Quattro 8

Yes Botz i have bitcoin, and it's not sold to Joe Public, only geeks and techies currently have it, most people still have no clue about Bitcoin, dont understand it, and dont have any. Do you have any? do you accept Bitcoin in your Restaurant? Ask your customers, if they have even heard of Bitcoin . bet the majority say no. So now i'm also a moron and a Jackass? your debating skills and people skills leave a lot to be desired, in every post you have made on this thread, you always include and insult or two at me. Attacking the messenger not the message. and you say you are in the Restaurant (people) business - wow - how can this be? Listen to the video above, (from the 33.01 minute mark) and learn something about human nature, external savior models, and Ponzi schemes and in response to my last post about the investment side of the Dinar, your two responses were about me having Bitcoin and you owning a restaurant - neither of which has anything to do with the investment potential or otherwise of Dinars -

Back in November 2014 Clif High put out one of his Wujo videos ( He is of Halfpasthuman.com fame) and they specialize in Predictive Linguistics skip forward to 33.01 minute mark ( thats the start of the Dinar seqment) and listen to what his data says about the Dinar, its very interesting

The cognitive dissonance shown in the Dinar space is epic, the currency has not to date RV'd so now it's touted as a long-term investment, "20 years" said one poster, " i can wait 30 or 40 years " said another. Well OK, sit and wait. It will never RV. When I purchased my small amount with money I could well afford to lose, I thought "maybe a year or two" and it will RV. I never thought "any day now". Also, It's all about the amount of $'s that you have invested, for me it was only $2500. Hardly a large sum of money. We can argue over investment length time but the Dinar is supposed to be an "investment" and as an investment so far, it sucks. Botzwana pointed out that "No one is stopping you from unloading your Dinars on Ebay. You can still almost get back what you paid for them" Wow great, hold an investment for 6+ years and lose money when you sell it - yep that's how you make money, buy, hold and sell at a loss 6 years later. Why haven't investment firms, pension funds, money manager jumped all over this "investment"? I mean some of the smartest financial brains run these firms, what did these guys miss, that the rest of us saw? No, the Dinar investment was schemed to be sold to Joe Public, and Joe Public is not considered to be the best at making financial "bets" What made people buy the Dinar? it was the promise/suggestion of epic returns. if it was sold with the promise/suggestion of say 2% gain per year, most people currently holding Dinars would not have purchased them in the first place. No, we need BIG Numbers Let's do some calcs. We can use my Dinar holding as an example I have 2,000,000 Dinars and at the time I purchased them they were 1,117 to the £ ( i purchased in £'s but for this example, let's just call them $USD) so I have 2,000,000 Dinars and at the time I purchased them they were 1,117 to the 1 $USD so They RV to 1 Dinar = $1 I now have $2,000,000 or, THey RV for 1 Dinar = $2 i now have $4,000,000 or, They RV for 1 Dinar = $3 i now have $6,000,000 As you can see, epic increases! Again, why wasn't this/isn't this all over Bloomberg Financial / CNBC etc - with returns like this why didn't the serious money guys just buy all the Dinars in existence? i will hazard a guess. They all collectively knew that is was a Ponzi scheme, and if silly old Joe Public want to get involved, let them, A fool and his money are soon parted. So I was thinking... I wonder how many Dinar Warren Buffet is currently holding? At a guess, i would say zero. Clearly, that's an oversight on his behalf. I mean, what does he know about investments?, So with projected returns of 1 Dinar being worth anything between $1 and $3 anyone can see why folk invested, some very heavily, in the mighty Dinar. An investment that the whole of the Wall St/City of London financial crowd has missed out on these past 6 years, and continue to ignore. Are they nuts? whats wrong with these guys? The way the current financial system is set up, the little people, ie Joe Public, aka the sheeple, get fleeced. They do not get to participate in collective deals where they can buy something for $0.000895 and within N-space of time, it becomes worth $1, $2 or even $3. Not going to happen, never going to happen, period. Botzwana said "I researched and read people for 6 frickin months before I bought anything" With your financial acumen why you aren't running your own Hedge fund or similar financial investment vehicle is beyond the scope of this posting. Finally, Miquel thinks that my personal Dinar story is feeble ( which is: i purchased some Dinar 6+ years ago, i still have them, and there has been no RV) feeble? sounds about the same as everyone else, everyone who has purchased is in the same boat. Waiting for that magical RV day. Anyway, if that's feeble Miquel, here is something much stronger for you One year after I spent $2500 on my Dinar, I spent $2500 on Bitcoin. Is that a stronger personal story for you!

did you buy into the Dinars thinking " great, in 20 years i will be rich" because i certainly didnt. i wasnt looking for a 20 year investment it was always, RV is just days/months away~! The Dinar wasnt/isnt? sold as a long term (20 years) investment, it is sold as " RV is just around the corner and when it happens you will be seriously rich" kind of a deal i take your other points though..

ok, so i made the wrong assumption you are not so invested in it, sorry about that assumption So i say - you dont have so many Dinars, then good for you! actually im not against a RV, as i said i still hold my Dinars so if , on the millions to 1 chance, it ACTUALLY ever happened, then of course i would cash them in ( and id be happy to write back on this post that i had done so) - its just that i'm 99.999999% sure it will never happen , it hasnt so far and it wont in the future. Of course i can not be 100% because i like you have no say in such matters and of course, the odds of it ever happening grow longer by every day/month/year that is doesn't RV Why am i posting>? just posting my experience to date with Dinars, you dont like my experiences with Dinars?, then dont reply to my post and no, i dont work for any Government The only SHrill/ Troll on this post is you, you can't deal with the fact that not everyone believes 100% in the RV of the Dinar, and you dont have ability to deal with dissenting voices/posts , you can only attack the messenger , not the message and no, i dont want your Dinar or anyone else's for that matter, lol

re "Talk about totally missing the point. The girl was an illustration. Not a real occurrence. Ugh.". Yes i knew that, i was just messin' back with ya re "No one is stopping you from unloading your Dinars on Ebay. You can still almost get back what you paid for them. see and READ my first post where i said " ( a few years back I did think about selling my Dinar to some unsuspecting individual, but I didn't because as I knew it was a fraud, then by selling them it makes me part of it- So no, i've lost my £1600 and that's that.) re "So you consider something that hasn´t happened yet a fraud.".. No, Not everything , but in the context of this post, just the DINAR , i made no comment about Jesus Christ or Armaggedon , those are your words so you are defining trolling as: Me pointing out my experience with the Dinar during these past 6 or 7 years , as in it hasnt gone up in value and there has been no RV, and you are classing that as trolling? oh ok then re "Let them liberate Mosul. Let them pass the HCL. I am willing to wait and not get self righteous to make a post about it..." yes i get that you are willing to wait, i assume because you are so financially welded to the Dinar that im guessing you have little or no choice but to wait. re " Just because something has not happened yet does NOT mean it is a scam by any means. " ordinarily you are correct, but not in the case of the Dinar

Re you wrote "SHOW me the article that said the Dinar would be worth $3 in the past. Come on all wise and mighty. Afterall you said they existed right? I challenge you right now to post it what i actually wrote was ."no, i did not see that article, and so what ? there were similar articles 6 years ago . There are always these kind of articles all promising Jam Tomorrow " i made no specific mention of $3

So Yes I said i would check back in a year to see if my statement / came true and i will. but in a year's time - its a timed bet in the meantime i also can reply to posts on my threads cant't i ? I'm not posting on any other threads, only to responses to this thread. I'm now guessing you have a LOT of Dinar - Also for the record, i didn't say you were sad, just angry Nice story about your girlfriend, sorry she didn't return your calls. Re your fish antidote. yep I found another "fish" at the same time, its called "Bitcoin" if you read my first and second post properly, i stated that i had purchased some Dinars and to this day i still have them. Also, if you read it, I'm not complaining, it was an investment (albeit based on a Fraud ) that didnt pay off . it happens you wrote " Look at me everyone! I am here to piss on you. That is what you are saying with a post like this. " Not sure how to take this one, because on the one hand i purchased my Dinars like everyone else on this board ( and i still have them) and on the other hand (I now) don't attribute any value to them. If you or anyone still values their Dinars then that's upto you/them, nothing to do with me. But i do value my Bitcoins, they have done a stellar job for me these past 6 years So i regard myself as a Bitcoin winner and a Dinar loser. Your mileage may vary. Why do i say that? well in pure investment terms Dinars are about the same as when i purchased them 6 or 7 years ago, and Bitcoins have done a moonshot when i have some spare time i will search the wayback machine archives for examples of Dinar $'s pricing , just dont have time to do it now. plus the facts are the facts and it still hasn't RV'd! Ask yourself WHY, 6 or 7 years on, It STILL hasn't RV'd?

i was on here 7 years ago, i purchased and still have my Dinar - Were you even on here 7 years ago? I'm not trying to save anyone, least of all you . just stating what i observed over these past 7 years no, i did not see that article, and so what ? there were similar articles 6 years ago . There are always these kind of articles all promising Jam Tomorrow fact of the matter: There is STILL NO RV after 7 years judging by your anger you are either a) a seller of Dinar or b. you have invested a lot of your $'s in to the Dinar i vote for b. Does it hurt you to loose so much $'s ? edit: why would anyone think that 1 Dinar can be worth even 1 USD - just look at the economies America is the number 1 right now and has the world's reserve currency . Iraq was blown to pieces and has er... what?

Correction: I purchased 2 Million at a rate of 1,117 to the £ GBP,

I first became involved in the "Dinar space" approx 6 or 7 years ago, I purchased 2 Million at a rate of 1.117 to the £ GBP, I paid about £1600 according to my records (approx $2500) I joined this forum maybe 6+ years ago and did a few posting about various related issues.. In 2012 I also purchased some Bitcoins, they cost me around $10 each I also stopped posting on this forum around this time because I woke up! now 7 years later, there still has been no RV (and there never will be) why? easy It's because the whole Dinar RV thing is a fraud and a scam, it was set up that way, it's a gigantic Ponzi scheme I just reset my password & came back on to this forum after all these years and a quick skim read shows the same "Jam Tomorrow", "we are nearly there", "we are almost across the RV line postings" as I saw 6-7 years ago. Seems to me the more $'s people have invested in this scheme, ( the greed) the more they need to believe it will happen! - heads up guys - it won't Also, if I remember correctly back in the day.. some people had "invested" over $100k in Dinars - ouch! ( imagine if they had of put it into Bitcoin at the time - wow) As I only invested £1600 ($2500) and it was money I could afford to loose - I wrote it off in my mind many years ago as "i was a victim of this cleverly designed scam and so I've lost my money" ( a few years back I did think about selling my Dinar to some unsuspecting individual, but I didn't because as I knew it was a fraud, then by selling them it makes me part of it- So no, i've lost my £1600 and that's that.) Bitcoin, on the other hand, has done quite a bit better, my first "coins" ( purchased in 2012) were purchased around $10 each, as of the time of writing this I see that they are now over $1900 each - Bitcoin has/is "RV'ing" (upwards) constantly - it's the internet of money Assuming this post is not deleted for some reason ( and i will keep a copy of it and check back in 1 year) i'll make this statement/bet By 31st May 2018 the BTC ( Bitcoin price ) will be min $11,000 per coin - But more importantly, at the same time The Dinar / $USD exchange rate will be more of less what it is today - ie it went nowhere and also by then, THE RV WILL STILL NOT HAVE HAPPENED! Quattro 8

True it does mention Dinar only the one time, is there a minimum?

this sentence "Or even its lower level emotional derivative cousin, the 'iraqi dinar gonna save my personal financial butt' meme..." meant it was on topic.. perhaps not the ra ra message that is the norm on here, so why was it movedt?

Haven't been on here for a while, ..still no RV i see...i don't have that much dinar , so all things considered i haven't lost much...... maybe this explains more... ".................What makes this case particularly interesting is the curious nature of the collective experience around 'the lawsuit'. The whole 'lawsuit to end the NWO meme' has been in circulation for almost 2/two years now, and we first reported on the seemingly extra systemic approach to 'solution' about a year earlier in our forecasts. But, from the perspective of those who are proffering the 'lawsuit as external savior with no violence to change the world and yet somehow the elites remain in power meme', the response has been worse than tepid. So far, an abject failure. As a point of comparison, the power elite received much more bang for their emotional buck on the 'Wanta trillions to save the world'. Or even its lower level emotional derivative cousin, the 'iraqi dinar gonna save my personal financial butt' meme............" more at http://www.halfpasthuman.com./yetmorecritical.html

Gold is the money of kings, silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is the money of peasants - but debt is the money of slaves -Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium" and the Dinar is ? ( funny how so many sheeple think of debt as wealth btw)

exactly !, the 5th Reason ( and the real reason) are that all the main credit rating agencies are American and when the SWHFT they kept up AAA ratings on all of "the Debt", so in true Orwellian speak, we have the "best" debt rated AAA and and the "not so best debt rated" say BBB ie more likely to default. ,,,,and the market's answer to that is to charge more interest (usary) on the not so good debt making it even more likely they will default due to the ever increasing payable interest. And, as the private for profit Fed Reserve issues the currency and the interest payable is payable in the script issued by the Fed can anyone see a Ponzi scheme here? its compound interest pure and simple and there is no escaping from it the only way out is war ( ie stealing from the otherside if you "win" ) or default and let the lenders take the haircuts ... hmmm which one is more likely?

@Legolas - best post ever anywhere, period. Got (physical) gold anyone? trust in thousands of years of history. When paper burns ( and they always do) where are you gonna go ? The Dinar? nah

All correct Jim, so what can the man in the street do to protect himself? well a few things.... starting with getting some (physical) Gold & Silver in your hand Gold is the Money of Kings, Silver is the Money of Gentlemen, Barter is the Money of Peasants, Debt is the Money of Slaves, And all paper currencies are issued as DEBT ! ( read it yourself, it says "...Promise to pay " ) therefore thats a debt

Legolas re "I suspect that we as investors may very well hold more than the treasury" Yep i think we all do

Why would the USA want to use anything other than the USD to buy Oil from Iraq when just create/print that currency essentially for free ? Remember the last time that Iraq tried to sell it oil in anything other the USD? yep.... it got invaded....

Dropping against the Dollar is good, ....means if i want to buy Dollars i need less Dinars

There are another two possibility that have to be considered ( whether we like them or not and i know nobody on here will) and that is 1. the RV wont happen for another XXXX days/months/years or 2. It will never happen Am i cashing out my Dinar based on 1 or 2 above? No, why? because i look at it as a better-than-the lottery odds speculation/bet and, as my losses are limited on the downside to the amount that i have spent and if i loose it all because of no RV/RV in xx years time, it will not change/affect my quality of life.

Russia Says IMF Chief Jailed For Discovering All US Gold Is Gone By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers ( yea maybe????) but you never know http://beforeitsnews.com/story/675/584/All_US_Gold_Gone_Russia_says_IMF_Chief_Jailed_for_Discovery..html

if you read "when money dies" by Adam Ferguson which relates the Weimer experience by people who lived through it you will discover that Germany took off 12 Zeros ! wow

Day 1 Lets say you have a 1,170,000 IQD bought at the exact rate of $1000 ,( exchange rate was 1170 Dinar to 1 US Dollar ) Day 2 and they loped three zeros off the next day , you would now be holding 1170 IQD which still cost you the $1000 ( now the exchange rate is 1.170 Dinar to 1 US Dollar) this is an (internal) RV for the dinar. Have you made anything on the currency speculation if this happens if you are holding X millions of IQD?, No in this scenario you have not ( nor have you lost anything, your buying power remains the same, ( all other things being equal) I'm ignoring the fact that dealers dont sell at the bank rate for the purposes of this scenario so how will it affect the man in the street , in Iraq and the USA? Iraq shopkeeps in Iraq will move the decimal place three places to the left on the prices, ie Day 1 Soda can Price was 1000 IQD, Day 2 Price is now 1 IQD Customer of shopkeeper: Day 1 , he brings 1000 dinar to get i can of soda, Day 2: still brings 1000 dinar but both shopkeeper and customer know that until all large denoms are withdrawn from circulation, both agree that in line with Gov law, that 1000 dinar is now 1 dinar. life stays the same Wholesaler of soda can , Day 1 he paid 500 dinar to foreign Corp to buy that soda can, day 2 he pays 1/2 Dinar ( same value) to buy the same can of soda. USA it does not affect the man in the street in the USA as the IQD is not legal tender there , however if he wants to buy some IQD then he goes to the bank: On day 2 and will be given 1170 IQD for his $1000, if he had gone there on Day 1, he would have been given 1,170,000 for his $1000, both represent the same buying power in Iraq There are two types of RV, Internal as outlined above (which doesn't affect or benefit us) and external ie in relation to other currencies which is what we are all hoping for..... External RV, for any speculator of currency to benefit ( ie us) there has to be a marked change in the external exchange rate of the IQD relative to other currencies so today $1 = 1170 IQD, therefore 1 IQD must = 1/1170 = $.0008547. We are all looking for decrease in Dinars that have to be exchanged for Dollars/Pounds/Euros etc So if the CBI published a new rate of $1 = 117 IQD , therefore 1 IQD = 1/117 = $.008547 , we all have 10 times more buying power than we started with, wahoooooo ! normally countries/Gov's debase their currencies ( its a way of silently stealing from the population, slowly without the population realising) , The $USD for example has been debased approx 2.5% every year since 1913, so that a US Dollar (FRN) has lost 97% of its value relative to its purchasing power since 1913. ( think what a dollar would buy in the 1950's, 1960', 1970' etc compared to now) This is what usually happens and there are many examples in history going back to Roman times of Gov's devaluing /debasing their currency . Now what we are all hoping for is a re-basing of a currency, This will make all Iraqis ( depending on how much dinar they have/are holding) and us the currency speculators potentially very rich overnight, Because it will mean that theirs and our buying power will increase substantially overnight. ( 10 times in the above example) Now i dont know enough about the Iraq situation to know whether a massive rebasing of the currency will be a) allowed, is desirable on the world's stage. I know that between the currency speculators and the Iraqui people we would all welcome it with open arms. but we are never going to be able to set a new rate... whatever that might be. also for an external rebasing to occur, Iraq would have to convince the markets that say, the current net value of the Country is 20 Trillion, well as from tomorrow it is now 20 x 10 = 200 Trillion ( based on the above example of 10 x rebasing) for the following reasons, ie Oil/minerals/gold etc etc Otherwise the markets might not "believe" and the rate will be pushed back to somewhere near to where it came from .... also its against every central bank / Gov to rebase ....after all its "money for nothing" and they dont like competition in that department!