC (Mickey Mouse Club) have said the RV happened 3 weeks ago, but will be released on the birthday of Goofy. The REALLY Big agency corrected the RATE to $56.09 per Dinar. However, every holder of Vietnamese currency has been told to tightly HOLD their dong! This was confirmed by Tony's contacts at the SPCA (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) and the three major bank officers for the Bank of Vietnam: Mr. Wun Hong Lo, Mr. Wot Wint Wong and the senior banking officer, Mr. Ho Lee Sheet. All of Wells Fargo employees have been ordered to come-in to work at 2 AM for the next 6 weeks, except on Sunday, when they will report TWICE: once at 4 AM and again at 10 PM. Chase and CitiBank employees have already been called-in at 2 AM every day since September 30th and are there RIGHT NOW to serve you. 275 new operators have been hired to man phone centers located principally at the Pizza Huts in all major cities, where they will be disguised from the "Black Hats" who won't know where to find them. Yep! Thank you TNT Tony! So glad you have all this information for us.

You got it correct EXCEPT the misspelling. Just a slip, I know. The word is spelled, "RUINED," not runned.

Let's see- - - - If memory serves, wasn't it Popeye's friend, Whimpy who used to say, "If you will loan me the money for a hamburger TODAY. . .I'll GLADLY pay you back on Tuesday."??? Tony has made this thing go absolutely VIRAL, guys. Time for everybody to BACK-OFF and regain your balance. There have been NO Wells Fargo banks starting to tell customers anything about about "cashing-in." There have been NO LOCKDOWNS or RECALLS of bank employees. There is NO such THING as "IQN" or "VNN" and anyone can quietly ask the Currency Exchange head Teller for your bank, Wells Fargo, Chase, CitiBank, B. of A. or 5th 3rd, and they will QUICKLY show you and TELL you there IS NO SUCH THING! Not last Thursday. . .not for next Tuesday. . .NOT AT ALL. But I know the bankers are all growing VERY TIRED of all this fake "HOOP-LA." My Private Banker and I met for lunch away from the bank to go over a large transaction and he brought it up. He said the senior management of his National banking system has just about "HAD IT" with all the untruthful crap being spread around this past week and they are CLOSE to taking legal action to put it to a STOP! Tony and his "COPYCLOWNS" who take his drivel and spread it after FIRST adding their own "lucious" extra tidbits, have turned THOUSANDS of Dinarians into an embarrasement. The credibility for ANY of us in front of our bankers has been pretty much TRASHED because of this GARBAGE being passed around and REPEATEDLY posted and RE-POSTED on blogs like this one!! He has done the SAME THING as walk into a crowded movie theater (just like the one in Colorado) and shouted, "GUN- - -GUN- - -GUN!!" Anyone here think THAT'S funny? Anyone here think THAT's simply someone starting a "RUMOR"??? What about managers of the OTHER theaters in the area then REPEATING the FAKE words of the damaging LIE? THINK about it Mods!!! Are you going to be labled as part of the PROBLEM or are you going to credited with being part of the SOLUTION here? You CANNOT be neutral on this, MODS! You WILL be judged as ONE or the OTHER! Calling this RV as having ALREADY HAPPENED DAY-after-DAY-after-DAY and then REPEATING this whole dung-pile of garbage EACH DAY here, WORD-FOR-WORD only exaserbates the damage he is doing all over the Internet. It's well past time you stood up and acted with responsibility instead of saying, "wow. . .just look what this has done for our circulation!"

What have Tony Renfrow and Joseph Goebbels both proven to be TRUE as a fact of human nature? If you tell a LIE long enough, and REPEAT it often enough, the sheep will all start to BELIEVE it! Goebbels did it for Hitler, while Tony is doing it for himself and his own political posturing. But BOTH are treacherous, inhuman and hurtful liars. The Jews did NOT cause the woes of Post WW-I Germany, and Tony's multiply-announced RV has not happened IN-COUNTRY, Out of country or ANYWHERE ELSE. It will happen when it happens. When it DOES Tony's "multiple 3-Letter Agencies" will turn out to be comic strip characters.

Pa-LEEZE! If not by November 31, than how about October 43rd?

SO MANY people here at DV have OBJECTED so many times about the Mods ALLOWING things they KNOW to be INTENTIONALLY made-up lies to be posted here and they have repeatedly JUST IGNORED the pleas! Lies are NOT "RUMORS." Lies cause heartache and hurt to the innocent and ESPECIALLY to the new members of DV! Adam has posted in his chat his own views of TNT Tony's absolute GARBAGE. But since the Mods won't edit-out the reposting of garbage KNOWN to be lies and drivel from KNOWN LIARS, and won't even add a DIFFERENT section, and label it, "POSTED FROM IDIOTS KNOWN TO BE LIARS," perhaps it has come time to BOYCOTT DV until and unless the Mods CLEAN UP THEIR SITE!

TNT Tony is STILL blabbing his trash-mouth balogney??? He doesn't STOP! Pa-a-lease! MERCY. . .Leave off all the TONY crap for JUST TWO DAYS of peace!! P-L-E-A-S-E.

With the COMBINED ENTIRE WORLD'S WDP equal to $71.83 TRILLION U.S. Dollars (Ref: The Wikipedia Encyclopedia). . .just add up what these IDIOTS are saying: With MORE THAN 3 Trillion KNOWN IQD x $25.87 (what they are saying is the RV Rate) = $77.61 TRILLION U.S. Dollars! That is about SIX TRILLION more than the COMBINED GDP of the WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD of ALL Countries COMBINED!!!! Does ANYBODY here actually think that the little country of Iraq, even if it had 900 TIMES it's estimated oil reserves, believe that it can INSTANTLY (excuse me. . .I mean within 30-days), produce and support MORE than the ENTIRE WORLD's combined GDP? For those who BELIEVE Tony and Okie and Jester and the Mountain Nannie. . .I have some mountain top snow ski property in Florida I'd like to sell you! C'mon people. . .GET REAL.

keepmwlkmfny -- You are 100% RIGHT ON THE MONEY! As of yesterday (Saturday), there is NO new currency code. IQD is the ONLY reference for Iraqi currency, according to the HEAD FOREIGN CURRENCY manager at the REGIONAL HEADQUARTERS for Wells Fargo, and as CONFIRMED in their oficial book and on their computers.. There is NO SUCH THING as IQN! There are NO NEW RATES on any BANK SCREENS, and the IQD hasn't revalued either in Iraq OR anywhere else. The two larger contract companies I talk to doing major workk in Iraq (one is US and the other is Brit), are being paid 100% in DOLLARS and as of LAST NIGHT, NOT ONE FARTHING is being paid in Dinars, which the contractors STILL convert at 1166:1 It doesn't take ROCKET SURGERY any longer to "check-up" on the garbage being thrown all over thye street by Tony! The guy is ONE HUGE SICK-O.

LET'S HOLD a CONTEST! The cut-off is Monday at 6:00pm EDT. Who can guess the EXACT excuse that Tony will use on Tuesday to "explain" why NOTHING he has been hyping since Thursday has occurred? All entries will be recorded and the WINNER announced with Tony's Tuesday evening whine.

Hey! Tony's UPSET! Several someones on his own blog called him a LIAR! Now why would ANYONE want to go and do that?

After Tony and Mountainnanny made all their OFF-THE-CHART wild claims from last Thursday onwards (i.e. $25.87 per dinar; all these "non-existant" bank workes being "called-in" at all hours; how that now "EVEN Obama" has signed-off on "IT"; and it's "DONE, DONE, DONE), they would be TERRIBLY hard-pressed to come up with a BIG ENOUGH excuse next week when everything is STILL unchanged! In the "old days", after Okie dropped one of his dementia-induced bombs, all he had for excuses the next day when it was shown to be pure fabrication, was, "IT WAS SUNSPOTS," . . .or "I WAS HACKED." But Tony and Mountainnanny have the PERFECT world-class excuse READY and WAITING, if they can JUST find TEMPORARY delaying excuses to get them past MONDAY! The October 1st government SHUT DOWN! The PERFECT EXCUSE!!! But what will they DO if the Republican House "caves-in" on Monday and allows the ceiling to be raised? All this ready-made "EXCUSE-of-the-YEAR" will have been LOST and they will have to fall back on "SUNSPOTS>" Not at ALL in their league to use sunspots! That is in the "older" generation of SCAMMERS, for the Okies of the Internet. These guys are HI-TECH SCAMMERS. Much better to use the October 1st shut-down for their TOTALLY PLAUSABLE excuse why all their REDICULOUS rantings didn't happen. Ah Yes! After awhile you can read their scripts before they even WRITE them, themselves! C'mon Tony! P-L-E-A-S-E, Mountain goat. Use SOMETHING besides the October 1st government shutdown next week for your excuse when your rantings don't happen. See if you can't be REALLY creative. After all, , ,you are the NEW and IMPROVED version of everything Okie WANTED to be!

Ghost352 - The way to tell the difference between a RUMOR and a LIE is eventually not too difficult. When the SAME person posts intentionally wrong and misleading things more than 200 times and they are ALWAYS REDICULOUS, LUDICROUS and OUTRAGEOUS, way-out-in-left-field exaggerations ( i.e. $25 dollar exchange rates. . .and ALL THE BANKS have had their people "called-in". . .and BE SURE TO CALL IT IQN and not IQD. . .and it is on ALL the tellers', screens, except none of the tellers can SEE it, etc, etc.), and usually within 24-hours we learn that not ONLY was ALL of it dead WRONG, but there was NEVER any basis of fact behind ANYTHING they said. . . .that person SAYING it over 200 times can then SAFELY be labeled as a certifiable LIAR. NOT someone passing just a rumor! When something is posted by a person and maybe REPEATED by someone 2 or 3 times. . .then it MIGHT be a rumor. But RUMORS are NOT lies and lies are NOT rumors! TONY TNT is NOT even in the "SHADED" or questionable area! His posts are offensive, hurtful, intentionally misleading ALWAYS WRONG and NOT DONE by accident or simply by MISTAKE! They are out-and-out intentional lies intended to deceive, hype and hurt people. Does that make a little easier to differentiate between what is a LIE and what is a rumor?

ABSOLUTELY correct, Dinar_o'saurs! RIGHT ON THE MONEY! But Adam and his mods are too "polite" to call it a "lie" section. It should be polite and politically "correct." Call it instead, the "FAIRYTAIL" section.

eburt, good friend, The REASON so many get upset is because these posted pieces of crap are decidedly NOT rumors! They are maliciously and thoughtlessly MADE UP LIES! There is a VERY distinct DIFFERENCE between a RUMOR and a made-up and intentional LIE! SO MANY members of DV have tried to explain this a hundred times over, but it seems not to get through! Some still think there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between a rumor and an intentional lie! Rumors are rumors. . . .and lies are lies. They are NOT the same thing! THAT is why so many get upset when this crap is posted here. If it were only 15 or 20 times that such OUTLANDISH and allways proven afterwards to be WRONG and without basis that someone posted such crap. . .perhaps it might still be considered as "RUMOR" by some of those slower to catch-on. But after SO MANY of the SAME KIND of hype and wild-tale, made-up crap claims are posted, eventually it is VERY CLEAR to even the SLOWEST of people that these criminals do NOT post RUMORS! They only and ALWAYS post made-up lies which ALWAYS prove to be without any substance or basis and always cause emotional trauma. When they are always and ONLY lies. . .NOBODY could ever still even SUGGEST that they should be called RUMORS! And they DON'T belong in the RUMOR section of this or any OTHER blog! Rumors go in the rumor section. Now, does that explain it clearly enough why so many get upset?

Actually, he forgot to add. . . It will happen on Monday thru Sunday, or some OTHER day of the week. WOW! Billo0, my hat is off to you! GREAT WORD! +++++ to you. And to think this came out of ROSWELL, home of the Chew Din? I think the "correct" terminology is: "IN THE COMING DAYS." "

It is well beyond the time to start PULLING THE PLUG on these "HYPESTERS." The current hype is that everybody at all the banks were "BEING CALLED IN" and that the "NUMBERS REMAIN IN DOUBLE DIGITS." "EVERYBODY BE SURE TO CALL IT 'IQN' and 'VNN" instead of NOT 'IQD!' or VND". Well GUESS WHAT folks! NOBODY at three major REGIONAL banks of WF has been called ANYWHERE. . .much less has anyone been "CALLED-IN." No one at major ANY CHASE banks have been "CALLED IN," nor does ANYONE at any of these banks that we have quietly inquired about by HEAVY DUTY and LONG-TIME, WELL TRUSTED depositors, know ANYTHING about supposedly anyone being "CALLED-IN." The OFFICIAL CBI rate has NOT FLUXUATED even by one penny, and NOBODY at ANY bank knows ANYTHING about any of the most current garbage being plowed into your ears by these hypesters! It is WELL PAST the time when these grossly misleading hypesters had their plugs pulled!

That was a great movie.

okane, You know perfectly well what BOTH of those terms are.

Thug. . .I need to apologize for not being on the lighter side well before this. I have taken these proceedings far too seriously - especially during the last 8 - 9 months when so many people who have no ROOM to have risked their money have done so, anyway. I am guilty of taking-on their hurt and frustration with bad intel and worse intrepretation of that intel. I have been especially hard on Frank26. He does not deserve the abusive venom I have thrown his way. That's all. Thanks, Thug. . .I am now going a different direction. It is actually harmful for people to become angry over this revaluation nightmare. There are too many other things in life that need to be done before there is no time left to do them.

Jumping the gun a little before the THUG posts it. . .H-E-e-e-r's OKIE and his NEWEST replacement for, I'VE BEEN HACKED 9-10-13: 10-2013 Guru Okie-Oil-Man I AM CURRENTLY TRYING TO VERIFY INFORMATION THAT STATED THE I.M.F. FILED AN INJUNCTION AGAINST THE U.S.GOV OVER THE STOPPAGE OF THE R/V--I AM TREATING THIS AS A RUMOR UNTIL I GET CONFIRMATION FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES. THIS IF TRUE COULD BE THE CATALYST WE WANT TO GET THIS OVER WITH--WILL REPORT WHEN I CAN EITHER VERIFY OR DEBUNK THIS INFORMATION. IF AN INJUNCTION WAS IN ACTUALITY FILED, THIS WOULD EXPEDITE THE COMPLETION WITHOUT FURTHER DELAYS IMF seeking an INJUNCTION?? REALLY?? There HAD to be some way the "Jed Clampet" of the Internet could blame for his rantings of what (PAST TENSE) had happened, but the dawn showed clearly that (as usual) he was FULL of it!

Indeed.

Sarg. You've got a good handle on the Verizon problem. Unfortunately Verizon wasn't and ISN'T the only "sell-out." But they may indeed BE THE WORST cop-out of their customers' proprietary and private matters. What a shame. Kind of looks like George Orwell just misses it by 2-1/2 decades. Instead of 1984, it is 2012, 2013 and no telling HOW WORSE next year. ALL in the name of "protecting YOU," of course. Seems that I served once to help guarantee the protection of our rights against unreasonable search. Oh well. . .WHO's listening anymore? So long as people don't have their trips to STARBUCKS interrupted, and they swallow the koolaid that reading everybody's mail - even our most private mail - is SOMEHOW making us safer, the NSA and the other agencies can "justify" their claim for need of a GREATER, LARGER budget. I'm reminded that despite our new and "enlightened" era of CO-OPERATION between agencies, that they all STILL sing the Kennel Ration song: "MY DOG'S BIGGER THAN YOUR DOG. MY DOG'S BIGGER THAN YOURS. . . .etc." Make NO MISTAKE about it, it is even WORSE with a smartphone! I am about to RETURN to a BASIC cell phone of the "THROW-AWAY" kind and changing the SIM Card every week and restrict my writing back to the OLD FASHIONED way and making use of the OCCASIONAL FAX by encrypted FAX machine, using one-time cypher for the letter. Otherwise, just like George Orwell said, "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING/LISTENING TO YOU!" Discussing this issue of "SELLING-OUT" their customers for MONEY with AT&T, Sprint and Verizon, the REGIONAL-level managers and below claim NO KNOWLEDGE of such a thing and that they would NEVER do such a thing upon Americans! RIGHT- - -and no American could POSSIBLY be effected by Obama striking Syria, RIGHT? Some good people are WORKING on the development of a reasonably effective anti-NSA, anti-spy software but that which is EFFECTIVE today, they break within MONTHS because WE FUND THEM LIMITLESSLY to do JUST THAT. DEFUNDING NSA and the other Constitution-offending agencies is our only hope for getting back control over our government but I am SERIOUSLY afraid even THAT won't stop the problem now. They are being funded by so many "black," non-congressionally-approved, Non-appropriated fund "earning" activities and programs, that NSA (and CIA comes CLOSE) will soon have sufficient self-provided funds that they don't NEED congressional money any more! Perhaps Edward Snowden DID do a service, after all! Yes. . .he dangerously EXPOSED some of our people, but he FOREVER OPENED THE EYES to all US Citizens that our government cannot be TRUSTED or believed in what they SAY! Our RELATIONSHIP has changed fundamentally. We no longer have an UNCLE! He is NOW. . . .FATHER SAM! Everything you write on the Internet or say in a phone call now is scanned, people. You absolutely CANNOT believe this is JUST for foreigners interfacing with Americans. You may not be SAYING anything bad or evil or illegal. . .but THAT isn't the issue. In a "take-off" from a great American Patriot, I may disagree with what you SAY, sir. . . .but I will defend to the death your right to SAY it (and do so PRIVATELY)."