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Obama and Hillarious are currently paying for an ad Pakistani television apologizing for the Youtube video about Muhammid. Can you believe this???!!! They are apologizing in our names for what is an American constitutionally guaranteed right, a worthless little video that the film maker had every right to post; It's tacky and probably mostly untrue, but America has no right to deprive this guy of his constitutional right of free speech, even when we might disagree with what he says. If America has no right to deprive this guy of free speech, then certainly people in other countries cannot force us to deny those same rights of even one American. If that were to happen, how long would it be before someone else demanded that your rights be taken away from you, or mine? How long would America surive if we were to force even one American to be deprived of even one of his constitutional rights? People throughout the world need a strong America. There is no other country in the entire world which has the power and strength of America, so we are a power for good that even the world's radicals absolutely must know exists in order to keep them in check at all, let alone from running rampant and burning down cities and killing our ambassadors and other embassy personnel. I think much of the reason so many people are screaming is because they are scared at how waffly and wishy-washy Obama is. It is absolutely clear that no one anywhere in the world, except radical Muslims, wants a weak America!!! If we are weak, all people everywhere feel immeasureably weaker. We are the only force for true good in the entire world, and we simply cannot give up a single part of our strength!! All Americans everywhere know that our real strength is embedded in our Constitution. 1. We need to defend our Constitution against all people who attempt to rise up against it, anywhere in the world. 2. We need to get rid of any politician who disagrees with #1. 3. We need to ramp up our military, all branches, prep them for whatever may happen in the world, and then support them in ANY way they need to get the job done. 4. We need to inform Muslim countries, and Europe, very clearly, that there will be a heavy price to pay--there will be powerful consequences--if they allow their (Muslim) people to try to use our American Constitutional right to free speech to riot and kill and protest against us. In other words, their rights end where ours begin. And that includes burning our flag, injuring or killing any American anywhere abroad, and burning, shouting, and rioting against America. Our strength is all that stands between us and a Muslim America, or even a Muslim world. Muslims know this, which is why they are fighting in every way they can against us. This has to stop, and there must be consequences for the Libyans for killing our ambassador and other Americans serving in the American embassy in Libya. Whether sanctions or other consequences, they must be severe enough that these people get the message, and that they get it so well that they find another way of dealing with Americans, say talking politiely to us. Frankly, I want a president who will support America first, and that includes not apologizing for us, ever, not one time, but especially on foreign soil. Obama absolutely must go!! We need a real, patriotic American as our president, not this weak-kneed, world-wide apologizer. We need our American power and strength, the entire world needs it, and for us to have it, we must have an American president who places a high value on our power and strength and who, himself, clearly loves America!! We need to see this in our president; in fact, the whole world needs to see it in him. (Or in her).

Here's "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" - a Muslim buys eleven acres of land next to a pig farm (a family farm that has been in Houston a long time) and NOW WANTS THE PIG FARMER TO LEAVE !!?? That takes a lot of nerve! So what's the pig farmer's response to that..... PIG RACES DURING FRIDAY NIGHT PRAYERS!! Even the news crew is laughing. http://www.youtube.c...r1NxJDC94?rel=0 I'd say open up a bacon stand along with the pig races!!!

This was taken during the huge fire our County had last month that burned over 20,000 acres and destroyed many homes. Unfortunately we were hit by over 3000 lightning strikes on the 8th of this month that started over 90 fires. The fires are now joining each other and has grown to over 30,000 acres. So so sad. And so so scary. Carla

Fear is their tool and alot are buying into it.There is no doubt that things look grim and that is what they want.I for one ain't a bit scared of these Nazi's and I'm young in comparison to many of you on here.No disrespect intended of course,actually quite the opposite, the younger generation is waiting on the older ones to show them the way , not cower in a corner or quiver over propaganda.. I say this with all the respect in the world for all our veterans on this board and in this great country of ours, yes OURS!!!!! These fools have everyone thinking they own the planet and everything on it. Really? who died and made them boss, last I checked,they put their pants on one leg at a time just like me and you do.. if we simply stop using their money, barter etc or refuse to play their game , then what choice do they have but to take their toys home with them and be lonely? Barter is coming whether we see it or not , and the only way they can make it hard on anyone is if we let em... NO ONE CAN MAKE YOU FEEL INFERIOR WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. Chin up, head held high and I say they're bluffing.. and if they're not , then well , I won't cower, won't bow to them like someone else we know , and if they come at me they better be ready is all I gotta say because this here country boy ain't stupid and my blood runs red white and blue.

Rayzur i completely and 100%, with great respect, disagree with your statement here. (i posted above but felt compelled to address this directly) the attorney defines for the court definitions and allegations of the defendant. you see court is nothing more than a battle between to entities arguing/debating in adversarial positions opposite one another about a matter of inequality. the court is neutral and starts out ignorant of the issue. the court listens to both sides and draws a conclusion to bring the two sides back into harmony because the commercial world can only exist in an harmonious state. the court however CANNOT surmise or presume to know the case before it is argued. therefore attorneys must ESTABLISH the framework of the case before presenting their claim or counter claim. within that framework are definitions and certain understandings without which a court will be left ignorant from which to rule. notice the very first sentence reads: "At all time relevant to this Indictment:" this is the preamble where definitions and allegations given defining the defendants and who they are (their status in society), what an RD is, what an RV is, and what it is that the defendants alleged. these must be defined first as they will be repeatedly mentioned throughout the claim. the court has to be instructed what they are in order to hear any argument including them. for instance if you presented me a term paper on your "sweet babboo and its twinkee twinkee", and i am reading your paper and you keep mentioning these in the paper but you never define for me what they are, i will have no clue what you are trying to convey to me. the same with any court. all things must be defined for the court. this WAS NOT a prognostication of "what will happen with the Dinar." not in the slightest at all. people really need to digest this so that their fears are calmed. the only reason i am doing this is because i know that some people are not familiar with court documents. also please note the crafty words used by the attorney concerning the united states involvement in the iraqi dinar. "Alleging the Department of the Treasury held trillions of Iraqi dinar for investment purposes." yeah, these guys are in deep trouble because if they cannot prove their allegation that the united states are holding dinar specifically for investment purposes, and people trusted that they were telling the truth, then their already sunk ship will sink that much faster. the attorney are using their own words against them knowing that these numbskulls cannot pull up one federal document backing their point that for investment purposes the feds are holding dinar. again though, this is not about the credibility of the dinar and its potential to RD or RV. i truly hoping people are getting this. ... be careful. i really couldn't care less about this numbskulls but we must keep things in proper perspective. this is an indictment and nothing more. until a judge rules, we do not know what the "truth" is. because a claim is presented does not necessarily mean that a prosecutor can PROVE their CLAIM. i recommend walking a little softly here. however i will say that this conspiracy is not about the dinar. it is about the hedge fund. everyone reading this must realize that this case is not about prosecuting because it is alleged that the IQD will revalue. it is pure speculation the future of the IQD and no court can presently rule on its obscure future. this court case is solely about defrauding the american citizen with illegal uses of regulated hedge fund activity. to inject anything more than this, from this case, is entirely misleading whether voluntarily or involuntarily. i have never read any executive order on the dinar but i can say this. the united states has stated that the american investor should get special favor when investing in iraq. this is a direct quote from the strategic framework agreement: 5. Facilitating and encouraging the flow of foreign investments to Iraq, especially American investments, to contribute to the reconstruction and rebuilding of Iraq. Read more: http://dinarvets.com.../#ixzz27A1kMuJF so there are provisions by our government encouraging american investment into the country of iraq. Rayzur i am not busting your chops. i consider you my friend and i am not eager to form enemies at all. so know that i am not attacking you at all. i am just offering a polarized position against "your post" but not you my dv friend. if you feel that i am wrong in my assumption, please respond in kind and i will hear your point of view in earnest. be blessed my friends.

Apparently Ambassador Stevens was very good at doing his job and the Libyans knew and appreciated him for this; it's just that our administration wasn't good at doing its job. Stevens earned, deserved, and expected their protection, and it wasn't there when he needed it. Who was so wise that they denied the Marines guarding our Consulate the right to keep their guns loaded? When these Marines guarding our Consulate and our ambassador were denied bullets for their guns, someone had a screwy idea of what is even right, let alone what is safe. (Who in the world could be more trusted with bullets than a U. S. Marine, for pity's sakes??!!) These are not Barney Fifes. They are United States Marines!!! . I consider this to be a brazen idealogue-based, dumb-As*ed failure of both Hillarious Clinton and her ne'er-do-well, TV star, worthless boss, Obama. Neither of them is worth wiping the feet of any of the people who died in this attack.

God Bless our Fire Fighters!!!

Shabibi announce the selection of two British and German companies to print currency after deletion of zeros Sunday, July 22, 2012 16:11 {Baghdad: Euphrates News} announced Central Bank Governor Sinan al-Shabibi for choosing a British company and the other a German for the printing of the new process after the deletion of zeros. Shabibi said during a meeting with members of the Parliamentary Finance Committee, according to a statement of the Commission that the bank Central chose a British company and the other a German among the many international companies To complete the process of printing the new currency being the Ttavan about 75% of the currency in the countries of the world. He noted that the central bank has reserves of currencies including the Can in the process of deletion of zeros and coverage significantly. Shabibi said that the main reason for the deletion of zeros Return to economic stability experienced by the country and the ability of the large cash at the bank Central. And on the currency auction between Shabibi said the operation serves as a window to enter the Foreign currency and raise the value of the Iraqi dinar. The delegation included Deputy Parliamentary Abdulhussain Yasiri, and MP Ibrahim al-Mutlaq, and MP Magda al-Tamimi. During the meeting, discuss the latest Developments reached by the Central Bank on the subject of the deletion of zeros and replacement of the national currency The policy in the completion of this process. The meeting also discussed the subject of Controls adopted in the currency auction and the size of the money supply . Ended THE LINK : http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://www.alforatnews.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D18031:2012-07-22-13-12-59%26catid%3D37:2011-04-08-17-25-57%26Itemid%3D57

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Once They Ignite It That Thing Can Haul A$$ !

We need a President with morals and dignity, Obama has neither, We need a Patriot who has fought and bled for this Country who appreciates the freedoms we have. We need a President who BELIEVES IN THE ALMIGHTY GOD and seeks him in out in the decisions he makes. We need a LEADER who will stand up for us not stand down. We need a President to stand up to those who which us harm. We need a President who knows what a JOB is Who takes pride in the fruits of his Labor. Who believes that it is our own responsibility to provide for ourselves not wait each month for somebody to have it deducted from their bank account and put in theirs. +++++ Francie +++++

i'm sure it is already understood by everyone at this late hour but i still wanted to chime in and help those who are not accustomed to court documents since i have spent considerable time scratching the surface of the subject. the initial portions of the document being quoted in this thread has NOTHING to do with whether or not the IQD will or will not actually revalue. the lawyer has to build a case and in doing so she has to provide for the judge definitions of everything being brought up in her argument. thus she defines for the court what an RV is and what a RD is. she even has to define who the defendants are and what their standing is in the community. this is called building a case. this is before the CLAIM. the CLAIM starts out accusing these men of conspiracy of fraud and the main case against them is the point of the hedge funds that never existed. Adam made this very clear in his response to the post. up until the point that i stopped reading, the lawyer never prognosticated on the future of the IQD. that is not the point of the claim. the point of the claim is to establish conspiracy against the american people. to do that they establish the hedge fund fraud and build around it the conspiracy (ie. conference calls, wires, misinformation, deception, lies to build trust, etc etc etc.) really there is nothing to see here for us savvy dinar investors who already know not to give our money away to numbskulls. if anyone is stopping here to prove either an RV theory or an RD theory, you will want to look further. this case will not conclude either for you. my 2c

Well, I guess no one can fail to know I am a patriot, and I love my country. But I have a series of clips that run through my mind every time Obama speaks. They include mental images of him apologizing for America, bowing to an Arab king, folding his hands over his crotch when the National Anthem is playing, of him sitting beside his wife at a flag ceremony, and her leaning to his ear and saying, "All this for a dam*d flag," and seeing him turn to her with a grim look and nodding yes, and his first Christmas in the White House when their largest tree had a Christmas ornament with Mao's picture on it, but nothing with Christ's picture on it, of him hosting a breakfast for muslims in the Rose Garden, but refusing to honor our Christian faith, which along with Judaism, is the basic foundation of our country, of him disparaging the vast middle of America by claiming that we lean too heavily on our "guns and religion," of him sending back the bust of Churchill and at another time, insulting the Queen of England, one of our greatest allys, of him refusing to meet with the Prime Minister of Israel and using the excuse that he didn't have time, but then strangely finding time to appear on David Letterman, of him skipping 2/3rds + of his congressionally mandated Daily Security Briefings, of his insistence that any indication of God or Christ be covered by even a Catholic University before he will speak there, of his carefully scripted movie star personna on a large number of televison shows, but his many failures to appear presidential, of his wife's extensive vacations and an entourage of 50+, her extended family and her personal support personnal, more than any other first lady in history, of her continual vacationing and charging it to American taxpayers, of her free use of Airforce One and other military aircraft to take her trips, even to the extent of flying their dog, BO, in a separate plane when the family went to New England on vacation, of his vanity that is so huge that he even names that same dog after himself (who names his family dog after himself, for pity's sakes?), . . . But I talk too much . . . (shut up, Fran) . . . The End.

Old article from 07/22/2012

As predicted and expected, the first class action suit against guru group. Notice its filed in the same circuit as is the indictment against the 3 Muskagurus and their Water Boy. You will note the filing includes 10 John Does..... As the voiceover in Mortal Combat said: "Let the Games Begin"... or was it Dorothy who said: Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore". Hummm, Bretling, Blaino, BullDog, Hammerman, Okie.... need 4 more names.... Maybe there is a Pink Piggy T shirt for the person coming closest to naming the John Does? My link

Libyans protest and expelled the militia supporters of Sharia from Benghazi 22/09/12 1: 27 pm Arab and internationalno comments Libyan protesters against militia supporters of Sharia on Saturday "Iraq gate" Benghazi (Libya)-Islamic militia expelled supporters of the Libyan Washington blamed an attack on its Consulate in Benghazi fortified bases in Libya's second largest city in public outcry against armed groups in support of Libyan Government early on Saturday morning. And began to protest against Sharia supporters in Benghazi as part of a coordinated sweep of militia headquarters by police and Government forces and militants in the aftermath of a massive rally against militia units on Friday. Hospital sources said at least four people were killed and 34 injured when militia attempt to remove demonstrators. Could be heard firing in the area before forcing the fighters out. And people carrying weapons from militia supporters of Shariah empty while the men are applauding and shouting against the militia. And have been linked to militia supporters of Sharia and the attack on the US Consulate last week, during which u.s. Ambassador to Libya and three Americans. Militia denies involvement in the attack. Demonstrators broke into the chant "Libya ... Libya "and say" no "and" blood that we bled him for freedom will not be wasted, "the headquarters of supporters of Shariah in Benghazi and waving swords and some were carrying machetes. Demonstrator Hassan Ahmed said "after what happened to US Consulate people fed up with the extremists Benghazi ... Did the loyalty of the army and therefore people broke (compound) and they fled. " And disarmament of militia supporters of Sharia banners and set fire to vehicles inside the compound in the past rule of the security forces of the late Libyan leader moamer kadhafi. Ahmed said "this place is like the Bastille. Kadhafi Libya dominates him and then replaced by supporters of Shariah. The turning point for the people of Benghazi. " Abdel Salam said tarhouni a servant arrived with the first wave of protesters, several vans carrying protesters faced community fighters initially fired. He said two protesters were wounded in their legs. He then rode their trucks and drove off away. He said the protesters freed four prisoners they found them inside. Upon leaving the headquarters of supporters of Sharia protesters swelling the crowd arrived to thousands with orientation towards military headquarters for the militia which was shared with another group. Protesters said the militiamen opened fire on arrival and many people. Student support albarrany during his return from the region "came as peaceful protesters. When we got there we started firing. "Five people were right next to me. They used guns of caliber 14.5 millimeter. " After entering the campus crowd exited the Libyan army trucks rule carrying government soldiers hosannas gaiety in victory and growing up. And filling people with machetes and clubs main road outside of the compound and stopped cars to prevent thieves from escaping with heavy weapons. Young said carrying rifles "entered the camp and have not found anyone. We take only those Kalashnikov rifles. " The demonstrators also dominated at the compound of the Abu Salim and another campus for supporters of Shariah. And thousands Libyans marched in Benghazi on Friday in support of democracy and against the Islamic militia that swept the United States blamed the attack on the Consulate. Hundreds of supporters of Sharia supporters protest. Demonstration called "rescue day Benghazi" Government to dismantle armed groups that refused to abandon their arms after the success of the Libyan uprising with support from NATO to overthrow Gaddafi last year. He said student Ahmad manufacture, a 27-year-old "this protest is clearly against the guerrillas. They all join the army or security forces as individuals, not as groups. Otherwise there will be no prosperity or success of Libya. " Although the key demands of protesters did not attack the US Consulate but the incident gave authorities a powerful impetus to rally support for the Government. US Ambassador Christopher Stevens loved in Libya and Libyan condemned many of the attack on the Consulate despite anger from the anti-Islam film, which was produced in the United States and the effects of the attack on the Consulate. Some demonstrators carried banners in English saying "demand justice for Stevens" and "lost" friend of Libya. Others had varying views. He said Amjad Mohammad Hassan, a communications engineer, a 26-year-old "came out today to defend Benghazi. Kill the Ambassador is completely separate. "There was not to kill the Ambassador because the Americans had of the Prophet. I'm just here for the Benghazi. " Abu alkaiua, a protester at a demonstration organized by Ansar Shariah today that Stevens "was preparing to enter American troops to Libya. "The Prophet guardian is expelled from the land of the infidel Muslims therefore Muslims will be victorious. Enemy terrorism one of the principles of Islam. " He fought American troops in Iraq where he was detained and sent back to Libya under Gaddafi and imprisonment of three years. One demonstration banners supporters of Sharia "on save or save the day America Benghazi http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.albawwaba.net%2Farabic-international%2F108285%2F

If ever i'm stuck in the desert give me a car door... so whenever it gets hot i can row down the window!!!!!!!!!!!! bahahahahhaha

For every good lockdown, there is ExLax For everything else; Master Crap.

You're thinking too much and it shows you are somewhat new to the dinar investment... interesting list you created but you shouldn't follow any so called "news" from blogs. It will never be there first. Just continue your life as before and pray for a pleasant surprise someday. Of course IMO.

John Wayne on liberals

CIA: Saddam deceived weapons of mass destruction Published 11/09/2012 12:00 AM Babinaoz - Agencies: magazine revealed the "Times" American Saturday, the report contains a set of documents describing how his and the CIA of "deception" regarding the existence of weapons of mass destruction Iraq, indicating that Saddam Hussein used to lying about possessing weapons of mass destruction, Therefore we thought that it was still owned. The newspaper said that "the United States went to war based largely on intelligence false led to the killing of 4486 American soldiers and 318 coalition soldiers and countless thousands of Iraqis in the conflict that followed it." said the report, "when proved that United Nations inspectors and the IAEA more intrusive than expected, I felt the Iraqi leadership apparently panicked and took a fateful decision to destroy a secret much of the material remaining undeclared and get rid of the evidence. " the report added, "We judge now that the Iraqis feared that The smelting of Saddam Hussein, Kamel Hassan al-Majid, who is considered a symbol prominently in weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the activities of denial and deception, to reveal more confidential information, he decided to Iraq that attempts to hold programs and extensive weapons of mass destruction under UN sanctions and the persistent implementation of the policy of deception can not be achieved, change from part strategy by adopting a policy of disclosure and improve cooperation. " According to the report, "to make the style of" deception and retreat "Iraqi difficult for the UN inspectors and Western analysts trust assurances new Iraqi value virtual", pointing out that "a rules in the analysis of intelligence is that when party demonstrates what he Illusionist, become this knowledge factor heavily in the accounts of the observer analyst. " The United States and Britain launched on 16 December 1998, the biggest attack on Iraq since the Gulf War in 1991, called the designation " Desert Fox "continued four days of bombing and missile strikes that affected the military sites, scientific and technological strategy which centers Iraqi missiles and center of biological research at the University of Baghdad, which was at the forefront of biological weapons program in the country, and factories castor oil in Fallujah and Habbaniyah, which is believed to have produced ricin, and development centers Research missiles in Anbar and Nineveh, and manufacturing sites engines and rockets and other sites and because of the refusal of Saddam Hussein continued to cooperate with the weapons inspectors of the United Nations, who withdrew from Iraq shortly before the start of the operation and did not return to him until the end of 2002. http://www.babnews.com/inp/view.asp?ID=57587

Try reading the rules again....I know they've been pointed out to you Calling another member ignorant is not tolerated, maybe you should just stick to reading instead of posting....you might learn a thing or two....also.... Take a look at my last post......Marines guard Embassies, even in Libya Stevens shouldnt have been left to the mercies of terrorists....That is the policy that O'blah & Hillarious put in place.....The blood of the first ambassador to be killed since Carter is directly on their hands.

Tell it Francie! I,m with you! WE and I mean WE, need Obama and his people, OUT! Take back the USA in November and learn more about OUR country as we have about IRAQ! We can make a difference.

Russia and China are trying to unseat the USD as OPEC petro-payment. Iran is given the chance by this dynamic to export all their production for another payment system, effectively neutering sanctions. A corporation protects the principals from individuality liability. Before you can get to them, you must " pierce the corporate veil" Guess what; the USD is the corporation, and the USA makes up the principals. The Veil is the USD as the world's reserve currency Russia, China and Iran are all totin' some very large and sharpe instruments. The rest of the world is sitting at the table with large appetites, waiting for the goose to be carved. Some are very heavily invested in said goose, and may leave the table with indigestion. You are right, this is not good news. The reign of Economic Terrorism foisted by the Federal Reserve is coming home to roost. The world is rapidly losing it's appetite for US debt, and appear willing to take their lumps and try a different cuisine .

This is a very level headed approach, and maintains an upbeat frame of mind. What the "Smoke and Mirrors" crowd always fails to factor in is that if the CBI is misleading both Creditors and Investors, the future of Iraq will be lacking in folks willing to lend or invest when the truth is revealed . (this is the "you lie, we're screwed, you lose" corollary of investment consideration). While the pullout of some investors from Iraq may indicate a certain fear this is ongoing, Iraq will not exit third world status if it is proven to be true. The concept of investor in the above thought process, does not include currency speculators, which seem to be the main proponents of the "Smoke and Mirrors" interpretation of the figures the CBI is providing to the world of future investors and creditors. This round of indictments will certainly shake out either the belief that Iraq is lying, or that Iraq is telling the truth, and the effects of both on the legal professions to profit from either. Do I trust the government or legal profession to be completely honest? NO. Past history telegraphs future performance. That said, the Gurus and Pumpers are really trying to compete for the least molecule of truth present in any statement. And they have really stressed the concept that there is always an element of truth in every lie or rumor. At least the legal system has past precident to go from; whether it s good or bad precident. The gurus are making things up as they go, and have all the integrity and sincerety of a _____________ (fill in your favorite derogatory term or word with the most negative connotation here). . History will be the decision maker here. Like you, I remain hopeful. But, I fear that the CBI financials are necessarily accurate, as Iraq's future hangs in that balance. That said, the future currency reform, while producing the potential for profit, may be fractional in relationship to the Gurus projections. We have the ultimate scratch off lottery ticket. We have the anticipation every day that it will hit big, and we can still return it for a refund ( minus re-stocking fees) whenever we tire of the process. I can live with that

No plenty of camels; however, they only use their camels for reproductive purposes

Trinity.... I totally respect your opinion and perspective... and no worries at all about disagreeing. I disagreed with myself right after I posted this Thursday evening, and then the site went down and I couldn't correct it. Your points are well taken... and I did get very heavy handed in stating absolutes that were/are not. Indeed, I think we came to the same understanding... I just couldnt get back in there Thursday, and put it into better perspective.... and was gone for 24 hours after that at the fort, which I still call base, and just got back. (caveat being when I said it was 'fact', in that one area, I did not state well that I was saying, this is not a banter of opinions from blog members, but allegations based upon evidentary findings reviewed by grand jury... was trying to seperate the smoke and mirrors simplicity, from an actual due process evidentary hearing... ) That said... What I would say in response in general... I’m surprised so few picked up on an important nuance. This document is an indictment. It means these accusations are now more than just the opinion of the US attorney. It means that a jury of 16 to 23 people found there was enough evidence to indict these guys. I’ll try to make this short, been a long day and my brain is tired so will try to break it into two broad aspects: 1) what is factually happening 2) What I think it means (opinion which is not fact) FACT: Caveat first: I’m not an attorney and I don’t play one on TV. This is not meant to be specific exacting, citation or detail, and I offer this merely as a general overview. (where are the freakin attorneys on this site…. lol). I am not pleading herein, so don’t shoot me ☺ The Fifth Amendment, directs that the federal legal system has to use grand juries to bring charges, for pertinent offenses; all capital and "infamous" crimes must be brought by an indictment returned by a grand jury. So a complaint is filed and then, a federal grand jury, (16 to 23 ordinary citizens), secretly reviews evidence presented by the federal prosecutor, (U.S. Attorney). This review determines whether the case is strong enough to proceed. Specifically, the jury is charged with determining whether enough evidence exists to charge a suspect(s) with a criminal offense. If the grand jury finds there is sufficient evidence for a trial, that the act was a crime under law, and that the court had jurisdiction, it returns a federal indictment and the defendant faces further criminal proceedings. If the grand jury determines the prosecutor’s evidence to be insufficient, it returns "no bill," and the federal charge or charges are dismissed. (No bill" is a legal term that indicates that a grand jury has decided that there is not enough evidence to place a criminal suspect on trial in court). In short and quoting the Federal Judicial System: “A criminal case formally begins with an indictment or information, which is a formal accusation that a person committed a crime. An indictment may be obtained when the executive branch of the U.S. government--the U.S. attorney or an assistant U.S. attorney, also referred to as the prosecutor--presents evidence to a federal grand jury that, according to the government, indicates a person committed a crime. The U.S. attorney tries to convince the grand jury that there is enough evidence to show that the person probably committed the crime and should be formally accused of it. If the grand jury agrees, it issues an indictment. After the indictment is issued, the accused person (the defendant) is either summoned to court or arrested (if not already under arrest), depending on the severity of the crime.” A grand jury is different from a trial jury, or petit jury. A grand jury determines whether the person may be tried for a crime; a petit jury listens to the evidence presented at the trial and determines whether the defendant is guilty of the charge. As I stated before, in the federal system, grand juries hear testimony from federal agents (FBI, DEA, BATF, IRS). Grand juries use subpoenas to gather the evidence used in deciding whether crimes have been committed. They can subpoena documents and physical evidence (including videotapes, internet records, calls, etc.) as well as witnesses to provide testimony. Anyone wondering if these guys have intel we on the blogs do not… please stop wondering. They do. Quasi opinion: And maybe stop quibbling about how much the UST holds in reserve. The point is that these guys made a claim that is not in any way documented as to the amount, be it large or small. They lied about the number of dinar as being a known fact. This has nothing to do with how many are or are not in reserve, and as many have pointed out, a “little” is relative (could be 50 trillion, could be 2 trillion or 10 dinar.. point is, we don’t know). Again, the point of this allegation is that the gurus stated the amount was a known fact. Opinion: Apart from the SEC stuff..... which seems to be a no brainer... IMHO The US Attorney, was able to convince 16-23 people that the evidence was such that it supported all the charges stated in the indictment. This should indicate to you that these charges no longer just represent the opinions of the US prosecutor. The evidence was compelling enough for an indictment. This indictment has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the purchase or ownership of dinar is somehow a “scam”, illegal, or is in itself a criminal platform. This indictment does not “prove” by way of allegation there will or will not be an RV, an RD, an RB or a white Christmas. This indictment basically says these gurus lied across a matrix of variables, which when taken together, compelled people who would not otherwise do so, but for these lies, to invest money in a currency for implied profit (anything greater than neutral event). What I wrongly stated was that the indictment clearly stated what was going to happen with the dinar. (there ya go Trinity ) What I should have said was : this indictment is a legal interpretation by the US government as to what the Executive Order states, and more important, what the Iraqi Government states will happen regarding their currency as it is published by them, and at this time. which is in contrast to what the gurus stated. Insofar as the USG alleges that Iraq clearly states what will happen with their currency at this time and the time of the indictment, may or may not have anything whatsoever to do with what Iraq eventually does with their currency. They could decide to RV then RD, … RD then RV, RB in country, RV out of country or go dashing through the snow in a one horse open sleigh. This indictment doesn't really care about what happens in the future. The analysis of my colleagues of the actual indictment, suggests an interesting approach: The SEC violations are a no brainer. Rudy’s false military claims, if false are a no brainer. Then we get into the gushy stuff: The USG is accurate in asserting that the Iraqi Government (IG) stated clearly what will happen with their currency, as formally published or stated on IG sites. (NOTE: this is not an argument as to whether or not what the IG states is or is not true!). The USG is accurate in stating that the gurus knowingly stated something contrary to what the IG stated. What the USG will have to now prove in a court of law, is that the gurus knew they were stating information they knew to be contrary to the statements of the IG and that these statements were made in order to engage... and profit (and oh by the way, not give the government a share of those profits). Apart from the SEC / hedge fund stuff, it looks like the US Attorney is going to give a shot at bringing to trial numerous other aspects in the 6th Circuit, Northern district, Ohio Court, and those are the charges that some gurus may have to be concerned about in terms of: their affiliations (direct or indirect profit); charges for and statement/implication of services; background expertise, experience, or knowledge, etc etc etc, …. all or part of which,when taken together led individuals to assume a level of confidence, such that they invested monies not otherwise likely to be invested, but for this confidence. It will be interesting to see which charges stand with a return verdict of guilty, which will be dropped, reduced or pled out, as this progresses. It is likely that this is a test case scenario, with the 6th Circuit being a good playing field in which to play this out. The nature, number, etc of the verdicts returned will more than likely determine the next steps in terms of further indictments in this and other Circuits, regarding some of our beloved gurus. This is so far from being over, and if it plays out, could take the rest of this decade before it clears the District and Circuit Courts. And again, has nothing to do with what Iraq may or may not decide to do with their currency in the future, from this moment forward, in their final decision(s) as to how they will proceed. Hope that makes sense. Its late, and my brain went in search of sleep about an hour ago… Blessings to all ~~

Sorry again for the old date.

Good post Trinity. Really there is nothing here of concern for us as dinar investors, just one of the circus shows that tends to circle the dinar.

LOL. I remember a million years ago when I was a "newbie". I must've fallen for every guru line in the book. That I know of, nobody ever made fun of me. Well, not to my face anyway. I remember calling my friend/pastor/fellow investor in March 2011 to tell him that Steve Irwin said it would definitely happen by whatever date he'd given as a "drop dead" date. I remember texting a bunch of my friends who'd also invested, because of some stupid guru nonsense, telling them "It's going to happen tomorrow! Thank you God!" We've probably all been there. I kind of miss being so trusting. I'm glad Shatwanee has a better place to learn and ask questions and talk about the RV than I did. You're welcome here, so far as I know, Shatwanee. By me anyway, I'm sorry some of the comments on your thread have been thoughtless and hurtful. We've all been there- I think sometimes we just forget about that.

What changed? 7 days on the calendar. The previous week we were within 24 hours of a major international news story. As of this chat, we were 7 days removed from that incident. Pretty simple stuff. P.S. If you are going to quote me, do it without messing with my original text. This is your first and only warning.

I'm not voting in any of the rep polls, EagleEye. It just made me sad to see bamjack75 mistreated for a question. Questions are usually good, if they have a good answer. I am sorry for coming across as sounding arrogant myself. One thing I know about myself is if I see someone getting beat up on, I usually side with the underdog. It's my nature.

The post you referred to violated forum rules and was removed. You are free to find another site if you have doubts or problems with the owner of this site. However, you are not free to post negative or derogatory comments about him. He owns the site and makes the rules. It is what it is - take it or leave it!

Have not gone to the link, but wanted to share 2 thoughts: Pumpers and traders constantly trying to sell dinar or "post RV services" deserve to be prosecuted IMO, I do NOT believe the federal prosecutors have the inside scoop on what Shabbibi is going to do. I'm not sure the claim that this cannot be smoke and mirrors is accurate, because a legal action of this sort really should not be possible until AFTER the event DOESN'T HAPPEN AS ADVERTISED! How can you convict someone of lying about what will happen until it has finally happened differently?? Also, it is not technically a scam when people predict incorrectly if they BELIEVE what they are saying. However, faking "intel" to make money IS a scam and those should be held accountable. Peace and Prosperity

Peaceful Religion??? I still think that an apology is long overdue... this one!!!

Dang I bet PETA is going to have something to say about this. Poor Donkey.

Khalidi: Khaled Al-Obeidi acceptable to all Iraqi parties to fill the Defense portfolio Haider Ali Jawad -22/09/2012-2: 07 pm View Greg House decision, Khaled Al-Obeidi acceptable to all Iraqi parties into bag. . Khaldi said: "Al-Obeidi moderate person, professional and acceptable to all parties, could be a compromise for all parties inside and outside of Iraq. The Iraqi leader said: "with the nomination of Al-Obeidi as Defense Minister, that his candidacy would solve a significant problem affecting many in political compromises. A senior source in the Iraq Coalition, led by former Prime Minister Iyad Allawi said that Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki (Iraqi) accord is expected to nominate Khaled Al-Obeidi of the Defense portfolio. The source said: "that Al-Maliki was convinced Khalid Al-Obeidi of the Defense portfolio, great reservation about some names nominated to this position by the (Iraqi), the circulation of information. "The Al-Obeidi could pass if approved you name him leader of the Iraqi list, Iyad Allawi. He explained: "the crisis of nominating a candidate for the Defense portfolio will be nominated list name other than Al-Obeidi, if Al-Maliki reservation on each http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=ar&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.burathanews.com%2Fnews_article_170445.html

The current administration, including O'blah & hilarious are completely at fault here....Its their policies that have put blood on their hands from Libya to fast & furious.....Try just reading from now on instead of spouting Liberal talking points

Actually I see 2 jackasses in the pic! Quad

If not careful, that is a good way to lose your @$$!! :lol:

I hope you're not implying that you actually believe everything the government tells you.

ok...let's all chill out...have some dark chocolate...and love each other...Damnit!!! excuse the explective...my nature tonight!

Hmmmm Just curious A Lot of you seem dead set against it. Just wondering Why is it a bad thing. I do not pretend to know anything on the subject and way to lazy to do the research. So someone please explain why it would be a bad thing rather then good. He died human ,He bled like a human Why is it so hard to believe he loved like a human. I do understand that after he had risen he was holy and could not be touched. But before that I always thought he was human. And please dont give me the he was without sin because I see no sin in making love with your spouse so I need something other then that. Why is it a bad thing?

You can bet that when Brad and his cohorts get questioned on their relationship with Ali and DT they are going to spill the beans about Ali paying them commissions for their pumping and lies. Ali will be thrown under the bus maybe for bargaining power for lesser prison time.

local news article. hope it has not been posted yet. I did not see it, but maybe a bit late. I see the legal docs though.

Just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page as I'm not sure if you are suggesting that I am personally stating any of the content with which you take issue. I could not cut and paste the document into this thread, (per reasons stated initially) and basically did a rough summary of what was contained in the Court documents that were filed. Regarding a nefarious agenda, I don't believe this Court filing is fake as I pulled it off one of the sites that propogate Court filings for respondants reference, involved parties etc etc. If you read the Court filing of charges, you'll note that they are not charged with living in a fantasy world, but more along the lines of conspiracy to commit fraud on a number of levels. Also want to make sure you know I did not state the UST had little dinar in reserve, and it was part of the charges levied against these gurus, who had stated the contrary. This along with other information shared on calls led individuals to invest in hedge fund programs that likewise did not exist. My guess is that its the hedge fund thing put this crew on top of the poo poo pile for prosecution. I'm not an attorney, though have experience being accountable as gov't to the federal circuit and would note for some of my colleagues, that it takes more than "intel" especially the kind we find on these websites, to meet the threshold necessary to convene a Grand Jury. I don't have any experience with this district of the federal courts, but I would be fairly confident that the rules governing this Circuit like any other, are clearly estabished and this was not whimsically filed. I also know that a hell of a lot of investigation, fact finding, and perhaps interviews (versus depositions), had to occur to meet this threshold, and long before any charges were filed. I would guess this has been extensively investigated before the BH was raided, and long after information was obtained from that raid, before these guys were charged. To speculate that maybe federal attorneys may have greater access to behind the scenes information is kind of, with respect, the understatement of the century. The attorneys don't do the investigation as such per se, its the agents of those arms of the federal agencies involved, that investigate (e.g., fbi, ust, irs agents). And keep in mind this is the US government filing these charges, meaning all agencies of the USG involved participate together in investigating, and making these charges. And no USG agency has Nstated what Shabibi is going to do in charging these gurus. Instead, they state that the Executive Order interpretation by these gurus was wrong/false/incorrect, and/or other factors claimed as truth were in fact, contrary to what has been claimed by the USG, or the CBI announcements of Iraq. There are no claims as to what will happen apart from noting the difference between the guru claim and the governments claims... and that the gurus were knowingly making false claims in order to profit off people.... Again, not my info, not my allegations or charges, just my report of such and thereafgter opinions as to its meaning.... Like Patrotic Party Girl said.... its going to be interesting watching this develop to see what happens.... and it certainly seems like something is coming to a head....

Total H.S.