Nelg

I read through this material once and tried to read through it a second time (though I don’t know why I would) just to see if the Bible was used or quoted. It wasn’t. Not one quote for reference. It was alluded to a couple of times and biblical names were used or I should say, abused. I have been a student and teacher of Scripture for many years and never heard an interpretation as open to criticism as this tirade. No wonder people turn a deaf ear to this teaching, if it can be called teaching. “Do not listen to the prophets who are prophesying to you. They are leading you into futility; they speak a vision of their own imagination, not from the mouth of the Lord.” Later the Lord said, “I did not send these prophets, but they ran. I did not speak to them, but they prophesied.” (Jeremiah) Sincerity and accuracy must go hand in hand. But sincerity is often mistaken for correct interpretation of the Bible and this guy is sincerely wrong! I don’t care whether his “prophecies” come true or not. He abuses what knowledge he has of the Bible, and that is totally appalling to me as a Christian. If this is presented as Christian teaching, I can see how some would get a chuckle and shake their head as such incoherent and illogical gibberish. Am I bashing? No! I’m saying that if this guy is going to present something he says comes from God then he needs to listen to God more and less to his on imagination. Mark myself down. Might have been a little harsh.

Good luck on getting work. It doesn't need to be a JOB with a boss, just something that you can do to create an income for your family. Hopefully, the RV will be just around the corner and you will be enjoying investing, sipping an ice tea, watching the family on the beach. Good hunting. RV! RV! RV! :lol:

The add is promoting the purchase of the Turkish Dinar. They just say that the IQD is a "long term" investment, not on the Forex and their product is. Their lure is that the IQD is a scam and people want to hear about it. The scam (and they are correct) is that you could be taken or defrauded of your money IF you purchase the Old Iraqi Dinar and not the current IQD. I get The Sovereign Investor. It is just another investment news letter. Don't get too uptight about it. If you ask, they would probably sell you IQDs. They are there to make money by your investment into their products.

Great material on both the above. Two years ago, on June 15, hundreds of thousands of fist-waving Iranians hit the capital to denounce President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's claim to victory in a disputed election. It quickly turned violent when, pro-government gunmen – standing on rooftops – opened fire on a group of protesters, killing one man and wounding several others. After days of protests, order was restored. According to news reports, Iran has a population of young adults who are fed-up with the regime and may be planning a two-year anniversary protest. If that happens, the likelihood of it spreading to other Middle Eastern countries is extremely possible. Just today Fox News announced that the government in Iran is tolerating men wearing short-sleeve shirts and women wearing scarves farther back on their head. A radical move for such a rigid religious state. IMO this is an effort to keep the masses quiet, because they (the people) will perceive some things are changing when in reality they are not. This may indicate how close the government is feeling that something is going to happen that will destabilize the country. The entire area is a power keg ready to explode: Libya, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, Nigeria, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia are all confronting civil unrest. Of major interest are Egypt, Pakistan, and Iran because they hold a sway over crude production and if these governments begin to topple or radically change, oil prices will soar! Again, these nations do not need to topple; only the perception of instability and change will push oil prices up. Iraqi’s oil will be more valuable than ever and the tie of the dinar to black gold will only enhance its value, giving more leverage in an RV.

I'm glad someone pointed that out. However, for George R. "profit" is definitely a better handle than "prophet." Hee hee.

It was copyrighted in 2010. So it must be old news. It is interesting. First time I have seen it.

A friend told me about the dinar investment and he made it clear that it was risky. After two months of investigation, some doubtful moments on the “to good to be true” thoughts, I still thought it was sound. Still do. I didn’t go into the investment with thoughts of “instant wealth” and knew it was going to take some time for it to come to pass. That was less than 3 months ago and I am thrilled that it has the possibility of RVing in the near future. If it doesn’t for another 6 months I will still hold to the investment. I have told a few friends, but not many. I do feel guilty for not openly sharing with others when I know that they could be helped by investing. Yet for the most part I keep my mouth shut! I have a group of friends who have all invested in the dinar. We meet about once a week to joke, laugh, and just have fun. We have even planned to have a “Dinar Dinner” when it RVs. We talk about other things as well: what will we do, where we will invest, and whom we can help financially. I have plans to support missions (I help two now, and want to do more.) It’s good to have these people to talk to about the investment. We tease about it RVing on Thursday! We don’t care what Thursday. I think that most of us have stopped sharing with anyone. We are just enjoying the ride and waiting for the RV. I retired December 31, 2010 from ministry and we are living off SS and what we have saved. It could RV tomorrow and I will be throwing a party the next day. Even then I may not share with others what happened. I think I will just let them guess and make up stories.

I just realized im putting this in the wrong place. Can you (the mods ) move it? Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/68334-sharing-the-wealth/#ixzz1NafWcA5W Good luck with that. I did the same thing and got a hand-slap. (Rightfully so. Heee hee.)

Wonderful article! Thanks "Bondlady" for being a "FreedomLady." God bless America!

Of course you are correct. Since I am new, I posted in the wrong place. My apologies, but I couldn't find the "Jump on This Guy" section.

A post by Deathmonkey started me thinking: When do you encourage someone to purchase dinar? And who would you approach? I have gotten varied responses from laughter to profuse "thank you." I would like to share what I understand about the IQD and it's RV, but am hesitant to do so. Do you talk to people about your investment?

Tooo Righttt! I'm a Newbie as well and this pumping is madness. Keep it real guys!

Great post! Just wanted to say that I am making two prophecies. The RV is going to take place on the same day that the world comes to an end! Heee, hee.

After reading all the comments with interest it struck me that none of us know what we are talking about. Our puny minds are struggling with extra biblical things which are too lofty for us. We can't even decipher the difference between Intel and Rumor, Scripture or opinion, religion or Christianity. Most of the arguments against the Bible, God or Christ have been around for centuries and a person will either reject or accept them depending on their own preconceived beliefs. The answers have also been around since these arguments were made. Unbelievers didn't accept them then and they don't today. Most detractors arguments are rooted in ignorance and watered an unwillingness to study the facts. The reading has been entertaining, but for the most part boring. If we want to debate the issue we need to take it to a religious or biblical form and not on related to the Dinar. And I know that I have been one of the culprits by writing one of the initial comments. I stand by what I said, but it might have been better said in a separate venue. Praying that the RV will be soon and all of us will become financially whole. Love, Joy, and Peace. Nelg

I have some dinar too! Where is yours?

GGlenGray or Nelg. I have tried several pics of my dinar. All of them have been too large to place in the email. I have compressed, emailed to myself, tried black and white and nothing seem to work. I got the pic down to 508 and it still would not send. I guess you will just have to take my word. I HAVE DINAR! Glen

Jack, you and your family are in our (my wife and I) prayers. Nothing can be more disturbing than to know that your wife or family has been in danger. Thankfully, the only thing you lost was your car. But even the lost of transportation can be upsetting when one is in difficult straits. I've been there and am close to that point now. Many of us need for the RV to happen. I will be praying that it does happen quickly for all of us. If not, keep on serving God and waiting for this to happen. May the love of Christ be with your family.

I'm a new as well. Since January 2010. I had some of the same questions. I am in agreement with most of the comments above and would like to add the following: According to the Bank for International Settlements as of April 2010 (published Dec 2010), the average daily turnover in global foreign exchange markets is estimated at $3.98 trillion. Some firms specializing on foreign exchange market put the average daily turnover in excess of US$4 trillion. The $3.98 trillion break-down is as follows: • $1.490 trillion in spot transactions- an agreement to buy or sell an asset today. • $475 billion in outright forwards- a non-standardized contract between two parties to buy or sell an asset at a specified future time at a price agreed today. • $1.765 trillion in foreign exchange swaps- a simultaneous purchase and sale of identical amounts of one currency for another with two different value dates (normally spot to forward). • $43 billion currency swaps • $207 billion in options and other products

Nelg - This is my first post. It may be my last. I am amazed at the amount of biblical ignorance that has been tossed around. I think most of us should stick to something we know and understand. Interesting link and statements by this guy. However, I am very careful when someone starts saying that God told him to do something along these lines. So this post pricked my "theological brain" and I couldn't help but write something. This is not meant as a gauntlet. Nor do I mean it in as a putdown of the person making the claim. It is just a caution for myself and others. I listened to the tape and found nothing that was not related to the knowledge anyone could have received from someone reading investment newsletters and journals. Investment gurus have predicted 1,000% - 2,000% gain for their selected stocks, precious metals, and energy by looking at the intel and information of the corporations . It happens everyday without claiming it to be miraculous revelation. The dinar predictions are human predictions that any of the senior VIPs could have made, and some have. Doesn't mean they are correct or not, it just means they are speaking from information they have on hand. Don’t get me wrong; I am a staunch believer in God, His work in the world, and the presence of the Holy Spirit in the believer. I believe in Scripture as “the word from God” and that it is an inspired revelation. I have studied the Scripture most of my life and have taught in several countries. Several so called prophets have made outlandish claims and some have been of on consequence within the plan and purpose of God. However, I have yet to hear one truly Spirit inspired prophetic future prediction outside the Bible. Oh, yes. Many statements of individuals have come true, but NONE were revelations (something that had not been said before). Here is the danger of making predictions that God has spoken to someone without the words coming from God: 1. One is being presumptive by stating that God is working and speaking through that person when he is not. I have yet to meet or read of a "prophet" who wasn't filled with pride. (I am not speaking of a prophet of the Bible.) 2. The “prophet” (the one claiming inspiration and revelation but who does not speak for God) gives the unbeliever a “brick of doubt” to build a barrier to true belief in God and Christ. I have seen that on the thread. The “prophets” words are spoken yet they do not come to past. The unbeliever quickly assumes that God was wrong, the speaker was misled, or there is just nothing to this “belief” thing! It’s all a matter of conjecture and there is no god at all. 3. The results of the “prophecy” not coming to past causes individuals to not only doubt God, but to doubt and reject the Bible as being a true revelation from Him. The critic of the Bible could say, "If this 'prophet' claims to be speaking for God and half the time he is wrong then what about the writers and speakers in the Bible? Are they right only half the time? If so, then which half can I believe?" 4. The supposed "prophet" draws others away after their own passions, their own thoughts, and not the truth of God. Usually they are greedy, fleshy, worldly, and are smooth talkers. By teaching human philosophies they draw away disciples after themselves. For many people, it is not easy to discern a false teacher or prophet. They teach “in the name of God” and speak frequently about their religious experience and their special association with God. The even perform signs and miracles (Dt 13:1-5), but these prove nothing; if what they say does not come true (Dt 18:18-22). Most true prophets of God didn’t know that they were proclaiming a future event. They spoke to the moral and immoral conditions of national sin and only incidentally of the future. Certainly a few stated that if you do this that will happen; if you reject Me, you will be rejected. But very few times in Scripture does "prophet" have a predictive meaning. He was a "forth teller" and not a "fore teller." The prophets were basically preachers who called people back to God. And over 2,000 times the phrase, “thus saith the Lord,” was declared by them in what they said. The true prophet knew that he was a spokesman for Jehovah, but the few that did predict something had no clue as to what they were predicting (1Pt 1:10-12). They want to know, but didn’t know until after the coming of Christ and revelation was given to them. I said all that just to preface what I am about to say: I don’t believe what this guy says! It may happen as he says. Wonderful! Go RV! Yet this does not mean that God spoke to him or through him. If it was a “thus saith the Lord,” then we need to record what he said and put them into another book for the Bible. Yet even he would not want that. This is not to say that God cannot speak to us through experiences (good and bad), sunsets, songs, and events. The main way, the infallible way is through the Bible. He does speak to us every day if we listen. But the way this "prophet" is speaking is a whole different realm of communication. Yet if it doesn’t RV for the amount and time frame he predicts, does that mean that God was wrong? The Spirit was wrong? Or, does it mean that God didn’t speak to this person and that he is totally speaking from his own imaginations (Jer 23:14)? I prefer the latter.