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I've got a few things I want to share with you about Ron Paul: I hope all you folks on this board who think he's a quack will take some time and reconsider; take some time and stop listening to our corrupt media who's SCARED TO DEATH OF A RON PAUL PRESIDENCY. Every one of these politicians has serious baggage and skeletons in their closet, except ............. Ron Paul ..... The media has been trying to dig something up on him for years, and they can't even find a PARKING TICKET. No sex scandals, no lobbyist money, no money scandals, and he's never once voted for a tax increase. He want to abolish the Federal Reserve and IRS ........ Name me another politician that would dare entertain that idea .... Go ahead and take your time, I'll wait (tick-tock-tick-tock). He's the ONLY one that votes for the Constitution with EVERY vote he's EVER made ... Name me another politician that's done that ......... Go ahead and take your time, I'll wait (tick-tock-tick-tock) He's the ONLY politician who want to abolish property taxes, so you actually OWN your property and the government's chains are released from you and yours .... Name me another politician that's willing to even discuss that ...... Go ahead, I'll wait (tick-tock-tick-tock). He's the ONLY politician who wants to bring the troops home and mind our own business. He knows as well as some of us (who are aware that these bullshit wars have NOTHING TO DO WITH FIGHTING TERRORISM, it's all about oil and opium). If 19 Arabs highjacked those planes, then why in the hell did we invade Iraq and Afghanistan, instead of invading SAUDI ARABIA? ............. These wars are perpetual and never ending. The war on terror and the war on drugs is BS. They have to keep us in a perpetual state of war so they can keep Americans listed as Enemies of the State under the 1933 Bankruptcy. They have to renew the State of Emergency every two years. This is how they control us. They have us listed as alien residents and enemies of the state. You folks need to get up to speed on what's actually happening in this country and stop worrying about Iran getting a nuke. Israel has OVER 300 nuclear weapons (that's why Ron Pauls not worried about Iran), and if Iran even acts like their going to blink, Israel will BLOW THEM OFF THE MAP! Ron Paul is a strict Constitutionalist ........... He's the ONLY one that obeys the founding documents ......................... THE ONLY MAN WHO OBEYS THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS, you can't find ONE vote out there where he voted against the rules in the Constitution, not one! Ron is NOT saying he WANTS Iran to have a nuke, he's saying "So What if they Have a Nuke" ........ Every one else around them has thousands. If Iran gets out of line, they bunker bust that place and put a McDonald's in the center of it. This BS war propaganda you folks are buying into about Iran is nothing short of sad. The US didn't invade Libya because Quadafi was a bad guy, they invaded because he was about to release the African Dinar and stop trading oil in US Dollars, and the Federal Reserve Bankers that run this damn world didn't like that, so the made him disappear. Ron Paul is the ONLY politician that wants to end the bank that has crippled this country and devalued our dollar by over 97% since 1913 .... The Federal Reserve Bank. Maybe some of you folks need to read the book "Creature From Jekyl Island" to understand what a criminal organisation this is. They were so blatant and nasty in their take over of our monetary system, that they actually printed pictures of the founding fathers on their notes (tell me that's not a slap in the face to America). Take a minute and calculate how much more your paycheck will be at the end of the month without having to pay an income tax ............... go ahead, I'll wait .... He want to ABOLISH the Federal Reserve Bank and their feeding artery the IRS so YOU can keep all your money and invest it back into the economy; save it, or whatever you wish. Name me ONE of these jackasses running in 2012 that even come close to entertaining this idea .......... Go ahead, I'll wait ....... Stop voting for the guy with the best hair do, or the sharpest suit, or the one the media is telling you to vote for and start looking into this man. Here's your proof that he's the front runner .......... http://www.dailypaul.com/190586/youve-gotta-see-this-chart .... He's won more straw polls than all the other candidates combined; he gets more military donations than all the other candidates combined; he has the best ground game in Iowa and most other states than all other candidates combined; and he damn sure wants to change America back to it's roots more than all the other candidates combined. The media is trying to paint him as a clown who has no chance because they don't want the corruption to stop. They LOVE the Federal Reserve Bank (hell they even pushed the former head of the KC Federal Reserve Bank, Herman Cain for as long as they could until his campaign fell apart) ... They don't want Ron Paul in the White House because they won't have any wars to report on; they won't have any war on drugs to report on; they don't want him to end the Fed, they LOVE THE FED! Stop letting the media manipulate your thoughts and actions .......... start researching ( I know that takes effort, and it's a lot easier to listen to Bill Oreilly and Shawn Hannity ), and find the facts about these candidate. I could list hundreds of scandals these other candidates are or were involved in, and you can't find ONE scandal that Ron Paul has ever been involved in, other than being alone in Congress. It's kind of hard to get anything done in Congress when you're the only damn one voting for the people. He votes NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO on every Unconstitutional Bill that's ever been proposed (including tax increases and illegal wars) and all the others vote for what's going to make them the most money and get them re elected. Now that I've ranted, let me say ........... Please, just do a little research on what this man Ron Paul is about. He is not your average politician, this man is truly FOUNDING FATHER MATERIAL. You folks better hope Ron Paul wins this election, because if he doesn't you're going to see a side of America that will scare the living **** out of you. You're going to see the US Dollar collapse, you can take that to the bank! The media is so afraid of Ron Paul winning this presidency and stopping the corruption, they won't hardly mention his name. I seen a news report this morning that said the front runner is Romney and third place is Gettinrich; they didn't even mention Ron Paul was second. They don't want him to win and it has NOTHING to do with Iran getting a nuke. Hell the current administration and the last one still haven't bombed Iran over their nuclear program, why should Ron Paul? Why would he want to kill millions of innocent Iranians because they 'might get a nuke'? Why would he want to invade another country because of something they "might" do? My neighbor has a shotgun, should I run over there and shoot him up because someday he "might" use it on me? Let me ask you this: Lets say you're in a gang of 300 people and you all have baseball bats ( United States ) and you live on the west side of the street, and one day a gang of 2 people ( Iran ) moves in across the street from you and they have 2 baseball bats among themselves ( Iran ). Should the gang of 300 baseball batters run across the street and beat the **** out of the gang of two because they also have bats and "might" use them one day? They might stand on their front porch and talk ****, but do you think they're actually going to have the balls to start something? Iranian leadership isn't as dumb as the American media would have you believe folks. They know they are SURROUNDED by nuclear warheads, not just Israel's 300 .......... they are SURROUNDED by other countries who have nukes; they aren't that dumb. But the media keeps telling you there's a Boogie man, and you should be scared; they'd have you think there's a terrorist behind every stop sign if they thought you'd buy into it. The media is run by the big banks; the big banks make BIG money from selling war supplies, invading other countries and stealing their natural resources. Why do you think the bankers are using our military to invade all these other countries right now? Because there's a Boogieman? .... No ... because they want their oil and opium and other natural resources, and they want to set up a central bank everywhere there's currently not one. It's all about the money and their making you believe there's a Boogieman that's gonna get you if we don't invade-invade-invade. This is how the gain public support for their wars, by SCARING the American public; by initiating false flag operations against us to scare us into giving up our liberties and agreeing to let them go to war ......... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Wake the hell up.

[Adam Montana] Morning room! [Adam Montana] Just here to share a quick link [kcw] good morning [Yrral] Adam Montana morning sir [VIZIOIRAQI] Adam GM sir [Adam Montana] http://iqd.me/l/11s [Adam Montana] it's an article specifically addressing Chapter 7 [Adam Montana] states that although the US troops [Adam Montana] (God bless them all) [Adam Montana] are leaving, that does not mean Iraq is automatically out of Chapter 7 [Adam Montana] why is this a good article? [Adam Montana] simple [Adam Montana] we've heard from several Iraqi leaders lately, saying that Iraq is sovereign etc [Adam Montana] this puts it out there that Iraq is NOT sovereign [Adam Montana] now that it is being directly addressed [Adam Montana] it must be dealt with [Adam Montana] and that's a GREAT thing for us [Adam Montana] so [Adam Montana] hopefully this will be an awesome week in Dinar, if it doesn't get dealt with this week [Adam Montana] at least we know it's on the table and our time is coming soon! [Adam Montana] that's it for now, will be in for the regular Wednesday chat at the normal time on Wednesday [Adam Montana] [shunshine] Still waiting for UN to lift the Chapter 7 after all boots off ground correct. [Adam Montana] shunshine or sooner [Adam Montana] but yes [shunshine] ty [Adam Montana] UN has to lift it [shunshine] right [shunshine] gotcha ty [Adam Montana] and then we're zoooooooooooom! off to the bank, with any luck! [Adam Montana] [shunshine] [Adam Montana] have a great day

Hey guys, I'm just wondering why nobody has ever thought of the RV/RD this way before? Well actually the real credit of this thread goes to "JonnyLeo" who made a post about this earlier today BUT I have decided to give it a better understanding of what he was trying to say BUT got nothing except -1's for posting in the "news" section and for typing in CAPS. JonnyLeo's original thread that he posted earlier today (and I'm so glad he did) really got me thinking and got me excited! With all the articles that the CBI has ever posted about what they intend to do with the Iraqi Dinar (IQD) I believe and feel are 100% true and that there really never has been any smoke and mirrors. And because of all this misunderstanding of all the translated CBI news articles in the past until present many people have got worried and turn into LOPSTERS and so fourth. Whenever Shabibi of the CBI announced his intentions in regards to the Iraqi Dinar (IQD), he was always talking to the people of Iraq. Why would Shabibi be making these statements to the world other than Iraq itself...........why would would he care for other than his own country? Why would he tell the world that by raising the value of the Iraqi Dinar so in order to increase the purchasing power for his people of Iraq. Shabibi couldn't care less about telling the world and he wouldn't even for a moment by telling people outside of Iraq that the Iraqi Dinar that we hold will increase in value as a result by raising the value of the Iraqi Dinar so he can give ADDED or increased purchasing power to his own people. This is why Shabibi's statement have only been to his people of Iraq and have not been meant for the world so as to us people outside of Iraq think nothing but Redenomination (RD) in a bad way and cause worry by turning many of us into LOPSTERS........and this is what Shabibi wants so that he can control the speculation and retract as much as of our current Dinar as possible into his CBI vault for destroying or so fourth. Never once has Shabibi said the world that he would NOT honor the face value of our current Dinar and never once has he said that he would not give people outside of Iraq $25,000 for their 25K Iraqi Dinar note if he were to raise the value 1:1 by replacing it with the NEW Dinar. Okay guys I believe that you understand what I'm trying to say here and that is Shabibi has always been talking to the people of Iraq and not us outside of Iraq.........so please let me know if I need to explain myself a little bit more and I will do my best to give you a proper understanding. So let's all just relax and wait for this thing to happen...........as nobody really knows exactly how this is all going to happen and since today and many thanks to "JonnyLeo" that I believe that we have been reading this whole RD thing in the wrong way all this time since LOP talk began! P.S So whenever Shabibi said to the people of Iraq that he intended to raise the value of the Iraqi Dinar and delete the 3 zero's (old notes) he was referring to increasing the "PURCHASING" power of the current Iraqi Dinar (IQD) and removing (deleting) the OLD Iraqi Dinar (IQD) by Re-denominating it with a NEW Iraqi Dinar in which the current 25K Iraqi Dinar note will become "Worth" 25 Iraqi Dinars (Whether Shabibi means a NEW 25 Iraqi Dinar note or just a NEW 20+5 Iraqi Dinar notes is the question we won't know the answer to until it happens.

It is AWESOME that this is being discussed - IMO one of the best articles out right now. They've been skirting around Chapter 7 lately, the Iraqi gov't keeps saying things to make people think Chapter 7 is released, but this article clearly brings it to our attention and puts the matter on the table. Front and center, baby! ADDRESS IT. Lift Chapter 7, restore value to the Dinar, and let's have a party!

12-4-2011 Guru.. Enorrste I...listened to the "Commitment Ceremony" broadcast live in Iraq from the US White House website early...(Thursday 12/1/11). US Vice President Joe Biden’s speech ...congratulated Iraq on its new status as a sovereign nation. What I find curious is that not all the US troops have left, so one would think that this ceremony would have be held after the last troop had left, not before. The other curious fact is that Iraq is not truly a sovereign country UNTIL the dinar has been revalued. A sovereign nation must have an internationally tradable currency to BE fully sovereign...this ceremony now (instead of later) indicates to me that this revalue is truly about to pop anytime...they can’t wait for the last few troops to leave to declare their sovereignty to their people because the revalue is about to be triggered and it must be done in a climate that states “we are in control of our country; we did this revalue, not the Americans.”..the mainstream US press has reported...that Iraq Prime Minister Maliki has been scheduled to meet with President Obama on December 12th. That meeting...sure looks to me like a reception for a head of state, and that means to me that the revalue would have been made official by then. We are closer than ever. I do belive this is all that people are asking for. Back up your intel with the source you got your intel from. Not my high ranking undisclosed friend in low places who crawled out from under his camel to give me this non verifiable doesn't make any sense intel. Seriously how any times are you going to cry wolf before the wolf shows up to do his damage... Now I can take what he has to say more seriously and then if I want I can go to his source and listen for myself to see if I agree or disagree. That is what a mature investor does. Not spew venom from the volcanic mountain of misinformation.

TheRock chat in BondlLady's chat Monday posted by TheRock (a good read but long) 12/05/2011 [TheRock] how would everyone like a monday chat [bondLady] rock has put together [bondLady] a most awsome chat for us today [shunshine] yes love surprises [bondLady] if every 1 will sit on hands while he does this [bondLady] and we can have comments pertaining to what he says only [bondLady] as it wil make it easier to copy an clean up to post [campdav] TheRock go for it [bondLady] admins ill copy but plz tell all new ones entering to sit on hands plz [TheRock] ok I am going to start back to Oct [bondLady] heresssssssssssssssssssssssss rocky [TheRock] The head of the Liberal: the Iraqi economy will improve after the departure of U.S. troops from Iraq 26/10/2011 13:09:00 The independent Iraqi news agency / Baghdad - The head of the Liberal parliamentary Bahaa al-Araji, at a conference in the House of Representatives with the various Iraqi political blocs and the host central bank governor, "Shabibi" that the Iraqi economy will improve after the departure of U.S. troops from Iraq. Araji said the reporter (and independent Iraqi news agency) "that there are four important things were discussed with the Governor of the Central Bank of Iraq's economic future, first after the occupation and how to restore economic activity through the profits to be provided by the Iraqi economy . Saying was "discussed the possibility of the distribution share of the oil to the Iraqi citizen. Noting "that the governor welcomed this proposal and prepared to cooperate to achieve this important project. Adding, "discussed the private banks and retail banking, remittances, and how to adjust and with great regret we received information that there are points of a terrorist group and Saddam's Baath The control of these banks. He explained" were discussing these things because we are at the doors of the liberation of Iraq and return of Iraqi sovereignty, even to Anattiy way for terrorists. He said al-Araji said the most important matter which has been discussed is to delete the zeros of the Iraqi currency and the pros in this project. Stressing that "the world view to the Iraqi dinar because of the loss of sovereignty would be a diminution of the dinar and the evacuation of troops will raise the value of Iraqi dinar. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ina-iraq.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitical%2F3269.html [TheRock] "Shabibi" that the Iraqi economy will improve after the departure of U.S. troops from Iraq. [TheRock] Shabibi said the economy will improve [TheRock] He has always done what he said he was going to do [TheRock] Stressing that "the world view to the Iraqi dinar because of the loss of sovereignty would be a diminution of the dinar and the evacuation of troops will raise the value of Iraqi dinar. [TheRock] Because the lose of Sovereignty when Chapter 7 of the UN resolution was applied the Dinar lost its value. “diminution of the dinar” [TheRock] We know Shabibi said the Iraqi economy will improve AFTER our troops leave [TheRock] After our troops leave ,, will raise the value of Iraqi dinar. [TheRock] its plain as day what Shabibi wants to do [TheRock] Let me bring in another article that tells how involved we are with Iraq [TheRock]Joint Statement by The United States of America and The Republic of Iraq Higher Coordinating Committee The United States of America and the Republic of Iraq are committed to forging a strong partnership based on mutual interests that will continue to grow for years to come. Our two nations are entering a new phase in our relationship. We have a historic opportunity to strengthen our ties beyond security and build a multi-faceted relationship through trade, education, culture, law enforcement, environment, energy, and other important areas. [TheRock] Trade and Finance Cooperation [TheRock] do you see that and how committed we are? [bondLady] yep The United States and Iraq will continue their efforts to reinforce their financial and trade cooperation and to strengthen ties between our nations’ business communities. For the first time since 1988, the U.S. participated in the recent Baghdad International Trade Fair, showcasing 85 American businesses and organizations and building on the success of the Business and Investment Conference held in Washington, D.C. in 2009. The United States is supporting the Government of Iraq’s efforts in the financial sector by providing the technical expertise needed to develop private banks and microfinance institutions. In this context, the United States is developing new lending products for small and medium enterprises, in addition to the roughly $50 million set aside for such loans. Our governments are looking forward to the next meeting and recommendations of the U.S.-Iraq Business Dialogue, a forum of Iraqi and U.S. companies that promises to strengthen commercial ties between our countries. [TheRock] The USA is fully supporting Iraq in ALL areas [TheRock] The USA and Iraq have agreed to partner to build a strong Iraq. ttp://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/11/30/joint-statement-united-states-america-and-republic-iraq-higher-coordinat November 30, 2011[TheRock] ok now here is a BIG thing what is going on and IMO what is holding things up [TheRock] CHAPTER VII: ACTION WITH RESPECT TO THREATS TO THE PEACE, BREACHES OF THE PEACE, AND ACTS OF AGGRESSION [TheRock] Article 39 The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security. [TheRock] Article 41 The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations. [TheRock] Article 42 Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations. http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter7.shtml [TheRock] It is clear by article 41 of Chapter 7 that Iraq’s funds were frozen and thus hindered and or stopped Iraq’s ability to trade international.] [TheRock] Article 41 did not produce the results expected and caused us to go to war with Iraq.] [TheRock] After the printing of the new Dinar the exchange rate revalued a few times. This was for in country only and to control inflation by the CBI. [TheRock] Around Jan. 2009 the rate of 1170 came in and stayed since. Inflation since 2003 has also come down from as high as about 140% to as low of about 5% [TheRock] Article 7 is a BIG thing [TheRock] unless they are removed they will NOT be fully sovereign nor able to do internation business [TheRock] Here are some great links to look at: http://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/tad/exportal.aspx?memberKey1=460&date1key=2008-08-31&category=EXCHRT http://www.cbi.iq/statistics.html http://www.cbi.iq/images/inflation_chart.jpg http://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/tad/exfin1.aspx [TheRock] ok lets move on [TheRock] Saturday, 3 December 2011 Shara describes a step toward the withdrawal of occupation out of Iraq from Chapter VII Agencies - described the deputy parliamentary bloc of the citizen and the withdrawal of U.S. occupation, not to grant immunity to coaches step forward in Iraq would emerge from Chapter VII. The MP said Furat al-Shara that "the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the country at the end of the year 2011 as part of the security agreement concluded between the two countries and not to grant legal immunity for trainers will be channeled towards the exit of Iraq from Chapter VII of the UN Security Council." He added that "this step will significantly contribute to the restoration of Iraq to full sovereignty, and its weight, the truth status of the region and the international community. " The U.S. President Barak Obama announced on 21 October last, that his country's troops in Iraqi territory would be in the United States during the holidays, stressing that Washington will support Iraq in all fields. http://alrayy.com/36799.htm [TheRock] Legal immunity for trainers will be channeled towards the exit of Iraq from chapter 7. [TheRock] Is this the one issue that holds Iraq in chapter 7? [TheRock] Is it also possible that the USA will NOT remove Iraq from chapter 7 unless they give USA trainers immunity while in Iraq? [TheRock] USA is bargaining with Iraq [TheRock] Ashur: any agreement between Baghdad and Washington must include out of the reach regulation VII Date: Monday, 05-12-2011 11: 06 am Baghdad (newsletter).Iraqi list Adviser Hani Ashour said any agreement with the Iraqi Government expected the US Administration on military cooperation and keep instructors or US troops in Iraq, mean that Iraq has no national sovereignty unless emerging from Chapter VII. Ashur said in a press statement Monday: Iraqi Government when it signed Convention security in 2008 and was scheduled to withdraw by the end of the year, had confirmed that the signing of the Convention intended to eject Iraq under Chapter VII, [TheRock] but this did not materialize. [TheRock] Ashour said: the departure of US troops from Iraq did not mean the return of full sovereignty to Iraq as long as the country will remain subject to Chapter VII. [TheRock] calling on the Iraqi Government not to sign any agreement during any future negotiations with the US side without undertaking and commitment to bring Iraq under Chapter VII and during a specific time period, in order to fulfil the commitments between the two countries. Ashour said: the security agreement between Iraq and the United States being the withdrawal in the light of the strategic framework for cooperation has not been fully implemented, and that the Iraqi Government should disclose all facts to people before undertaking any new agreement with the US Administration on trainers, military cooperation and develop Iraqi forces after the withdrawal and oblige us to bring Iraq party under Chapter VII. [TheRock] The Iraqi Government was seeking to remove Iraq from the pain of this item which was imposed on Iraq for former regime's lack of commitment to implement UN resolutions for its invasion of Kuwait in 1990./finished/o. Eng.. http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=ar&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ikhnews.com%2Fnews.php%3Faction%3Dview%26id%3D26206 [TheRock] Iraq WILL NOT return to FULL Sovereignty until they are out of Chapter 7[TheRock]Iraq wants out of Chapter 7 and they also want FULL Sovereignty. [TheRock]IMO they will not have FULL sovereignty until USA has immunity for trainers. [TheRock] Monday 5 December 2011 Ashour, calling on the government to refrain from signing any agreement with Washington Baghdad / babysit - called adviser to the Iraqi List, Hani Ashour, the Iraqi government to refrain from signing any agreement with the United States without a pledge to bring the country from Chapter VII, considering that the continuation of this will prevent the restoration of sovereignty to Iraq following the U.S. withdrawal is expected late this month. [TheRock] A statement issued by the Information Office of the Ashour him as saying on Monday that the Iraqi government when it signed a security pact with Washington in 2008, which was that of determining the date for the withdrawal of U.S. troops end of the year 2011, had assured the time it aims to rid Iraq of the item Chapter VII, But this did not happen, considering that the exit of the U.S. military [TheRock] does not mean the return of full sovereignty to Iraq as long as the country is subject to Chapter VII. http://alrayy.com/36974.htm [TheRock] Iraq will refrain signing any agreements with the USA without a pledge to bring Iraq out of chapter 7. [TheRock] An agreement was signed that when our troops leave Iraq will be removed from Chapter 7 [TheRock] Again it is my opinion that United States will not allow Iraq to be removed from chapter 7 until our trainers get immunity. [TheRock] Unless Iraq is removed from Chapter 7 fully they are NOT a FULL Sovereign country and will lack the ability to do international trades. [TheRock] We know investors have come in and continue to but being under Chapter 7 limits the ability to fully enter into the international community. [TheRock] Iraqi list Adviser Hani Ashour said any agreement with the Iraqi Government expected the US Administration on military cooperation and keep instructors or US troops in Iraq,********* mean that Iraq has no national sovereignty****** unless *******emerging from Chapter VII.************ Ashur said in a press statement Monday: Iraqi Government when it signed Convention security in 2008 and was scheduled to withdraw by the end of the year, had confirmed that the signing of the Convention********** intended to eject Iraq under Chapter VII,********** but this did not materialize. Ashour said: the departure of US troops from Iraq did not mean the return of full sovereignty to Iraq ********as long as the country will remain subject to Chapter VII.********** calling on the Iraqi Government not to sign any agreement during any future negotiations with the US side********** without undertaking and commitment to bring Iraq under Chapter VII******* and during a specific time period,******* in order to fulfil the commitments between the two countries.***********Ashour said: the security agreement between Iraq and the United States being the withdrawal in the light of the strategic framework******* for cooperation has not been fully implemented, *********and that the Iraqi Government should disclose******* all facts******* to people before undertaking any new agreement with the US Administration on trainers,****** military cooperation and develop Iraqi forces after the withdrawal******* and oblige us to bring Iraq party under Chapter VII. http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=ar&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ikhnews.com%2Fnews.php%3Faction%3Dview%26id%3D26206 [TheRock] There you have it and in my opinion the immunity issue has been a BIG issue thus far [TheRock] why [TheRock] because Iraq and USA are partners [TheRock] and the USA WILL NOT allow our trainers be subject to their laws [TheRock] Iraq needs us [TheRock] and we need them [TheRock] the immunity issue is a bargaining issue and we hold the aces [TheRock] without them giving our trainers immunity [TheRock] Iraq reamins in chapter 7 [TheRock] and can not enter into the international community the way they want to [TheRock] yes investors can go there and do business [TheRock] and build infrastructures and oil wells [TheRock] but the international business is hindered very much [TheRock] untill they ARE FULL Sovereign [TheRock] and as long as the US holds that Iraq will remain [TheRock] give our trainers immunity [TheRock] and we will remove you from Chapter 7 [TheRock] Iraq is ready to revalue and make the Dinar more valuable [TheRock] Shabibi has educated the media and people [TheRock] he is ready but can not do it until Iraq has FULL Sovereignty [bondLady]it sure is looking like per the articles weve seen the last few days rock that u could very well be spot on with this [TheRock] Immunity for the trainers is what we need and Iraq needs out of Chapter 7 [TheRock] Immunity for the trainers is what we need and Iraq needs out of Chapter 7 [TheRock] All our troops are leaving soon [TheRock] but unless IMO they give our trainers immunity Iraq reamins in Chapter 7 [TheRock] Iraq its your move [TheRock] we call [TheRock] and hold the aces [TheRock] done [bondLady] that was one of the best chats ive had the opurtunity to read and be a part of ty so much rock [grashopa] ..I agree w/BL....TheRock ....You very well my have hit the nail on the head.............GREAT job.... [TheRock] BondLady yw [TheRock] you taught me well BondLady [TheRock] ty [TheRock] we follow news and try to decipher it the best we can [bondLady] rock presented u all facts with links [campdav] TheRock Solid Rock, a bedrock of facts [bondLady] this is what its all about [Laura] TheRock Great chat and thanks!!! This sounds like it could very well be done soon...awesome...give us the immunity...we release you from chapter 7...sounds good to me!!! [br_dinar] TheRock Great Chat Excellent! [TheRock] when its posted go over it and think.. I know I did not have everything nor all the answers [player46] TheRock ..good chat and TY. In your opinion, what does immunity completely entail? Not subject to their laws? [TheRock] thats why we work together to figure it out [bondLady] yeppers [TheRock] without emotions or rumors getting in the way [cranster] here's what glenn beck said today. He said "I talked to a couple currency people this weekend, and one guy who's supposed to be one of the best, but I didn't really get an answer from him" He went on to say " I have to do more research on this, but I think if I'm right, I know where the big money is going and there may be a way for the average person to get on the boat, but it's kinda of a scary risky thing if you don't have a lot of money" He said "I don't even know if anybody does this in real life it's a theory of mine, donimic give me a few more days on this and I'll let you know about this particular piece I was talking about" ebbedy ebbedy... that's all folks

A few events taking place between now and the 15th. I was putting together an outline of events for my own piece of mind but I thought as I was doing this some of you may see a benefit in it too, so here it is. It has links to back up the events and should be considered news worthy but if the mods want to move it by all means do so, just thought it would help a few members out there. There are a few that I could not find the links to but I know redsand and a few others are much better than me in finding them, so please feel free in posting the links if you wish. 12/5 Realignment of the Global Financial System via The Worlds Central Banks http://articlesofinterest-kelley.blogspot.com/2011/11/central-banks-currency-swapsforeign.html http://articlesofinterest-kelley.blogspot.com/2011/11/central-banks-in-joint-action-to-boost.html 12/6 Last troops leaving?-some debate because some articles say by the 15th Could not find the link to the article about troops leaving on the 6th but It is out there 12/6 IRAQ AND UN -TUESDAY, DECEMBER 6TH @ 10:00 AM-11 AM ~ UN AND IRAQ ~ UN SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING WITH IRAQ ... 12/7-8 WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 7TH AND THURSDAY DEC. 8TH 2011~ THE MONTERREY CONSENSUS AND DOHA DECLARATION ON FINANCING AND DEVELOPMENT Resolution adopted by the General Assembly Read more: 12/7-8 Iraq Security ~ December 7-8-2011 ~ Iraq Defense & Security Summit 2011 ... http://articlesofinterest-kelley.blogspot.com/2011/11/iraq-security-december-7-8-2011-iraq.html 12/12 Iraq's Maliki ~December 12th ~ Iraq's Leader Heading to U.S. http://articlesofinterest-kelley.blogspot.com/2011/11/december-12th-iraq-leader-heading-to-us.html 12/15 Final Ceremony at the US Embassy in Iraq 12/15 Last troops leaving for sure according to the latest news anyway There are more I am sure, if you would add what I have forgotten that would help We are all in this together, lop or no lop, this site and other sites, our members or their members we all have one common denominator that's the Iraq Dinar and what we all hope is to be a profit from or investment in Iraq with the money that we have all worked so very hard for, in our purchase of their currency. That being said I would like to give some credit to to the following; Adam Montana - A Special Thanks to YOU!!! Going Global-East Meets West Bondlady The IQD Team The Get Team & a special thanks to Historian All the Members here that have posted a lot of insightful information, news and thought into our community The Mods, with out you we would be in utter chaos To all of us that has help support their economy thru the purchase of the Iraq Dinar over the many years And most important of all, The US Military and those who lost their lives and were wounded fighting for Freedom and the rights of others that could not fight for themselves!!!!!!!! If Iraq is successful they will make history by setting an example for the rest of the Middle East. God Bless America and God Bless The New Republic of Iraq

I'm willing to look into Ron Paul. I'll admit I have not taken him seriously.

Kim, you'd be surprised how much Ron Paul could get done in 72 hours with the stroke of a pen. He could reverse the hell out of some unconstitutional executive orders that would turn this country upside down on it's head with FREEDOM and PROSPERITY. Ron can't do it all alone, but what he can do is give America a real taste of freedom with a few strokes of a pen that would put so much pressure on other politicians to back him, that if they didn't, they'd be black listed and run out of their homes with pitchforks. He could have a few state of union addresses on live TV and explain to all Americans the fraud their living under with the Federal Reserve Bank the IRS that it would turn this country upside down on it's head. What do you think would happen if the President of the United States went on National TV for an hour and told all Americans that the IRS has been stealing your money since 1913 and I'm about to put a stop to it by abolishing the Federal Reserve Bank. All I need you to do is put pressure on your Senators and Congressman to get behind me and we'll get this done. If that news broke (which it would under a Paul presidency, he's been fighting the Federal Reserve for decades), Americans would be storming IRS buildings by the droves ... lol Don't underestimate the power of the Office of the Presidency. The problem is: We've had so many corrupt presidents who don't want America free; they get caught up the money and power (Ron Paul is NOT corruptible .... Period!) and don't care anything about releasing our chains. They LIKE THE POWER ........ Ron hates the power and if he wins, you'll see for the first time since 1913 a FREE America. You think he doesn't know the bankers will try to assassinate him? ....... Hell, he was in the movie "America: Freedom to Fascism" with Aaron Russo ........ Go watch that one if you want to see the proof that the IRS is a fraud. I think if he wins, he'll go underground for a long time until he gets this mess cleaned up and won't put himself in harms way. He knows they'll try and kill him .......... If that doesn't warm your heart to the guy, nothing will. He know's he's possibly dead on arrival, and is still trying to abolish the Federal Reserve Bank ........ Name me another one of these scumbags that's willing to put his life on the line for you and I like that? He's the ONLY man willing to do the job ......... Period! God Bless and I hope you vote for Ron, he's truly a peoples Champ.

I am a member of Mensa and have an I.Q. of 169. So when I tell you that there is a vast difference in intelligence and knowledge, you may be able to understand that, if you are, indeed, as intelligent as you claim, you still have a distance to go to gather the knowledge needed to tell us we will never be rich. Furthermore, you lie. You can't write a sentence without an effort at sarcasm, but it is clear that your only purpose was an attempt to disappoint me a priori in my hopes and dreams regarding the dinar. However, if what you claim is true, you are certainly not sorry about it, which means you are lying. If you will lie about this small thing, you will lie about much bigger things as well, such as the possibilities of the dinar. Words are very powerful, and you should be much more careful how you use them.

I posted early this morning that Glenn Beck would be close to my house for a book signing in the Woodlands, TX. I went to the signing. I got there at 9:45 and was about 35th in line. Signing started late at about 1:40. Glenn shook my hand and I asked him "is the Iraqi Dinar the currency thing you're talking about?" He looked me straight in the eye, smiled and said "Yes". The guy behind me asked me what I asked him and I told him it was about a comment Glenn made yesterday on the radio. Now what does that mean? I have no idea. Guess we can listen on Monday and see what he has to say. The thing is, the IQD is on Becks radar now. This is first hand knowledge and Beck is very well connected. I look forward to Mondays show. Mak63

Just a few thoughts regarding the dinar. Like many on here, I have held some dinar for 8 years. These are my thoughts today. Absolutely no one on these sites knows anything about the timing of the RV, or the rate of the RV. They just don't know. Period. A year and a half ago I had my own brush with "knowing someone" who worked on Wall Street. And I spoke to him; he gave me a window; well, a year and a half after the window expired I can tell you that he didn't know anymore than any of you. Shocking isn't it? LOL What my intuition tells me is this. Ali had a chat on another site a couple of weeks ago. He spoke of his bank in Iraq; and how he is finishing the details towards that purchase. If that is true, let's think about this. Why would he purchase a bank in Iraq? To afford himself the luxury to deal with customers who might have a lot of money after an RV? Or to deal with a bunch of broke-jokers who made absolutely no money because the dinar lopped? Could Ali know something regarding the RV? Why not? I'm not saying he knows the rate or the date; but, I believe that if anyone knows the details regarding the currency change, it would be Ali. Why would I say that? Because he has sold much dinar over the years, and I think a guy would be very naive to think that he has no "contacts" on the ground in the middle east. I'm following that line of thinking. I do not believe that the RV will occur prior to 1/1/2012. Why? Because I believe that Ali's bank will be up and running prior to the RV. And on top of that, DD has said on more than one occasion that he is working on banking issues in the middle east as well. Has to be with Ali. Right? In summary, I don't see an RV until 2012; but I just don't see the lop either. It doesn't make any sense. Have a great December.

Wow. The cake is out of the oven and awaiting the icing. The flash bulbs should be popping soon, along with champagne corks. This is all following a well thought out script, and if anybody thinks that decisions regarding Chapter 7 and budgets are still playing out, pay attention. The players are in the Green Room getting their makeup done, the Fat Lady is gargling in her dressing room, and the marching bands are polishing their shoes. JMHO, of course.

Guys i have been wrong about how Jesus is not apart of Christmas much anymore, let me explain. You see over the years Commercialism has overtaken our minds about what the true meaning is about. I thought Jesus was being exempted and pushed out of Christmas season but i was wrong. Jesus is very much alive this time of year. If you set around the malls and listen to people who are impatient in a hurry or just plain arrogant they envoke the name of Jesus in alot of their converstaions. Here are some of them::::: JESUS LOOK AT THAT IDIOT JESUS WILL YOU HURRY UP JESUS WATCH WHERE YOU ARE GOING JESUS CAN'T SHE COUNT ANY FASTER. JESUS I'M IN A HURRY GET OUT OF MY WAY JESUS WHAT THE F IS YOUR PROBLEM JESUS I COULD HAVE DONE THAT FASTER THAN THAT JESUS WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT As you can see he is much loved. People use his name to express themselves in a negative manner and what they don't realize is it is one more mark against them. People get tatoo's of a cross or wear a cross around their neck when they have no compassion what so ever for its meaning. These are marks against someone to be answered to Jesus himself when the time comes. Jesus is still in hearts of the faithful. Happy Holidays everyone with a Merry Merry Christmas...........Heavyduty053

This is an update about my daughter, the one that you may of you prayed for after her miscarriage. As I posted a little while back, she was with child. They just found out on Sat. that they are going to have a girl. They are going to name her after my dad, with the girls spelling Claire. (Male spelling Clair) I started to cry. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Thanks again for all your prayers. Blessings on you all.

Thx But U Can Follow Ur Own Advice Sir Isaac. Just Remember that What Throws Up Must Come Down ! :D

This is a great Monday A.M.!! Let's get this taken care of, RV at a large amount, say $3 to 1D , cashin, and then let the entire area alone. It is a power keg and the civil disputes, wars among the tribes and nations will continue. Islamic peace is "do what I say!" and every leader wants to be his words that are being obeyed. I just want the RV to happen, to get off this ride, and to enjoy my retirement. Selfish? Maybe. But the battle in the ME has been going on for four thousand years. Our presence (U.S.) will not change things. The GREAT investments in Iraq may be the best in the world for the next four years, but the turmoil will continue. Why? They do not understand peace. Just my opinion. Getter' dun.

just wanted to let the site know that i ran an ip trace on the very difficult janderson, it so happens that he was the even more difficult gt5junkie, i would recommend just ignoring him. he likes to tell all the dinar holders how stupid we are, but yet still comes on here. why would he come on here if he doesnt believe in the rv you ask, who knows, but he must have a pretty boring life wasting his time on something he doesnt believe in........................................sad i know

Pay particular attention to #1 and #4....this is talking directly to people on this site! 4 Psychological Processes That Are Ruining AmericaWhat's (psychologically) wrong with America? Published on December 1, 2011 by Ronald E. Riggio, Ph.D. in Cutting-Edge Leadership Polls in the last two years tell us that people believe that the United States is in an economic and social decline. While most fingers are pointed at the economy, there are some psychological processes at work that have contributed to this sense of decline. These processes, some of which represent the "dark side" of human nature, have made a bad situation even worse. What will pull us out of this seeming downward spiral? A better understanding of these negative psychological processes, and developing ways to combat them. 1. The We-They Feeling. This well-researched psychological construct is at the heart of prejudice and discrimination. It is the tendency to see in-group members ("We") in a positive light and perceive out-group members ("They") negatively. While the we-they feeling creates unity and cohesiveness among in-group members, it leads to vilifying, and sometimes mistreating, out-group members. We see this in the polarization of American politics. "We (Republicans or Democrats) are the good guys, they are bad. (There's a guy who stands outside my local post office with a poster of Obama with a Hitler mustache; I saw the same mustache on George W. Bush's photo a few years back). The polarized news media and mudslinging politics feeds this negative psychology. The result: A country divided. A stalemated Congress that is unable and unwilling to work together. Bad feelings and hatred on all sides. Solution: Psychology tells us that to combat the we-they feeling we need to focus on shared goals— "superordinate" goals that both sides value. We need to realize our commonalities, and focus primarily on similarities and shared purpose rather than differences. 2. Blaming the Victim. This is a truly insidious psychological process that is fostered by the American value of self-reliance and a "pull-yourself-up-by-your bootstraps" mentality. Attribution theory tells us that people like to find the cause of bad events, and we have a cognitive bias toward blaming people for their own misfortune. What is the result? We tend to place blame on the victim. "Why was she raped? She dressed provocatively." "Why was he mugged? He should have been more careful." Take the mortgage crisis. "They should have known better than to take out such big and risky loans." Never mind the predatory and complex lending practices, persuasive marketing, and the real estate bubble that would eventually burst. Put Blaming the Victim together with the We-They Feeling, and you get Scapegoating. "Who is to blame for all of our economic and social woes? Immigrants, the shiftless poor who refuse to pull themselves up, and so on. Solution: We look for simple causes, when causes are actually a complex interaction of people's actions and situational factors. Rather than the knee-jerk response of blaming the victim, we need to be aware of and consider the complexity. Poverty, for example, is not just a motivational issue, but an interplay of lack of opportunity, scarce resources such as jobs and education, and misfortune (e.g., the death of a family breadwinner), in addition to individual factors. Social policies need to consider such complexities. 3. Diffusion of Responsibility. Social psychological research has shown that the greater the number of people available to provide assistance the less likely people are to help because we think that someone else will do it (Remember the Black Friday story of the man in a store who had a heart attack and was ignored and stepped over by throngs of enthusiastic holiday shoppers? Was it callousness or a diffusion of responsibility?). This same diffusion of responsibility extends to behaviors such as charitable giving, preservation of the environment, and voting ("what difference will one person make?"). Solution: We need to take personal responsibility for our communities, our country and our world. Don't expect others to do the work, clean up the mess, change the world. We all need to be engaged and responsible citizens. 4. Egocentric Biases. America is a complex and often contradictory culture. While we are one of the nations that are most likely to help our fellow man, we are also prone to "turn a blind eye" to the suffering of others. While we value initiative and hard work, we also believe that we "have something coming to us" and that we deserve good things. We strive to be the best, but we also believe that "all men [and women?] are created equal." Our individualistic nature leads us to have many egocentric biases—to exaggerate our self-importance. And this is a problem. We are a culture intoxicated by fame and by wealth. I heard Lady Gaga tell her Madison Square Garden audience, "you can all be famous; you can all be up here on this stage." Well, guess what? We all can't. AND, we won't all win the lottery and become instant millionaires, and the sooner we realize that the better. The Declaration of Independence speaks of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," not fame or wealth (and I doubt that either would make many people happy). We need to be aware of the negative psychological processes that are holding us back as individuals and a society, and overcome them. It's the path to get the nation and our lives back on track http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cutting-edge-leadership/201112/4-psychological-processes-are-ruining-america

Today Liberty Legal Foundation filed a motion for a preliminary injunction with the Arizona Federal Court asking that the Democratic Party be prohibited from sending any document to any state asserting that Barack Obama is Constitutionally qualified to hold the office of President or certifying that Obama is the Democratic Presidential nominee or requesting that Obama’s name be placed on any ballot. Our motion and proposed order can be viewed on our web site. Our motion is as simple as a motion can be. It asserts one uncontested fact and one legal definition, which is quoted directly from the Supreme Court. Our only argument for this motion is this: Obama’s father was never a U.S. citizen and the Supreme Court has defined “natural-born citizen” to be a person with two U.S. citizen-parents. This leaves the Democratic party only two options: Argue that Obama’s father was a U.S. citizen, or argue that the Supreme Court definition of natural-born citizen isn’t what it clearly is. They will NOT argue the former. They will argue the latter. This means that we will be exactly where we want to be: arguing what the definition of natural-born citizen is under the U.S. Constitution. This is the argument we want to have. Some may ask why we aren't addressing the birth certificate or the social security number or the various other inconsistencies in Obama's history and documentation. The reason is that confusion is the primary tool of legal defendants. If the defense can bring up a myriad of facts and legal jargon to confuse the issue, they win. If we raise every issue that is out there, the defendants will focus on our weakest argument and move the debate to their advantage. We want to control the argument and focus the Court to the major and most clear issue - the fact that Obama is not a "natural born citizen" by his own admission. Today we are in Phoenix Arizona meeting with Sheriff Joe Arpaio regarding our mutual efforts to bring Obama's ineligibility to light. Tonight I will be appearing with our lead Plaintiff in the Certification Class Action lawsuit, Presidential candidate John Dummett, before area Tea Party leaders and members. Date: December 5, 2011 Time: 6:30-8:30 PM Place: The Elks Lodge Phoenix Address: 14424 N. 32nd Street, Phoenix, Arizona Directions: North of Thunderbird on 32nd Street, South of Greenway on the West side of 32nd Street Liberty Legal Foundation is grateful to have members in all 50 States and around the world. However, if you happen to be in Phoenix, Arizona tonight, please come join us at this event. Tomorrow Presidential Candidate John Dummett and I will be personally serving the motion for preliminary injunction, along with our summons and amended complaint, on the Democratic Party’s Arizona headquarters. The summons and complaint can also be viewed on our web site. Summons Please continue to spread the word about these efforts. In order to add other state challenges to Obama being on the general ballot, we need more support. We need brave attorneys who are willing to serve as local counsel and we need more members who want to make these lawsuits successful. Please use this JOIN LINK to share with your friends.

Today, 06:17 PM Greetings Members. On behalf of Ray and his family, my wife and I, we all wish you a very safe upcoming Christmas Holiday. This concept or event really never crossed my mind until Ray called me with this from his contactinIraq. What happens whenone Iraqi loansanotherIraqi money. Theyreallydonot have much to loan,or a bank loaningmoney. Not sure muchofthat is going on, butI found this to be exceptionally interesting. I totallyforgot aboutthis partifthis in-countryinvestment. To me, if you think aboutthis,is verytelling andprettyinterestingas towhynow would they bring this up.I can onlyimagine orguess why.Ifthis was not abouttohappen, why make a big deal aboutit. Anyway, here is Ray's update forus: Steve, I just got off the phone with one of my Iraqi friends and he gave me this bit of information that I found very interesting. He said an article came out in a newspaper over there that they call the laborers newspaper. The article was from the Chief of Courts. In it, the people were being told that if they had any dealings with other people such as loans or contracts, that they had to decide “right now” how these loans or contracts were to be handled after the dinar revalues. He was saying that if you loaned someone 1000 usd, then you were to be paid back 1000 usd. If it was yen, it had to be paid back in yen. Euros to euros, dinar to dinar(same value). He stated that he did not want the courts filled up with a bunch of lawsuits after the revalue of dinar. He wanted the people of Iraq to have this sorted before the revalue and it wanted it done now. I especially liked the part about having it done “now”. It was like an urgency to do it now. I feel this is another indication that the RV is right around the corner. This is something I never would have thought of, but now it makes sense. Will send more as I get it. Have a blessed day and take of that ankle. Blessings, Ray Please just live each day to its fullest and let this happen. My wife and I pray for each andeveryone of you members daily asking that you all can stay strongas this very complex investment comes to an end blessing us way beyond our imaginations. Merry Christmas to all. Blessings from yourfamily to yours, Steve& Marion

This is the Best month so far for Dinar Vets! I love the way the good news is flooding in! How many People are really hopeful that the Rv will happen within the next 30 days? :lol:

Thanks for the driveby Adam. Aren't they (security council) meeting this week? Wasn't Iraq listed on the agenda? I seem to remember reading that somewhere, could someone help me with that? Having a senior moment again.

If Mr. Paul wins the nomination He will get my vote...no doubt about it.But if He doesn't get the nomination ,then decides to run as an independent...well then all He will be doing is paving the way for four more years of Obama...and that would suck!

I wish I could give you more than 1 + just like I wish I could give Ron Paul more than 1 vote public facebook posts on ron paul are great!. you can literally see people proclaiming their support for dr paul and then educating their friends about him. i rarely see this happening in any other public posts of other candidates and ive been watching these for about 6 months. do yourself a favor and bookmark his page and watch the conversion to ron paul support.

Apparently you don't know Ron Paul very well and you're listening to the MEDIA tell you what to think. Since when did national security involve invading other countries that "might" someday get a nuclear warhead? If that was the case, why aren't Russia and China and all other nuclear armed countries invading the United States? We have more nukes than all of them. Apparently their elected leaders aren't much on national defense since their not invading the US .... lol

Chapter 7 are United Nations sanctions, not bankruptcy Chap 7, but good point about us being bankrupt. We are both financially and morally bankrupt as a nation.

By Nouri al-Maliki, Published: December 4 Baghdad We stand at the threshold of a monumental juncture in the Iraqi-American relationship. A great many sacrifices by the Iraqi and the American people have enabled Iraq to discard the squalid regime of Saddam Hussein and establish a free and democratic society. As American troops depart in accordance with the Troops Withdrawal Agreement of 2008, we begin a new chapter based, as President Obama noted, on “mutual interests and mutual respect.” The decision to implement the agreement came after negotiations held with respect for each side’s sovereign and political decisions. Solidifying a durable relationship between our two countries is vital. In the coming months, we must mutually focus on economic growth as well as culture, education and the sciences. Iraq has progressed to the stage of state building. We are building more than a million homes for low-income families, and I look forward to seeing construction cranes and high-rises dotting the Baghdad skyline. The struggle for reconstruction is no less daunting than the struggle for security. We are working to breach barriers that impede investment so this vision can become a reality. I am working diligently with our Investment Commission to ensure the rights of foreign investors and to create an environment conducive to investment. While we have strived to put Iraq’s new democracy on the right path, challenges remain. The political process and relationships between the various political parties continue to develop. Fundamental disputes still surround the political composition of the Iraqi state. I believe these can be solved by combining and expanding the powers of the provinces while adhering to the unity of the state. Disputes concerning our constitution need to be solved through political means. A solution to the debates surrounding hydrocarbon is paramount to Iraq’s economic growth. I have supported legislation, which has been sent to the Council of Representatives, that would regulate this vital industry and resources commensurate with national partnership and the equitable distribution of wealth. We held three rounds of bidding last year and are preparing for a fourth. The stability of Iraq after the withdrawal of American forces has been a major concern of both our nations. I believe in the capabilities of our security forces and in the necessity of U.S. assistance. There are still some who seek the destruction of our country. The Baath Party, which is prohibited by the constitution, believes in coups and conspiracies; indeed, these have been its modus operandi since the party’s inception. The Baathists seek to destroy Iraq’s democratic process. Hundreds of suspected Baathists recently were arrested; some of those detained have been released while others are awaiting trial. Those still in custody will receive due process and equitable treatment under Iraqi law. These detainees come from all over Iraq, and I refute characterizations that the detentions were a sectarian action based on political motives. These steps were taken to protect Iraq’s democracy. Full article available at Washington Post - http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/building-a-stable-iraq/2011/12/04/gIQAhoxrTO_story.html

I don't think it has anything to do with apathy and detachment... What do you get out of telling us all there is to know about everybody else's religious beliefs? 1) Why have you been so active letting us know what the real "root of the problems" are? 2) Is this making you any money? 3) Are you getting richer with every post you have made on the two "Glen Beck" threads? I didn't think so... We are all here to discuss a potential investment possibility, not to discuss who believes what and who is right or wrong in their way of thinking. This just goes to show that you are a "smart" person and you know what you know, but it is not making you any more money is it? So the question I ask you is "What is the point of going into detail about your assumptions and religious beliefs?" I'm going to add the following: If your point is to show us that you are an intelligent person and you know things that we don't, well then it is actually pointless. Because like I said earlier, if it isn't making me more money then I don't want to hear it. It is useless information and just goes to prove my point that I stated earlier - Smart Does NOT Equal Rich. Oh and by the way, you have given Glenn Beck more attention than anybody else here, whether you know it or not. Positive or negative, the energy and attention you have given him has been far more than anybody else on this forum...

Or so he says at least. Sorry but after having seen so many Conservative figures use this as a crutch to gain votes and influence,I no longer put much faith behind it.And if he is deceiving Christians Beck surely wouldn't be the first.Thats what people used to say about George W before some of us realized what a crooked tool he was.

Come on members! This is not the forum for religious debate. I do not want to waste any time reading an individual's personal beliefs about religion. It serves no purpose; except to incite vitriolic responses and bashing. WE are all unique and talented in our own ways regardless of our personal faith; created to do great things here on earth. Believe it. Now, let's go to the movies!!!

Once you read this and all the referenced articles, you'll see that the media is flat ass lying to you about Iran. They are trying to sell America on the fact that we need to INVADE-INVADE and keep on INVADING ......... Iran. Ron Paul knows they are a very minimal threat if any at all. This is not an article about Ron Paul, it's just to show you what's really happening in and around Iran. All is not what it seems when the media only shows you two pages out of a 300 page book. Read the rest of the book ....... http://www.salon.com/2011/12/04/george_orwell_on_the_evil_iranians/singleton/ Ron Paul 2012 or you're going to witness the collapse of the US Dollar. He's the ONLY man willing to shut down the Federal Reserve Bank and the IRS that's stealing all YOUR money.

yeah... But the CBI is boring... The numbers always stay the same

If you've been in this for 8 years, you've more than doubled your investment. Turn that frown upside down, bud! (:

A couple more posts in that same thread ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Isabeau asks.... "So, hoggey1, Are you saying we need to sit back and relax and forget about a revalue outside of Iraq for a while? Everything you are saying will take time. Just interested in your opinion." Peace, Isabeau .......................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Hoggey1's response... "Isabeau, the only thing I'm saying is that article is being misinterpreted to mean everybody's currency will be lopped, when it seems clear to me (for the reasons stated) that it was written FBO Iraqis. Now in all fairness, I don't read Arabic and the article was written in Arabic. Even so, it has been translated into English and the translation specifically says "in country" and "local currency" and "payments system in Iraq." Now I can't read the author's mind any more than I can read Arabic; but this translation seems to be concerned with the local currency, and the payment systems in the country, and more precisely, the payments systems in Iraq. It says nothing about restructuring currency outside of Iraq: it only mentions "the local currency" being restructured. Maybe I'm wrong, perhaps I've misread the article or maybe it's a poor translation. I can't say either way. I'm only saying what I see and what makes sense (to me). There's always the possibility that I'm wrong. But here's another excerpt and word for word as it is translated. "The Central Bank of Iraq has decided to restructure the local currency in order to develop the payment system in the country, and start execution of the strategic long-term, specializes in the restructuring of the local currency for the development of the payments system in Iraq. The "International Monetary Fund calls Iraq a number of economic measures including the privatization of banks and raise three zeroes from the local currency." I don't see any mention of currency held outside Iraq. And if the Iraqis decide that they will also lop the currency being held outside Iraq for investment purposes, then they will have just intentionally scammed the very investors they used to increase their international reserve currency fund (called international reserves). The Iraqis have been selling their currency to foreigners, which BTW is useless outside of Iraq, to bring in foreign reserve currencies, which BTW can be used anywhere in the world (reserve currency = usable currency). If you understand the basic concept (FACT) that a currency is also a liability of the issuing nation, then you can appreciate the necessity for country like Iraq (really any nation) to have a substantial reserve of foreign reserve currencies to back their own currency. While Iraq is under an Article XIV Agreement with the IMF, and the currency's use is restricted to transactions inside Iraq, they don't so much need a sizeable international reserve fund (foreign reserve currencies) to back the dinar's exchange rate. But when Iraq moves to an Article VIII Agreement with the IMF, it will need to have a considerable reserve of foreign reserve currencies (called international reserves). And without going into too much detail here, Iraq has made it clear it plans to move to an Article VIII Agreement. Furthermore, it has stated it will work with IMF staff to make sure they'll be in compliance with "exchange laws and regulatons," and they're already considering measures to remove the "identified exchange restrictions on current international transactions." Note: I've posted extensively on this subject so please refer to those posts. See pages 38-39 Second Review of Stand-By Agreement under "Financial Sector" (scroll to bottom page 38, top page 39 Number 14. "Progress has been made...") http://www.imf.org/e...2011/cr1175.pdf 14. Progress has been made in moving toward accepting the obligations of Article VIII, Sections 2(a), 3, and 4, of the IMF’s Articles of Agreement. We have worked with IMF staff to complete the review of exchange laws and regulations and are considering measures to remove the identified exchange restrictions on current international transactions. We remain 39 committed to avoid imposing any restrictions on the making of payments and transfers for current international transactions or introducing any multiple currency practices. end excerpt So to your question: "Are you saying we need to sit back and relax and forget about a revalue outside of Iraq for a while?" No I am not saying you need to sit back and relax or that you should forget about the dinar being revalued with an international exchange rate (the rate of exchange outside Iraq). My point has more to do with the article that is the subject of this thread topic. In reading the replies, it looked like a good many members had misread the article. Indeed it is my opinion the article is written for Iraqis, not the foreign investor holding dinars for investment purpose. And yes I do believe it will be a while longer before the Iraqis will be ready for their currency to be revalued. And I've already posted in considerable detail about that subject too. As I've said in several previous posts, Iraq has a number of things to do in preparation for a move to an Article VIII Agreement, not the least of which involves the formation of their government under UN Resolution 1483 and according to the terms set forth in the Erbil/Power Sharing Agreements. Iraq needs to finish forming its government before the global authorities will approve the dinar for international transactions. And before the dinar can become a usable currency outside of Iraq, Iraq will have to accept the terms of an Article VIII Agreement. http://www.imf.org/e...bs/ft/aa/aa.pdf Article VIII General Obligations of Members Section 1. Introduction In addition to the obligations assumed under other articles of this Agreement, each member undertakes the obligations set out in this Article. Section 2. Avoidance of restrictions on current payments (a) Subject to the provisions of Article VII, Section 3( and Article XIV, Section 2, no member shall, without the approval of the Fund, impose restrictions on the making of payments and transfers for current international transactions. ( Exchange contracts which involve the currency of any member and which are contrary to the exchange control regulations of that member maintained or imposed consistently with this Agreement shall be unenforceable in the territories of any member. In addition, members may, by mutual accord, cooperate in measures for the purpose of making the exchange control regulations of either member more effective, provided that such measures and regulations are consistent with this Agreement. Section 3. Avoidance of discriminatory currency practices No member shall engage in, or permit any of its fiscal agencies referred to in Article V, Section 1 to engage in, any discriminatory currency arrangements or multiple currency practices, whether within or outside margins under Article IV or prescribed by or under Schedule C, except as authorized under this Agreement or approved by the Fund. If such arrangements and practices are engaged in at the date when this Agreement enters into force, the member concerned shall consult with the Fund as to their progressive removal unless they are maintained or imposed under Article XIV, Section 2, in which case the provisions of Section 3 of that Article shall apply. Section 4. Convertibility of foreign-held balances (a) Each member shall buy balances of its currency held by another member if the latter, in requesting the purchase, represents: (i) that the balances to be bought have been recently acquired as a result of current transactions; or (ii) that their conversion is needed for making payments for current t r a n s a c t i o n s . The buying member shall have the option to pay either in special drawing rights, subject to Article XIX, Section 4, or in the currency of the member making the request. ( The obligation in (a) above shall not apply when: (i) the convertibility of the balances has been restricted consistently with Section 2 of this Article or Article VI, Section 3; (ii) the balances have accumulated as a result of transactions effected before the removal by a member of restrictions maintained or imposed under Article XIV, Section 2; (iii) the balances have been acquired contrary to the exchange regulations of the member which is asked to buy them; the currency of the member requesting the purchase has been declared scarce under Article VII, Section 3(a); or (iv) the currency of the member requesting the purchase has been declared scarce under Article VII, Section 3(a); or (v) the member requested to make the purchase is for any reason not entitled to buy currencies of other members from the Fund for its own curr e n c y . Section 5. Furnishing of information (a) The Fund may require members to furnish it with such information as it deems necessary for its activities, including, as the minimum necessary for the effective discharge of the Fund’s duties, national data on the following matters: (i) official holdings at home and abroad of (1) gold, (2) foreign e x c h a n g e ; (ii) holdings at home and abroad by banking and financial agencies, other than official agencies, of (1) gold, (2) foreign exchange; (iii) production of gold; (iv) gold exports and imports according to countries of destination and origin; (v) total exports and imports of merchandise, in terms of local currency values, according to countries of destination and origin; (vi) international balance of payments, including (1) trade in goods and services, (2) gold transactions, (3) known capital transactions, and (4) other items; (vii) international investment position, i.e., investments within the territories of the member owned abroad and investments abroad owned by persons in its territories so far as it is possible to furnish this informat i o n ; (viii) national income; (ix) price indices, i.e., indices of commodity prices in wholesale and retail markets and of export and import prices; (x) buying and selling rates for foreign currencies; (xi) exchange controls, i.e., a comprehensive statement of exchange controls in effect at the time of assuming membership in the Fund and details of subsequent changes as they occur; and (xii) where official clearing arrangements exist, details of amounts awaiting clearance in respect of commercial and financial transactions, and of the length of time during which such arrears have been outstanding. ( In requesting information the Fund shall take into consideration the varying ability of members to furnish the data requested. Members shall be under no obligation to furnish information in such detail that the affairs of individuals or corporations are disclosed. Members undertake, however, to furnish the desired information in as detailed and accurate a manner as is practicable and, so far as possible, to avoid mere estimates. © The Fund may arrange to obtain further information by agreement with members. It shall act as a centre for the collection and exchange of information on monetary and financial problems, thus facilitating the preparation of studies designed to assist members in developing policies which further the purposes of the Fund. Section 6. Consultation between members regarding existing international a g r e e m e n t s Where under this Agreement a member is authorized in the special or temporary circumstances specified in the Agreement to maintain or establish restrictions on exchange transactions, and there are other engagements between members entered into prior to this Agreement which conflict with the application of such restrictions, the parties to such engagements shall consult with one another with a view to making such mutually acceptable adjustments as may be necessary. The provisions of this Article shall be without prejudice to the operation of Article VII, Section 5. Section 7. Obligation to collaborate regarding policies on reserve assets Each member undertakes to collaborate with the Fund and with other members in order to ensure that the policies of the member with respect to reserve assets shall be consistent with the objectives of promoting better international surveillance of international liquidity and making the special drawing right the principal reserve asset in the international monetary s y s t e m . Article IX. end I understand the desire for simplicity. And I can appreciate how this must seem terribly confusing to the average investor. But you won't gain insights into this investment by following those who claim to know the secret RV dates and/or rates. Those who know won't say. I have two decades of professional experience and at the level of an institutional investor. And I've been trading & investing for nearly 30 years. So I can say with a high degree of certainty that those who actually decide on the RV dates and set the exchange rates just don't give out that information. If they did they would eventually be caught and be found guilty of dealing in state secrets. Any gains made illegally would be forfeited and the individual(s) involved would at best be facing a very long prison sentence. It's a very serious offense to deal in state secrets. And I think it's safe to assume that important information about the revaluation of a nation's new currency would likely be considered to be of the highest level of classification. You probably don't want to hear it but if you want to understand this investment, then you're going to have to commit yourself to many hours of hard work in researching, analyzing and studying the global financial system, the global currency markets, Iraq and its new currency. While it's not too difficult to understand, there's an awful lot involved in the overall process of trying to bring a new currency onto the global currency markets. I'm afraid there's a lot more involved than some would have you believe. I can't tell you when or how long it will take, only that I believe we've made considerable progress toward our goal. This isn't the same country of say 3-4 years ago. Instead of fighting on the streets of Baghdad, the various sects are doing battle in the Parliament and at the polls. You need to appreciate the significance of that development alone before you can understand or appreciate anything else about Iraq, the dinar or the global financial system. Tremendous Progress Has Been Made!!! And I believe the article about removing the zeros "from the local currency" is an example of the tremendous progress being made toward the goal of revaluing the currency. And yes, I'm talking about a revaluation with an international rate of exchange under an Article VIII exchange rate agreement. We (or they) are making progress toward the goal of becoming a fully sovereign, stable and self sufficient nation. And for Iraq to become fully sovereign and self sufficient, it will need to have its own usable and tradable currency (versus its continued use of the US dollar) - it will need it's own currency to be fully convertible, usable and tradable outside of Iraq. While there are no such things as guarantees with investments, I believe Iraq has made tremendous progress in moving this currency to an Article VIII Agreement to where it can be revalued with an international exchange rate. While there are no guarantees with this investment, I believe the Iraqis have made tremendous progress in bringing this investment asset to the point where the foreign investor can realize a substantial return on investment. Hope this helps, Hoggey " ONE MORE post from Hoggey1 from that same thread......last one .............................................................................................................................................................................................................................. Hoggey1......... "Let's be clear about the purpose and ramifications of an in-country lop which would be combined with a simulataneous in-country RV. First of all, the purpose is to reduce the currency in circulation in preparation for an Article VIII Exchange Rate Agreement. Second, the average Iraqi doesn't understand or even care about the IMF's role in helping their country undergo the necessary fiscal, monetary and economic policy reforms that are essential to the restoration of Iraq's full sovereignty. The average Iraqi no more understands the IMF's Articles of Agreement than they understand the Articles of Confederation of the United States of America. The only thing they care about is how they can take care of their families. And just as we're vulnerable to hearsay and rumors about our investment, they're likely just as vulnerable to the hearsay and rumors circulating about the currency they use on a daily basis. No doubt hundreds, maybe even thousands of Iraqis are being asked about their currency, specifically when the CBI will revalue their currency. With all the Americans and Brits who've served and/or worked in Iraq, there will have been thousands of relationships and friendships to develop since the beginning of the occupation. The Americans and Brits who own the dinars and who have the Iraqi connections, have no doubt been asking their Iraqi friends for information about the dinar's RV, and for however many years now that they've been in contact with each other. It's doubtful those conversations would have made any distinction between the dinars held inside Iraq for daily use, and those held outside for investment purpose. It's doubtful the average Iraqi or foreign investor would have understood the difference. And this is how some of the Iraqis may have come to believe the eventual revaluation under an Article VIII Agreement would enbable them to get rich off their dinars. Regardless how, the rumors are alreaady circulating inside Iraq about how Iraqis will become rich once their currency revalues. Those are the kind of rumors that have to be nipped in the bud, and long before Iraq begins the process of reducing the amount of currency in circulation. And as far as the foreign investor being able to cash in (say for $1 or more) following an RV under Article XIV, that would not be possible unless some special exchange rate agreement was made between say Iraq and the United States or Iraq & the UK, etc.. It could be possible, especially if Iraq knew it would very soon revalue, and at a much higher rate under an Article VIII Agreement. Everything's possible, but is it probable, or even likely? I've seen stranger things...And here's the thing, Iraq had to increase their international reserves, and by a substantial amount, before it could even think of moving under Article VIII. It had to increase its international reserves by a substantial amount before it could even think of revaluing with an international rate of exchange. The only way that was going to be possible was for Iraq to find foreign speculators who would be willing to exchange their usable, tradable and fully convertible foreign reserve currencies (i.e. dollars, pounds, euros, yen) for a currency that had no use outside of Iraq. They desperately needed us to invest in their nonusable currency, their essentially worthless currency. And in order to convince foreign investor/speculators to invest and thus exchange valuable foreign reserve currencies for useless paper currency, the Iraqis (et al involved) had to convince these investors that they could make a substantial return on their investment. That's another topic for another thread, but the fact is the foreign investor helped Iraq to increase their international reserves from a pathetic $400 million in 2004 to well over $53 billion today. Out of 187 IMF member countries, Iraq is number 19 in terms of the size of its intenrational reserves. We made that possible - why do you think Iraq has been selling its currency for all these years - and to foreign investors? Nuff said - now wait your turn. All in due time. Yes it might be possible for a special arrangement to be made for the foreign investor's exchange while Iraq remains under Article XIV. Do I think it likely? I don't know and don't want to speculate at this time. But if something like that became a possibility, I wouldn't expect the highest rate to be available for the exchange. I've gone on record saying I think the Iraqis's first RV under Article VIII will be below $1 ($0.85) in what will be the first of several RVs to come over the next decade. So if they planned to RV at $0.85, they might offer foreign investors the chance to cash in well in advance of the event say at $0.25 to $0.75 (just a guess). That way Iraq could do right by those (you & me) who have given them so much in the way of essential foreign reserve currencies. We might want a much higher rate and be able to get a higher rate if we're willing to wait and willing to assume the risk that goes with waithing. Yet some of us might say, "a bird in hand..." Again, I suppose anything's possible. But I suggest we'd be wise not to get our hopes up for something that may not come to pass so soon. And by soon I mean June 30 or... And it's possible the process of reducing the dinars in circulation could take a little while longer to complete. I don't know how long. Still I try to manage my expectations so I can avoid disappointment. Sometimes that's easier said than done. Nevertheless, I've seen tremendous progress, and I'm encouraged by the talk of "restructuring of the local currency" and for the purpose of developing "the payments system in Iraq." Personally I believe Iraq has made tremendous progress and Iraq may be a lot closer than many believe. Good luck all - And to my PD family and friends, Cheers, Hoggey For whatever it's worth, this is just an opinion."

]Its got to be 1:1 for the Iraqi's to stop using the dollar! AT THE LEAST, I ]feel that anything less would cause confusion. IMHO

Iqdheadlines thanks for your post...I'm going to paste two posts I found in a forum on another site. The SECOND one, which is a response to the first, kinda goes along with what you are saying.........Cheers! .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. FROM 1CAGIRL...... "I hope someone can explain this... it sounds like either a smokescreen, or we are in for a disappointment...Help please?????????? Date: Mon 06/27/2011 4:43 A Deputy Governor of Central Bank of Iraq, Ahmed Ibrihi that "the deletion of zeros from the Iraqi currency has nothing to do at the exchange rate and prices." Ibrihi said in a statement to the Agency all of Iraq on Sunday, said: "Some people imagine that the state wants to influence prices Or exchange rate (a reduction or waiver) by the deletion of zeros and this is not true. "He added that" the deletion of zeros nothing to do with price and exchange rate and that the addition of larger groups of the currency does not require the deletion of zeros. " He continued that "it is not expected to convene Officer in the state to promote a false consciousness about economic life and promote the illusions of the common disorder. " It should be noted that the "plan of deleting three zeros from the Iraqi currency is one of the proposed projects. And confirms the economists that this project will facilitate cash transactions; because the handling of cash in Iraq is complex; due to the variation in currency exchange between the Iraqi dinar and the U.S. dollar, which could reach the cash transactions to the trillions it requires complex calculations to see the results of those transactions in the profit and loss, and others. " The central bank Iraq has decided to restructure the local currency in order to develop the payment system in the country, and start execution of the strategic long-term, specialized to the restructuring of the local currency for the development of the payments system in Iraq. The "International Monetary Fund calls Iraq a number of economic measures including the privatization of banks and raise the zeros three of the local currency and to meet debt and compensation is the responsibility of Iraq, if Iraq's desire to receive support the International Fund. In the meantime, he saw an expert industrial Abdul Hassan Shammari that the deletion of zeros from the Iraqi currency is an achievement will go down to the Central Bank in the event was implemented, as announced Bank is ready to delete the zeros from the currency, and added that the step is one of the functions of strategic him. Al-Shammari said the Agency news on Sunday: the restructuring of the currency will not affect the Industry and Trade of Iraq, but it is a good step from the central bank, which will add an achievement should the state have been implemented because they will ease a lot of effort to balance and commercial stores. He Shammari: This topic is very important and was supposed to be implemented some time ago, indicating that we are not the only country that has raised the zeros, Turkey deleted six zeroes from the currency and has become a LL one. The central bank announced in Earlier, his willingness to delete the zeros of the Iraqi currency, as he emphasized that this step is one of the jobs strategy of the bank, and pointed out that the new currency will contain the Kurdish language in addition to Arabic. The adviser said the Iraqi Central Bank Governor appearance of Mohammed Saleh told Alsumaria News The "zeros that Added to the Iraqi currency during the last period, formed a cluster of large cash $ 28 trillion and 500 billion Iraqi dinars nearly five trillion paper money, "noting that" the Bank prepared the supplies all of the deletion of zeros from the currency. " Saleh added that "the process is one of the jobs strategy of the Bank Central Iraq, "noting that" the Bank's monetary policy is based on the structure and reduce the volume of currency in a country moving to the stage of the economy. " Salih stressed that "the project to delete the zeros have been completed and will be presented to the management of the Central Bank of Iraq during its next meeting, and then raise before the Council of Ministers to be presented to the House of Representatives for a vote, "pointing out that" the mechanisms of switching and changing the currency would be gradual preceded by campaigns to educate the citizens. " Saleh continued that "the new currency that will be printed after the deletion of zeros will contain the Kurdish language in addition to Arabic, as well as for some pictures that refer to the heritage and cultures of Iraq and symbols of scientists and thinkers the Iraqis. " The Iraqi Central Bank Governor Sinan Shabibi said at a meeting of independent bodies with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, who held on 19 June current, ready to create all the supplies to replace the Iraqi currency. in turn, said member the Finance Committee in the House of Representatives of Iraq, that the committee did not address so far to the question of changing the Iraqi currency. and said Najiba Najib told the Kurdish news agency that he "had not been talking so far in the Finance Committee representative on the issue of changing the Iraqi currency, having met some time ago the Governor of Central Bank of Iraq and Minister of Finance, has not had discussions in this regard so far. " She Najiba "The Iraqi dinar exchange rate compared with the U.S. dollar is stable at the present time, the central bank could maintain the stability of the Iraqi dinar exchange rate against the dollar." "The change currency will not cause a rise in the value Aldenarabraghi, and there are a number of accounting measures should be taken by the central bank, in order to stabilize the dinar exchange rate, including the buying and selling bonds, and dealing with international banks in various countries. " ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Hoggey1 responds..... "This is where you have to ask yourself whether or not you conducted an adequate due diligence (research & analysis) before investing in the dinar. For those of you who are already writing it off as a loss after reading this article, I'd have to say, "No," because in fact you didn't do nearly enough due diligence before making the investment. I've already posted in considerable detail to explain it, so I'm not too keen on making another long and detailed post to explain this business. Frankly I'm rather busy right now with other business. However, I will try to find the time to make another post so that those who didn't do their DD can feel at ease. Let me just say this in summary. That article was not written for Iraq's foreign investors. It was written for the benefit of any Iraqi who may have gotten confused about the dinars in their pocket, thinking, even hoping they might get rich following an RV of their currency. Simply NO. It was never the intention of the monetary authorities to make the average Iraqi an overnight millionaire following an RV of the currency, under an Article VIII exchange rate agreement with the IMF. That would not be possible because that would create a severe case of hyper inflation inside Iraq. And if you've read anything from the IMF or CBI, you'll remember that the Central Bank has a mandate to maintain a stable exchange rate for the dinar. If every Iraqi was suddenly rich, then there would be too much money inside Iraq chasing too few goods. The definition of inflation is too much money chasing too few goods. Iraq already has too few of just about everything. Hopefully you get the point. So just forget the article about the zeros. I don't think there's any doubt that the author is writing to the Iraqi people. For example: A Deputy Governor of Central Bank of Iraq, Ahmed Ibrihi that "the deletion of zeros from the Iraqi currency has nothing to do at the exchange rate and prices." Ibrihi said in a statement to the Agency all of Iraq on Sunday, said: "Some people imagine that the state wants to influence prices He continued that "it is not expected to convene official in the state to promote a false consciousness about life and the promotion of economic illusions create disorder." he continues - It should be noted that the "plan of deleting three zeros from the Iraqi currency is one of the proposed projects. Emphasizes economists that this project will facilitate cash transactions; because the handling of cash in Iraq is complex; due to the variation in currency exchange between the Iraqi dinar and the U.S. dollar, which could reach the cash transactions to the trillions the require complex calculations to see the results of those transactions in the profit and loss, and others. " The Central Bank of Iraq has decided to restructure the local currency in order to develop the payment system in the country, and start execution of the strategic long-term, specializes in the restructuring of the local currency for the development of the payments system in Iraq. end Okay so if we can establish that the point of this article is to address the Iraqi people of the changes ahead for their currency, then we can also establish that this message has no relevance to foreign investors holding dinars. I'll leave you with an excerpt from one of the economists involved in the original plan to install a new monetary system for Iraq after the 2003 invasion. Begin excerpt: We raised the issue of the large number of IQD reported as being in circulation (current estimates are at 25 Trillion). He indicated this was mostly made up of (1) in country physical currency, (2) the foreign currency reserves of the central banks around the world which are electronic, (3) currency that had been printed but not released (i.e. small denomination bills) and (4) privately held physical currency sold to increase the foreign currency reserves. The export oil revenues are still under the control of the UN supervised DFI, and Iraq only gets roughly 30% of the fair market value of the oil they are selling, which is to be used only for budgetary expenditures. Since Shabbi, the head of the CBI, knew he couldn’t get anymore cash flow out of the controlled revenue system the IMF/UN had him under, he opened a currency sales window at the daily auctions to tap into the wallets of the worlds speculators. Worked pretty good, since he’s built his foreign currency reserves to over $50 billion USD. 3. We then moved to the removal of big bills (the ones with the 3 zeros on them) and he said that this activity was always built into the plan. The activity was to begin as soon as Iraq had implemented a modern digital financial system (i.e. bank branches, credit/debit cards, ATM’s, direct wire transfers etc.). The removal of the large bills in-country would be the reverse of the process that was used to remove the pre-2003 currency with Saddam’s picture on it. The example was a 25,000 IQD=$25USD/pre-rv note would be brought into the bank and exchanged for a 25 IQD note=$25 USD post/rv. The 25,000 IQD note would then be destroyed removing it from the currency in circulation account. I told him a lot of people would call that a LOP and he laughed, saying they are partially right, because 25,000 IQD was being lopped from the currency in circulation account, but the only reason for this process was to improve money handling ability at all organization levels, and reduce the actual physical currency in use in all areas of the Iraq economy. Interestingly enough, he said this activity could happen in-country without an approved RV rate being released to the International financial system. I asked how much physical IQD did he estimated was in circulation in-country, and he said probably less than had been originally introduced in 2003 which was about $4.5 billion USD worth at an exchange rate of 2000 IQD = $1 USD, because there has been a continuous process of not replacing the larger bills as they wore out. In fact this has resulted in currency shortages in some areas. 4. The next obvious question was how would the removal of the large bills with the three zeros work outside of Iraq, because of the number of world speculators holding IQD. He indicated, the amount of IQD held by speculators was relatively minor (less than 10%) compared to the IQD held as foreign currency reserve by the central banks of a number of major countries (US, China, England & France were the largest) with major financial interest in Iraq. He didn’t have an exact estimate of speculator holdings but ventured an educated guess of 750,000 individuals worldwide with the majority in the US. Estimated value of their holdings $1.5 Trillion - $1.7 trillion IQD. end The economist is saying there will be an "in-country" lop of the currency while Iraq remains under an Article XIV arrangement with the IMF. In other words, there would be an in-country lop of the currency while the currency is still useless outside of Iraq. Again, we're talking about reducing the number of dinar in circulation by reducing the amount of dinar inside of Iraq. According to those estimates, that would target the vast majority of dinars already in circulation, thereby reducing the overall amount in circulation by a substantial amount. This could be accomplished while Iraq is still under the Article XIV Agreement with the IMF and before the IQD has an international rate of exchange. Just remember, a currency is a liability of the issuing nation. Iraq can't revalue 25 or 28 trillion dinars with a $3+ exchange rate under Article VIII because in theory, that would add another $75 trillion plus in liabilities."

Very important point: An in-country RV is a RD by raising the value of the Iraqi Dinar to increase the "Purchasing Power" of the Iraqi people. An out-of-country RV is an increase in the "Exchange Rate" of the IQD value converted into foreign currencies such as the USD. This why all the translated news articles by Shabibi has always been about RD, RD, and RD because he has always been talking to the people of Iraq!

04/12/2011 16:30:00 Font size: Decrease font Enlarge font image The Iraqi News Agency Independent / Private / in the light of the visit of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's visit to Washington is clear that the visit mentioned will not focus on any of the topics circle in the orbit of political analysts, as well as the people of withdrawal and the implications beyond the readiness of our military and security to the surprises after the departure of the Americans where will these things be discussed between the parties of Iraq and the U.S.. The rest will be on what is being revealed from leaked news that the Prime Minister will hold up his sleeve other issues will be over the discussion The results will remain under Baldharov According to the subscriptions may make this or that party and governed originally Pfjoy agreements intended between Iraq and Washington, which regulates the relations of two countries, which was It's going to take such economic talks in general. Upcoming visit may have something else, will discuss the fate of Iraqi funds abroad, and the foundations of protection, especially as Iraq is still under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations and the words, You are disclosed under the tutelage .. From here the Prime Minister also discussed the importance and the need to get out of Iraq this item for a full-fledged hit him in the decision-making from national terrestrial and independence. Economic Aspects, therefore, is the axis that will take place by the central as well as the visit of Mr. al-Maliki on the subject of the development of the Iraqi banking transactions, which we believe will give the prestige of the Iraqi dinar as well as other foreign currencies after the level of the Iraqi currency has seen a sharp decline in global stock exchange. And the importance of these aspects that are related to existential situation of the Iraqi market and to find factors that promote national and supportive ... Which makes it easier for investors to contribute to trends in development and rehabilitation of infrastructure. http://www.ina-iraq.com/news/political/5901.html

sorry for the caps. never do it again. sorry I have no link because this is my own opinion based on the logical thinking. what I told you is not a crap but it is ok if someone agree or disagree with me. I want to ask you guys now. as all of you know the rate for IQD is USD 1: IQD1170 or IQD1: USD 0.00086. So, when you guys exchange your USD to buy IQD, what rate the dealer give you?I bet the dealer give you almost the same rate that I told you USD1: IQD1170. So, when you have USD 1million , how much you get in IQD?Of course you will get IQD 1.170.000.000. therefore, this is also the same calculation when applied the rate after LOP/RD. So, when RD/LOP happen and remove 3 zero, then USD1: IQD 1.17 or IQD1: 0.86USD. And if you have IQD 1 million, how much you get in USD?Of course, you will get USD 860.000 ( some dealer or bank has a different rate between buy and sell rate ). What do you confuse about when you hear the word " RD/LOP "? RD/LOP = RV at the same time means RD/LOP happens for the Iraq Citizens in the country of Iraq only and the foreigner will get RV in other country. So, from now on, what we want to her is GOI and Shabibi announce RD/LOP as soon as possible. The fastest is the best. As you know, when I read articles about RD/LOP in the news section, I am very very happy and is ready to go to the bank. And, when I read about RV in the news section, this is also a good news for foreigner and some Iraq citizens who want to exchange their IQD for USD, then move to USA and become a US citizens and they will become a millionaire in the US when they hold USD. Now, the question is when the GOI and shabibi will do the RD/LOP and this is what we want to hear. just wait and GO GO GO RD/LOP FOR IRAQ CITIZENS AND RV FOR FOREIGNERS.

Sunday, December 4, 2011 Iraqi Banks ~ Calls to activate the role of private banks in economic development Snip ~ *Iraq under the table of Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations was still an obstacle in front, though the exchange banks to provide all banking services to customers of citizens within and outside of Iraq from the remittances of internal and external and letters of credit and letters of guarantee and development processes, etc., It is also moving in its activity, according to the operations of the Central Bank to deal in the fight against inflation 05/12/2011 Calls to activate the role of private banks in economic development Baghdad, rising chorus for the need to work to promote mechanisms of action of private banks in the country, for its prominent role in the process of economic boom, through the services provided to the production and service sectors, at the time called economic experts that exclusive private banks on the basis of solid, and offer advanced services and quick to the public beneficiaries. Continues ...read more .. economist Qasim Khazraji told (morning): The contribution of private sector banks in the economic and social development is very important, especially in the phase shift which we live today, pointing to the importance of supporting the private and public sectors of these banks to continue and grow in their activities and the development of its business for the better Sectors Economic started to grow gradually and catching the world towards Iraq has been growing remarkably, which imposes the need to access banks for what he has reached international banks. He said, when private banks expectations of investment major development only The article (28) of the Banking Act currently prevent these aspirations has asked banks modified has to understand the central bank that, but did not get modified to the day, indicating that these banks was founded to work with a capital-funded Iraqi private sector and contributed to the capital without the burden of the State, so the private sector banks have worked to invest funds of the private sector in the creation of these banks are using their money and their potential in the service of society and national economy, and there must be encouraged and bringing it to the ranks of international banks, especially since it is characterized by the spread over a wide area of the provinces Iraq to provide its services to all sectors where they exist in different orientations commercial, industrial, agricultural and construction sector, services and others. He pointed out that the private banks a prominent role in the operation of other institutions such as insurance companies and the stock market and has a distinct role in the transfer of shares in the Iraqi market for securities and the feet of investors to buy shares, one of the major investments in front of the citizen, and this service investment by the private sector investor Iraqi and foreign, as they are required to have greater freedom to develop its business, although it started years ago to work for the purchase of banking systems and comprehensive use of accounts and electronic linking its branches network communications via satellite and the of the calculated to the security situation use the sites outside of Iraq to put his accounts in the sites honest and linked with its branches and its public administration operating in Iraq and imposed here that are homogenous with the public sector. He Khazraji saying that the financial sector banking civil works funds of the Iraqi private sector and have an active role in the fight against unemployment and run workforce of graduates with specialties business, financial, legal and graduates of technical disciplines in the accounts and systems programming and disciplinary engineering to work within its staff and has a role in the operation of local employment, adding that some banks recycles ATMs ((ATM and contracts with international companies to ATM service and management operations withdrawal of these services all over the world, and payments for their purchases using the cards, MasterCard and Visa Card and put it in reach of its customers which is accomplishing an important and newly measured years of existence, this banking institution in the country, and drew attention to enable them to build relationships with many banks and Arab world to work as reporters have Although the circumstances of economic sanctions against the former and the continued existence of Iraq under the table of Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations was still an obstacle in front, though the exchange banks to provide all banking services to customers of citizens within and outside of Iraq from the remittances of internal and external and letters of credit and letters of guarantee and development processes, etc., It is also moving in its activity, according to the operations of the Central Bank to deal in the fight against inflation. He pointed out the need for the expansion of banks use depositors' funds in the operations re-investment and the granting of loans, advances and overdrafts in trade accounts and discount bills of exchange and open letters of credit and the issuance of letters of guarantee internal and external financing the purchase of private cars and productivity, housing, and has thus contributed to the economic activities of the various sectors within Iraq. also must work to create cadres of banking intern and sophisticated wider than it is through their participation in the sessions banking inside and outside Iraq, noting that many of these banks worked on the investment their funds to buy bonds, government debt of the various an effective contribution to support the publication of the Ministry of Finance and Central Bank of Iraq from remittances Alkhoznipp. and called for a unified study supported by economic policy and raise some of the barriers from the private sector to exercise active role in the construction and reconstruction and overall development. http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alsabaah.com%2FArticleShow.aspx%3FID%3D17947&act=urlIraqi bank

Be right back. Have to go SLAM MY HEAD IN THE DOOR !!! What a load of .........

Sweet find Tony! When we all get to Vegas, we are going to need to be wearing t-shirts displaying our DV names for identification. Just a thought.

I ask the same thing everytime you or one of your lopper buddys state your unrealistic claims. This thing is far more than what your RD theory supports keep. Theres alot more to this then just currency....and the artificially placed numbers you all state as fact. Its fact to you but not to me. To each there own keep...doesnt mean its rite or wrong...just how we are made up as individuals. But for your boy jmw to keep up the same old tired fight...when he is begging to sell his last mil...its retarded.

Respecting the office Not the man in it. He is an abysmal failure, not worthy of the office.

In one of the most stunning reversals of human rights in modern history the Federal Security Service (FSB) is reporting today that the Obama regime has issued a blunt warning to all American citizens that, in essence, states that any one of these once free people who dare to oppose their government they will be immediately killed and offered no chance to defend themselves before a Court and/or jury of their peers. According to this report, this unprecedented attack was begun yesterday when the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) General Counsel Stephen Preston in responding to a question at an American Bar Association national security conference bluntly stated that “American citizens are not immune from being treated like an enemy if they take up arms against the United States.” Obama regime lawyers further stated that only the Executive Branch, not the Courts, is equipped to make military battlefield targeting decisions about who qualifies as an enemy thus equating all American citizens as being potential “enemies of the state” thus effectively destroying the Constitution all of these government officials had sworn to defend. As we had stated in our previous report about the destruction of the freedoms and liberties once enjoyed by the American people, the US Senate, likewise, voted this past week to expand the power of the Obama regime to target its own citizens by the passing of new law debated in secret allowing for the total military takeover of this once free country. So frightening is this new law it caused the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) to issue an unprecedented warning that stated “The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.” This FSB report notes that the actions now being undertaken by the Obama regime show its “outright contempt” for the democratic process and the US Constitution in that for the first time in American history military power is being put above that of civil authorities; a move many Russian intelligence analysts say can only be compared to the ending of freedoms in Russia under the Communists and Germany under the National Socialists (Nazis) preceding both World Wars of last century. Even more astounding in the US Senates action, which according to noted American anti-war activist Justin Raimondo has created a “Presidential Dictatorship,” was Obama’s threat to veto this new law wasn’t because it went too far, but rather because it didn’t go far enough in allowing him to crack down on his own people. To the reason behind the Obama regimes wanting to target its own citizens with state-sponsored murder and military rule, this FSB reports warns, is its “Great Game” strategy to overturn the entire Middle East and Central Asia in order to gain control over the majority of our planets last few remaining fossil fuel energy resources and whose next targets are Syria, Lebanon and Iran. Virtually unknown to the vast majority of the American people is that “The Plan” to conquer the Middle East and Central Asia was revealed by General Wesley Clark (Ret.) who on 2 March 2007 [watch video HERE] stated that 10 days after 9/11 while walking through the Pentagon he was approached by another General who told him that the Bush regime was making preparations to invade Iran and at least 7 other Middle Eastern and Central Asian nations over the next 5 years. Unfortunately for the American war hawks, however, was the Bush regime wasn’t able to complete their goal in the time they allotted themselves because they underestimated the fierce resistance they were met with, but since Obama took office has been able to gain speed. Now, most ominously, with the US Senate passing by a unanimous vote to place sanctions on Iran’s Central Bank this FSB report warns that conflict is “all but assured” as Iran had previously stated that such an actions would be considered by them as an “act of war.” The FSB further notes in their report that the American peoples ability to counteract the measures being put into place against them by the Obama regime appear to be “all but nonexistent” due to the “gulag mentality” instilled in these once free people through their educations system said to be virtually indistinguishable from their prisons [see video HERE] which hold more prisoners than all of the other worlds jails combined. Current news stories coming out of the United States more than back up this FSB assessment of the way American children are being treated like criminals and include: 1.) A 4-year-old girl arrested for shoplifting at a Safeway store and made to sign a statement banning her from this store for life. 2.) A 13-year-old boy arrested, handcuffed and jailed for burping in class. 3.) A 6-year-old child charged with “sexual assault” when found “playing doctor” with another student. 4.) Two 12-year-old students investigated for “sex crimes” after they kissed in school. And if the treatment of America’s children isn’t bad enough, new reports emerging from the United States by Obama regime supporters are now warning that Christians are a “national security threat” because they place their belief in God above that of their government. To the future these Americans will awaken into should they fail to heed the many warnings being shouted out to them was described best by George Orwell in his seminal work 1984 wherein he warned…. “People simply disappeared, always during the night. Your name was removed from the registers, every record of everything you had ever done was wiped out, your one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. You were abolished, annihilated: vaporized was the usual word.” In order to avoid this future, however, these Americans would be well advised to listen to the advice given to them by their Founding Father Thomas Jefferson who warned… “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” So today, as millions of American children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered, one does indeed wonder when these once free people will awaken from their long slumber before all is lost. December 2, 2011 © EU and US all rights reserved. Permission to use this report in its entirety is granted under the condition it is linked back to its original source at WhatDoesItMean.Com. Freebase content licensed under CC-BY and GFDL. [Ed. Note: Western governments and their intelligence services actively campaign against the information found in these reports so as not to alarm their citizens about the many catastrophic Earth changes and events to come, a stance that the Sisters of Sorcha Faal strongly disagrees with in believing that it is every human beings right to know the truth. Due to our missions conflicts with that of those governments, the responses of their ‘agents’ against us has been a longstanding misinformation/misdirection campaign designed to discredit and which is addressed in the report “Who Is Sorcha Faal?”.] Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1543.htm

I don't recall saying anything about horns. Joseph Smith was a Freemason until his death. That's a fact, Jack. And the reason polygamy is outlawed is the fact that the State doubts the ability of the patriarch of such an arrangement to care for the multitudinous children of multiple wives. That being said, yes, there are many wonderful Mormon people who simply don't understand their own religion's true background. "I'm just saying... It's what you pay me for!" (An on-air quote from Glenn Beck)

Exactely, that's what I'm trying to say, they need to be free of chapter 7 and rv, or they can't go international.