[Do You Really Really Still Believe In A Huge RV at This Point Seven Years Later?]

Well, it's Thursday, and I only heard from about five DV members on their deep down true beliefs about this RV thing.  That isn't very many posts.  Either nobody reads the lobster pit anymore ( could be true) or its  a dumb question I asked ( may be true), or dinarians are reluctant to discuss their thoughts for fear of being ostracized  ( probably true).  Come on, most of you have been in this thing for YEARS.  Things over there have changed dramatically in the last four years.  Those factors have had a significant impact on the fiscal solvency of the CBI and it's ability to make any kind of ambitious move with the dinar value.  These negative factors have got to have had a sobering  effect on your thinking about this.  Where do you all stand?

[Do You Really Really Still Believe In A Huge RV at This Point Seven Years Later?]

Well, I started this thread to try and gin  up some interesting debate.  Seems like other than caz, shabs, and me,  nobodys  home today.  Probably all out working.  That's good.  I need lots of you folks working to keep my social security checks coming in on time.  Maybe after work people will click on this marvelous thread I've started, and give their two cents worth.  Maybe not.  I have been wrong before.............like back in 2012.

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Well, I got into it to make a killing, as was virtually promised by everybody touting   the huge RV.  I don't think anyone back in 2011 was buying dinar to make a marginal profit of say 10% increase.  We were all chasing the dream of a 100,000% Rv, going from 1162,  to 1 to 1.  Now that that is , shall we say, "diminished" in luster, do people still believe in making huge gains or only say 10% over the next several years?  

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My topic for today's debate is honest.  It is not meant to anger, frustrate, or humiliate anyone.  I do not want to be gnawed on, ridiculed, spit at, or slammed as a "lobster".  I am simply asking for posters  to reflect inwardly, and give me their honest beliefs.  Everyone is different on the sliding scale of this possibility of becoming an overnight millionaire.  Six years ago, I was convinced it would "pop" any day.  Now, I have sold off 75% of my dinar because of changes in that belief.  We are all different.  We will have "newbies" who will have just got into this thing.  They will sound like me six years ago.  And we will have "veterans" who have weathered the avalanche  of guru lies and RV calls for 6-7 long empty years and through their own information searches have become quite skeptical,  but still hold on.  Please be polite in your responses.  I'm looking for truth not punishment.  Hopefully that will leave out certain posters who love to ridicule.  Everyone's answer is good for them.  Noone 's answer is bad.  This should be an interesting cross section of the dinarian community's beliefs.  I am asking that the "pitbulls " on both sides of this question refain from hijacking the thread with stupid insults.  P.S. When you give your position please give an explaination for the position you're taking.  You already know where I stand if you visit the "pot".  Let's hear it, dinarians. 

[Where has the interest gone?]

Now FR, don't pick on caz's dietary habits.  We all know why caz does what he does.  I'm quite sure there's a profit margin in there somewhere.  He's just too hostile of any contrary philosophy.  If you aren't following in single file chanting "Go RV",  then ole  Caz must (by contract probably) step in and belittle, criticize,  and ridicule that poor fella.  It's all part of keeping the dinar money flowing.  But there's no secret to this.  We've  known caz was probably employed to some degree in the business.  It ain't against the law, I guess, but it is underhanded, in my opinion of course.

[Iraq GDP down 2.1 pct in 2015, reserves drop to $54 bln -IMF]

The CBI simply cannot redeem 35 Trillion out of country dinar at any revalue amount.  They cannot do this, and they will not do this.  I think the CBI is quite willing, however, to maintain the peg at or near 1182 for as long as possible.  It maintains some regularity in the marketplace and it keeps the people from rioting.  Maintaining a healthy dose of dollars in the hands of iraqis is also calming.  I am afraid that the majority of out of country dinar holders will see Jesus face to face way before there is any kind  of RV.  The dinar "speculation craze" of 2011 will go down in history as a near perfect storm of intriguing theory, mixed with small doses of real monetary facts, and then liberally coated, boxed and sold to a public that had no earthly idea how the world financial system actually works. I was one of those.  I am unusual in the fact that I admit it.  Remember the old saying, "the emperor wears no clothes".  It applies to us dinar speculators.

[Where has the interest gone?]

I'm afraid to ask what you think they're worth.  Whatever it is I 'm sure that you have bullt in your shill-like commission fee. Buying dinar at this moment in time  would be the equivalent to playing Russian roulette with only one EMPTY chamber. Virtually a sure bet to lose your money.  It's nasty over there no matter what the shills want us to believe in their daily dosing of RV pablum.  People are selling right and left.  I will probably be the last man on the titanic, but that's because I've already sold 75%  of mine so I feel okay now.  If I was holding 10-50 million dinar right now, I 'd be sick to my stomach everyday. Unless that is, I was Trump, and had 10 billion good old US dollars in the bank. Here's a new dinar mantra:  "Reduce your exposure, and see how good it feels".   I'm making a killing off of that bumper sticker slogan.

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Caz, If you check back about three months ago, you very clearly said you'd buy my remaining  dinar.  Once a welcher  always a welcher.  Besides, I don't  put dinars in the mail.  My buddy did and he can't get them back from blaino.  I'm quite sure if I mailed mine to you I could pretty much ķiss them goodbye.  As a shill-like individual,  you have no credibility, except to your boss, of course.  You have done an excellent job keeping the flock marching into the sunset of "where's that RV?" mantra.  Yep, your boss should be very satisfied with your job performance.

[Iraq GDP down 2.1 pct in 2015, reserves drop to $54 bln -IMF]

What would caz do without pampers?   He'd have to flee the country!  

[Iraq GDP down 2.1 pct in 2015, reserves drop to $54 bln -IMF]

So.........what's the point being made here?   We know the reserves are way down, we know the IMF has extended "life ring " loans to Baghdad, we know the market value of the dinar is in the mid 1200's, and we know the CBI officially inflated the dinar peg to 1182 from 1166.  That's the wrong way, folks.  And we know the M2 is around 85 TRILLION dinar.  And please people, when you read the CBI charts, please remember that the numbers  listed in millions, such as out of country dinars at 35 million, have a  multiplier  is in parentheses  (millions).  That means you have to  multiply the number given by a factor of 1,000,000.  That gives you TRILLIONS.  Iraq has some 85 TRILLION dinar in all accountable forms, out there.  And every one carries the same value.  Any revalue, devalue or reinstatement of the dinar affects all 85 TRILLION dinars exactly the same.  That's the facts, folks.

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I have to Agee with you, Rock.  I am not optimistic about making any gains on the dinar.  In fact, based on my friend's experience with trying to get his dinars back from blaino's another site  ( which he hasn't been able to), I am fearing a total bust on this thing.  The dinar may not be a scam, but everything about it, all the hype, all the lies, all the mistruths, all the pumpers and shill-like people pumping for dinar sellers, ARE the scam.  800 numbers, NDA's,  plans like blaino's which promise higher returns, all the WF stories, gurus in jail, gurus in Bavaria (gag), gurus pumping for dinar websites, they are all built on a complete impossibility.  So why do I still hold 1.5  mil?  Pure stubborness on my part.  Plus caz promised to buy them from me for $900 a mil. 

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Stay in the fight, Shabs.  As the old saying goes, "God made whiskey to keep the Irish from ruling the world".  

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Kevin, shab's reference to Black Velvet is his way of daily reminding himself to stay away from whiskey, which he has probably had to battle earlier in his life.  I respect shabs tremendously for that.  Shows character.  Yes, shabs and caz are the quintessential pit bulls of the DV site, especially in the lobster pit.  I don't think either of them ACTUALLY believe in the big 2011 millionaire making 100,000% overnight, e-mail ringing RV baloney that sucked so many millions of us into this thing.  Both shabs and caz are pragmatic on that point t.  So, for me, the great mystery is why they both continue to deride, ridicule, and name-call everyone, or anyone, who presents a valid alternative to the big scam of 2011.  They are both articulate and funny ( to a limited degree), and both have very little to present except sarcastic postings, so why do they do it.  They seem to feed off each other, and enjoy each others company, often posting together against any lobster posting.  So what's their angle?  Got me.  I have serious reservations about caz's motives, as he/she is the most shill-like of the two, and the most vitriolic.  There has been virtually no change in the tenor  of caz's anti-lobster postings for YEARS.  Shabs can be more entertaining, but remains firmly in the anti-lobster camp.  Peace to both of them.   Antietam.

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Tlar's  last sentence, in his rambling discourse, was all you have to know, because his last sentence is in gross error.  He said non-circulating dinar won't affect the value because only "circulating dinar in iraq" is important.  Wrong answer, amigo.   ALL dinar, circulating, non-circulating ( stuffed in your sock drawer), electronic (Warka, ISX), or in any other form, ALL count towards a revalue consideration by the CBI..  The CBI is responsible for ALL dinar, no matter where or how they are constituted.  This is why there is a great false teaching about this by the gurus.  They know that a revalue will affect every dinar EXACTLY THE SAME.  It is also why I believe the CBI, if they ever do change the dinar rate, will do it through a complete redenomination, and will not honor bills held outside the sovereign borders of iraq.  Just like they did in 2003. Now I hope I'M  wrong about this, because I'd hate to flush my last 1.5 mil, but I trust NOBODY in the government of iraq.  They are all corrupt, and bribes are just part of life over there.  They see out of country speculators holding their currency as a LIABILITY to the CBI.  We could get erased with a simple in-house exchange.  And please don't believe the malarkey  spewed out there that they would never do that because it would reflect negatively on them.  What a laugh that is.  We don't matter to them.  Period.

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In my case, it made it unfortunate.  In your case, caz, I'm quite sure it has brought a financial windfall.

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Well spoke, Newyorkkevin.  Although we both would like to see a revalue of the dinar,  we have differences in our interpretation of how it can come about.  I see only one pathway to revalue and that is through geopolitical stability of iraq.  Even if oil goes up, the presence of a foreign entity ( ISIS),  commanding 1/3  of your sovereign territory, places a severe dampening effect on the confidence placed in a nation's currency.  You also have the very real prospect of the Kurds declaring independence, removing a substantial oil quantity from the coffers of Baghdad.  That is why I reduced my exposure by 75% and it felt GOOD doing it.  Even though I lost money, I SAVED my money from complete stagnation over the last six years.  Keep in mind I only had 5 thousand dollars invested.  But as a middle class American, 5 grand was a lot of money to take from savings to buy dinar back in 2012.  I have learned valuable lessons in controlling emotional buy-in before actually investing.  It's a lesson that extends into all investments strategies, not just the dinar.  

[Iraq GDP down 2.1 pct in 2015, reserves drop to $54 bln -IMF]

This is just another FACT about the fiscal jeopardy  that the CBI is in.  Of course none of this will make any difference to the true believer in the big RV.  Not even six years of no RV despite millions of "pro-rv" guru postings have made a dent in the true believers.  They will cling to the hope of becoming a millionaire until the end of time.  But to the 75% of the dinar community  that can actually re-evaluate their investment strategies, it might.  So why don't I sell off my 1.5 mil?  Maybe I have already.  Caz should know.  Remember she promised to buy my remaining dinar for $900 per mil.  Thanks again sweetie.

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You should know all about BS, caz, as you are the chief spouter  of it down here in the realistic thinkers section.  But I am quite sure that your persistent railings  against free thinkers down here  has rewarded you handsomely in the shill-like hall of fame .  Go cash your check.  You're the only one making money on the dinar, now aren't you?

[Where has the interest gone?]

Well boys and girls, I think there is one thing we can all agree on, and that is the fact that since the fervor of 2011, nothing, and I mean NOTHING has happened in any way positive to the value of the dinar.  Can we all agree on that?  If you look up the value of the dinar in  2011 and compare it to 2016, I think we can ALL agree that not one penny in profit has been made by anybody, except the pumpers of course.  Not one penny.  In fact, and it is FACT, our dinar are actually worth LESS than when we bought them.  Anybody disagree with that?  Good.  Now we can resume the endless arguing that goes on in the lobster pit over trivialities.  

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Oh my goodness, caz.  I think your last bulb has just burned out.  I will assume that your story is completely fabricated as a spoof.  If it was, then cudos  to your almost non-existent imagination.  But if it is true, then I must ask why you are not taking better care of your grandmother!

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Sorry, gals.  The dinar don't gotta do anything.  Even the best intentions often get turned belly up.  For old Sarge, his good intentions will be rewarded by our gracious God, and not because of some third world currency which was a long shot to begin with and has gotten far worse.  Do what you think best in regards to Sarge's wishes, but I would advise not holding on until it goes belly up.  That doesn't help Sarge's legacy and it sure don't help you.  Just my opinion.

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You should know, caz.  You being the King of  shill-like characters and all.  You've been disparaging free thinkers for so long  not even you can remember them all.  But we will all remember the Caz.  Probably run into you down the road selling dong to the gullies.   

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Running true to form, caz.  Go collect your chèck.  You earned it.  I am a little surprised at shabs, however, as his disparaging comments about newyorkkevin  is unlike him.  Maybe shabs doesn't like. or respect kevin.  Maybe I missed a dispute between them some time in the past.  Hey Kevin  how do you feel about caz and Shabs essentially saying you are a fool to respond the way you did to my post?  Guard dogs get paid.  Just remember that.  Follow the money and find the fat man.  Actually my thread is on the up and up.  If you watch the posting dates upstairs you will notice a substantial drop in interest in this speculation.  The lobster pot is always active,  but very little interest upstairs.  Makes  me wonder.  And by the way caz, I  ever said I scammed my family members into buying dinar.  Actually, it was them and others that convinced me to not be "left behjnd".  Noone scammed me, except maybe the gurus.    My family and friends were just wrong.  Many have sold out already.  So get your facts right Caz, before you flap your lips.   You have no credibility.    Go sell some dongs to shabs.  Split the commission with him.

 

 

 

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Well, it's good to hear that LGD and you, Kevin, are still with us.  I got into this speculation because I didn't want to be the foolish one who got "left out" of becoming a millionaire overnight by not buying dinar.  That, and of course, greed, plain and simple. And now,  I certainly don't want to be the "last man standing" if and when this speculation folds up and the dinar I'm holding become worthless.  Then I WOULD feel foolish.  So when prominent posters quietly ease away from the site, well, you know how it is, I get nervous.  I realize that my measly little 1.5 mil isn't going to break my bank if it becomes demonitized,  but it's the IDEA of the thing, if you know what I mean.  Nobody likes the feeling that he or she got shafted.  That's why I sold 75% of my holdings months ago.  I was beginning to have that feeling.  Then I noticed that, other than the shill-like posters, who guard dog the site, there was a huge absence in many of the old tried and true dinarians.  Ever read the book "Left Behind"?  It was sort of like that.   But now I feel better that more dinarians are responding to this thread, but it's not enough.  Not near enough.  So like I said, " Where's the interest out there."

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Now we're cooking!  I got not one, but TWO snowglobe cat videos!  Both of my pit bulls answered, Hey caz , Hey shabs!  But I'm beginning to think that it's just us left.  Including Tex, that means there's only four dinar holders left in the world!  Even my beloved DinarBeliever over there in England must have quietly sold out.  Haven't heard from him in  quite a while.  EVEN New York Kevin has disappeared.   He must have realized that Warka wasn't ever gonna  give him his money back.  M buddy STILL hasn't gotten his dinars back from blaino!  What a world we live in.  Can't trust anyone anymore.  So where do we speculate now?    Dongs anyone?