https://www.freeconferencing.com/playback_tp.html?cid=conferences/-17-65-6782-17-65-6751-17-65-67-17-65-67-17-65-676837838812228-17-65-67118.mp3&e=1330491600000&cn=94-43-28-63
this is a link for a conference call I came across, the dinar topic is @ the 3 hour mark.... you can fast forward