"Whew"----What a good thread! Sometimes, it takes someone standing on the outside looking in, to see objectively. Please consider the possibility that all these ills in the above-mentioned posts are not really problems, but merely symptoms of a deeper underlying PROBLEM; SIN. Let's face the truth; our founding fathers, altho' far from perfect, wrote a near perfect document, The Constitution, with an open Bible on the table. They sought Devine Guidence in it's composition. We, as a People, have gotten so far away from the Scriptures, it will take a Sovereign move of God to bring us home. Second Chronicles 7:14 I would implore all who love God & love this country to read & follow the instructions contained therein. This is our only Hope.