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  1. HERE is the article AND full UNDOCTORED video: https://www.aere.iastate.edu/alumni/kelly-smith/ Kelly Smith http://www.aere.iastate.edu/files/2014/12/Unknown-199x300.jpeg Kelly Smith at Mission Control in Houston during an EFT-1 simulation. As an aerospace systems technologist at the NASA Johnson Space Center, Kelly Smith wears a lot of hats. But this alum is used to juggling many responsibilities, just like he did as a student. While at ISU, Smith kept busy as a community advisor in the residence halls, busted a move as the mascot CY, and co-oped with NASA, all while studying hard as a student. Now, as an active member of the successful Orion mission, Smith continues his education and is involved in many different NASA missions. Describe a typical day. What are your job duties? I’m part of the first Orion flight control team as the Trajectory Officer, known as TRAJ in the Mission Control Center. As TRAJ, I support the Flight Dynamics Officer (FDO, pronounced “FIDO”) to maintain knowledge of the vehicle’s trajectory (flight path) for Orion’s first spaceflight test, called Exploration Flight Test 1, or EFT-1 for short. Everything at NASA has an acronym. I’m also a team member on the entry and navigation teams for Orion. The entry team focuses on the design of the entry trajectory and the guidance, navigation, and control design for all entry, descent, and landing systems. In layman’s terms, we basically are responsible for designing and implementing the auto-pilot for Orion to fly from the top of the atmosphere at 20,000 mph to the targeted landing site for a gentle 20 mph splashdown with parachutes. Although it looks just like a big metal gumdrop, Orion is actually flies like an airplane when it’s screaming through the atmosphere. It banks to control how far downrange it will fly. So although it doesn’t look much like the Space Shuttle, they fly using very similar principles. On the navigation team, we’re responsible for making sure Orion knows where it is, how fast it’s moving, and its orientation. To do this, Orion uses a GPS receiver, inertial measurement units, and barometric altimeters. Orion combines all of this information to estimate its location, speed, and attitude (aerospace-speak for orientation, not its temperament). I also work on the Mars 2020 project in collaboration with NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory. I’m a team member of the Cruise, Entry, Descent, & Landing team responsible for the entry guidance algorithm, the part of the software responsible for steering it to land at its target on Mars when flying in the atmosphere. What was the most valuable thing you learned as an aerospace engineering undergrad? I had to learn to be resilient. It was the first time I had academically struggled, and it was bewildering as a freshman to work hard and not ace a test. The experience helped me grow tremendously. What is your fondest memory of your time as an undergrad? My fondest memories at ISU were spending countless hours in the AerE computer labs with my friends where we all struggled to finish our problem sets, being Cy for a summer and a fall semester, and the great people I met as a community advisor for 3 years in the dorms. How did you land your job? I received a co-op offer after interviewing with NASA recruiters at the ISU Engineering Job Fair. After I co-oped 4 times at NASA, I received a job offer in my senior year. I’ve been at NASA full-time since May 2010. Where do you hope to be in the next five years? I’d like to continue expanding my technical knowledge base as a GN&C engineer with the hopes of working toward a master’s degree. Check out this NASA video of Kelly Smith talking about Orion. NOWHERE in the video is made mention the radiation belt had NOT been traversed BEFORE BY HUMANS. Radiation effects WERE WELL KNOWN AND ACCOUNTED FOR DURING THE PREVIOUS MANNED FLIGHTS TO THE MOON EVEN ON THE MOON. Radiation shielding materials were used to protect the astronauts AFTER having been tested BEFORE the astronauts were exposed to the radiation. ALSO................................................................ The astronauts TRAVERSED THROUGH the radiation belt NOT ORBITED IN THE RADIATION BELT SO THE ASTRONAUTS HAD LIMITED AND GREATLY MINIMIZED EXPOSURE TO THE RADIATION. Gallium Arsenide is a semiconductor with nominally ten (10) times the resilience to radiation compared to Silicon AND could be a computing material used on these missions. The ORION Project is LIKELY a far more in depth and expansive study to gain a broader body of knowledge for future Moon AND Mars missions TO INCLUDE humans. The ORION Project has materials AND technologies NOT available during the Gemini AND Apollo Missions SO LIKELY are being further tested for compatibility FOR human exposure limits for Moon AND Mars human missions.
  2. Sure. We should take pretty much EVERYTHING to God. Even the roast beef or chicken salad sandwich choice. HE may say, "You choose." The Earth being Flat (Biblical FALSE Doctrine) or SPHERICAL (geoidal) (the REAL shape of the Earth) is NOT a matter of personal choice BUT a discovery as a basis for understanding laying a foundation of understanding for further discovery that doesn't change. Sure. Take a look when new phenomena are CLEARLY experienced. However, STUPID Flat Earth "proofs" DENY: Light direction transitions at the interface of differing media with differing indexes of refraction. Gravity is real. Constant angular and/or translational velocity is the basis for NOT experiencing calculable seemingly astronomical projections (acceleration or deceleration). Planes fly in a generally upright position and always have an upright position in normal flight no matter what position in the sky above the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth since gravity is oriented to the center of the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth. There are NO Global Positioning System Satellites orbiting the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth in regular AND predictable orbital positions relative to the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth. Satellites are able to orbit the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth in regular AND predictable orbital positions relative to the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth without the constant expulsion of fuel. The sun rises or sets. Amature astronomers are able to observe celestial bodies to note their shapes (SPHERICAL) and their trajectory in space. Additionally, software is available to predict the position of these celestial bodies whether it be planets AROUND the sun AND/OR moons around the planet. The software ALSO projects the position of the celestial bodies AND the view from ANY point on the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth AT ANY DATE OR TIME. Flat Earth philosophies are a REAL practice to dumb people down to get more Liberal "thinkers" AND OTHER "useful" "idiots". Flat Earthers are LIARS AND concoct THEIR FALSE "evidence" in an attempt to dumb others down and to join their "woke" ranks. Flat Earthers LOVE LIES AND HATE THE TRUTH. BigLIE has been LYING this WHOLE thread. So, WHY, pray tell, DENY REALITY AND CHOOSE ONE OR MORE LIES???!!! After all, I COULD say: NO bird sings. Bees do NOT make honey. There are NO waves on the ocean. There is NO electricity. The food production chain starts at the grocery store. Four leaf clovers have a redeemable cash value at select financial institutions. Test grades are ALL made up. Molten metal does NOT fuse. Well, OK, the list could go on and on and on and on and so on. The point is there are multiple ways to support the nature of a given physical phenomena PROVIDED the associated ways are properly applied. Flat Earth LIES (of course) misconstrue these relevant physical phenomena ATTEMPTING to disprove an ACTUAL SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth. This is what I would do If I were You, LadyGrace'sDaddy, or anyone else holding to Biblical FALSE Doctrine to INCLUDE Flat Earth "beliefs" AND their "source(s)": 1 John 4:1-3 New International Version On Denying the Incarnation 4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. https://physicsworld.com/a/fighting-flat-earth-theory/ Fighting flat-Earth theory 14 Jul 2020 Taken from the July 2020 issue of Physics World. Members of the Institute of Physics can enjoy the full issue via the Physics World app. Physicists will find it shocking, but there are plenty of people around the world who genuinely believe the Earth is flat. Rachel Brazil explores why such views are increasingly taking hold and how the physics community should best respond (Courtesy: Claus Lunau/Science Photo Library) In 2017 the US rapper B.o.B (real name Bobby Ray Simmons Jr) started a crowd-funding campaign to launch a satellite. The rapper, a vocal proponent of “flat-Earth theory”, wanted to seek evidence that our planet is a disc, not a globe. His aim was to raise $200,000 (later upped to $1m) on the soliciting-of-any-kind-is-not-allowed website, with the aim of sending one or more craft into space to help him “find the curve” – the term that “flat-Earthers” use to describe the edge of our supposed disc-shaped planet. The rapper’s quest may seem like a joke or publicity stunt. Indeed, there’s currently no evidence that B.o.B raised much money or got anywhere near his goal. However, in the last few years there has been an alarming rise in the number of people who, like B.o.B, believe in flat-Earth theories. There’s now an annual flat-Earth conference in the US – the most recent of which was attended by more than 600 people – while YouTube is full of videos purporting to provide evidence that the Earth is flat. Physicists may mock the notion of a flat Earth, but the idea is gaining traction, particularly among people susceptible to other conspiracy theories. “They actually really do believe it,” says Lee McIntyre, a philosopher from Boston University and an expert in the phenomenon of science denial, whose books include Respecting Truth: Wilful Ignorance in the Internet Age (Routledge, 2015). McIntyre knows first-hand how sincerely flat-Earthers hold their views: he attended the 2018 Flat Earth International Conference in Denver, Colorado. Asheley Landrum, a psychologist from Texas Tech University who was also at the Denver meeting, agrees that flat-Earthers are genuine, and not goofing around. “If they were [trolling], they are very good actors,” she says. “We talked to more than 90 members of the flat-Earth community and they’re all very sincere in their beliefs”. Lectures at the Denver event included “Talking to your family and friends about flat Earth”, “NASA and other space lies” and “14+ ways the Bible says flat Earth”. Flat-Earth ideas are based on basic scientific misunderstandings that can be easily refuted. For most people, even those who have no physics background, the evidence for a spherical Earth is obvious. So we need to ask ourselves why these ideas still persist in the 21st century and, perhaps more importantly for the physics community: how exactly should we respond? A circular history The idea that the Earth is a sphere was all but settled by ancient Greek philosophers such as Aristotle (384–322 BC), who obtained empirical evidence after travelling to Egypt and seeing new constellations of stars. Eratosthenes, in the third century BC, became the first person to calculate the circumference of the Earth. Islamic scholars made further advanced measurements from about the 9th century AD onwards, while European navigators circled the Earth in the 16th century. Images from space were final proof, if any were needed. Today’s flat-Earth believers are not, though, the first to doubt what seems unquestionable. The notion of a flat Earth initially resurfaced in the 1800s as a backlash to scientific progress, especially among those who wished to return to biblical literalism. Perhaps the most famous proponent was the British writer Samuel Rowbotham (1816–1884). He proposed the Earth is a flat immovable disc, centred at the North Pole, with Antarctica replaced by an ice wall at the disc’s outer boundary. The International Flat Earth Research Society, which was set up in 1956 by Samuel Shenton, a signwriter living in Dover, UK, was regarded by many people as merely a symbol of British eccentricity – amusing and of little consequence. But in the early 2000s, with the Internet now a well-established vehicle for off-beat views, the idea began to bubble up again, mostly in the US. Discussions sprouted in online forums, the Flat Earth Society was relaunched in October 2009 and the annual flat-Earth conference began in earnest. Round impact One manifestation of the Earth being spherical is that low-pressure weather systems rotate anti-clockwise in the northern hemisphere due to the Coriolis effect. (Courtesy: Jacques Descloitres, MODIS Rapid Response Team, NASA/GSFC) As with any fringe movement there are disagreements and several different flat-Earth models exist to choose from. Some models propose that the Earth’s edges are surrounded by a wall of ice holding in the oceans. Others suggest our flat planet and its atmosphere are encased in a huge, hemispherical snow globe from which nothing can fall off the edges. To account for night and day, most flat-Earthers think the Sun moves in circles around the North Pole, with its light acting like a spotlight. The most recent “US model”, for example, suggests that the Sun and Moon are 50 km in diameter and circle the disc-shaped Earth at a height of 5500 km, with the stars above this on a rotating dome. Many flat-Earthers also reject gravity, with the “UK model” suggesting that the disc is itself accelerating up at 9.8 m/s2 to give the illusion of gravity. Physicists will scoff at these ideas, but the worrying thing is that they are spreading rapidly and gaining proponents outside America too. “While they may not be as many [in Europe], they are as loud as their colleagues in the US,” says Jan Slegr, a physicist from the University of Hradec Králové in the Czech Republic, who in 2018 co-authored a paper outlining ways for teachers and others to confront outlandish flat-Earth ideas with physics (Phys. Educ. 53 045014). Such efforts are important. Alarming polling data by the firm Datafolha, for example, indicate that 7% of the Brazilian population – some 11 million people – believe that the Earth is flat. This shocking number has been attributed to a resurgent evangelical Christian church, but there are also signs that religious fundamentalism is spreading these ideas in Islamic countries too. In 2017 the website Jeune-Afrique reported that a geology student in Tunisia was intending to submit a PhD defending her work on a flat-Earth model. Conspiracy mentality It would be easy to dismiss flat-Earthers as simply being misguided due to a lack of education. While there are indications that those susceptible to such views have low levels of scientific literacy, Landrum at Texas Tech says that flat-Earthers aren’t necessarily people who don’t believe in science. “It’s not really an education thing,” she says. “It really is about distrusting authorities and institutions. [It] seems to be based on both a conspiracy mentality and a deeply held belief that looks a lot like religiosity but isn’t necessarily specifically tied to a religion”. Landrum thinks this conspiracy mentality is linked to science denial and a susceptibility to believing deceptive claims on social media (Politics and the Life Sciences 38 193). No longer the domain of a “foil-hat-wearing fringe”, she believes those with a conspiracy mentality have lost the ability to judge when to trust and when to be a sceptic. Their lack of trust in authority includes not just scientists but scientific bodies such as NASA, all of whom (they think) are part of a massive conspiracy to prevent the flat-Earth truth being revealed. “[They] view the world through this really dark filter where [they] assume that all authorities and institutions and corporations are just there to exploit you.” McIntyre adds that the flat-Earthers he interacted with each believed a selection of conspiracy theories, including that governments control the weather and that chem-trails from aeroplanes consist of chemical or biological agents. “The only one I found that they all believed,” he says, “was that we hadn’t gone to the Moon. If you offer them back evidence, like the view of the Earth from the Moon, they say it’s fake.” Indeed, many flat-Earthers are more invested in the idea of a conspiracy than in providing a workable model of a flat Earth. READ MORE Why do people still believe in conspiracy theories? Nikk Effingham, a philosopher at the University of Birmingham in the UK who has met flat-Earthers at a London meet-up, says that we often don’t recognize the extent to which confidence in authority shapes our beliefs. “When we try and prove something like the Earth being round, because it’s a belief that we are so sure of, we under-play the justified role of authority in that,” he says. Most people are therefore comfortable accepting the world is a globe, even if they can’t immediately recount the scientific evidence. But that’s not the case for those mired in a conspiracy mentality. What’s also clear is that the rise in flat-Earth beliefs has been fuelled by the Internet and YouTube videos in particular. “Almost everybody that we spoke to said that either they were directly exposed to flat Earth on YouTube or they were exposed to it via a family member who was exposed to it on YouTube,” says Landrum. Flat-Earth videos often present numerous arguments in rapid succession with what Landrum dubs “an illusion of fluency”. Key to the videos’ success has also been the algorithms that serve them up to viewers of other conspiracy-related content. “The algorithms facilitate the normalizing of conspiracies and the feeling of a consensus within your community,” explains Landrum. “Flat Earth is just another example of that.” In 2019 YouTube did acknowledge the problem and said it would be tweaking its algorithm to reduce its recommendations of conspiracy-theory videos. But the fact remains that the videos are still on its platform. Proving the Earth isn’t flat It was McIntyre’s work on science denial that led him to the 2018 flat-Earth conference in Denver, where delegates spent time discussing the “evidence” and finer details of their theory as well as the supposed conspiracy that flat-Earthers believe is shielding their ideas from the wider public. “I thought that if I could understand how to push back against flat-Earthers, I could use the same techniques to fight back against climate-change deniers and anti-vaxxers,” he says. After all, their ideas are all generally based on fallacies and misunderstanding of science. “Some of the flat-Earthers know enough physics to throw around the vocabulary, but they don’t actually understand enough physics to be compelled by the truth.” Time curve The plane of a free-swinging Foucault’s pendulum shifts with time, proving that the Earth is round. (Courtesy: iStock/Meinzahn) But even without the visual confirmation of pictures taken from space, many of the arguments used by flat-Earth proponents can be easily dismissed with trigonometry or basic physical laws. A good place to start is with a Foucault’s pendulum, the device named after the French physicist Léon Foucault, who in 1851 famously hung a heavy 28 kg brass bob from a 67 m chain in the Panthéon in Paris. Such a pendulum, which can swing in any plane, changes direction during the course of a day, yielding direct evidence of the Earth’s rotation. (Though as Slegr points out, that hasn’t stopped some flat-Earthers claiming that all Foucault pendulums are fraudulent and that museums use magnetic coils to turn the plane of the pendulum’s rotation to make the Earth seem to rotate.) Another phenomenon that proves the Earth is a spinning globe is the Coriolis force, which acts perpendicular to the direction of motion of a spinning mass. This force leads to cylones swirling clockwise in the southern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere; through the direction of winds, it also impacts ocean currents. Long-range military snipers even have to make allowance for deflections caused by the Coriolis effect. Indeed, as Slegr points out, getting physics students to explain the evidence for a spherical spinning Earth is a great critical-thinking exercise. But that deep critical thinking is what’s often missing among flat-Earthers. Consider photos of distant skylines, which are often wheeled out as “proof” that the Earth is flat. In his interactions with flat-Earth theorists, McIntyre was commonly shown a picture of Chicago, taken from Lake Michigan, in which the city’s skyscrapers are clearly visible despite being viewed from a distance of 100 km out. “Given the curvature of the Earth, you shouldn’t [in principle] be able to see the skyline of the city from that far out,” he says. The reason the buildings are visible, as McIntyre knows, lies in the fact that air directly above the water’s surface is colder than the air higher up. This inverse temperature gradient means that light rays refract toward the colder, denser air, allowing an image of the reflected skyline, formed on the water below the horizon, to appear almost hovering above the horizon (figure 1). This notion can easily be verified by taking a photo even further away, where the “superior mirage” will disappear. 1 Why distant skyscrapers are visible despite the curvature of the Earth (© Sam Cornwell, 2008) This photo was taken from Mount Baldy in Indiana Dunes National Park on the south-east coast of Lake Michigan, roughly 60 km across the water from the city of Chicago, which lies on the opposite bank. At that distance, Chicago’s skyline should not be visible as the curvature of the Earth takes it beyond the horizon. The fact that the buildings are visible is in fact simply a mirage. Mirages are usually created when a cold, dense layer of air sits above a layer of warmer, less dense air, for example when the Sun beats down on a black road on a hot summer’s day. The warm ground heats the bottom few centimetres of air, refracting sunlight up to your eyes to create an “inferior mirage”. But if a layer of warm air sits above your line of sight, with a cool layer beneath, you get a “superior mirage”. Light bends down towards the denser air, but because our eyes assume the light has travelled in a straight line, the object appears higher than it is. The effect also explains why a far-off ship can be seen even though it might have dipped below the horizon. It can even make distant boats appear to float in the air. (CC-BY-SA / Ludovica Lorenzelli, DensityDesign Research Lab) But, as McIntyre found, this type of reasoning is unlikely to convince flat-Earthers. “They seem to have a very low standard of evidence for what they want to believe but an impossibly high standard of evidence for what they don’t want to believe.” One of their key experimental tools is a Nikon P900 camera with a ×83 optical zoom, in which flat-Earthers place an almost religious faith. Able to capture details not visible to the naked eye, they hope to use it to show that objects don’t disappear over the horizon but come back into view when examined at high enough resolution. McIntyre described his frustrations with flat-Earthers in a paper last year in the American Journal of Physics (87 694), in which he challenged physicists to come up with simple, straightforward answers to refute the “evidence” for a flat Earth that could be understood by a general audience. Someone who rose to the bait was retired physicist Bruce Sherwood, who realized that “just citing the scientific facts is not going to convince anybody”. Instead, given that flat-Earthers place so much emphasis on naked-eye observations, he and colleague Derek Roff decided to create a navigable 3D computer simulation of a flat Earth to see how well it could replicate what we see. Based on the US version of the flat-Earth model, it allows anyone to virtually roam a flat world. “Walking round in it, there were many things that show tremendous discrepancies,” says Sherwood. One of the major problems is the size and brightness of the Sun. In the flat-Earth model this varies by more than a factor of two from sunrise to midday, something we obviously do not see. The night sky also differs. In the northern hemisphere we see constellations rising in the east and arcing across the sky but in the flat-Earth model they would just circle at a constant height. “What [Sherwood] has created is something that’s much harder for [flat-Earth proponents] to laugh off, because it takes their own views seriously, [and] traces out the consequences,” says McIntyre. “I think that on this basis, other physicists can go out and help to push.” Dangerous liaisons From McIntyre’s perspective, flat-Earth conspiracies are a danger and need confronting. “Maybe 10 or 20 years ago, I would have said, just laugh at them, how much traction are they going to get? I no longer feel that way.” If these ideas are not challenged, he fears that as with supporters of “intelligent design”, proponents of a flat Earth will start running for US school boards, looking to push their ideas into the US education system. “The sort of reasoning that they use is infectious and if you don’t push back against them, it just gets worse and they’re able to recruit new members,” he warns. READ MORE A flat-Earth fight, an inconsistent Hubble constant, and carbon atoms at a graphene ‘watering hole’ But Effingham, who has also interacted with flat-Earthers on Facebook, wonders if physics is the place to start combating these conspiracy-based ideas. “I’m not saying that the perfect formula doesn’t have some kind of physics argument in it, but just turning on a YouTube video of physics lectures is not going to do it.” Instead, Effingham has tried to get flat-Earthers to understand that, by watching YouTube videos, they too are slavishly following an authority – not a scientific authority, but the authority of whoever is proposing the conspiracy theories they subscribe to. Effingham also tries to point out their inconsistencies. “Every position they took required a different view of the conspiracy, and required the conspiracy to be bigger or smaller, and it was impossible to get a consistent conspiracy going that explained everything.” McIntyre, for example, recalls asking one flat-Earther why planes flying over Antarctica from, say, Chile to New Zealand don’t have to refuel, which they’d have to if the continent were (as they believe) an ice wall tens of thousands of kilometres long. He was simply told that planes can fly on one tank of fuel and refuelling planes could just be a giant hoax to stop us realizing that the Earth is flat. Joining forces The rise in flat-Earth beliefs is partly due to the erosion of trust in science, which will require action on the part of scientists to rebuild. (Courtesy: iStock/prawny) Landrum agrees the underlying problem is one of trust rather than physics. “We really should figure out as a scientific community, and as a society as a whole, how we can start building back trust in our organizations and institutions.” And she feels we need to do this face-to-face. “I don’t mean go yell at them on Twitter – that’s not engaging.” It’s also vital, she says, for scientists not to patronize flat-Earthers but to take questions seriously. That may seem like an excruciatingly painful process, but a necessary one, for people to gain trust in science as an institution again. A level of sustained personal engagement can change minds. “It does work to push back against science deniers,” argues McIntyre, pointing to current NASA boss Jim Bridenstine. He was appointed by Donald Trump in 2018 and was known to have disputed climate change. “[But] once [he] became head of NASA, within a matter of two months or so, he changed his mind on climate change, and publicly said, ‘I was wrong’,” says McIntyre. The difference was that the evidence was presented to him by scientists he had grown to trust. Oddly, Landrum says that many flat-Earthers may distrust scientists, but they are not against the scientific method. “The majority of them put a lot of faith, for lack of a better word, in science. There’s a lot of curiosity and a lot of scepticism and a lot of the really good qualities that make scientists.” But while the spirit of experimentation may be there, flat-Earthers are not always prepared to change their minds when their experiments fail. And that’s why McIntrye hopes some physicists might go with him to future flat-Earth conferences. “I think that physicists need to be more involved,” he says. “There’s really no excuse for us to just sit back and laugh at them. Because while we’re laughing, they are recruiting people to believe these crazy things.”
  3. I ask for HIS wisdom and discernment. If by Scripture I believe what is wrong, then I repent. Facts are for the realm of facts. Opinions are for the realm of opinion. Opinions are not for the realm of facts. Facts in the realm of opinion are unwelcomed by the baselessly opinionated. The Earth is NOT Flat NOR does the Bible EVER indicate the Earth is Flat. Doesn't the LIE of a Flat Earth concern You? The Flat Earth "postulations" are ALL dismissed by ACTUAL physical phenomena noted. Flat Earth "proofs" are doctored, LIES, AND DECEPTION. For THIS Flat Earth "postulation" to be real, the Sun AND Moon would each HAVE to pass through some kind of light blocking curtain OFF the horizon. The Scripture is CLEAR the Sun RISES AND SETS LIKE WE PHYSICALLY VIEW TODAY. Are YOU REALLY that comfortable with the OBVIOUS LIE OF A Flat Earth? Do YOU believe in a Flat Sun AND Flat Moon, too, instead of the Sun AND Moon being ACTUALLY SPHERICAL in shape?
  4. I have been extensively vaccinated. Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, and Hepatitis C. Among I do not know how many others. Get my MMR and DDT boosters, too, when needed or whatever other boosters I am scheduled for. Hepatitis C vaccinations have risks explained to me. I could be wrong where, if I remember right, nominally five (5) % of those vaccinated with the Hepatitis C vaccine suffered some type of ill effect - acute or chronic - even death. I had the Hepatitis C Vaccination several years ago and do not know of any ill effects from the vaccination. The COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine has overwhelming concerns on the massive ill effects of the mRNA active agents that could lead to death when reexposed to COVID-19 or nominal twenty (20) other known contagions that could trigger the mortal effect(s). Even if the chronic effects were a five (5) percent mortality rate for those vaccinated with the COVID-19 Vaccine, I wouldn't want our Border Patrol, National Guard, Police, AND/OR Military taking this COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine. I shudder at the collateral damage these missing cherished people will have with no ready replenishments available. The effects a few months to a few years could be devastating to our Military readiness especially since the Young Men AND Women are now being, or may be, vaccinated with the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine. COVID-19 has NEVER been an issue. Influenza, pneumonia, and heart disease (for example) have drastically unreported while COVID-19 reporting has been exaggerated due to the medical facilities receiving funding for reporting COVID-19 cases. ESPECAILLY falsely. The hospitalization and death rate from COVID-19 is going down and the Influenza, pneumonia, and heart disease rate is going back up due to the money pulled from medical facilities to fund the COVID-19 reporting and will continue to do so as people get vaccinated so the COVID-19 mRNA will appear to be a savior until likely October/November when those vaccinated will begin to experience the debilitating to mortal effects of the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccnation. Then yet ANOTHER LIE AND FALSE remedy.
  5. The Holy Spirit does NOT conflict Scripture. Flat Earth FALSE Doctrine conflicts with Scripture. After all the evidence both Biblical and physical from simple observation shows a SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth. The "entertaining" Flat Earth "postulations" are entertainment at best and Bible FALSE Doctrine in REALITY based on the evidence noted. What happens is beliefs in FALSE Doctrine leads to the point where TRUTH is no longer discernable. In Love, I do NOT want THAT to happen to You, LadyGrace'sDaddy, or anyone else. 1 Timothy 4:1-2 New International Version 4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. Jude 17-23 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition 17 But you must remember, beloved, the predictions which were made by the apostles (the special messengers) of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One). 18 They told you beforehand, In the last days (in the end time) there will be scoffers [who seek to gratify their own unholy desires], following after their own ungodly passions. 19 It is these who are [agitators] setting up distinctions and causing divisions—merely sensual [creatures, carnal, worldly-minded people], devoid of the [Holy] Spirit and destitute of any higher spiritual life. 20 But you, beloved, build yourselves up [founded] on your most holy faith [[a]make progress, rise like an edifice higher and higher], praying in the Holy Spirit; 21 Guard and keep yourselves in the love of God; expect and patiently wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah)—[which will bring you] unto life eternal. 22 And refute [so as to] convict some who dispute with you, and on some have mercy who waver and doubt. 23 [Strive to] save others, snatching [them] out of [the] fire; on others take pity [but] with fear, loathing even the garment spotted by the flesh and polluted by their sensuality. Read full chapter Footnotes Jude 1:20 Joseph Thayer, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament. The REALITY is the Earth is SPHERICAL (geoidal) in shape based on the Biblical AND physical evidence. Those who "postulate" the Earth is Flat are given in to Biblical FALSE Doctrine are on THEIR way to having THEIR consciences seared. I do NOT want to see THAT happen.
  6. 1 Timothy 1:3-7 New International Version Timothy Charged to Oppose False Teachers 3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. So, OK, LadyGrace'sDaddy, does Biblical FALSE Doctrine like that of the Earth being Flat concern You at ALL???!!! The BigLIE, one of them, was noted AND pointed out YET: Please note the third party videos I posted earlier on in this thread that give very clear explanations (facts) of how and why the Flat Earth "proofs" are nonsensical postulations if my actual and factual explanations are inadequate to give a clear understanding and support for my consistently stable and tenable position. If challenged, I will explain things as clearly as I can in an accurate and factual way whether or NOT the ENTIRELY "intellectually" "challenged" have an opinion misaligned with actual facts. I trust DinarVets values actual facts far above misaligned opinions with actual facts especially those misaligned opinions of baseless and/or fictitious origin used as a basis for badgering rhetoric against facts expressed in a reasonably Decent, Reasonous, AND, of course, Common Sense way. AND YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, are OK with the Flat Earth Biblical FALSE Doctrine, LIES, AND DECEPTION???!!! Doesn't the Biblical FALSE Doctrine anger You, LadyGrace'sDaddy, because a Flat Earth is a LIE???!!! Aren't YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, the liberal not being angered by the LIE of the Flat Earth that misconstrues Biblical TRUTH???!!! Could You explain WHY, pray tell???!!! Do LIES, like a Flat Earth, even concern You???!!! Isn't THAT YOUR, LadyGrace'sDaddy, weakness to be unconcerned about Biblical FALSE Doctrine???!!! OK, YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, brought up the same point TWICE. SAME questions YOU need to answer. AND YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, are OK with the Flat Earth Biblical FALSE Doctrine, LIES, AND DECEPTION???!!! Doesn't the Biblical FALSE Doctrine anger You, LadyGrace'sDaddy, because a Flat Earth is a LIE???!!! Aren't YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, the liberal not being angered by the LIE of the Flat Earth that misconstrues Biblical TRUTH???!!! Could You explain WHY, pray tell???!!! Do LIES, like a Flat Earth, even concern You???!!! Isn't THAT YOUR, LadyGrace'sDaddy, weakness to be unconcerned about Biblical FALSE Doctrine???!!! Titus 1:12-16 New International Version 12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[a] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good. Read full chapter Footnotes Titus 1:12 From the Cretan philosopher Epimenides 1 Timothy 6:19-21 New International Version 19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life. 20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith. Grace be with you all. Jeremiah 5:30-31 New International Version 30 “A horrible and shocking thing has happened in the land: 31 The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end? 2 Thessalonians 2:09-12 New International Version 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. OBVIOUSLY, NO FLAT EARTH IS EVER NOTED IN THE BIBLE WHEREAS A SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth IS NOTED IN THE BIBLE: Isaiah 40:21-22 New English Translation 21 Do you not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told to you since the very beginning? Have you not understood from the time the earth’s foundations were made? 22 He is the one who sits on the earth’s horizon;[a] its inhabitants are like grasshoppers before him.[b] He is the one who stretches out the sky like a thin curtain,[c] and spreads it out[d] like a pitched tent.[e] Read full chapter Footnotes Isaiah 40:22 tn Heb “the circle of the earth” (so KJV, NIV, NRSV, NLT). Isaiah 40:22 tn The words “before him” are supplied in the translation for clarification. Isaiah 40:22 tn The otherwise unattested noun דֹּק (doq), translated here “thin curtain,” is apparently derived from the verbal root דקק (“crush”) from which is derived the adjective דַּק (daq, “thin”; see HALOT 229 s.v. דקק). The nuance “curtain” is implied from the parallelism (see “tent” in the next line). Isaiah 40:22 tn The meaning of the otherwise unattested verb מָתַח (matakh, “spread out”) is determined from the parallelism (note the corresponding verb “stretch out” in the previous line) and supported by later Hebrew and Aramaic cognates. See HALOT 654 s.v. *מתה. Isaiah 40:22 tn Heb “like a tent [in which] to live”; NAB, NASB “like a tent to dwell (live NIV, NRSV) in.” Exodus 14:27 New English Translation 27 So Moses extended his hand toward the sea, and the sea returned to its normal state[a] when the sun began to rise.[b] Now the Egyptians were fleeing[c] before it, but the Lord overthrew[d] the Egyptians in the middle of the sea. Read full chapter Footnotes Exodus 14:27 tn The Hebrew term לְאֵיתָנוֹ (leʾetano) means “to its place,” or better, “to its perennial state.” The point is that the sea here had a normal level, and now when the Egyptians were in the sea on the dry ground the water would return to that level. Exodus 14:27 tn Heb “at the turning of the morning”; NASB, NIV, TEV, CEV “at daybreak.” Exodus 14:27 tn The clause begins with the disjunctive vav (ו) on the noun, signaling either a circumstantial clause or a new beginning. It could be rendered, “Although the Egyptians…Yahweh…” or “as the Egyptians….” Exodus 14:27 tn The verb means “shake out” or “shaking off.” It has the significance of “throw downward.” See Neh 5:13 or Job 38:13. Exodus 22:3 New English Translation 3 If the sun has risen on him, then there is blood guilt for him. A thief[a] must surely make full restitution; if he has nothing, then he will be sold for his theft. Read full chapter Footnotes Exodus 22:3 tn The words “a thief” have been added for clarification. S. R. Driver (Exodus, 224) thinks that these lines are out of order, since some of them deal with killing the thief and then others with the thief making restitution, but rearranging the clauses is not a necessary way to bring clarity to the paragraph. The idea here would be that any thief caught alive would pay restitution. Psalm 104:22 New English Translation 22 When the sun rises, they withdraw and sleep[a] in their dens. Read full chapter Footnotes Psalm 104:22 tn Heb “lie down.” Ecclesiastes 1:5 New English Translation 5 The sun rises[a] and the sun sets;[b] it hurries away[c] to a place from which it rises[d] again.[e] Read full chapter Footnotes Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn The Hebrew text has a perfect verbal form, but it should probably be emended to the participial form, which occurs in the last line of the verse. Note as well the use of participles in vv. 4-7 to describe what typically takes place in the natural world. The participle זוֹרֵחַ (zoreakh, “to rise”) emphasizes continual, durative, uninterrupted action (present universal use of participle): the sun is continually rising (and continually setting) day after day. Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn Heb “the sun goes.” The participle בָּא (baʾ, “to go in”) emphasizes continual, durative, uninterrupted action (present universal use of participle): the sun is continually rising and continually setting day after day. The repetition of בָּא in 1:4-5 creates a comparison between the relative futility of all human endeavor (“a generation comes and a generation goes [בָּא]”) with the relative futility of the action of the sun (“the sun rises and the sun goes” [i.e., “sets,” בָּא]). Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn Heb “hastens” or “pants.” The verb שָׁאַף (shaʾaf) has a three-fold range of meanings: (1) “to gasp; to pant,” (2) “to pant after; to long for,” and (3) “to hasten; to hurry” (HALOT 1375 s.v. שׁאף; BDB 983 s.v. I שָׁאַף). The related Aramaic root שׁוף means “to be thirsty; to be parched.” The Hebrew verb is used of “gasping” for breath, like a woman in the travail of childbirth (Isa 42:14); “panting” with eagerness or desire (Job 5:5; 7:2; 36:20; Ps 119:131; Jer 2:24) or “panting” with fatigue (Jer 14:6; Eccl 1:5). Here שָׁאַף personifies the sun, panting with fatigue, as it hastens to its destination (BDB 983 s.v. I שָׁאַף 1). The participle form depicts continual, uninterrupted, durative action (present universal use). Like the sun, man—for all his efforts—never really changes anything; all he accomplishes in his toil is to wear himself out. Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn The verb זוֹרֵחַ (zoreakh, “to rise”) is repeated in this verse to emphasize that the sun is locked into a never changing, ever repeating monotonous cycle: rising, setting, rising, setting. Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn The word “again” does not appear in Hebrew, but is supplied in the translation for clarity and smoothness. Nahum 3:17 New English Translation 17 Your courtiers[a] are like locusts, your officials[b] are like a swarm of locusts! They encamp in the walls on a cold day, yet when the sun rises, they[c] fly away,[d] and no one knows where they[e] are.[f] Read full chapter Footnotes Nahum 3:17 tn Or “your guards.” The noun מִגְּזָרַיִךְ (miggezarayikh, “your courtiers”) is related to Assyrian manzazu (“courtier”; AHw 2:639.a) or massaru (“guard”; AHw 2:621.a); see HALOT 601 s.v. *מִגְּזָר). The nuance “princes,” suggested by older lexicographers (BDB 634 s.v. מִנְזַר), is no longer considered valid. Nahum 3:17 tn The noun טַפְסְרַיִךְ (tafserayikh, “your scribes”) from טִפְסָר (tifsar, “scribe, marshal”) is a loanword from Assyrian tupsarru and Sumerian DUB.SAR (“tablet-writer; scribe; official”); see BDB 381 s.v. טִפְסָר; HALOT 379 s.v. This term is also attested in Ugaritic tupsarru and in Phoenician dpsr. As in Jer 51:27, it is used of military and administrative officials. This term designated military officials who recorded the names of recruits and the military activities of Assyrian kings (see P. Machinist, “Assyria and its Image in the First Isaiah,” JAOS 103 [1983]: 736). Nahum 3:17 tn Heb “it flees.” Nahum 3:17 tc The BHS editors propose redividing the singular MT reading וְנוֹדַד (venodad, “and it flees”) to the plural וְנוֹדְדוּ (venodedu, “and they flee”) due to the difficulty of a singular verb. However, the LXX supports the singular MT reading. The subject is גוֹב (gov, “swarm”), not individual locusts. Nahum 3:17 tc The MT reads the noun with third person masculine singular suffix מְקוֹמוֹ (meqomo, “its place”). The BHS editors suggest emending to third person masculine plural suffix מְקוֹמָם (meqomam, “their place”). The MT is supported by the LXX reading, which has a singular suffix. The third person masculine singular suffix is not as awkward as the BHS editors claim—its antecedent is the singular אַרְבֶּה (ʾarbeh, “locust”) and גוֹב גֹבָי (gov govay, “a swarm of locusts”), as reflected by the third person masculine singular verb וְנוֹדַד (translated “it flies away”). Nahum 3:17 tc The MT reads אַיָּם (ʾayyam, “Where are they?”); see, e.g., Isa 19:12; DCH 1:202-3 s.v. אֵי; HALOT 40 s.v.). On the other hand, the LXX’s οὐαί αὐτοῖς (ouai autois, “Woe to them!”) seems to reflect a reading of אֶיָּם (ʾeyyam, “Alas to them!”). The BHS editors suggest emending to אֵיכָה (ʾekhah, “Alas!” or “How?”) and join it to v. 18, or אוֹי מַה (ʾoy mah, “Woe! Why…?”) joined to v. 18. HALOT (40 s.v.) suggests the emendation אֵיךָ (ʾekha, “Alas to you!”).tn Heb “Its place is not known—where are they?” The form אַיָּם has been taken in various ways: (1) an interrogative adverb with third person masculine plural suffix (“where are they?”; GKC 296-97 §100.o; BDB 32 s.v. אַי 1.a); (2) an interrogative particle אֵי (ʾey, “where?”) lengthened to אַיָּה (ʾayyah) and written with the enclitic particle ־ם (mem; GKC 295 §100.g), similar to ayyami (“where?”) in Assyrian (CAD 1.1.220); see W. A. Maier, Nahum, 356; R. D. Patterson, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah (WEC), 111; T. Longman, “Nahum,” The Minor Prophets, 2:826 Matthew 5:44-45 New English Translation 44 But I say to you, love your enemy and[a] pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like[b] your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. Read full chapter Footnotes Matthew 5:44 tc Most mss (D L W Δ Θ ƒ13 33 565 579 700 1241 1424 M lat sy(p),h) read “bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you,” before “those who persecute you.” But this is surely a motivated reading, importing the longer form of this aphorism from Luke 6:27-28. The shorter text is found in א B ƒ1 sys,c sa bopt mae, as well as several fathers. Matthew 5:45 tn Grk “be sons of your Father in heaven.” Here, however, the focus is not on attaining a relationship (becoming a child of God) but rather on being the kind of person who shares the characteristics of God himself (a frequent meaning of the Semitic idiom “son of”). See L&N 58.26. James 1:11 New English Translation 11 For the sun rises with its heat and dries up the meadow; the petal of the flower falls off and its beauty is lost forever.[a] So also the rich person in the midst of his pursuits will wither away. Read full chapter Footnotes James 1:11 tn Or “perishes,” “is destroyed.” The Sun RISES AND SETS FOR A SPHERICAL (geoidal) shaped Earth. THERE CAN NOT BE RISING AND THE SETTING OF THE SUN FOR A Flat Earth as the noted video portrays above.
  7. See my last post above. The Flat Earth SUN day/night is JUST NOT POSSIBLE. On a FIXED point of the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth between the Artic AND Antartic Circles, THE SUN DOES NOT APPEAR AT NIGHT EVER. THE SUN SETS AND RISES ON THE HORIZON OF THEE SPERICAL (geoidal) shaped Earth. North of the Artic Circle in the Winter (Northern Hemisphere Winter) AND South of the Antartic Circle in the Summer (Northern Hemisphere Summer), there is NO SUN SHINING DURING THOSE SEASONS. North of the Artic Circle in the Summer (Northern Hemisphere Summer) AND South of the Antartic Circle in the Winter (Northern Hemisphere Winter), THEE SUN IS ALWAYS SHINING DURING THOSE SEASONS.
  8. Do YOU see why THIS is ALL SO STUPID???!!! An excerpt from the video: The Sun on a flat earth would be visible at ALL TIMES AT ALL PLACES ON EART AT THE SAME TIME. Same thing with the Moon. So, the Sun AND Moon are like EACH being a flashlight pointing to a limited surface on a Flat Earth???!!! Are the Sun AND Moon Flat, too???!!! The Earth is SPHERICAL (geoidal) in shape NOT FLAT!!! In Summary For The Flat Earthers: The Earth is FLAT NOT ACUTALLY BEING SPHERICAL (geoidal) in shape. Gravity does NOT exist. An ACTUAL SPHERICAL (geoidal) shaped Earth rotating at four (4) minutes of time per degree of 360 degree of rotation would fling objects off the Equator at nominally 1,037.54 miles per hour. Planes travel much faster from East to West on an ACTUAL SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth since the Earth spins in a counter clockwise direction viewed from the North Pole. Global Positioning System Satellites DO NOT EXIST FOR A FLAT EARTH. The Sun AND Moon are ALWAYS above the plane of the Flat Earth AND EACH shine like a flash light to specific regions of the Earth WHILE NEVER SETTING OR RISING. The FALSE Doctrine of the Bible noting the Earth is Flat. Here, try this for navigating AROUND the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth OVER THE South Pole AND NORTH POLE. https://flatearth.ws/polar-circumnav Flat-Earthers incorrectly claim that Earth circumnavigation has never been done through both the poles, and they use it to “prove” a flat Earth. In reality, many have successfully done such feats. HENCE............................................................................... THEE Flat Earther Dunning-Kruger "effect". THEE Flat Earthers go FROM "I can't prepare for everything, it's just too much" TO "there are so many possible disasters..." TO "I know everything! I don't need your advice!" ALL BECAUSE OF THE Flat Earth "teaching" "conspiracy" TO DUMB Flat Earth "believers" DOWN AND POISON THEM WITH Biblical FALSE Doctrine!!! Flat Earth "believers". Flat Earthers REALLY MUST REPENT OF THEIR Biblical FALSE Doctrine AND ASSOCIATED STUPIDITY AND NOT BE Dunning-Kruger Effect "demonstrators" ON THEE LEFT HIGH POINT OF THEE Dunning-Kruger Effect "chart"!!!
  9. You tell me. Show the context of what the astronauts were saying. You brought up the propaganda video. Not me.
  10. On a Flat Earth, there would be NO NIGHT AND CONSTANT DAYLIGHT OVER THE ENTIRE EARTH. Isn't is CLEAR with statements like THIS common to Flat Earth "adherents' THAT FLAT EARTH BELIEFS ARE REALLY, REALLY STUPID???!!!
  11. The YouTubes are no longer available. One reason the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth looks differently is because of recent volcanic activity relative to the taking of the pictures.
  12. What is the context of what this person is saying? This person may or may not be affiliated with NASA or acting under the direction of NASA.
  13. This is what is said of God The Son Jesus Christ: Hebrews 1:9 New International Version 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[a] Read full chapter Footnotes Hebrews 1:9 Psalm 45:6,7 Flat Earth FALSE Doctrine is wickedness. IF people believe the FALSE Doctrine of Flat Earth THEN THEY are likely to succumb to far greater DELUSIONS.
  14. The photo is OBVIOUSLY photoshopped so WHY, pray tell, stop short of photoshopping out ANY satellite bodies???!!! The reality is most satellites are VERY small compared to the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth's size and NOT visible to the naked eye.
  15. Again a string of quotes taken out of context to appear contradictory from the Flat Earth FALSE Doctrine Propaganda Studio.
  16. Objects of different densities do NOT travel relative to each other WITHOUT GRAVITY. Objects of different densities on the space station in near zero gravity do NOT travel against each other UNLESS forced to do so. There are videos of water hanging in the air in the near zero gravity of space in the space station then being consumed by the astronaut.
  17. What is the point You are making? The moon can be observed with readily available equipment of high resolution to see the noted phenomena. I am not familiar with the above photo while the Moon's craters have been observed to be and noted as generally perpendicular. Not all craters on the Moon are perpendicular.
  18. The Bible does: So, in the Flat Earth model, the sun would rise at the north pole AND set at the south pole OR the sun would rise at the south pole AND set at the north pole. Psalm 50:1 New International Version Psalm 50 A psalm of Asaph. 1 The Mighty One, God, the Lord, speaks and summons the earth from the rising of the sun to where it sets.
  19. The Flat Earth LIE is a detriment to ANY ONE who adheres to the Flat Earth conspiracy dumbing people down. Why would I care about Copernicus or Newton? Physical phenomena are visible and describable provided ALL the phenomena influences are identified and noted. I do NOT care what Copernicus or Newton did or think!!! If challenged, I will explain things as clearly as I can in an accurate and factual way whether or NOT the ENTIRELY "intellectually" "challenged" have an opinion misaligned with actual facts. I trust DinarVets values actual facts far above misaligned opinions with actual facts especially those misaligned opinions of baseless and/or fictitious origin used as a basis for badgering rhetoric against facts expressed in a reasonably Decent, Reasonous, AND, of course, Common Sense way. I would NOT want my kids OR ANYONE taught Flat Earth LIES as a basis for REALITY. I care about people enough to express the TRUTH however difficult it may be even in the face of STUPID Flat Earth proponents WITH THEIR badgering rhetoric AND, of course, LIES!!! So, same question to YOU. WHY, pray tell, BELIEVE Flat Earth OBVIOUS LIES???!!!
  20. I do NOT watch Elon, Neil, Bill Nye or other news anchors or actors to derive the physical laws governing any phenomena. So, WHY, pray tell, do YOU believe the Flat Earth conspiracy dumbing YOU down for ALL to see???!!!
  21. The whole video taking one statement then contradicting it with another. Stars are seen in the vacuum (little to no matter/gases) of space.
  22. Gravity is the basis for objects of different density to move relative to each other. The concept of no gravity is just STUPID.
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