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Went into WF to open my personal account back up(closed it 2 years ago when I moved). It is a local branch with maybe 5 bankers. Anyways,, I thought while I was there I would ask about their MCA for businesses, as well as restrictions on amount of deposits of foreign currency at time(waiting period, etc.). No surprise, they banker had no Idea about MCA's or foreign currency transactions. so she called up and asked their headquarters. The lady she called had no answer either so asked her boss.(sorry trying to make this short). they didn't even have an answer . They did say that I would need to contact a certain person who specifically handles these, but did not know how to get ahold of them. (can't remember the name of the banker they said). Also she said their would not be a waiting period on transacting currency more than a few hours. (again, don't know if that's true) Long story short she did say she would look into it for me and get back to me with the information, but she did say she knew it was for businesses only(again, she didn't know a whole lot, but she sounded sure about that) at the end I asked if she could check on a currency for me the Iraq dinar. I wanted to see if it was purchasable through them. (I knew it wasn't, but here's to hoping!) She said she has heard of it and she pulled her program up and showed me the computer, and allowed me to scroll through the currencies and their rates. There was only about 10 currencies and the IQD was not one of them. She said this was the only currency programs she knew of. I know this post is rediculiously boring, but I figured I'd share what I learned(or didn't). I know it won't be long before this thing goes through, but I can tell you on my local level, and even above, nobody had a clue. not to discredit any bank stories Iv'e heard, but I didn't have one like that. I believe some of the bank stories are real, but I was clearly talking to an entire branch that had no clue The dinar will go through sooner rather than later. have hope! but don't expect to have an amazing bank story

Most Definetely, I posted that yesterday on the dinar questions etc. found it very telling.....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-us-to-let-spy-agencies-scour-americans-finances-20130313,0,2719682.story Reuters 1:00 p.m. CDT, March 13, 2013 The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters. The proposed plan represents a major step by U.S. intelligence agencies to spot and track down terrorist networks and crime syndicates by bringing together financial databanks, criminal records and military intelligence. The plan, which legal experts say is permissible under U.S. law, is nonetheless likely to trigger intense criticism from privacy advocates. Financial institutions that operate in the United States are required by law to file reports of "suspicious customer activity," such as large money transfers or unusually structured bank accounts, to Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN). The Federal Bureau of Investigation already has full access to the database. However, intelligence agencies, such as the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency, currently have to make case-by-case requests for information to FinCEN. The Treasury plan would give spy agencies the ability to analyze more raw financial data than they have ever had before, helping them look for patterns that could reveal attack plots or criminal schemes. The planning document, dated March 4, shows that the proposal is still in its early stages of development, and it is not known when implementation might begin. Financial institutions file more than 15 million "suspicious activity reports" every year, according to Treasury. Banks, for instance, are required to report all personal cash transactions exceeding $10,000, as well as suspected incidents of money laundering, loan fraud, computer hacking or counterfeiting. "For these reports to be of value in detecting money laundering, they must be accessible to law enforcement, counter-terrorism agencies, financial regulators, and the intelligence community," said the Treasury planning document. A Treasury spokesperson said U.S. law permits FinCEN to share information with intelligence agencies to help detect and thwart threats to national security, provided they adhere to safeguards outlined in the Bank Secrecy Act. "Law enforcement and intelligence community members with access to this information are bound by these safeguards," the spokesperson said in a statement. Some privacy watchdogs expressed concern about the plan when Reuters outlined it to them. A move like the FinCEN proposal "raises concerns as to whether people could find their information in a file as a potential terrorist suspect without having the appropriate predicate for that and find themselves potentially falsely accused," said Sharon Bradford Franklin, senior counsel for the Rule of Law Program at the Constitution Project, a non-profit watchdog group. Despite these concerns, legal experts emphasize that this sharing of data is permissible under U.S. law. Specifically, banks' suspicious activity reporting requirements are dictated by a combination of the Bank Secrecy Act and the USA PATRIOT Act, which offer some privacy safeguards. National security experts also maintain that a robust system for sharing criminal, financial and intelligence data among agencies will improve their ability to identify those who plan attacks on the United States. "It's a war on money, war on corruption, on politically exposed persons, anti-money laundering, organized crime," said Amit Kumar, who advised the United Nations on Taliban sanctions and is a fellow at the Democratic think tank Center for National Policy. SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY The Treasury document outlines a proposal to link the FinCEN database with a computer network used by U.S. defense and law enforcement agencies to share classified information called the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System. The plan calls for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence - set up after 9/11 to foster greater collaboration among intelligence agencies - to work with Treasury. The Director of National Intelligence declined to comment. More than 25,000 financial firms - including banks, securities dealers, casinos, and money and wire transfer agencies - routinely file "suspicious activity reports" to FinCEN. The requirements for filing are so strict that banks often over-report, so they cannot be accused of failing to disclose activity that later proves questionable. This over-reporting raises the possibility that the financial details of ordinary citizens could wind up in the hands of spy agencies. Stephen Vladeck, a professor at American University's Washington College of Law, said privacy advocates have already been pushing back against the increased data-sharing activities between government agencies that followed the Sept. 11 attacks. "One of the real pushes from the civil liberties community has been to move away from collection restrictions on the front end and put more limits on what the government can do once it has the information," he said. _______________________________________________________________________________________ Just my thought. Are they getting enough people on board to handle all the suspicious activity the Dinar might bring when exchangable at a higher rate? "Financial institutions file more than 15 million "suspicious activity reports" every year, according to Treasury. Banks, for instance, are required to report all personal cash transactions exceeding $10,000, as well as suspected incidents of money laundering, loan fraud, computer hacking or counterfeiting. Maybe I am reading into this, but add a million or 2 "suspicious activity reports" in a short span would overrun the FBI. Big Brother might be securing his fair share by bringing in some help . haha this could have nothing to do with the Dinar, but I was looking for something like this pre RV/RI/float etc for a precursor. this may be it. Anyone else agree? or am I going crazy? Heres to hoping!

Maybe its the whole (Thousand) Billions thing that doesn't come over correctly when translated. Heres to hoping it's not. My thought is that it would be though, seeing as many people have thought the same thing with other articles(including me). But I would LOVE to stand corrected!

Your'e soo right.. can it happen... yesss.... What it's gonna take? people with backbone willing to stand up to this system with no funding from anybody but normal every day human beings that wake up to this nightmare and turn it in to a dream land. I have hope. LOL I wouldn't have bought dinar if I didn't have hope of a brighter future

Adam It reminds me of Republicans who redraw district lines to win elections they cannot win through fair play and debate on issues. For real? I by no means consider myself a republican or a democrat, but your comment made me laugh so hard I had to reply... I used to live in Maine and we are constantly getting redistricted by Democrats and Republicans(I'm sure this happens everywhere). only republicans? LOL for real, fair play and debate?? what do we debate nowadays? spending $1 trillion dollars more than we take in(Republicans) or $1.5 Trillion more(Democrats). really, is that what you want them to debate? Both sides of our government are completely sold out, so if you think talking about the same things every year is fair play and debate then nothing will ever get done. how about this for fair play and debate. Get both parties in washington to start a debate over the Petro Dollar and the abuse of it worldwide since the removal of the Gold Standard.The unconstitutionality of the Fed. Reserve (if you really want to fix our debt issue) and the I.R.S.(their police force). How about the debate over protecting our borders and dealing with the illegal immigrant problem that they have done nothing about for 40 years.....the list goes on and on and on I don't care how you debate these things or fix them... just do something. fair play and debate are nonexistent when both sides are in it for the same corrupt reasons. Think about it, Rand Paul stood up for the people the other day in regards to Drone Strikes on Americans on U.S. soil. What happened? both Republicans and Democrats bashed him and called him crazy. Whether you believe that drone use is an issue or not, Should it not still be debated instead of being instated with both parties never talking about it? Not meaning to be rude, but as long as we keep following these two parties like sheep and justifying our parties every move whether we agree with them or not for the sake of party affiliation. Nothing is ever going to change. Yes I am a conservative and used to believe that being conservative and republican or liberal and democrat went hand in hand... not anymore. they both sing the same exact song just with different notes. I know this has nothing to do with this post, and I don't mean to be rude, but I just don't see how you can expect noone to say anything to such a funny statement like that.

Currency Rates vs the U.S. Dollar of Iraq and neighboring countries. (Live rates as of 2013-03-07 12:09:24) Saudi Arabia $1 USD = 3.75 Riyal (SAR) United Arab Emirates $1 USD = 3.673 Dirham (AED) Kuwait $1 USD = 0.284 Kuwaiti Dinar (KWD) Afghanistan $1 USD = 52.154 Afghani (AFN) Iraq $1 USD = 1153.702 Iraqi Dinar (IQD) not sure if it usually changes like this... but i watched it move from 1154.. something to here. does this happen on dinar trade? just really confused.. Iv'e been looking at the same 1160 number so d*** I am not even exited just confused. maybe hopeful. I'm guessing this is just a false alarmm. But here's to hoping!

I will look for that. No doubt he probable has alot to do with this... I just wonder if hes the only thing keeping this from happening.

Yes I agree with you on the central bank control no doubt. so you think the dinar will not improve until they start another war? and who has the ability to make them lose power? I agree with your assessment.... but who would stand against them? certianly not our government.... Hey Golden, I agree with you, but how has Maliki done anything our government hasn't done? if there is then I will admit I'm wrong, but there is nothing iv'e read that shows Maliki any worse than your ordinary D.C. scum. What, he's funneled money to Iran? pffff we funnel trillions a year in the U.S. to whomever and for whatever we please.

Just wanted to get others opinion on why there has been a hold up on the Dinar having an RV/RI. I understand the country still has instability, but is that really the main factor for this holdup? I feel if that is the case, it won't happen because it will never be perfect. If the U.S.A was going through this we would never get an RV/RI because of corruption, spending etc. etc. . So could that really be the reason? Others suggest it is a global event that everyone has there hands in, and therefore that is the holdup. Some say the U.S. is controlling this, others IMF, China ETC. Well if everyone is going to profit from this why would they have waited so long? Are there people that are going to be hurt by this? I know China wants to become the world reserve and the U.S. is holding on for dear life... so could it be the hold up over who takes control over the money supply in the world? If the Dinar does become a force to be reckoned with, and a reserve currency, what happens to our petro dollar? I know this investment is real, and I know it will pay off, I have very little Idea however, when it will and why it will be done at a specific point. I know many people have been in this investment for a long time. (I've only been in this 3 years) what conclusions have people come up with for the reason for this? I know it is not of great importance because all people want is for this thing to happen. I agree, but I'm so bored about reading the same news every day, and the same rates and dates over and over. I fell like singing the lambchops song ever time I reasearch this please no loppers, I could really care less what you have to say, and please don't tell me it's because of the budget holdup,,, LOL. If the rate is in the budget... great... but nobody will ever be able to confirm that unless it actually happens.

So....... were supposed to take stock in what this guy says, lol. I came to the conclusion about exchanging my dollar for dinar based on my own research. I doubt this guy knows more than the average person. Just because he writes an article for the WSJ he automatically has credibility on this issue? Opinion...... I wouldn't even give it that. Uneducated Opinion IMHUO

Hey I went to School there

Maybe during my dream I sleepwalked to my phone and text you........ hmmm i was calling a bunch of my friends and family... and as for that... I don't have much of a rep here, but I couldn't help what I dreamed, and I don't feel like looking like a loonie. Hey maybe I text it to diddle ask him.

Well, we can hope. I have been researching the dinar for years now, seems like quite a bit is going down lately. (well it always seems like there is with dem gurus)////maybe it's different. I did have my first dream about the Dinar/ RV yesterday, and it came with a rate. I told a close friend of mine who laughed until he cried. I dare not say or I know my head will get lopped. but it is fun when stuff like that happens

I was about to respond to this and im so glad you did. We wonder why the church today is pathetic compared to the new testament. It has nothing to do with the fact that "the perfect has come" referring to the bible..... not. It is because the setup of the church that we see in the new testament is nothing like we see today. 5 fold ministry has been completely disregarded as meaningless. "pastors, teachers" have been exalted as the head of the church where if you look at the new testament (which is what Christians have to go off of)pastors and teachers fall below the office of the Apostle and Prophet. If God is a God of order, then why would Christians not be following the order set down for us in scripture. Sad, thing is. Many people are called to great things such as apostle, prophet, evangelist, but get molded into a pastorship role based of pure religion. stifling their gifts and forcing them to take a role they weren't meant for. IMHO I would rather hear the voice and power of God in church spoken through a prophet, than hear what someone has prepared a week in advance reasoned out alot by human knowledge. Like paul said "I did not come at you with fine sounding arguments, but with a demonstration of the power from the Holy Spirit.

No offense, but that is not entirely true. You can point to times in scripture that prophets were not %100 percent correct, Meaning that they had the word from God, but when spoken, became muttled by flesh. 1 Cor 13:9 "Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture!". If you hold such a standard for a prophet to be %100 percent right every time , then you must say that for all of the spiritual gifts Christians are given. Somebody that has the gift of healing, if they pray for someone and their not healed. Do you then bash them and say they are a liar because their was not visible healing? Did they lie and not have the gift? how can you be that harsh, they are only human, doing what they feel called to do. Isaiah 38 In those days Hezekiah became ill and was at the point of death. The prophet Isaiah son of Amoz went to him and said, “This is what the Lord says: Put your house in order, because you are going to die; you will not recover.” 2 Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the Lord, 3 “Remember, Lord, how I have walked before you faithfully and with wholehearted devotion and have done what is good in your eyes.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly. 4 Then the word of the Lord came to Isaiah: 5 “Go and tell Hezekiah, ‘This is what the Lord, the God of your father David, says: I have heard your prayer and seen your tears; I will add fifteen years to your life. 6 And I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria. I will defend this city. Just one example of a Major prophet that spoke something that did not come to pass. Whether God changed his mind or Isaiah misquoted, the first prophecy did not come to pass. Testing the spirits does not mean if someone says something a little off they are evil. we are all human.

Thanks everyone for your posts. I did not mean to sound like my plan was fool proof, but it was what I had come up with until this point. Great points about the currency being brought outside of the country... I had thought about that, but had not come up with a solution for this dilemma. (getting it out first is great, but convincing my wife to take a vacation to my chosen bank might be tough. lol) The vip advise is great, I was about to purchase more dinar, but I might want to learn how to protect what I have first , then go from there. I am aware that the LLC is not tax proof, but I know Nevada has strict laws prohibiting the IRS from investigations, and places the burden of proof on the IRS, just like a swiss or GC bank. This post was more of a looking for advise, and I appreciate the criticism, because to be honest, I am most willing to learn from it. I have many educated friends and family, but not concerning something like this, and I appreciate all the help. Thanks again.

Hey All, This is the first time I have every posted on any Dinar board before. Give yah a little backround, I have been invested in the dinar with close friends for a few years. I'm sure everyones got a great story as to how they got invested and the circumstances surrounding their decision so I'll spare you. Since Iv'e been invested I threw the Dinar in my sock drawer and never though about it until about a month ago when I felt an exitement about this thing really happening. So i began reasearching not as much from a point of, "how soon!!!!!", but from more, "what am I going to do when it happens". I am fully assured that the Dinar will take people from rags to richs and zero to hero, so that is not my concern I leave that to God. So I have urgency, but it's based on following biblical principles of a good stewart. I see many people on the forums that take the mindset of "Going to the bank!" "cashing in!" "Pay my taxes whatever they want fine, I'll take what I can get". I by no means am trying to demean people that feel that way, but I don't understand the mindset behind it. Lets say that we do get taxed at an income tax rate after the exchange costs your looking at close to %40 of your money completely gone in one day. "poof" oh and depending on what state your in it could be another %10 gone, and then go to spend it in a state with sales tax %6-10 more! Then on top of that you have forever put the IRS scope on your back. how can you be okay with this? I know this is worst case scenario, but there is a big possibility this could happen. I am 24 years old working full time and in a full time MBA program. My wife is still in school and doesn't work. The job I work at is a corporate sales job. I don't make a ton of money but I get taxed at %40 because im on commissions. (I do get some back) but Seeing almost half of my paycheck gone every month when I'm young and trying to provide for my family is not a fun thing to have happen. I don't hate taxes or despise the government for taking them, but you can be sure I will never pay a dime more than I have to. long story short I started Looking into the correct way to handle this investment. Here is the plan that I have come up with, It is legal and it will save me so much money I can actually do great things with this investment, not just good things. (if anyone has better ideas let me know, this is the best way iv'e found so far.) First, I will take a $25,000 dollar dinar and cash it in. This will give me the resources to put the rest of my plan into action. (I'll let them tax me at income level on 25,000 thats it!) Next I will hop on a plane and head to a private bank or any secure bank and I will deposit my dinar into the account. depending on the stability of the Dinar and the amount it RV's for, I will avoid an exchange fee and keep it in dinar, or I will exchange it into the steadiest currency I feel at that time. Next i will tie my newly acquired account into my newly formed LLC based out of Nevade(the swiss banks of LLC's). Then I will start trading in the forex. there you go, the only time I will pay taxes is when I pull money out of the LLC for my salary, or pay capital gains on my LLC's investments, and the government will not be able to touch my newly acquired wealth. Like I said I do not mind paying taxes, but being young with no great source of income, getting half of my DInar investment taken away in the first year, will really hurt me in the future. I welcome anybody who has an opinion on this. Actually I would love to hear peoples plans and Ideas. I feel Like I still have much to learn. (if you think what I'm doing is immoral or unethical, that is fine, but I don not believe this breaks any U.S. laws, so my conscience is clean.) -I cannot say the same for our government. :P/> (Kidding!) Thanks everyone for for posting on this forum, I have learned alot from you all the past few years.