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Nooooooo that's Ebola... and ever since the guy landed in Omaha Tyvek suits have tripled in price.... and for a few days were sold out on Amazon.... hummmm

Look around you, what do see? It's a church. It's a BUILDING! The TRUE church of Jesus is SO MUCH MORE. Look at buildings made of wood and stone, youdon't need any institution between Jesus and You. You see, just God. No place, no churches. The first words of Jesus Gospel is, "The Kingdom of God is Inside YOU", and ALL AROUND YOU, not inside any buildings of wood or stone. Split a piece of wood, and I'm there. Split the stone and you will find me. Isn't this basically the essence of that spoken in the 'gospel' of St Thomas?

Umbert, this little excerpt from the link you posted caught my attention: Mukpo was working in Liberia as a freelance cameraman for NBC News when he tested positive last week. As a precautionary measure, the crew he was working with will remain in isolation for 21 days, the incubation period for the disease. The quarantined team includes the NBC News chief medical editor, Dr Nancy Snyderman He's with a doc, who knows about transmission.. and he gets it nonetheless..... ugh.... And glad to know he was transported in a special aircraft designed for such purpose... .

Well its certainly a snappy title the author gave it... , but not sure it best captures what the article is saying..... a lot of this stuff has been said before in bits and pieces... this article just ties it up with a bit more panache, anger and upset than most....Probably should have titled it something like We're Fighting the Unintended Consequences of our Own Creation.... not like that is a big secret.... or unknown to anyone with a brain and a TV. Its on nightly news... And the article author should know that tossing around the word imperialism is completely unnecessary to his point and he'll lose credibility just like any other person who gets histrionic about the issues at hand....Here's the article for those who can't click on links... ... .. On September 24, 2014, the United Nations passed a resolution paving the way to open-ended “anti-terror” warfare against the Islamic State (IS), the “network of death”, promising a war that will “last for years”. The “war on the Islamic State” is a lie. It is the same fetid Big Lie that is the “war on terrorism”, reheated and updated with new, bloodier special effects, new propaganda, a familiar but revised cast of demonic villains and a new military attack calendar. Three thousand lives were sacrificed on 9/11 for the fabricated “war on terrorism” against “Al-Qaeda” and Osama bin Laden. Now, thirteen years of continuous imperial onslaught and tens of thousands of deaths and atrocities later, the “Islamic State” escalation will topple Syria, Iran, transform Iraq, and provide yet another pretext to wreak havoc anywhere else the empire wishes. But it is the same lie, built on the same propaganda cornerstones: the myth of the “outside enemy”, the threat of “Islamic terror”, eternal pretexts to galvanize public opinion behind an Anglo-American agenda of conquest and war that will never end. It is the same lie, founded upon the idea that “Islamic terrorists” are enemies of the West, when, in amply documented fact, these terrorists are the West’s finest foot soldiers and military-intelligence assets. The Islamic State, like Al-Qaeda and all entities that comprise the “Islamic Jihad” is a creation of the CIA and Anglo-American intelligence (Pakistan’s ISI, Saudi intelligence, British MI6, the Israeli Mossad, etc.). The various jihadist militias and military-intelligence assets and fronts—IS, Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusrah, etc. are “American made”, openly supported and utilized by the United States and its allies, as they have been continuously from the Cold War to this very second. These forces are carefully manipulated and guided weapons for US-NATO. Terrorists are instrumental to the ongoing US-led covert and overt operations in Syria. Terrorists run by the US and CIA destabilized and toppled Libya, are integral to coming regime changes. Under both direct and indirect orders of US-NATO sponsors and handlers, these “demon hordes” are, and will continue to be, the leading military-intelligence assets behind every major geostrategic action in the region. The IS joins Al-Qaeda as today’s favorite “boogeyman” target. The war masks the true intent, which is the toppling of Syria and Iran, and onward. The “terrorists” are depicted in propaganda as either villains or “freedom fighters”, depending on the day and the military theater. The horrific acts of the death squads, including beheadings and other atrocities, are standard operating procedure in CIA black operations, terror techniques going back to the Vietnam War and the Phoenix Program, and are done upon orders of US and US-allied military-intelligence. Decapitations of Syrian civilians have been ongoing for years, to media silence. The recent spate of beheadings of Americans and British have been selectively carried out (and in some cases staged) for propaganda purposes. Political theater designed to galvanize the dimwitted, ignorant masses to support massive retaliatory war. According to recent polls, four out of five registered American voters overwhelmingly support military attacks against the Islamic State. The acquiescent, ignorant American masses, still irretrievably pacified by the propaganda “shock and fear” effect of 9/11, enthusiastically back any “retaliation” against “bad guys who cut off heads” and “threaten America”, and have no problem sending American youth to the front lines to be cannon fodder. They are “defending freedom”. The American sheeple believe—even love to believe—the Big Lie. Whereas the citizens of Hong Kong and in other countries take passionately to the streets to fight for their democracy, the average American has long abdicated his and her duty as an informed, vigilant citizen. Far too busy shooting nude selfies on handheld gadgets—their brains addled by inane entertainment, and Hollywood celebrations of the national security apparatus—to care. So-called liberals and progressives also back action against the Islamic State. The few who have any inkling that Islamic terror is a product of the US war machine wind up wringing their sweaty hands over the red herring of “blowback”: the tired idea that the US created but lost control of a Jihadist force that it now must contain. It is bogus. These militias are the American empire’s key foot soldiers and operatives, the leading force behind plans to topple Syria, just as they were in Libya. This is not blowback, but a well orchestrated military-intelligence operation, cloaked beneath a criminal conspiracy that is maintained by an ironclad elite consensus. Islamic terrorism “stops” the minute that its sponsors at CIA, MI, ISI, etc. stop using it. The war itself stops when the elites who have planned this Final Solution to seize control of the last remaining oil supplies on the planet—the very life blood of the Anglo-American empire—stop, and give up their war of conquest and greed. The entire apparatus collapses. But this will not happen in this lifetime. Not even in the event of planetary calamity. To threaten humanity, to pretend to wage war against boogeyman that they themselves created, and continue to support and use: only those of world class evil could conceive of and carry out this horror. The American network of death goose-steps to the abyss With each passing day, more of the Anglo-American empire’s veneer falls away, revealing the violence at its core. Leading the charge in front of the United Nations, the mendacious President Barack Obama thundered: “No God condones this terror. There can be no reasoning—no negotiation—with this brand of evil. The only language understood by killers like this is the language of force.” Here was a performance directly out of the playbook of the Third Reich and Bush/Cheney, brimming with threats, false morality, pseudo-religious claptrap, and invective directed against the perceived enemies. Here was Obama being who he really is, a war criminal. The ghost of Hitler has to be envious. No God condones deceit. No God condones the terror of the Anglo-American empire’s war of conquest. No God condones the extermination of tens of thousands of lives in more than a decade of imperial conquest for oil. There is no reasoning—no negotiation—with the criminal leadership of an empire that will thrash and kill to the brink of extinction. There is no reasoning—no negotiation—warmongers who have wiped out entire swaths of humanity. There is no reasoning—no negotiation— with an empire so desperate and out of answers that gangsterism replaces the rule of law, and false flag operations constitute foreign policy. There is no reasoning with those who could, in the span of just a few months, set off false flag destabilizations in Syria, false flag operations in support of a neo-Nazi cabal in Ukraine, plan and cover up the false flag shootdown of Flight MH-17 (blamed on Russia), support the bombing and conquest of Gaza by Israel (blamed on Hamas, in the wake of the murder of Israeli teenagers by ISIL terrorists), and set off the “sudden” rise of the Islamic State. There is no reasoning—no negotiation— with an empire that must and will stop at nothing to control every inch of the Eurasian subcontinent, and destroy all opposition along the way, including potential nuclear confrontations with Russia and China. There is no reasoning—no negotiation— with the functionaries and enablers of this empire—in governments, in media, everywhere. There is also no reasoning—no negotiation— with the cognitively impaired sheeple. There is no reasoning—no negotiation— with the killers, the world planning orchestrators speaking the “language of force”; these “great men and women” who hold humanity in contempt. There is, indeed, no reasoning—no negotiation—with this brand of evil. .

I just read an article saying a photojournalist 33 yrs old came back to the US with Ebola for treatment.... Nebraska to be exact. The article said he was able to walk off the plane and onto the stretcher.... So my question is of course... were there other passengers on that plane.... did they know... was he infectious... etc etc... I remember when my mom got sick outside the US with kidney stones, not even remotely contagious... and my parents chartered a jet to fly them back to the US el pronto for US treatment.... This article didn't say if it was a charter or a commercial aircraft or.. what.... And it seems that several countries are receiving their citizens back to their respective countries, for Ebola treatment.... And it never says exactly what or how they are flying back home... This could go sideways rapidly... .

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Madrid (AFP) - A Spanish nurse has contracted Ebola after treating two patients who died from the disease at a Madrid hospital, the government said Monday, in the first known case of transmission outside of Africa. Related Stories Spanish nurse gets Ebola — it's the first infection outside of Africa Vox.com Spain repatriates from Sierra Leone priest diagnosed with Ebola Reuters Spanish nurse first person to be infected with Ebola outside Africa The Week (RSS) Two health workers in W. Africa cured of Ebola in Europe AFP Ebola toll passes 2,800 but 'contained' in Senegal, Nigeria: WHO Reuters Health Minister Ana Mato said an emergency protocol had been put in place after two tests confirmed the woman had been infected with the virus, which has claimed almost 3,500 lives in west Africa this year. "We are working to guarantee the safety of all citizens," she told a televised news conference. The woman was part of a medical team at Madrid's La Paz-Carlos III hospital that treated two elderly Spanish missionaries who died of Ebola shortly after they were repatriated to Spain from Africa in August and September. She began to feel ill on September 30 but did not go to hospital until Sunday complaining of a fever. The assistant nurse, who is married without children, is being treated in isolation at a hospital in Alcorcon, a southern Madrid suburb. View photos  A Spanish Defense Ministry photo shows aid workers and doctors transferring Catholic missionary Manu … Health authorities are trying to track down all the people she may have come in contact with since she became infected with Ebola, Madrid's primary healthcare director, Antonio Alemany, said at a news conference. The woman treated Spanish priest Miguel Pajares, 75, who was infected with Ebola in Liberia and died on August 12, as well as Manuel Garcia Viejo, 69, who was repatriated from Sierra Leone and died on September 25. Both missionaries were members of the Hospital Order of San Juan de Dios, a Roman Catholic group that runs a charity working with Ebola victims in Africa. - Repatriation deemed risky - Pajares was the first patient in the fast-spreading Ebola outbreak to be evacuated to Europe for treatment. He was hailed as a national hero by many in Spain for his work with Ebola patients. View photos  A Doctors Without Borders (MSF), health worker in protective clothing holds a child suspected of hav … The missionary was flown to Madrid on a specially equipped military Airbus A310 on August 7. The Spanish government's decision to repatriate Pajares prompted concern among health professionals who said that the nation's hospitals were not adequately equipped to handle the Ebola outbreak. A union that represents Spanish doctors, Amyts, called the repatriation "risky". "We are working to see if all the protocols which were established were strictly followed," Pastor told the news conference. "Spain follows all the recommendations of the World Health Organization," she added. View photos  A woman © reacts after her husband is suspected of dying from the Ebola virus, in the Liberian cap … Both missionaries were treated in isolation at La Paz-Carlos III hospital and the medical team that cared for them were closely monitored. The assistant nurse who is now also infected went on holiday the day after Garcia Viejo died on September 25. The Ebola virus causes fever, muscle pain, vomiting, diarrhoea and sometimes internal and external bleeding. It spreads through contact with the bodily fluids of someone who has the virus and the only way to stop an outbreak is to isolate those who are infected. There is no market-approved drug for treating Ebola yet, and no vaccine to prevent it. First case of Ebola contracted outside West Africa Play video  Of several prototype treatments in the pipeline, one dubbed ZMapp has been fast-tracked for use, developed by Mapp Biopharmaceutical in California, in conjunction with the US Army. Ebola has caused 3,439 deaths out of 7,478 cases across five west African nations -- Liberia, Guinea, Sierra Leone, Nigeria and Senegal, according to the latest tally from the World Health Organisation. Europe and the United States have also been touched by the disease but until now all the cases stemmed from people who caught the virus in west Africa. In the United States on Monday, health officials said a Liberian man diagnosed with Ebola in Texas had received an experimental drug called brincidofovir, the first time the medicine has been used to fight the virus. The man's condition worsened from serious to critical over the weekend. Also on Monday, the charity Doctors Without Borders (MSF) announced that a Norwegian employee had contracted Ebola in Sierra Leone and would be repatriated shortly. Another MSF worker, a French nurse, contracted the virus while volunteering in neighbouring Liberia but has been cured, according to the French government. French President Francois Hollande said before the Spanish case was revealed that France was ready to deal with any outbreak of Ebola on its soil. "We would be capable of providing treatment if any cases occur in France," he said.

Who is he waving at?!?! Yeah, like anyone is going to wave back...putz....

Thanks for the info Umbert..... the author manages to wrap up a whole lot of content in just a few paragraphs... and frankly, I didn't see that conclusion coming given the introduction paragraphs..... I do wish people would stop using the word capitalism... its becoming too much of a catch all word for something that vaguely exists and is morphing exponentially with every year... then people get all caught defending or protesting an economic system that has evolved into something else. Maybe if he would have used the term globalized corporates....I don't know, just not the pure state of capitalism like back in the Eisenhower days.... (good days) Huge chunks of this country... and its businesses are owned by individuals from other countries which in turn have nothing to do with capitalism at their economic base... Things like the pending Trans Pacific Partnership currently up before our elected will all but seal this evolved international infra structure which is market based to be sure, and internationalized wrapped up in corporate structures protected by international oversight... its slowly evolving outside the ability of most small business peeps to engage. Capitalism as it is generally understood here in the US... .. is not at all responsible for Ebola ... and to confuse capitalism as being the same things as the international corporatism that is evolving, ...puts the debate in the wrong place.... Indeed, true capitalism versus what's evolving, would save us on many fronts of intervention in some of this world craziness and would have actually done more to prevent what happened at that hospital...... There will always be rich and poor, but at least capitalism gave people a fairly equal shot at the same thing... and the gap between the two was not the huge gaping cavern it is today.... Other than that... I wonder if Presbyterian hospital is already cringing at being identified as the one who blew up ground zero turning this into the pandemic it will become...

Ahhhhhh, I'm sorry to drop in a bit more, I just want to make sure there is accuracy regarding Jewish holidays and customs, so there in no confusion about practice regarding some things I've read herein. . Regarding Sukkot (following Yom Kippur and one of the High Holidays) For the 40 years our ancestors wandered the Sinai Desert, they were often surrounded and shielded by miraculous "clouds of glory" hovering overhead, and protecting them from the nasty pitfalls and discomfort of a dangerous desert. So, we remember G-d's kindness and reaffirm our trust in G-d's foresight in His care and protection of us through the desert..... by living for 7 days in a hut (booth) called a Sukkah. There are strict laws governing how the sukkah (booth) is built. It must have a roof/ceiling...covered with vegetation, known as sechach.... raw, unfinished vegetable matter....usually being something like bamboo poles, evergreen branches, reeds, or corn stalks, etc etc... Indeed the sukkah must have more shade than sun inside. While the sukkah (booth) does have a roof/ceiling, the rule is that there should be nothing between your sukkah and the open sky. Meaning there should be no trees, canopies or roofs of any sort overhanging your sukkah .... coming between it and the sky..... Hopefully this all makes perfect sense given the nature of the holiday ... don't want to take up too much time about it on this thread And felt it important to say in making sure we're all on the same page consistent with the faith/ practice... thanks. And thanks GregP..... Blessings~~~..

For those interested, re: this period of time on our calendar. For Jewish people every seventh year is holy, just like every seventh day of the week. The Shemittah (Sabbatical) year is a year we devot to strengthening our bond with G‑d—specifically, honing our faith in His omnipotence and our trust in His kindness. This year, is a Shemittah year; 5775 since creation (Sept. 25, 2014–Sept. 13, 2015). Shemittah is literally "to release" and runs from Sept. 25, 2014, through Sept. 13, 2015. There are several aspects of the Shemittah: The Shemittah year waives all outstanding debts between Jewish debtors and creditors ( excluding the halachic mechanism of pruzbul circumvention) , and;, In the Shemittah year, the residents of the Land of Israel must completely desist from cultivating their fields. This includes relinquishing personal ownership of the fields, and whatever grows in those fields is shared as communal goods free for the taking by all. The bulk of the agricultural laws of Shemittah apply only within the Land of Israel. Those living outside Israel are likewise impacted though differently... by the Shemittah......There is also scripture regarding G-d taking care of His people during this time in terms of what they would eat, etc. It is a collective trust in the Creator. Summed up: During the Shemittah... this holy year.... As Jewish people we concentrate more on our spiritual mission in life, and a little less on our material pursuits. More on why we are needed, less on what we need. More on faith in G‑d, less on faith in our own talents and procedural abilities... Yom Kippur is our holiest day of the year....For us it commemorates the day when G‑d forgave the Jewish people for the sin of the Golden Calf. Moses spent 3 months on the mountain pleading with G-d to forgive us the Jewish people..... and on the tenth of Tishrei it was granted. From that moment on this date is known as the Day of Atonement, and is observed every year. It is on this day we are closest to G-d and closest to the pure embodiment essence of our own souls... It is (almost) a 26 hour day of atonement during which we fast, do not drink, etc abstainence. Before Yom Kippur we preform the Kaparot atonement service in prayerful hope for a sweet and abundant year. During Yom Kippur we have 5 distinct prayer services. While it is the most solemn day of our year, we are also joyful with confidence that G-d will accept our repentance, forgive our sins, and seal our verdict for the coming year of life, health and happiness. The fifth service, the Neilah,... the gates of heaven , which were open all day, will now be closed—with us on the inside The Holy Ark now closed, the service ends with joyful proclamation. Hear O Israel . . . G‑d is one, followed by a single blast of the shofar .... I'm leaving a lot out, but hopefully its enough to give a good general idea of what and why we do what we do during this time... and the general meaning therein... BTW Yom Kippur was 3-4 Oct 2014. It changes every year as to the specific day on the Gregorian calendar.... and is not a static date like for example Christmas which is always Dec 25th....It is also one of the High Holidays in case you've heard that term used, (by other than me in some commentary here on DV... ) ..

Very interesting..... certainly could correlate with the info that North Korea is actively chatting with South Korea as of past few days....

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Check this out.... From the Creepy Stuff, department.... The US patent on the Ebola virus was awarded 4 years ago, Patent # CA2741523A1 (having been initially filed it appears in 2008) The Patent owns ALL variants of Ebola EboBun with 70% or more of the viral protein sequences as specified in the patent..... specifically nucleotide sequence of at least 70%-99% identity to the SEQ ID patented virus EboBun. AND From my cursory read of the patent, it looks like the owner owns, all vaccine material, including everything from preparation of vaccines, compositions, any and all inventive immunogenic formulations, transportation of vaccines, containment/containers of vaccines, to kits used to dispense vaccines and on and on... Check out the first few paragraphs where you'll note the virus (invention) was deposited into the CDC,..... but was not acceptable for depositing into the American Type Culture Collection (ATCC), Manassas, Virginia, an International Depository Authority.... Ahhhh wot? Here's the patent link: http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1. Please help the cynic in me and tell me this recent outbreak is not the same strain.....

Winning?!?!?! Are you freaking kidding me this thread is about you winning??? What is it exactly you have won?? You've violated every single rule of engagement you demanded from others, never once meeting the threshold you set..... You presented a significant body of scientists who disagree, which indeed should absolutely be considered in any intelligent attempt to find answers, …...yet you did so with clear evidence you had no concept of what you were reading, if you even read any of it, in incorrectly asserting the findings were fact, … which you in turn had to capitalize as if that somehow made your assertion more valid, ….. dismissed an opposing body of knowledge with one sentence as if you had the education, credentials or expertise to do so..... and did so without even a modicum of the very same consideration and open mindedness you threw down as a demand from anyone questioning your beliefs..... incessantly used capital letters to highlight your summary judgments as if that somehow made them valid, or real.... showed a complete lack of even remotely understanding free-market capitalism.... and incredulously with cute little dollar signs, stated the World Bank has a vested interest, ..... as if that were some kind of news flash, that a bank would have a vested interest...... constantly reflected the belief that only one side of the discussion has a financial interest in the outcome... or that only one side would attempt to manipulate people's beliefs …presented as fact one of the most uneducated etymologies of the word Hoodwink imaginable, referenced a survey driven psychology study commenting on the obvious,... as if it had world implication and then summarized that study by absolutely incorrectly noting it was about language absent even a faint hint that you have any knowledge understanding or command of syntactic deconstruction, linguistic analysis, or cognitive science, as requisite references to your claim. And then by self-proclamation you call that winning???? Seriously?? Hey I can't help but admire your passion, and that goes a long way...and if the whole point of this thread was about you winning, and you believe in your heart that you actually won something, then by all means celebrate. I wasn't engaged on that level, and am totally down with your self-proclamation as the winner of whatever it was you wanted to win. And I know it appears we don't have the same understanding of what it means to win,.. or that a winner was even going to be declared...... Indeed, true, I was taken aback with the parameters, but I'm down with it now. We seemingly had very different reasons for being on this thread. Got it, I'm good with it...and... Wouldn't it be cool if you actually got a toaster or juicer as the prize? Well now that we have a proclaimed winner, no need to hang around...........thanks to those who gave input, and info for consideration....

Thanks guys for so tactfully pointing out how my words could be taken and misconstrued to mean something I clearly did not intend. To be clear Autistic Spectrum kids are not killers. One is not more prone to be a killer because of an Autistic Spectrum Disorder. No direct correlation between the two has ever been noted or shown otherwise....And I would sincerely regret anyone walking away with that misunderstanding based upon something I said. Anyone who's read my posts on this specific issue, knows I am adamantly opposed to using any mental health criterion as as an index for approving gun ownership. Those two things need to remain completely separate and I would oppose any effort to open that door. The only predictive variable with any merit in determining a future event, is past behavior. That said, anytime a mass casualty event occurs, those with the recognized professional expertise to do, try to figure out what if any patterns emerge. Maybe there is hope for prevention, maybe its an attempt to at least understand, so as to perhaps mitigate what if anything emerges. In the past one of the consistent factors emerging was that of bullying. The kids all had that to some degree in their background (10-15 years ago).... My comment which unfortunately could be misunderstood completely, focused upon the most recent subset of kids who happen to fall along the Autistic Spectrum Disorder continuum, ( generally toward Aspergers) AND who have spent hours playing violent video games day in day out for 3-4 hours AND who did so from approximately age 10-12 into their Teens, AND who did so alone (without an adult giving context and/or other kids), AND who evidenced a troubled relationship with their parents. Somewhere in a much earlier thread, I detailed the science behind this pattern. Basic to it was the notion that given our brains do not fully develop until age 25, hard wiring ANY kids brain with simulations consistent with those now used commonplace with the US Army, will likely lead to an increase in these incidents. The recent patterns most recently emerging suggest that kids with ASD/Aspergers IF exposed to ALL of the above variables, may be more at risk. And in any case, specific to these recent kids, there was way more going on besides the mere ownership of guns. However, no one should read that to mean it was ever stated that ASD kids kill because they are ASD kids. There is no truth in that.... And I would ask anyone reading this to be clear about that..... Don't walk away thinking there is some relationship that does not in fact exist..... I guess I would also clarify that a person with Autism (ASD) is not a person who is considered to be psychotic, personality disordered (sociopath) or even neurotic because they have been diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder... And further, there is also no known causal relationship between any of those disorders and violence resulting in murder because someone has one of those mental illnesses... the one exception being Anti-Social PD (psychopath) . . In addressing some of the other comments in general, it might be helpful to note that an adult brain is very different from a kid's brain in terms of where it is developmentally. By the time you're 25, your frontal lobes are pretty much physically developed and wired. To say you play war games without effect as an adult would make sense. You've likely developed a whole host of neurologically / physically connected brain matter that gives you the ability to accurately sort what you are doing. It's not as likely that you would hard wire your brain differently at that point. Quite the opposite is true for a kid. They might look act and respond like little adults, but their brains are not fully formed until they about 25 years old. I honestly don't care if adults play, or their kids play or whatever else anyone does regarding these games... everyone is free to choose.... (not to mention I get how hard it is to control playing them with teenage kids...). From my perspective, I would just suggest you are there with your kids, especially in their early teens in giving context to what they are doing... at least talk about it, draw distinctions, give adult input into the process of their integration of what they are doing...(kind of like what you were saying DinarCash) and limiting the hours that such that its not their sole activity,.... balance it with other stuff...Get em outside running about or some physical activity to balance the brain activity... I think any kid exposed to the variables listed above when combined together (not just one or a few, but combined) is at risk. I expect we will see an increase of this violence in kids. The research on that alone goes back to the 1950s. This is not new news. There may be an continuing emergent pattern suggesting some kids when exposed to those combined variables are at greater risk than others, but its only a matter of degrees if so, and at best. And that may have been an atypical pattern cluster and we may not see it emerge again, As our society evolves, so does the possibility for new patterns to emerge. And none of that eliminates all kinds of at risk possibilities relative to kids in general. Indeed, the whole issue of bullying carries far more impact as a pattern up to this point. Thanks again for pointing out that the way wrote my reply, could have led to the mistaken assumption I was saying something I was not.... Hopefully, I've clarified it without muddying it even more... Its late, but I didn't want to risk even one more person reading this thread and walking away with mistaken assumptions about a group of kids that is not true. If there are any questions or I have not made it clear, please let me know... I have no problem staying with this until its clarified to the point we all can walk away satisfied we are on the same page I believe we are... .

Wow, I can't believe this thread is still alive.... though I guess it's fun to pretend there is something magical thinking anyone here on DV has the expert credibility to actually and definitively answer the question, when the world is coming at it from so many different angles.... The Senate GOP majority leader report was indeed interesting, in citing the vast number of scientists disagreeing with findings that human impact contributes to the natural earth cycles of climate change. Hard to ignore to be sure. And even if it were available, I don't know that I would take the time now to wade through the credentials, and then the actual research models and methodology each used to do a side by side comparison.... I do know that one of the poster boys brought out to disagree with the climate change impact was indeed a physicist, however his research is in microbiological models centered around oncology. And he was among only a handful of those objecting about the assertion of his professional association that humans do impact natural cycles. But of course it would be simplistically naive to think that only journalistic commentary on one side of this debate is manipulative... That said, I certainly would not dismiss him necessarily, or an entire group (once reported as 400, now seems to be a 1000) of scientists who dispute the notion of human impact on natural cycles. In reciting what is believed to be scientific findings, lets be crystal clear about one thing. Any entry level graduate student, if not undergrad knows that scientific investigation does not ever ever set out to prove something as FACT. There is no such thing and you will not ever find it. Within this debate there is not indisputable fact on either side. That does not exist in scientific inquiry.... Indeed one would methologically reject the null hypothesis ... at best... in a pure research model... and thereafter infer what is true ... again on either side of this discussion... And in that inquiry the best you will ever get is probability.... We are dealing with probability on both sides of this.... probability models.... That is how science works... and apart from any belief that either side is bought and paid for, we either accept the rubics of scientific inquiry... or we don't... It can't be both ways... And if you are going to quote science, then understand you are quoting probability and probability models... Speaking of which, midst my quest for information, I called a buddy at MIT to chat about it all... He of course reminded me that the models are all built on some assumptions that have been filled in (on both sides people), in an effort to capture the data needed to run the models fully... Again, understand, neither side of this debate pulls that data out of thin air... they run probability models that generate statistical probabilities that are then plugged in.... In any event, as he reminds me, yeah, there are those who say in running the model we don't think its as bad as we thought it would be.... however, to be scientifically honest, they would likewise have to say, and it may be worse than we thought it would be... (and of course, its conversely true of statements on the other side of this). Scientific research is generally funded by grants or private donations/foundations. I personally can't reference any case of a scientist being wealthy enough to fund his/her long-term research without either funding source. I'm not sure why anyone believes that privately funded research is somehow more credible than that funded by grants. And I really don't understand why anyone would think that any or all of the research with an opposing view is not likewise funded by grants?!? Why would anyone think that? And in either case, frankly I would be highly suspect of any side funded exclusively through private donation (which by the way is not the case in this discussion). Membership in the professional societies/ organizations I'm in requires nomination for membership, advanced degrees, certified expertise and professional experience. Just the other day I got notice that two Fellows nominated me for membership in an yet another International Organization (hard science focus), based on brainiac criterion... not politics of any kind... ... I don't know what kind of professional organizations ya'll are involved in, but in my world, these are not social networks, hobby groups, or chit chat clubs. No one has a clue about the politics of another. Honest to G-d in heaven, politics is the LAST thing anyone even considers, let alone gives a royal rats tail about...Frankly most can't believe that anyone really believes that politics is meaningful or even matters on a practical level. In fact I was trying to describe to my friend some of the political debates that go on here in DV, and as I was talking, it dawned on me I was having difficulty even trying to find the words to describe it in a way that would make sense in his world. Politics is so far removed from the daily life of most hard core folks.... and some political agenda driving the results of hard science research is so far off their radar, one sounds like a total baboon trying to introduce it as a possibility.... It would be like introducing which brand of dryer sheet does one choose as somehow being relevant to research methodology. Yes people, .....generally speaking of science as a whole, professional science based organizations as a whole... and the community as a whole...does not include politics as the cornerstone of their work... And yes, there will always be those whose opinion is for sale, generally in how the question is posed more than how its answered... However, I can definitively say that I do not believe that the entire scientific community on either one of the two sides has been as a whole community, compromised to the point of abandoning the principles of science in order to manipulate findings one way or the other.... Given the nature of humans, I don't even think that is possible, let alone probable... So we're left with how to decide what to believe. I frankly and honestly don't give a rats about the politics. Everyone has an agenda, and I don't want to wade through some journalistic interpretation or sound bites telling me what is true. ... Personally, I want an organization of peer-reviewed expertise, structured with standardized criterion that is identifiable, attainable apart from perspective and open to all models of statistically significant probability. I want to see published parameters of participation ... how do you get in the club, do you have to do something to stay in the club and what is done with dissent of opinion.... For me, that place would be here as a starting point in meeting that criterion : http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/index.shtml And because it does not escape my attention that the GOP majority leader published a report of hundreds if not a thousand dissenting scientists, I want to know why they disagree. I hope to have the time to cross reference their work with the work of the professional organization of which many of the dissenters are members (I should say some of the more vocal dissenters). You ask for the science, I give you the science. No one on this thread has the expertise or credentials to simply dismiss over 700 authors from over 160 countries with a single sentence of dismissal. Everyone has skin in this game, on both sides of this. I don't think anyone is naive enough to believe only one side has a financial interest and the other is some shining light of altruism...Both have an economic interest... that's the problem... having to wade past that in hopes of getting down to the real questions and real answers addressing the most significant probability... At this point I have no idea who is right or who is wrong, ......or if its not in actuality somewhere in the middle... We do get into problems most times we frame a question as having only one answer in the form of right or wrong. Not to mention science does not formulate its questions in that kind of framework.... Frankly, I'm not even sure everyone is asking the same question (e.g., the query: is climate change a natural cycle or is it the product of human impact, is a very very different question from: given that climate change is a natural cycle, does human impact effect it, and if so how ... and all the variations therein). Seriously, I've noticed numerous times that someone will use an answer to one question to address an entirely different question as if they were the same. Further, I see debate about what is driving the question, as being somehow considered credible in refuting the scientifically derived answers. That is not a plausible nexus... one would have to look at the question being asked in order to infer there is influence, which in turn would drive the answer. One can not simply jump to the answer as being invalid. ... As far as liberty interests go, I can't get past NDAA and the PA and its direct impact here and now, enough to even begin to consider some indirect impact of a climate change.. There is a really ugly dragon staring us direct in the face right now... and the major parties of this country beat the commies to that end game before the commies could finger paint enough posters to even suggest it... With regard to this specific discussion, I don't have any answers, I'm still looking at the questions... who knows, I don't. Meantime, I'm going to go hang with Shabs and DD6 and dump a few things in the sand in the dead of night so I can wrap up this project and move to the next before I have to leave again...Hopefully it will be dark enough that no one sees the respirator... (I swapped out full face for half face for this portion of the mission in reducing that probability). And I remain no angel looking for answers...

Ciao Umbert!!! LTNS how ya doin bro.. Ya know I got nothin but love for ya and with sibs, aunts, uncles and cousins in Italy I think I get the sentiment of what you're saying... I could debate the nuance of the point you're making, however to do so would only further distance us from the point I was actually making by comparison.... I don't think here in the US there is an effort to ban guns by way of taking issue with the (believed) purpose for which they were made.... For example specific to the S/H incident, no one said, we should ban guns because they were made to kill. Instead efforts to ban them emerged from the belief that doing so would eliminate the consequence of using them.... Therein, in both cases of my comparative example, people focused upon the consequence, would be making efforts to ban the instrument leading to that consequence, without dealing with the root cause or human factors, without which, there would not have been said consequence.... Both can and have been instruments of death as result of inappropriate use. Targeting the consequence of death resulting from alcohol mixed with driving was not solved by banning alcohol or cars. Targeting the consequence of death resulting from guns mixed with autistic kids brains hardwired to violent video games, will not be solved by banning guns. And carrying it out further... there have been vehicle related deaths not involving alcohol... there have been gun related deaths not involving video hardwired autistic kids.... In both cases death was caused by careless, negligent, accidental or other human attribute. In both cases they have been purposefully used to kill. In both cases, we call that murder and deal with it (or manslaughter, or negligent homicide, or aggravated assault and so forth). And in both cases, banning the instrument of death absent focus on the underlying factors of human interaction, will not eliminate human violence against other humans. Ya want to stop gun related violence perpetuated by young autistic spectrum guys.... Then start looking at the video games hardwiring an otherwise socially disconnected kid, who is playing them daily for hours... ,

I can only reply from personal USAF experience, though I know I speak for many female rated military officers. We've been in the cockpit for decades. Some of us have been shot down and were recovered throughout those many years.... though I suspect in these times of internet a hungry press and the availability of data transmission from captors themselves, if that happens in current times, it would likely be all over the news. No one, man or woman climbs that ladder thinking they would be shot down.... (though we've all been trained well for that event)... And to be sure that argument floated around for years before women finally engaged combat by that means. And I would say now what I said then... it is abhorrent that any human would torture another and no man or woman should ever have to suffer that fate. However, as the UAE Major notes, we all have a responsibility, and some of us choose to answer it from within the cockpit of Fighter aircraft....

This guy totally cracked me up.... hadn't thought of that angle.. Hey ISIS You Were Bombed By a Muslim Woman !! Here is some actual footage of the UAE Air Force Major, quite clear about the mission And to the boyz at CNN,....she didn't just "take part".... she led the pack... ooo rah!!

Lady Marmalad ala Moulin Rouge...... ...... meets 2014....

Given the unintended consequences of those little efforts, I wish they'd at least wait until AFTER the big / good shows... everything good is gone before noon on the first day... How annoying on your day off to have to get up that early to now go stand in the really really long first door-opening line..... Its kind of cute though to see the little enterprising kids with their little wagons.... For 3.00 they'll haul all your stuff to the car for ya. Course that's 3.00 a trip.... How those little buggars are able to transport a metro center full of so many endless pallets worth of material so quickly, is beyond me. I'm guessing back fire was not part of initial plan.... I know it's kind of a "my bad" way to think, but I decided if I ever bought a manufacturing plant, the first ad money I'd spend would be to take out full page ads about a ban..... and then sit back and watch the stuff fly off the shelves... Course if there really was a will.... a desire to stop violence.... ban efforts are unquestionably targeting the wrong thing. That's like banning cars because drunk drivers kill people with them.....

Wow, interesting... I'm going to have to take a minute and run some things down... but that's just freaky..... Thanks for the post Mark!!.. Really interesting... How does that saying go, You know you will have succeeded in accomplishing... (something) when no one believes anything the government says.... One more nail in that plank...

Hey DM I checked it out.... course I wish he would have been a bit more detailed, but that was not his audience.... I did get his name and the name of his book so I'm going to chase that. Ya know my ideal would be the ability to do a side by side walk through. It looks like its going to take some effort to make sure people are asking the same question.... which you know drives the answer...either way of course.... . But at first glance, it looks like he did cover some of the high points, so I hope he quantifies that in his book... Also noticed a lot of other videos of the same genre of refuting, so I'm going to check those out.... I haven't watched youtube one way or the other on this issue..... (though I did just do a nice refresher on sweating copper having decided I'm going to fix my own day'um main shut off, instead of waiting for Willie Wonka to get to it.. ) In any event, thanks for tossing out a good starting place for that aspect of the science.... BTW, however this turns out, I'd still watch World Bank in terms of long term investment future planning... The "security" gravy train will have to eventually morph.... well I hope.... marching toward the country ending up in residence at FEMA camps is a real drag on free enterprise productivity

Thanks DM I'll check it out.... In the meantime, I don't know why I posted the UN link and not the World bank link. Apologies. (though I find it interesting that I was reading stuff from the World Bank and somehow ....I honestly have no idea what was the thought process or why,....I ended up in the UN for reference. I haven't read any of the replies to my last post, but will have to skim to see if anyone was sharp in busting me for referencing the World Bank and then citing the UN. You should have if you didnt... lol lol) Here's the link to the stuff (while doing something completely different) I just happened across, and which started this whole recent query for me.... I didn't know jack squat about any of it, and sadly, though admittedly, I frankly didn't care. Too many other emergent issues in front of me... so shoot me if ya want, but this was not one of them.... Here is the link to the WORLD BANK research: http://www.worldbank.org/en/research PS if one does not understand, (or somehow disagrees with) the fundamental mechanics of the world economy as being so intricately, inexplicably intertwined, ..that the failure of one major region would ultimately collapse the rest of the world into economic failure.....(e.g., Greece wasn't bailed out cause anyone necessarily cared about Greece, Greece was bailed out because it was a lynch pin in the grenade of the world economy) if one does not have and/or approach from that understanding, .... then the mission of the World Bank probably won't make sense.... Its not about humanitarian efforts to save the poor countries, its an understanding that to sustain and even grow any local economy, the world economy has to remain healthy. We couldn't pull the cord and extract ourselves economically from the world even if it was the will of the US to do so..... And if we don't have the fiscal participation and contribution of developing economies, (countries), there is nothing left to feed the developed ones...(the dinar from Iraq..... which is a developing country..... is feeding the economic dreams of many here on DV for example) A tough reality, just what is.. and how its wired up.... Don't think for a minute that the World Bank is not about making money... Just what is... PPS..... these studies are a major driver, of a major effort involving leaders of major countries to take action that will sustain the world economy, now and in the future..... and that was the driver that got my attention.... .