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Topic: OFFICIAL CHAT no typing [Adam Montana] Ok, couple seconds for everyone to take note of that [Adam Montana] couple things on the agenda this morning [Adam Montana] first and foremost [Adam Montana] I hope you all noticed the new ads on the site [Adam Montana] I'm giving up 25% of the ad space on DinarVets.com from now until the 1st of the year [Adam Montana] the members here suggested worthy charities, the members voted, and now that ad space is being split between Operation Homefront, Pennys From Heaven Foundation, The Salvation Army, and the Wounded Warrior Project [Adam Montana] I'm not getting any payment for this, heck... I don't even get a tax break [Adam Montana] but our troops and our vets deserve so much thanks and appreciation [Adam Montana] this is my way of giving back to them this holiday season [Adam Montana] if you see the ads, and you want to help these organizations - simply click them and it will take you to the site [Adam Montana] I figure 25% of the ads shown to the tens of thousands of people that come here every day should do a LOT more than any check I could personally write! [Adam Montana] I'm also writing a check from the DinarVets parent company for $1000 to Wounded Warrior - that was the charity that got the most votes [Adam Montana] (I will get a tax write off for that one ) [Adam Montana] ok so that's site news [Adam Montana] now for dinar news [Adam Montana] this last weekend there were a couple of major news station clips about the dinar [Adam Montana] both of them were kind of funny in my opinion, because it was obvious that the people who wrote the article didn't know much about Iraq [Adam Montana] they probably should have started a thread here on DV before running the clip [Adam Montana] they said things like "the dinar might not be right for you" and "some people have been tricked into buying the old Dinar" [Adam Montana] well... duh! [Adam Montana] what struck me, though [Adam Montana] is that they didn't say DON'T buy the dinar [Adam Montana] they said it "might" not be right for you [Adam Montana] they also said that it's likely the dinar will go up [Adam Montana] a couple of truths they pointed out: [Adam Montana] 1. obviously don't buy more than you can afford to lose. [Adam Montana] 2. If someone "guaranteed" a return, they are wrong. There is no guarantee. [Adam Montana] 3. Don't buy the Old IQD. I think we all know that [Adam Montana] That's it [Adam Montana] all common sense stuff, right? [Adam Montana] what they failed to point out [Adam Montana] or maybe they simply didn't realize it [Adam Montana] is that unlike the Zimbabawe currency [Adam Montana] Iraq has oil, natural gas, and intelligent investors to back their currency [Adam Montana] unlike Zimbabwe, Iraq is no longer printing currency on an out of control situation. Iraq is very stable and has a tight grip on their currency supply and money value [Adam Montana] comparing Iraq to Zimbabwe is completely wrong. [Adam Montana] so with that out of the way, let's get into the questions - there are about 50 this week! [Adam Montana] kcw, shoot! [kcw] -- caughtinthecrossfire I would love to hear your thoughts on Iraq's inflation and its suggested importance to Shabs' plan to drop 3 zeroes. Is there some pattern or inflation percentage they are supposed to see that would trigger this "plan"? If so, it seems he could be more forceful and convinicing if his years of planning were honestly geared to drop the 3 zeroes when inflation reached this magic moment. Seems odd to see disagreement and confusion in Iraq towards a plan that has been "implied" for so long. I'm waiting and watching patiently for that real magic moment. Thanks, Adam [Adam Montana] Good question! [Adam Montana] the answer lies, quite simply, in what his intentions are [Adam Montana] we all have to understand that Iraq is playing a poker hand here [Adam Montana] and you NEVER tell your opponent when you have 3 aces, do you? [Adam Montana] Shabibi is no dummy. He'll talk about 3 0's till he's blue in the face and probably for a week after they RV he will still deny it. [Adam Montana] the longer they can keep speculators from swooping in, the more they keep for themselves, and the more powerful they can make their currency [Adam Montana] I expect to hear a lot more about the 0's in the next week or two [Adam Montana] next please [kcw]sourpuss Good morning everyone:) Hi Adam, I think we need to be careful and understand the rules when using multiple brokers and I would like to hear from you what you know about these rules. Specifically, the rule about how we must "be obliged by the 19th Act of the stocks and shares exchange market regulations, instructions, which states (one single person has no right to give orders of selling or purchasing to more than one intermediary (or broker) for one type of shares and at a specific time of exchange". How do you interpret this? Adam Montana] sourpuss, great question. You've been doing your homework! [Adam Montana] this is about the ISX, if anyone is wondering [Adam Montana] this rule is for a specific situation: one person, buying one stock, through multiple brokers, at the exact same time [Adam Montana] it's not allowed to prevent someone from getting a monopoly on a company at any one time. [Adam Montana] you can use more than one broker [Adam Montana] just not for the same stock at the same time [Adam Montana] good question [Adam Montana] next please? [kcw] -- ervink Good day Adam, You seem to be the only creditable GURU - can you please provide a timeline based on your updated information. Are we fortune it enough to have a schedule in place - I wish - I am sure / hopeful your opening comments will address my question [Adam Montana] Hi Ervink, thank you for the kind words [Adam Montana] although I'm not sure "guru" is a kind word around here [Adam Montana] Timeline: Parliament resumes official sessions on the 20th [Adam Montana] I believe they will hold (or ARE holding) several unofficial sessions prior to that [Adam Montana] today is the 16th [Adam Montana] sometime between now and the 25th I believe we'll see the lid blown off of Chapter7 or the HCL [Adam Montana] if not by then, shortly after [Adam Montana] I think it should happen almost immediately [Adam Montana] if not immediately, it's still right here... there's no longer a valid reason to delay much longer [Adam Montana] government is stable, HCL is agreed upon just not officially lifted, and I truly believe Iraq should be 100% out of Chapter 7 any day/minute/second now [Adam Montana] so... I guess that's as good of an answer as I can give you. We're close, there's no reason to delay, and it should move forward shortly! [Adam Montana] next please kcw [kcw] -- Scrumdiddles Hello Adam What does the mention of "deleting the zeros" mean to you. When you hear or see it, what is the first thing to think of? What is your belief on this deletion of the 3 zeros? thank you adam. [Adam Montana] Scrumdiddles I've sen them bat that topic around so much it doesn't phase me anymore [Adam Montana] we all know they could delete the 0's, giving us a break-even return [Adam Montana] but we also believe that Iraq has enough resources and desire to strengthen their currency that it doesn't make sense to do that [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] Caye98 No question Adam, I just wanted to THANK YOU for your generosity in donating to charities from this/your/Dinar Vets website. You have once again demonstrated that Capitalists certainly DO contribute to charities, not because you are required to, but because it is just the right thing to do. I am proud to be a VIP member that helps you to keep this site up and running. Again, THANK YOU for all you, your staff, moderators and the supportive family here at Dinar Vets do (particularly on the VIP side). I look forward to our upcoming "Occupy Belize" gathering (and I won't be camping out in a tent)! [Adam Montana] Caye98, thanks for the kind words. Giving back to the people that keep our butts safe and allow us the opportunity to do something as awesome as speculate on the Dinar is simply the right thing to do! [Adam Montana] I hope other sites will follow suit [Adam Montana] [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] luckyone Hi Adam, I actually have two questions. My first question is do you think they are going to introduce new lower denominatios at around the same time as an RV on plans for investors to reinvest? And my second question is will we get to buy the lower notes at the same price or will those notes be ajusted and cost more? Like say it RV's at .10 and a 25000 note is worth $2500, would a 25 note be bought at .10 costing $2.5. Hope this question wasn't too confusing. Thanks. [Adam Montana] ok first question: will they introduce the lower denoms at the time of RV? [Adam Montana] I am under the impression that is exactly the plan [Adam Montana] second question will we be able to buy them at a reduced rate or face value? [Adam Montana] Face value [Adam Montana] once the rate is changed, the notes will be worth the revalued rate [Adam Montana] good news, in my opinion, is that even at the higher rate I think they will continue to go up [Adam Montana] UNLESS the RV is a really high rate. If that's the case, I'd say take your winnings and be happy - we have other investments to pursue! [Adam Montana] there is a lot of opportunity in Iraq, not just on the Currency [Adam Montana] one of the main benefits to VIP here is in those other opportunities. [Adam Montana] next plesae [kcw] Elixirbaby I have read that 14 denoms were printed but only 6 or 7 have been used.. Is that correct? If so, the others could be the missing link for the RV . [Adam Montana] Good observation I agree and it is my understanding that the other denominations ARE printed and waiting [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] JenniMo Hello Adam. Have you recieved any fenominal news from your sources this week. Also, by november 15 arent contracters supposed to be paid in dinars? If so would they be paid 1 mil a week...? It would be much smarter to RV very very soon since there are "X" amount of dinar in circulation. I personally feel its coming soon... probably shortly after our troops are out. thats my edjimacated guess . [Adam Montana] nobody is going to get paid 1 mill a week in revalued Dinars [Adam Montana] BUT it doesn't make sense to continue paying in worthless currency - if they are currently being paid in USD, they won't be paid in IQD until something major happens [Adam Montana] this is definitely something to watch for [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] eatmoney Do you think the undeclared U.S soldiers still being in iraq will hold up the process of passing chp. 7, F rank Dodd Law , and The HCL which will in turn hold up the rv? [Adam Montana] will soldiers hold up the RV? [Adam Montana] no, but their presence does have an impact of the timing [Adam Montana] the impact isn't great, and it's about to expire as the troops are leaving [Adam Montana] so the bottom line is we have nothing to worry about there, we just have to hurry up and wait. [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] Boiler Any updates as to where we are we with the HCL? Thanks! [Adam Montana] Boiler, I wish I could give you more substance... but unfortunately, we're still staring at this pot waiting for it to boil! The fire is on! [Adam Montana] next please! [kcw] homerunhit A bit more detail on Chapter 7. It seems that has to pass before Shabibi makes the announcement. Specifically what does Iraq have yet to accomplish to have those sanctions lifted and are they actually serious about doing so? [Adam Montana] I don't think they have to accomplish anything else! That's why I'm excited about THIS timeframe, right here and now. [Adam Montana] There is no reason they can't sign off on this whole thing tomorrow, unless there's some last minute preparations to be done to educate the Iraqi people on the revalued dinar [Adam Montana] other than that, the country has done everything they need to do in order for the UN to sign off on it [Adam Montana] so, I hate to keep saying it.. but we're simply waiting on a stamp or an approval, and there's no reason to delay any further that I can see! [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] Darr It's been stated that we may only have 15 days to cash-in. Would there be any action needed to be taken for those who hold dinar in Warka accounts? [Adam Montana] Darr I am hoping that 15 day window won't come to pass, but we have to realistically admit that it could [Adam Montana] I believe it will be 90 day window, but this is a unique situation and will have unique rules [Adam Montana] however [Adam Montana] your Warka account should simply adjust according to however the CBI directs Warka to do so. Hopefully the numbers will stay the same, but the value will obviously raise [Adam Montana] either way, you will not need to do anything [Adam Montana] it will happen automatically [Adam Montana] good question [Adam Montana] next please? [kcw] oneremedy After the RV, do you think Lifetime will make a movie about all of us and how crazy Iraq has made us? [Adam Montana] Lifetime annoys me, I won't be participating [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] doublek52 I spoke to my CPA about investing in currency (I didn't tell it it was specifically dinar) and what sort of tax would be owed if I made money on it. I live in TX and she said that I would owe cap gains which would be about 10-15%. Do you know what the tax implications on our gain will be since this is considered an investment? [Adam Montana] From what I know of this investment and this situation, that is bad advice [Adam Montana] currency is not always a capital gains situation, there are other rules that apply, and you're going to want to speak to someone with first-hand knowledge of this particular investment [Adam Montana] SOME currency investments are capital gains [Adam Montana] but this particular currency isn't considered an investment or a security [Adam Montana] so the common accepted theory amongst attorneys and CPAs who are directly involved and engaged with this investment [Adam Montana] is that it will be regular income taxes [Adam Montana] yep, just now at $18!!!! [Adam Montana] No, I'm kidding [Adam Montana] I always wanted to do that [Adam Montana] ok, next [kcw] jas428 Parliament is scheduled to resume on the 20th with dozens of laws to read. If, indeed, they do choose to pass the HCL, 1) will they do it immediately on the 20th or could it be weeks? 2) if it is passed, how long before RV (days, weeks)? And 3) Will we still have to wait for Ch 7 after the HCL is passed to RV? Thanks - always a pleasure.... [Adam Montana] I am expecting to see all of this wrapped up on or around the 20th-25th, I think all of it will happen very quickly on or around the same time, and if it doesn't happen between the 20th-25th I can't see why it would be more than a few weeks longer [Adam Montana] that's my opinion - I've been watching this roller coaster for a LONG time and I've never seen things as ready to go as they are now [Adam Montana] fingers crossed! [Adam Montana] next please! [kcw] -- ssmith Adam, does all the negative press going on right now, make you positive about something happening soon ? [Adam Montana] I don't see any more negative press than usual. Things look pretty consistent to me [Adam Montana] I see a very reassuring pattern of consisstency right now [Adam Montana] and I like it [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] redsand Hi Adam,What do you think would happen to the US economy immediately if there was an influx of people cashing in for dollars immediatly after an RV? Would that put up a "red flag" of any sort from the government? [Adam Montana] not sure what you mean by "red flag" [Adam Montana] if you're talking about the IRS and our tax implications - heck yes! [Adam Montana] any cash transactions over10k are reported on a finCEN104 form [Adam Montana] all of our transactions when we cash in will be flagged, and you better not try to get away with paying capital gains if the IRS is expecting Income level taxes [Adam Montana] I know 35+% taxes is a lot [Adam Montana] if you want to avoid some of that, I have an easy solution - join VIP. We've got a ton of legal ways to help you [Adam Montana] the price is CHEAP compared to what you save in the future [Adam Montana] next please! [kcw] redsand Go NY Giants! [Adam Montana] yeah right. [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] TimS Adam.....which in your opinion is more likely, A. US troops pull out, Iranian influences take political control of Iraq and RV is shelved while all powers over there figure out how to continue keeping the oil money for themselves, leaving citizens of country to squander in poverty as they have for the past decade or B. After troop pullout, Maliki sees that democracy/capitalism (the light) is best for everyone in Iraq and he pushes RV through so Iraq takes its place among the world's economical giants so they all prosper and live happily ever after? [Adam Montana] B, all the way. A is a possibility but I don't think it's a strong or likely possibility [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] pattyangel Adam, with the time zones being different in all parts of the world. Would you be informed when it RV's in Iraq or any country first or will you be informed when it RV's in the states? Hope that makes sense. Thanks Adam. [Adam Montana] I have a dedicated cell phone that stays at my bedside every night - my employees in Iraq and the middle east, business partners around the world, and several key partners here in the US have that number [Adam Montana] I have a dedicated cell phone that stays at my bedside every night - my employees in Iraq and the middle east, business partners around the world, and several key partners here in the US have that number [Adam Montana] I have several messages ready to send, I can initiate them by sending a text to the DV servers [Adam Montana] Also, VIP members will get a text message alerting them to check their email when this happens [Adam Montana] bottom line is, regardless of day or night I have my finger on the pulse [Adam Montana] next please [Adam Montana] THAT is more like it! You are welcome [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] RodandStaff Now for the question... I have read several articles lately about our troops pulling out, the U.S. leaving a very large military base in the hands of the Iraqi's, and a whole lot of military equipment to be left behind to boot. I have also seen numerous articles on Iraq ordering billions in fighter jets.... so.... how can they possibly be doing all this without being "out of Ch. 7"??? This to me seems like the surest sign of eminent removal of the remaining sanctions... does that sound like correct reasoning to you? Thanks again! [Adam Montana] ah! Great observation [Adam Montana] here in Wisconsin they just passed the CCW (Carry Concealed Weapon) law [Adam Montana] I don't have my permit yet, but I've taken the class and I own firearms [Adam Montana] so while I can't strap a pistol to my ankle or waist just yet [Adam Montana] There is nothing that prevents me from preparing for the day my permit arrives [Adam Montana] Iraq is in the same situation [Adam Montana] they can buy and prepare, they just can't actually play with the toys yet [Adam Montana] as soon as Chapter 7 is lifted, they have full rights to do whatever they want [Adam Montana] As a side note, it completely baffles me that Iran is allowed to cause so much anxiety while Iraq is still under the thumb of the UN [Adam Montana] that's a different topic though [Adam Montana] next please! [kcw]jv1054 How do I get to see your weekly chat session without asking a question? I have been unable to find last weeks chat session. Thank you for all you hard work and info [Adam Montana] jv the chats are always posted by Wednesday night in the chat log section. Just look for the chat labelled "Adam Montana xx/xx/xxxx chat" [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] 1risktaker Adam, my question is that members of the Parliament have scheduled times to meet. We are always waiting on Parliament. We know that a lot of things get done (secretively)while they are on vacation. Does that mean that they do not necessarily have to let anyone know that they are meeting and getting things ready for a vote, can they meet and vote on things without the press knowing about it, or does it mean they have voted and it needs to be activated, then announced before it is valid? [Adam Montana] good question! [Adam Montana] It will be publicly official when it is posted in the Gazette, but obviously it will be passed prior to the printing [Adam Montana] Parliament does not have to announce all of their meetings, or even their votes, and definitely not the subject of the votes [Adam Montana] so they are more than capable of sitting down RIGHT NOW, passing a law, and keeping it under wraps until a later date [Adam Montana] good question! [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] waitingondinar Adam, I read most of the middle eastern news sites but don't see anything regarding their economy or HCL/Chapter 7 sanctions. Their news does mention all the attacks , kidnappings, and attempted assassinations that are taking place. Is there a specific "trigger" point the Iraqi's are waiting on to set the wheels in motion? As we are getting closer to Thanksgiving, do you still have the same positive feelings you had a few weeks ago that something is going to happen very soon? thanks [Adam Montana] no, no specific trigger [Adam Montana] Iraqi news companies work just like ours - they use exciting stories to sell papers [Adam Montana] when the HCL is passed, it will be all ver hte place [Adam Montana] for now, the other stories get more attention [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] andy3978 Hello adam. Question: without getting all conspiracy-ish, do you feel that the GOI/CBI is truly in command of the potential rv or are there players behind the curtain that genuinely pull the strings? Thanks for keeping it real [Adam Montana] GOI and CBI are in full control of their monetary system and the necessary mechanisms to RV [Adam Montana] the UN needs to sign off on Chapter 7 [Adam Montana] and obviously there are major players behind the scenes - I won't start naming names, because conspiracy theory people scare me with their tin-foil hats and whatnot [Adam Montana] but the important thing to note is that the power players have a stake in this just like we do [Adam Montana] and none of tthem want to lose money, just like us [Adam Montana] so all of our interests are aligned [Adam Montana] and that is good enough for me [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] winterset Just wanted to say thanks for all you do and if you could remind members to be courteous. Opinions are great but the bashing just brings out the worst in us. [Adam Montana] you're welcome, winterset [Adam Montana] members, be courteous. Thanks! [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] Speakn The Truth Adam,First off would like to thank you for all you do.I log in every morning to see any updates.Is there any truth to this In house Rv today?I know i get caught up in the hype of today tomorrow it will happen,but one day someone has to be right,is this the day? [Adam Montana] There has been no "in-house" RV [Adam Montana] they will most likely be cashing in first over there [Adam Montana] but things will follow a common sense, natural progression and we will be able to cash in shortly after [Adam Montana] as soon as our local banks are able to clear the rates and such with the CBI [Adam Montana] so there might be a delay for us [Adam Montana] but there will be no "secret in house" RVs [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] sxsess Hi Adam, there has been many rumors the IQD RV in country. I don't take these rumors seriously because have I not heard from you. Can you give any insight to the ongoing process? [Adam Montana] you are correct to not take them seriously [Adam Montana] see my last answer for the process [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] Sun Devil Adam, Regarding all the references made to "bank screens" by the gurus, can you shed some light on what exactly they're talking about? Could these constant references possibly have any credibility to them? Would bank screens here in the US possibly show anything relevant to the RV prior to it happening? I roll my eyes every time I see the "bank screen" intel and just want to confirm that it's all a bunch of nonsense like I believe it is. [Adam Montana] more nonsense. No offense to any legitimate bankers that actually do have screens [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] ems Adam, Is there anything being overlooked concerning the RV? Are any foreign governments (US, China, Kuwait), global agencies (UN, IMF) or behind the scene players like the Rothschilds, Bilderberg Group, Soros, etc… preventing the RV from occurring? [Adam Montana] I am going to give this the same answer as I did above - the GOI, IMF, UN, and CBI are the major players here. Other countries and governments have a stake and an influence [Adam Montana] but we are all headed the same direction [Adam Montana] we all have the same goals and the same desires [Adam Montana] I don't see anyone NOT wanting Iraq to RV other than Kuwait [Adam Montana] because Kuwait makes more money on Iraq if they hold htem down [Adam Montana] but Kuwait no longer has the strong influence on this situation that it used to [Adam Montana] so 99% of the players are pushing forward [Adam Montana] next please! [kcw] GMartin Adam, what is your opinion based on all the news regarding the HCL done, then not done? [Adam Montana] I haven't seen any actual "news" saying the HCL is done - I've only seen misinformed or delusional Gurus stating that [Adam Montana] I'll let you know when it's actually done [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] dinarslave Adam, first let me say thank you for all you do for us. My question is this: When we cash in, is it our government who will pay us for our dinar at the new exchange rate and will then hold our dinar? If the answer is yes is it possible or probable that our country will trade in the dinar for oil? If that is the case then can Iraq afford a larger RV? Dinarslave [Adam Montana] Ok, this is a good question [Adam Montana] a little off base though [Adam Montana] see [Adam Montana] when we cash in locally [Adam Montana] Iraq doesn't send over a briefcase or boatload of USDs [Adam Montana] they allocate a "credit" to us in the value of X dollars [Adam Montana] which is worth X dinars [Adam Montana] Iraq then owes the US that money, which is used when importing and exporting goods (yes, such as oil) [Adam Montana] so in a sense - yes, they pay us with oil [Adam Montana] the important thing to understand is that when you exchange a large amount of currency [Adam Montana] you won't leave the bank with a bucket of cash [Adam Montana] it's converted to digital "value" in your account [Adam Montana] and this is true when countries make exchanges as well [Adam Montana] hope that helps [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] Paitin hey adam, so with all the frenzy and worry, I'm going to lighten the atmosphere a little. My question is post RV. I'm wondering if you might have a smart, older, single, brother who is in this investment. Cuz when we are gathered on the other side of this, I'm gonna need a cute dance partner for celebrating. Just saying [Adam Montana] That's cute I'll see what I can come up with for you [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] Rossenbos Adam: if they indeed make a movie about our adventure, which well-known actor would you like to play you? [Adam Montana] Jason Statham when I'm kicking people from chat, George Clooney for Paitin to dance with, and I'm going to get Aaron Rodgers to do a discount double check at the bank [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] Ateam Adam what is our new time frame, as well as your opinion on the time frame of which parliment will make decisions on the HCL or Chp. 7? Thanks, Adam. [Adam Montana] shoot, I should have removed this one. Already answered [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] Adam, you mentioned that you assumed big news back in Sept. that never occured, what new information do you have to assume this time big news will happen in the time frame you have discussed? Thank you for your help [Adam Montana] same thing we're looking for here in the next few weeks! I thought this would all be announced a few weeks ago [Adam Montana] I'll admit it, I was off by a few weeks [Adam Montana] I still might be off [Adam Montana] just doing the best I can here [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] bartstar Adam, I know you have mentioned in your thesis for us not to be surprised if the RV comes in at .10 cents, then you sent out a message saying that many people thought you were wrong and if you were wrong, you would be the first to admit it. I remember reading somewhere (I think) that you had doubled your original estimation which would be 20 cents. Based on what you know and the contacts you have, do you honestly think that 20 cents is closer to what you are expecting or do you still believe that it will RV close to a dime. I am not trying to pin you down to an exact amount, just wondering if you were still expecting a dime.....I know you caught a lot of slack for your opinion. I respect what you said in your thesis and although we would all love to see $3.00 or even a lot more, I just don't see it happening (in the beginning). I appreciate all that you do. [Adam Montana] I'm still in the same spot - I think a dime makes the most sense [Adam Montana] but I admit it could be as high as a dollar [Adam Montana] however [Adam Montana] I don't think it will be OVER a dollar for any reason [Adam Montana] even though they can afford to do so [Adam Montana] it just doesn't make sense to extend themselves that far [Adam Montana] when almost every investor in the universe will cash in at a dollar [Adam Montana] next please [kcw] eddiemac Adam, sure this has been addressed before but what are your thought's on the Dinar being oversold? The volume of people that hold the currency have me a bit apprehensive.. [Adam Montana] I hear this question occasionally [Adam Montana] at first glance, you would think it's a concern [Adam Montana] but in all reality, we are not as large of a group as you would think [Adam Montana] in the REALLY big picture, we don't hold that much dinar [Adam Montana] and Iraq can afford to cash us out at the current level [Adam Montana] now [Adam Montana] if it were to go another 5 years with no RV [Adam Montana] that is a different story [Adam Montana] but at this time I don't think the IQD is oversold at all [Adam Montana] was that the last one? [kcw] yep [Adam Montana] whew!!!! [Adam Montana] mods, someone get all the chat? [kcw] well of course! [Adam Montana] ok all, thanks for being patient. I know it was a long chat today Topic: open floor

It is a very short post. Just a thread that you might or might not respond to. So, what have you learned in watching this for a week, a month, a year, or eight years? What have you learned about yourself? I have dealt with anger, lies, emotional turmoil, been educated on investments, watched people act like scholars and idiots (sometimes me being one of the idiots,) and comical relief. Personally, I have been involved since November of 2009. You all remember that night when the numbers changed. My Father called me and told me that all my bills and my house were paid for. LOL! Since then, I have some skin in the game, and continue to wait until this either flourishes or flops. I didn't sleep that night in November. There has been many nights that I have not slept. Now, I sleep just fine. So, I hope you all find peace and prosperity in this investment. I hope that it ends in a way that changes your lives positively...no matter what. I learned to be okay with anything and everything. It took a while, but I think I am there. Despain

I'm sorry to hear you are going through this. I am dealing with the same type of situation, people are accusing me of being all kinds of people that I'm not, and in some cases my business associates, former employees, and some friends are being harassed by people who think I am someone I'm not. People, whoever is behind these lies and these ridiculous witch hunts - it needs to stop. Take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming the Okies, Adam's, and everyone else for YOUR financial situation. Nobody put a gun to your head, but what you are doing is intentionally trying to damage people's lives.

SOME INTERESTING PERSPECTIVES: kaperoni: Let’s get started… kaperoni: In past weeks we have discussed how Iraq is laying the groundwork prior to the RV. That though the CBI itself is ready to “delete the 3 zeros” (announce June 22nd), the other pieces of the puzzle need to be in place Imo prior to the RV taking place. kaperoni: These pieces have been discussed before and include the ISX, custodial banking, Forex, Tariffs, sale of state owned businesses, etc. Which in all will help expedite the movement into a free market economy in which Iraq will not only produce oil, but will have manufacturing and agriculture. kaperoni: Tonight’s chat is titled “the pressure is building – Part 2” let me show you why. kaperoni: We will start with Iraqi oil….Here is the first article… kaperoni: Shahristani: Iraq ready to equip the world market with its need for oil production grows - 2011-11-14 kaperoni: And quote… kaperoni: “Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister for Energy Affairs Hussain Shahristani Iraq ready for processing in the world market needs of the Iraqi oil with increased production.” kaperoni: Sounds to me Iraq is ready to turn on the facets. Increased export of oil has always been one of the mail goals. Appears they are now ready. The pressure is starting. kaperoni: Most of the oil resides in Kurdistan. Let’s see what they have to say. kaperoni: Article.. ExxonMobil stirs the pot by signing deal with Iraqi Kurdistan - Nov 15, 2011kaperoni: Quote… kaperoni: “But now, in the Kurdish region of Iraq, the oil company may have stirred up one of its most momentous tussles.” kaperoni: Looks like the Kurds may have done a no-no. Let’s see…Quote… kaperoni: “Last weekend, the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) confirmed it had signed contracts with the US giant to explore six blocks. This marks an important shift in the relationship between the Kurdish region and the central government in Baghdad.” kaperoni: Oh, they are moving forwards with or without Baghdad. A little pressure? Look at these comments from the next article… kaperoni: Article - Saleh: We will not let our fate at the mercy of bureaucratic Baghdad - Monday, 11/14/2011 kaperoni: Quote… kaperoni: Dr. Saleh said, "We have had a difficult few days, and today, after that we passed those days, the people of Kurdistan deserve to benefit from this precious wealth." kaperoni: Oh, the Kurdistan region has a backbone. They want to prosper. Let’s see with this next quote… kaperoni: " We will not let our destiny be again at the mercy of the bureaucracy in Baghdad, we do not want to see again that the bureaucracy that we have seen in the past. " kaperoni: Putting the pressure on the GOI to get the laws passed and to end the political bureaucracy. kaperoni: Looks like the GOI and parliament has its work cut out for them. Oil production pressure and the Kurdistan region. How about the economics within Iraq…Let’s see how they are coming in the progress of implementing Tariffs & International trade… kaperoni: Article…Economists (and independent Iraqi news agency): Tariffs composting ownership is positive and not wanting to reform behind the delayed - 14/11/2011 kaperoni: Quote… kaperoni: “…what happened in the market from dumping goods and bad, which negatively impacts on the economy and the Iraqi citizen, will reduce the entry of this law and the application of tariff law composting ownership will help Iraq's accession to the WTO.” kaperoni: Pretty straightforward…get your tariffs in place and this will help with the market economy as well as accession into the WTO. Wonder if there is pressure? kaperoni: Quote… kaperoni: “They claimed to need to work seriously and urgently on the need for economic reforms that can promote this sector in the country.” kaperoni: Yes, that quote says it all. “Seriously and urgently”kaperoni: Another quote sums up the need… kaperoni: “The economic expert Qais Naimi said: Is that the tariff law composting ownership is able to develop the productive sectors of agricultural, industrial, and added it to our strategy to tackle unemployment, especially we are lacking skilled manpower, and this of course needs to train the Iraqi labor.” kaperoni: So when? We had heard December 2011. Is that still the target? Lets look at this article… kaperoni: Ministry of Industry will hold a series of seminars to explain the mechanisms to enforce a law on the protection of Iraqi products - 14/11/2011 kaperoni: Two quotes… kaperoni: “…organized four seminars tariff for mechanisms to enforce a law on the protection of Iraqi products…” kaperoni: “…starting from the first of the month of November until the twenty-ninth…” kaperoni: Ok, so they are training the people for the implementation of the tariff program…They have had 4 seminars scheduled which will conclude at the end of this month…That some good juice. Let’s take another look…two more quotes… kaperoni: “An official source in the circle of development and industrial organization in a press statement that the law aims to protect local products from the policies of dumping of goods and foreign products in terms of prices…” kaperoni: “He pointed out that the aim of holding these seminars is to explain the mechanisms to enforce the law…” kaperoni: More confirmation…training, so these people will know how to enforce the law. Looks to me like pressure. Once these people are trained…they are going to want to implement this right away before their skills diminish. Could there be a hold up? Look at this quote… kaperoni: “…also require approval of the law of customs tariff and activate the work of the Central Agency for Standardization and quality control in the control and monitoring of goods and products entering Iraq…” kaperoni: Ah, a law needs to be passed. Parliament has another law to pass when they return. kaperoni: Let’s move into reconstruction, employment…got to be some pressure there right? kaperoni: Article… kaperoni: High poverty rate in Diyala due to security conditions and delays in implementation of investment projects - 15/11/2011 kaperoni: Four short quotes from that article… kaperoni: “…increasing poverty in the province due to lack of security and stability and the slow pace of construction projects and investment opportunities…” kaperoni: “Warning of the dangers and negative repercussions on the security situation and exploit it before the terrorist groups.” kaperoni: “…calling for the recruitment and direct budgets and great wealth in the country to eradicate the poverty…” kaperoni: “He Jubouri to the ability of government to address poverty and raise living standards for citizens in all provinces under the economic potential..” kaperoni: Pretty simple…Yes - pressure to people back to work soon. Raise the living standards before violence takes over. That is definitely pressure. kaperoni: Looks like Iraq is starting to feel like they have to accomplish something…the pressure is building…And this next quote is a reference to when the US came (it worsened conditions) and when troops leave it shall raise the living conditions… kaperoni: "near the end of the U.S. withdrawal from the country would be a positive factor in achieving economic progress would bring down the rates of poverty and unemployment and improve living conditions of citizens, pointing out that U.S. forces another cause of increased rates of poverty and deterioration of living of the Iraqi people. " kaperoni: Looks to me like the Iraqi people are expecting something to happen soon. Maybe an RV? Let’s take a look to see if they are ready to get this done with the next article…. kaperoni: Experts: project delete the zeros with the dimensions of economic and technical - Saturday, 12 November 2011 kaperoni: Here are two quotes… kaperoni: “…the need to reduce the money supply in the country, and the radical reform of the management system of currency, with the choice of time for the implementation…” kaperoni: “…the project is put on public opinion to be discussed widely by the direct implementation.” kaperoni: Same old story…reduce the money supply, choose the time to do it, and the project is still being discussed. Let’s see if we can find some juice with this next quote… kaperoni: “The table was convened last Friday before the Hall of Society of Engineers in Baghdad, and the initiative of local intellectuals in the Iraqi Communist Party.” kaperoni: Oh yes! More than likely these are civil engineers. Which mean they are more than likely discussing the implementation and logistics. This is very good news! Let’s take another look with this quote… kaperoni: “…who discussed the motives and justifications put forward the project to delete the zeros of the Iraqi currency, and reservations that have cropped out the idea.” kaperoni: There is our confirmation. They are more than likely discussing the actual planning and implementation. So when? Another quote… kaperoni: “And conclude comrade Raed Fahmi, a member of the Political Bureau of the Iraqi Communist Dhav table conversation about the reality of the Iraqi economy, also addressed the right conditions to start the implementation of the project,…” kaperoni: Did you see what they said? “also addressed the right conditions to start” Certainly, more pressure. kaperoni: Last time we looked at the banks and stock market…Let’s check in with this article… kaperoni: Iraqi Stock Exchange index fell for a seventh and the exposure of banks to the largest decline - Monday, 14 November 2011 November 15, 2011 at 10:42 PM Flag Quote & Reply kaperoniModerator Posts: 2211 kaperoni: Quote… kaperoni: “Iraqi Stock Exchange index fell at today's meeting, the seventh meeting of the continued decline…” kaperoni: That is 7 days in a row the stock market has dropped. Not good. That will certainly effect the economy and add some pressure. kaperoni: Wonder how the banks are doing without a tradable currency…Hard to get investment capital. Let’s see with these 3 next quoteskaperoni: “the Central Bank is able to develop a plan for banks as in the rest of the world through the allocation of capital support…” kaperoni: “the existence of legal impediments to not let him go in this direction,” kaperoni: “nearly 8 years of political change major global banks shall not come to Iraq and to engage in partnerships with local banks.”kaperoni: Oh the pressure from banking is building…”Legal Impediments” is fancy for Laws. And we can also see they are frustrated - international banks are reluctant to engage and partner with these local banks. Looks like Parliament has some more laws to pass. Pressure is building for sure. Let’s dig a bit deeper with this next article…kaperoni: Article…Economy bank confirms the inability of the private banks to finance projects - 15/11/2011kaperoni: And this quote… kaperoni: "special private banks unable to contribute to the development and implementation of investment projects in the country, due to lack of capital that is commensurate with the investments inside the country because it takes money,…”kaperoni: Again, we see the pressure and more importantly, frustration with delays. It has affected investment projects. One more quote…it is a key quote…as it ties back to the Iraqi stock market (ISX)…kaperoni: “…there is no encouragement to contribute to the massive investments as a result of low stock prices for private banks…” kaperoni: So now we can see that the poor stock prices will also affect these private banks. And the last thing the CBI wants is banks to fail. Do you see the pressure? & days of decline in the ISX is not good…kaperoni: Ok, so let’s move to the CBI and lastly Parliament to see what they are going to do about all this pressure building…This article…kaperoni: Central Bank warns of collapse of the currency and the fall of the Iraqi economy - 14/11/2011kaperoni: These 3 quotes…kaperoni: “Iraqi Central Bank has warned of the vicious circle of inflation in the Iraqi economy and the collapse of the currency in light of the economic data and the current inflation in the next two years "kaperoni: "the overall rate of inflation will continue to rise over the coming months, and will not do any good monetary policy…” kaperoni: “….will not hesitate to intervene strongly in the event of a rise of two places decimal places”kaperoni: So once again the CBI has warned the GOI and Parliament, that inflation will continue to rise, and the current policy or “status quo” will not work. As well, they flex there muscle and state again…if you let this political non-sense continue and inflation gets to 10% we are stepping in to RV. We don’t really need ur blessing.kaperoni: Another article…kaperoni: Central Bank: Iraq needs a process of administrative reform of the currency -14/11/2011kaperoni: Basic explanation again from Saleh why he wants to move forward…this quote…kaperoni: Mohammed Saleh, said that “the project to change the currency in Iraq is a step comes as part of the country's needs to the process of administrative reform of the currency in order to reduce the cost of cash transactions in the economic process.”kaperoni: Then in this article we see him put the pressure on….he rambles off a few paragraphs, which is very compelling…I took out the best parts…kaperoni: “..much reliance on capacity expansion…”kaperoni: “…which should go to activate the economic movement in the country…” kaperoni: “…this is the map of the real economic which should be at this image…” kaperoni: “…but we now need to organize administrative and economic better…”kaperoni: “…having a strong will and agenda of the right economic than what exists today on the political agenda…”kaperoni: “…as well as the cooperation of all for the advancement of the country…” kaperoni: He pretty much is telling them to get this done. It is time, it is time to stop the rhetoric, it is time to get organized, and time to stop the personal or political agendas. He is putting the pressure on Parliament. kaperoni: The goal of these chats “the pressure is building” 1 and 2 was to educate everyone on how all this fits together. To show you that one single event (such as just the RV) was meaningless without all the pieces of the puzzle to compliment it. So to wrap up this chat, let’s see how Parliament is going to handle all this pressure. kaperoni: I am going to combine two articles…As they are similar.kaperoni: Bill stalled in Congress due to differences between the clusters 80 - Monday, 14-11-2011 kaperoni: and this one..kaperoni: Decision of the House of Representatives: (30) is ready to vote a law that affect the lives of citizens - 15/11/2011kaperoni: In these two articles, they mention the work schedule starting soon. Though varying numbers (30 laws vs. 80 laws) the point is made…here is a quote…kaperoni: “…asserting the existence of more than 80 Bills awaiting consensus blocks for approval.”kaperoni: And this one...kaperoni: “…affirmed the decision of Parliament Muhammad Khalidi, the fact that some 30 laws affecting the life of the citizen directly ready for a vote and approved in the House of Representatives.”kaperoni: So we see that they have a huge amount of laws and as stated… “effecting the lives of the citizen directly” sitting and waiting. Many read once or twice already…They are loading the barrel of the gun, sort of speak. And the pressure is certainly building. When do they return and when will they vote on these laws? Here is the last quote…kaperoni: “…will begin the new legislative term next Sunday the twentieth of November.” kaperoni: So now you all know…nothing will happen until after these laws are passed which begins on Nov 20th. kaperoni: Done If Parliamen continues at their current pace, it will take them 5 years to pass 30 lasws and 10 years to pass 80 laws!

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Osama Bin Laden was killed within 90 seconds of the US Navy Seals landing in his compound and not after a protracted gun battle, according to the first account by the men who carried out the raid. The operation was so clinical that only 12 bullets were fired. The Seals have spoken out because they were angered at the version given by politicians, which they see as portraying them as cold-blooded murderers on a “kill mission”. They were also shocked that President Barack Obama announced Bin Laden’s death on television the same evening, rendering useless much of the intelligence they had seized. Chuck Pfarrer, a former commander of Seal Team 6, which conducted the operation, has interviewed many of those who took part for a book, Seal Target Geronimo, to be published in the US this week. The Seals’ own accounts differ from the White House version, which gave the impression that Bin Laden was killed at the end of the operation rather than in its opening seconds. Pfarrer insists Bin Laden would have been captured had he surrendered. “There isn’t a politician in the world who could resist trying to take credit for getting Bin Laden but it devalued the ‘intel’ and gave time for every other Al-Qaeda leader to scurry to another bolthole,” said Pfarrer. “The men who did this and their valorous act deserve better. It’s a pretty shabby way to treat these guys.” The first hint of the mission came in January last year when the team’s commanding officer was called to a meeting at the headquarters of joint special operations command. The meeting was held in a soundproof bunker three storeys below ground with his boss, Admiral William McRaven, and a CIA officer. They told him a walled compound in Pakistan had been under surveillance for a couple of weeks. They were certain a high-value individual was inside and needed a plan to present to the president. It had to be someone important. “So is this Bert or Ernie?” he asked. The Seals’ nicknames for Bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri are a reference to two Muppets in Sesame Street, one tall and thin and the other short and fat. “We have a voice print,” said the CIA officer, “and we’re 60% or 70% certain it’s our guy.” McRaven added that a reconnaissance satellite had measured the target’s shadow. “Over 6ft tall.” When McRaven added they would use Ghost Hawk helicopters, the team leader had no doubt. “These are the most classified, sophisticated stealth helicopters ever developed,” said Pfarrer. “They are kept in locked hangars and fly so quiet we call it ‘whisper mode’.” Over the next couple of months a plan was hatched. A mock-up of the compound was built at Tall Pines, an army facility in a national forest somewhere in the eastern US. Four reconnaissance satellites were placed in orbit over the compound, sending back video and communications intercepts. A tall figure seen walking up and down was named “the Pacer”. Obama gave the go-ahead and Seal Team 6, known as the Jedi, was deployed to Afghanistan. The White House cancelled plans to provide air cover using jet fighters, fearing this might endanger relations with Pakistan. Sending in the Ghost Hawks without air cover was considered too risky so the Seals had to use older Stealth Hawks. A Prowler electronic warfare aircraft from the carrier USS Carl Vinson was used to jam Pakistan’s radar and create decoy targets. Operation Neptune’s Spear was initially planned for April 30 but bad weather delayed it until May 1, a moonless night. The commandos flew on two Stealth Hawks, codenamed Razor 1 and 2, followed by two Chinooks five minutes behind, known as “Command Bird” and the “gun platform”. On board, each Seal was clad in body armour and nightvision goggles and equipped with laser targets, radios and sawn-off M4 rifles. They were expecting up to 30 people in the main house, including Bin Laden and three of his wives, two sons, Khalid and Hamza, his courier, Abu Ahmed al- Kuwaiti, four bodyguards and a number of children. At 56 minutes past midnight the compound came into sight and the code “Palm Beach” signalled three minutes to landing. Razor 1 hovered above the main house, a three-storey building where Bin Laden lived on the top floor. Twelve Seals abseiled the 5ft-6ft down onto the roof and then jumped to a third-floor patio, where they kicked in the windows and entered. The first person the Seals encountered was a terrified woman, Bin Laden’s third wife, Khaira, who ran into the hall. Blinded by a searing white strobe light they shone at her, she stumbled back. A Seal grabbed her by the arm and threw her to the floor. Bin Laden’s bedroom was along a short hall. The door opened; he popped out and then slammed the door shut. “Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo,” radioed one Seal, meaning “eyes on target”. At the same time lights came on from the floor below and Bin Laden’s son Khalid came running up the stairs towards the Seals. He was shot dead. Two Seals kicked in Bin Laden’s door. The room, they later recalled, “smelt like old clothing, like a guest bedroom in a grandmother’s house”. Inside was the Al-Qaeda leader and his youngest wife, Amal, who was screaming as he pushed her in front of him. “No, no, don’t do this!” she shouted as her husband reached across the king-size bed for his AK-47 assault rifle. The Seals reacted instantly, firing in the same second. One round thudded into the mattress. The other, aimed at Bin Laden’s head, grazed Amal in the calf. As his hand reached for the gun, they each fired again: one shot hit his breastbone, the other his skull, killing him instantly and blowing out the back of his head. Meanwhile Razor 2 was heading for the guesthouse, a low, shoebox-like building, where Bin Laden’s courier, Kuwaiti, and his brother lived. As the helicopter neared, a door opened and two figures appeared, one waving an AK-47. This was Kuwaiti. In the moonless night he could see nothing and lifted his rifle, spraying bullets wildly. He did not see the Stealth Hawk. On board someone shouted, “Bust him!”, and a sniper fired two shots. Kuwaiti was killed, as was the person behind him, who turned out to be his wife. Also on board were a CIA agent, a Pakistani- American who would act as interpreter, and a sniffer dog called Karo, wearing dog body armour and goggles. Within two minutes the Seals from Razor 2 had cleared the guesthouse and removed the women and children. They then ran to the main house and entered from the ground floor, checking the rooms. One of Bin Laden’s bodyguards was waiting with his AK-47. The Seals shot him twice and he toppled over. Five minutes into the operation the command Chinook landed outside the compound, disgorging the commanding officer and more men. They blasted through the compound wall and rushed in. The commander made his way to the third floor, where Bin Laden’s body lay on the floor face up. Photographs were taken, and the commander called on his satellite phone to headquarters with the words: “Geronimo Echo KIA” — Bin Laden enemy killed in action. “This was the first time the White House knew he was dead and it was probably 20 minutes into the raid,” said Pfarrer. A sample of Bin Laden’s DNA was taken and the body was bagged. They kept his rifle. It is now mounted on the wall of their team room at their headquarters in Virginia Beach, Virginia, alongside photographs of a dozen colleagues killed in action in the past 20 years. At this point things started to go wrong. Razor 1 took off but the top secret “green unit” that controls the electronics failed. The aircraft went into a spin and crashed tail-first into the compound. The Seals were alarmed, thinking it had been shot down, and several rushed to the wreckage. The crew climbed out, shaken but unharmed. The commanding officer ordered them to destroy Razor 2, to remove the green unit, and to smash the avionics. They then laid explosive charges. They loaded Bin Laden’s body onto the Chinook along with the cache of intelligence in plastic bin bags and headed toward the USS Carl Vinson. As they flew off they blew up Razor 2. The whole operation had taken 38 minutes. The following morning White House officials announced that the helicopter had crashed as it arrived, forcing the Seals to abandon plans to enter from the roof. A photograph of the situation room showed a shocked Hillarious Clinton, the secretary of state, with her hand to her mouth. Why did they get it so wrong? What they were watching was live video but it was shot from 20,000ft by a drone circling overhead and relayed in real time to the White House and Leon Panetta, the CIA director, in Langley. The Seals were not wearing helmet cameras, and those watching in Washington had no idea what was happening inside the buildings. “They don’t understand our terminology, so when someone said the ‘insertion helicopter’ has crashed, they assumed it meant on entry,” said Pfarrer. What infuriated the Seals, according to Pfarrer, was the description of the raid as a kill mission. “I’ve been a Seal for 30 years and I never heard the words ‘kill mission’,” he said. “It’s a Beltway [Washington insider’s] ]fantasy word. If it was a kill mission you don’t need Seal Team 6; you need a box of hand grenades.”

Not sarcastic at all, Bamagirl, Thanks for the question, my son is a minister in Midland, Texas. He called me , last year, and said dad I need some help, he said they had outgrown their church and there was another for sale, but they werent able to get a loan to buy it. Im a contractor, developer, and that night, I had a dream to buy that church. Long story short, The price tag was 4.3 million, in the dream I offered 1.2 million, have them carry the note for 3 years. The morning came and I called him and told him about my dream, he said, Dad, I dont think they will except that. After a few days, I kept having a strong conviction, to fly down and view the church and meet with the ones who had it for sale. I put it off, for a few more weeks, I was on a developement project, and I literally started to cry, now folks Ive been a hard contractor for about 34 years, I dont put up with to much. I went to my pick-up, and that church was on my heart strong. I called my son and said set up an appointment, Im flying to Midland. I viewed and met with the authorities, made the offer that was in my dream, they said they would get back to me, upon arriving back in Nashville, I had a message on my phone,,,DAD, they excepted the offer, at that point, a thought came to me, it will ge totally paid for in 2012. I dont go to church like I should, but I do believe,,,,I like what Churchhill, said, Never, Never, Never, Give up..

STATISTICS NEVER LIE- AND THE CONCLUSION SEEMS LOGICAL TO ME. Logic 101 An interesting letter in the Canadian Shooter Magazine this week, which I quote: "If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq Theater of operations during the past 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington , DC is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. That means you are about 25 per cent more likely to be shot and killed in the US capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the U.S., than you are in Iraq . Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington

Ok -- short and simply to the point .... With all the rumors that fly around here (some see it as great entertainment), how are you to know when it is 'real' or 'fake' (mostly this is the choice) ... Anyway, here are 3 or 4 easy ways to tell if the dang dinar has Rv'd or not ... 1. Are the Dinar traders still selling Dinars ... if yes, probably hasn't Rv'd ... 2. Is there an 'official' announcement by any news source? If not, most likey we are looking a another online fantasy story 3. Has Adam or Any of the many site leaders providing positive confirmation telling that is has Rv'd and what is next???? 4. IS THERE A LINK? >>> no link, no rv -- it really is just that simple! I go through this list, and typically, rather quickly it becomes obvious to me how to rank the latest 'story'. Have a most amazing rv-day!!! QF

Please dont kill the messenger. Just read this elsewhere. If it would only be true. [poppy3] Hey guys i just got off the phone 3 minutes ago and the intel is just a little later than i and other have expected and we are now looking for our banks to not have the information till late thursay or friday morning. Nothing bad just the release globally being delayed a few extra hours according to intel coming from iraq to our ust?? If i get furtuer details i will post immediately. Poppy3 [poppy3] Guys i am excited to know also that the speech dr shabibi made last evening was factual and i confirmed about a hour half ago. He did state plainly the dinar will be the highest valued currency in the world and their goi officials are going to be paid in new valued money …. Now thats excellent news poppy3 and bgg and i have not talked at all. Poppy3 OK now, I am ready for the negs....

Awesome uplifting stories above. My faith is strong and it has to be or I would go insane. My husband worked in Iraq. The hardest thing I ever had to do was to tell my dearly beloved husband, over the phone, I had Breast Cancer, we couldn't hold each other or look into each other eyes for comfort. We could feel each others concerns and hurt from miles away. But I pulled myself together, and with the Grace of God, moved forward. A year or two later he was approached about the Dinar. Although we were tight with our funds, due to the medical build up, and apart from each other , we worked together. Each of us making sacrifices to build up our funds a little at a time. When funds allowed, I told him go for it. God sends opportunity our way and we need to jump on them. I felt deep in my heart that this ride was going to be worth all our sacrifices. Through all my challenges, trials and victories I know I will conquer it with the help of my God. Now we wait. and let me tell you, I don't mine waiting and waiting with all of you.

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* TheRock (Your investment, your future): BLC 11/16/11 November 16th, 2011 09:38 am · Posted in CHATS & POSTS (Iraqi Dinar Info) I just want to encourage you all to hang in there no matter what you read or hear. We may be in rough waters at the present time, see, read and hear things that may discourage us, but this is all good. Those with strong faith will prevail and rejoice in the rewards. For the last few weeks and months many GREAT articles have come out and many false ones also. I have been in this investment since the new Dinar came out in 2003. I have seen many things, read many news articles, witnessed many Dinar sites , heard more then I can to hear with rumors, only to land at BondLady’s sight. Its my own opinion but I can honestly say that there is NO sight equal to this and BondLady’s efforts are totally amazing. This truly is a place where you get the news that follows the money and our investment. Hang in there, support one another, find articles that follow the money and support the investment, stay far away from negative things and soon you will see what you invested in will be will worth the wait. There are many on this site who are more then qualified to help you after. Question is are you ready to stand firm and loyal? Are you willing to be the best of the best? Only you can decide that. The ride is almost over… Iraq will soon become the strongest economic power of the world. http://www.**************...ur-future#37932

CNN. Broadcasting From The Occupy Sesame Street Movement. Cisole + Miss Piggy Are Showing Off Their New Tattoos. Cisole Just Mooned The Crowd To Show Off His ! 11-16-2011 Guru Adam Montana this last weekend there were a couple of major news station clips about the dinar both of them were kind of funny in my opinion, because it was obvious that the people who wrote the article didn't know much about Iraq. what struck me, though is that they didn't say DON'T buy the dinar, they said it "might" not be right for you, they also said that it's likely the dinar will go up. what they failed to point out or maybe they simply didn't realize it is that unlike the Zimbabawe currency, Iraq has oil, natural gas, and intelligent investors to back their currency. unlike Zimbabwe, Iraq is no longer printing currency on an out of control situation. Iraq is very stable and has a tight grip on their currency supply and money value, comparing Iraq to Zimbabwe is completely wrong. 11-16-2011 Guru Kaperoni the pressure from banking is building...And we can also see they are frustrated - international banks are reluctant to engage and partner with these local banks. Looks like Parliament has some more laws to pass. Pressure is building for sure...we see the pressure and more importantly, frustration with delays. It has affected investment projects. the poor stock prices will also affect these private banks. And the last thing the CBI wants is banks to fail. Central Bank warns of collapse of the currency and the fall of the Iraqi economy. once again the CBI has warned the GOI and Parliament...if you let this political non-sense continue and inflation gets to 10% we are stepping in to RV. We don’t really need ur blessing. [/url] 1-15-2011 Guru Kaperoni Iraq is laying the groundwork prior to the RV. That though the CBI itself is ready to “delete the 3 zeros” (announce June 22nd), the other pieces of the puzzle need to be in place Imo prior to the RV taking place. These pieces...include the ISX, custodial banking, Forex, Tariffs, sale of state owned businesses, etc. they have a huge amount of laws and as stated… “effecting the lives of the citizen directly” sitting and waiting. Many read once or twice already…They are loading the barrel of the gun, sort of speak. And the pressure is certainly building. When do they return and when will they vote on these laws? quote…“…will begin the new legislative term next Sunday the twentieth of November.” So now you all know…nothing will happen until after these laws are passed which begins on Nov 20th. 11-15-2011 Guru Med IN REALITY ONLY WHAT CBI WAS DOING WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. NOTHING THE GOI DID WE LEARNED HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RAISING OF THE ZERO'S EXCEPT THE SECURITY THAT SHABIBI MISSED THE BOAT ON. LAST NOVEMBER WHEN I KNEW THEY WERE PULLING IN THE LARGE DENOMS THAT THINGS WERE CLOSE AND VERY LITTLE NEEDED TO BE DONE. THERE WAS ALLOT THAT HAD TO BE ACCOMPLISHED, NOW WE ARE DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY. 11-15-2011 Guru Mailman17 LETS JUST SIT BACK AND SEE WHAT TRANSPIRES STARTING THE 20TH. LETS JUST SEE IF SHABS BILL IS ON THE DOCKET FOR THAT DAY. AS IMPORTANT AS IT IS, I CANT SEE ANYTHING ELSE HAVING MORE PRIORITY. IF THERE WAS EVEN THE SLIGHTEST PROBLEM WITH THE RAISING OF THE ZEROES...IT WOULD NOT HAVE FLOWN THROUGH THE FIRST 2 READS. EVERYONE AND ANYONE IMPORTANT IN GETTING THIS A 3RD READ AND MADE LAW IS ON BOARD. GONNA BE A DAY TO WATCH FOR SURE....RIDES ALMOST OVER PEEPS

United Nations: Iraq Will Top Oil Powers (Great) Affecting the World A report prepared by the United Nations that Iraq has oil reserves exceeding 143 billion barrels, and reserve potential exceeding 200 billion barrels, and that will lead the forces of oil Great position to influence the global markets, while Iraq denied officially be granted Company (Exxon Mobil) oil, U.S. approval to work in prospecting for crude oil in the Kurdistan region. According to a UN report released yesterday that Iraq has oil reserves exceeding 143 billion barrels and potential reserves exceeding 200 billion barrels. The report, prepared by the Information and Analysis Unit and the Joint United Nations agencies, UNDP and the Organization for the reality of the oil and gas in Iraq, Iraq in the event of continuation of the current production of oil Vsikva reserves for 90 years. And that “this reserve puts the country among a small group of countries that have a high potential for oil production and influence the world oil markets.” He added that “Iraq will lead the forces of the vast oil can influence the global market, taking into account the sheer volume of proven reserves and potential and build on the current plans for oil development.” He explained that “two thirds of oil and gas reserves are found in southern Iraq, and one third in the north.” The report also pointed out that “the oil sector dominated the economy of the country fully contributes to the estimated 60% of GDP, and 99% of exports, and 90% of government income,” and added that “the higher the rates of production and export of oil has expanded its control of the economy, and therefore grew government revenue from it. “ The report emphasized that “in the event of continuing oil production in this way Vsikva reserves proven oil for 70 to 90 years,” pointing out that “the average price of a barrel of oil in the event continued at a level of $ 100 will reach the proceeds of the Iraqi government this year to $ 80 billion and will double to 160 billion by 2016. “ The report noted that “contracts for technical services in the federal government granted the oil-producing companies really share it, but the extent of this constitutional right is the subject of dispute at the present time.” He added that “these contracts may be held accountable if not approved by the Iraqi Council of Representatives to prevent ambiguity in constitutional provisions relating to oil and the differences between the federal government and regional governments on the translation of these items, the Iraq version of the required legislation.” He stressed that “oil export revenues led to high real exchange rate of the Iraqi dinar, which would hamper the export process in other sectors of non-oil imports and increase competition and raise costs in the non-traded sectors.” The report shows that “23% of Iraqis live below the poverty line, with an estimated expense of the individual 2.2 dollars a day, and this means that Iraq needs to create more jobs,” adding that “the abuse of Iraqi gas as it produces between 16 and 17 billion standard cubic meters of gas annually, and is marketed locally billion cubic meters, and pumps billion cubic meters in the tanks to help in the production of oil and the rest is either burned or lost in the air. “ According to the UN report, the “reserve ratio reliable gas of 3100 billion standard cubic meters, equivalent to 15 billion barrels of oil, but gas reserves is still not used optimally,” adding that “Iraq’s oil production is distributed over 12 fields president is Tawke , Taq Taq, Khrmalh, Star, Pope Karkar, Badra, cilia, Halfaya, crazy, West Qurna, Rumaila North and South America, and Zubair. “ In regard to the Post, said a press release from the Media Office of the Deputy Prime Minister for Energy, Hussein al-Shahristani, “picked up some of the media news that al-Shahristani agreed that Exxon Mobil, which operates in southern Iraq, for oil exploration in the Kurdistan region, and we stress that the news untrue out of hand. “ The statement added that “the Iraqi government will deal with any company violate the laws the same way that dealt with similar companies before.” The statement said that “the Ministry informed the oil company Exxon Mobil this position.” http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnahrain%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Dbh9%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ar&twu=1&u=http://www.uragency.net/ur/news.php%3Fcat%3Deconomic%26id%3D5945

Read this only if you paid into social security over the years KEEP PASSING THIS AROUND UNTIL EVERY ONE HAS READ IT..... SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH THIS CALCULATION IS THEY FORGOT TO FIGURE IN THE PEOPLE WHO DIED BEFORE THEY COLLECTED THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY!!!! WHERE DID THAT MONEY GO????????????? Subject: I Paid In-- Didn't You? This was sent to me, I am forwarding it because it does touch a nerve in me.. This is another example of what Rick Perry called "TREASON in high places" !!! Get angry and pass this on! Remember, not only did you contribute to Social Security but your employer did too. It totaled 15% of your income before taxes. If you averaged only $30K over your working life, that's close to $220,500. If you calculate the future value of $4,500 per year (yours & your employer's contribution) at a simple 5% (less than what the govt. pays on the money that it borrows), after 49 years of working you'd have $892,919.98. If you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $26,787.60 per year and it would last better than 30 years (until you're 95 if you retire at age 65) and that's with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit! If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you'd have a lifetime income of $2,976.40 per month. The folks in Washington have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madhoff ever had. Entitlement my ass, I paid cash for my social security insurance!!!! Just because they borrowed the money, doesn't make my benefits some kind of charity or handout!! Congressional benefits ---- free healthcare, outrageous retirement packages, 67 paid holidays, three weeks paid vacation, unlimited paid sick days, now that's welfare, and they have the nerve to call my social security retirement entitlements? We're "broke" and can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Home less In the last months we have provided aid to Haiti , Chile , and Turkey . And now Pakistan ......home of bin Laden. Literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS!!! Our retired seniors living on a 'fixed income' receive no aid nor do they get any breaks while our government and religious organizations pour Hundreds of Billions of $$$$$$'s and Tons of Food to Foreign Countries! They call Social Security and Medicare an entitlement even though most of us have been paying for it all our working lives and now when it’s time for us to collect, the government is running out of money. Why did the government borrow from it in the first place? Imagine if the *GOVERNMENT* gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries. Sad isn't it?

Atheist Group to Sponsor Anti-Christmas Billboards Featuring Jesus, Santa & Satan Posted on November 16, 2011 by Conservative Byte American Atheists announced Monday on their “No God Blog” a new billboard campaign in their continued effort in “laboring for the civil liberties of atheists,” but in reality just upsetting those who disagree with their theological stance. A press release for the American Atheists’ new holiday season billboard campaign reads: “American Atheists announced today that their new billboard is going up in several locations nationwide, including the New Jersey side of the Lincoln Tunnel: the same location as last year’s famous ‘You KNOW it’s a MYTH’ billboard. The new billboard will also be going up in Ohio and Florida. This year’s holiday season billboard features pictures of Neptune, Jesus, Santa Claus, and the Devil and says, ‘37 Million Americans know MYTHS when they see them. What do you see?’” See the billboard here: http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/atheist-group-to-sponsor-anti-christmas-billboards-featuring-jesus-santa-satan/ Mmmmm... where's Mohamed and Buhda? Why do these people go so far out their way to bash and taunt Christians? Reference to Tiffany's previous posting on "why athiests are the most hated." Well, here's another reason.

How about a ten spot to just go away???

Ok now that I have your attention, let me say this "PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE" I have been sitting and watching the chaos in the forum and in chat. People are falling by the wayside everytime we turn around, complaining that the emotional rollercoaster is to much. just because there is a dinar site doesn't mean you should join everysite. Each site has its purpose we may not know what it is, but they wouldn't be there if people didn't want to hear it. I was on site awhile back, it was sad in away the things they were discussing we had gone over it here on DV 3 weeks before, yet they didn't want to hear it. So no matter what the purpose of the site is we are wanting the same thing. Some hide their heads in the sand, some live in another world, while others only want to deal with the news. SO sit back and relax know this: the dinar WILL RV/RI when ? rate? but it will happen. If its getting to you its time to turn off your computer, go to your significant other and cuddle for awhile. In other words relax and breath. In the immortal words of Dr. Sidney Freedman "Take my advice, drop your pants and slide on the ice" (for those wonedering he isn't a real Dr) Not pushing anything but I rememeber whenAdam put his book out, alot of people from other sites were on his case, but I believe he said it best "if nothing else you will learn alot about iraq" (if i miss quoted Adam sorry) i know I have learned alot about the gov, and their finances. RELAX RELAX RELAX Another quote from a man i respect alot Grandmaster HU Lee "today impossible, tomorrow possible" this saying aplies to everyday living even the dinar

CNN. Broadcasting While Practicing Our Latest Dance Move - The White Clown Overbite. We're Getting Ready For DJ Umbertino's Post RV Bunga Bunga Party ! The CBI's Next Moves All, I am passing along a short note on the time frame we're looking at for what Shabibi is doing next. We are looking at Dec 15th as the start for the window of what is happening next. Shabibi mentioned getting more support for the private sector after the troops left. We now have to wait and see to what capacity this Iraqi Government and the CBI are willing to do to move forward. I am truly excited at the prospect of the CBI making moves. The CBI and it’s top officials have mentioned over and over again what they have planned and what their motives are. The strategy has been laid out and bench marks have been set ($1USD). All we can do is sit back (RELAX), watch the Iraqi Government and the CBI work out the policy in what ever form and time frame. Keep your head in the game. By now you all should know what to look for and what bench marks we are looking at. Warmest Regards, Breitling

The reason I am in this investment is because of a dream I had. God has showed me dreams before that have come to past. It doesnt happen often, but when it does, I know God is trying to speak to me. The dream happened about 8 months ago. Throughout the dream I was surrounded with immense wealth. All of my hearts desire had been fulfilled. The dream was so real and very intense. Before I could even finishnthe dream I was awoke by my dad calling my phone. I picked up and my dad began to tell me about the Dinar. From that point forward I researched and educated myself with Iraq and it's currency. I have added aggresively to my Dinar position, and I'm not worried one bit about this investment not happening. I have peace about it and just a strong belief within me that we will see something relatively soon. This is my dinar story, be patient, hold fast, and believe, his will happen in Gods perfect timing.

SUBJECT: Remarks from CBS Sunday Morning, A Must Read If You Are Human! Only hope we find GOD again before it is too late!! The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary. My confession: I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are, Christmas trees. It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away. I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat. Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to. In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking. Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Hurricane Katrina). Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?' In light of recent events..... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says 'Thou shalt not kill'; 'Thou shalt not steal,' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' And we said OK. Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay. (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide.) Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.' Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace. Are you laughing yet? Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.. Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not, then just discard it . .. no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in. My best regards, honestly and respectfully, Ben Stein

After you remove the 000's, there will only be 36!!

You know, we all love to hate someone. What amazes me is how many people know Okie and check on his website. Then they come here an bash him. To be honest, I wish the bashing would lighten up. There are people out there that think that they are doing good things. They don't profit from this Dinar and they have followings. But their research or their contacts come up with bad information. Or maybe not bad information, but information the is planted to create a stir. I guess my point is that, Who are we to bash someone until we know the facts behind what they say. You know that old saying, "try walking a mile is their shoes". Why spending so much time reading someones posts that you hate and then you come here and slam them? Are we better than Okie when we spread rumors such as him being in jail? So, destroying a persons character because we don't like what they post? This just seems malicious and a worse act than what guru's like Okie do. Just my two cents.

We all know this, we just don't say it.... You must be really new.

Here's my list: 1. The dinar stayed at 1170 to 1 for 2 yrs & 2 mos I've been in it. 2. Grasping Iraq's news is like grasping sand running through your fingers. 3. The gurus need to be rounded up post rv and keel-hauled. 4. Never play possum with possum! 5. Expect the unexpected/Have a plan, plan to act (thanks Phoenix) 6. Patience. 7. DV folks are too coo!!! 8. I've got to party after this is done :lol Last one: Smile, you're on candid camera!! (C'mon, I'm trying... )

Iraqworking to reduce the mass of cash through the deletion of zeros 16/11/2011 14:31 Baghdad, November 16 (Rn) - The Central Bank of Iraq onWednesday that seeks to reduce the monetary mass of 25 trillion dinars to 15billion dinars over the deletion of zeros to facilitate cash transactions in thefinancial markets and banks. The appearance in favor of Bank vice-president, told theKurdish news agency (Rn) that "Iraq today is dealing lump cash of $ 25trillion Iraqi dinars, while the largest currency which does not exceed 25thousand Iraqi dinars, and the purchasing power it does not exceed $ 23." He pointed out that "in cash transactions in the Iraqimarket needs a large amount of banknotes and thus there is a difficulty in thetransfer of funds in the form of bags in case of large transactions." Saleh pointed out that "the Iraqi banks do not acceptdeposits, sometimes due to problems in number and the account for such largeamounts of money." The vice president of the bank "We want to usurped themoney supply of 25 trillion to 15 billion dinars," adding that "thecentral bank fixes the payments system in Iraq and the policy of the monetaryauthority." He stressed, saying "monetary mass will be reducedsoon, through the issuance of new currency by three zeros are canceled." Salih stressed that "this action is an important partof the reform process will facilitate the management of currency and paymentsystem and the elimination of the vestiges of past inflation through the massof strong cash handling and easy." http://www.aknews.com/ar/aknews/2/272826/

I'd Love To Change The World..........Ten Years After

correct me if im wrong but my math puts that at a 1.66 RV.... bring it! But then again i did pretty bad at math in school! haha Someone help me out actually i tried again.... I think its .60

Maybe if everyone stopped giving these idiots the attention they crave they would get bored & go home .... Everyone is entitled to their opinion, free speach and all that.. If you really believe in something or someone then other peoples opinions should not bother you. just saying... GO RV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am so excited about this investment that I cry at times just thinking of the lives that I want to help and change. I owe all my blessings to God and him alone. I just pray that he guides me to do his will with this investment. I really enjoy reading the post of other Christians. I can't wait to meet you folks. My 71 yr old father had a dream the other night about building a sanctuary for folks to just go and worship God. This in itself is amazing becaused my father got fed-up / burned by "church" in the early seventies and has not gone back. I was heavily involved in church sixteen of the last eighteen years ( I got burned and ripped off by a pastor that I thought was my friend), I have just started going back to another church. I can tell you I have missed serving God. May GOD Bless EVERYONE of you in some way today. Mitch

I think I kind of like this article. I mean even though it's saying not in 2011 it talks about the rise of the dinar against the dollar and being internationally recognized. Also I think that it could be miss direction to ward off speculation once again, and then again he could just be giving his opinion on the matter. I just like that they are talking about it openly.

You wouldn't happen to be a communist weather man would you? As in, "Rudolph, the red, knows rain, dear!"

Sheriff Threatens Feds With SWAT Team As more people became dissatisfied with federal government controls and land grabs, it was inevitable that local law enforcement would eventually see the bigger picture. At the northern California fairgrounds of Yreka last month, seven California sheriffs and another from Oregon gathered with a large group of citizens to say that they are finally going to do something about it. “A giant has been awakened,” said Plumas County, Calif. Sheriff Greg Hagwood, “and they didn’t count on that,” speaking of the federal bureaucracy. With exposure of the Emergency Management Center in San Luis Obispo a few decades ago, California began to offer the rest of the nation some evidence of the psychological conditioning aimed from the federal level at state, county and city law enforcement. Nevada Sheriff Tony DeMeo Stops Federal Government: Feds Engaging In Illegal Confiscation Of Cattle And Water Rights Of County Property Owner. Oregon Sheriff Gil Gilbertson Gives Federal Agents The Boot: Feds Have No Jurisdiction! Dean Wilson, sheriff of Del Norte County (Sacramento), is a great example of this great awakening. He received the loudest and longest applause for his candor in confessing past faults after apologizing for not understanding the central government assault and land grab being committed against the people and what he should have been doing about it. Only in the past year has he done a turnaround and begun to behave as a county sheriff instead of an extension of federal law enforcement. Obama’s Federal Stooges Beginning To Understand The Power Of Sheriffs: Sheriff Warns Federal Agents They Will Be Arrested If They Interfere! Arizona Sheriff: ‘If Decapitating Police Officers Is Not Terrorism, What is?’: More Troops At Korean Border Than Deadly U.S. Mexican Border. “I had spent a good part of my life enforcing the penal code, but not understanding my oath of office,” he told the audience. “I was ignorant and naïve, but now I know of the assault against our people by the federal government.” Read more...

So this is how the Supreme Court works these days! Can they at least try to be impartial to the case??? Hours after agreeing to hear the case regarding the Affordable Care Act, two Supreme Court Justices are caught being honored at a FUNDRAISING dinner for the Federalist Society, a conservative legal group. Seriously! :o :o And guess who was seated between the two justices at the dinner? Paul Clement, a lead attorney who will argue before the Supreme Court in March on behalf of 26 states that challenged the law. REALLY????? :blink: :blink: Does anyone see anything wrong with this??? http://www.truth-out.org/justices-scalia-thomas-honored-fundraiser-sponsored-health-care-reform-opponents/1321388558 Shockingly, the two that were at the dinner were Thomas and Scalia. Shocking!!!!!! I mean, Thomas' wife was paid to lobby against the bill, so I can see him being there. He's already in the bag for the opponents...... Of course, he won't recuse himself, that'll cost him and the wife a ton of money! http://newamericamedia.org/2011/02/clarence-thomas-health-care-reform-and-the-case-of-the-lobbyist-wife.php America's Three Branches of Government! The best leadership MONEY can buy!

Shoot, really? I'll look into it right now. Got em fixed The winning charities are: Operation Homefront, Pennys from Heaven foundation, Wounded Warrior Project, and the Salvation Army.

How's this for REALITY.........................-17

@DougsDinar: While I wish you the best with your "understanding" of economics, it is not correct. "Currency Value" and "Confidence in a currency" are synonyms in economic terms. It takes only the belief that a currency is worth something for it to be true. The USD is constantly printed from "thin air" for debts such as oil and international exchange. Our current economic system is based on the "potential of wealth" not the current understood backing of the monetary supply. If you want to better understand what you are talking about, go get yourself a copy of the UCC code, and research about corporations, and your "Straw Man" It'll blow your mind. Imagine that is the tip of the iceberg, and the government doesn't want you to be educated, so they do not teach the knowledge you need to understand how this can/will happen. As for the IQD, it could be worth $50USD as they have the resources to back it up, and the USD does not. The reason nobody questions the strength of the USD is the same reason nobody tells the schoolyard bully he's fat and can't read. Its not bright to paint a target on your head. If you wonder about that, research the "Golden Dinar" and just about anything the US Military does in the world. Everything is about confidence. If you think your sofa is worth $50, you can try and sell it for that much. If someone else agrees they will give the corresponding paper(s) to equal $50 and you both will be happy. If enough people agree something is worth a specified price, it just is. All money is as worthless as it is valuable. For instance, if your plane crashed in the Alps and you found yourself freezing to death, your hundred dollar bills are less valuable then a couple logs of firewood. In this way, people will believe what they want to believe. The world needs someone to get on TV and tell people they have a solution. Making a select few wealthy will restart the economies of the world, and return folks to jobs and steady pay checks. And trust me, enough men and women will be on board to justify the spontaneous existence of large sums of currency.

Indian Wanting Coffee: An Indian walks into a cafe with a shotgun in one hand and pulling a male buffalo with the other. He says to the waiter: "Want coffee." The waiter says, "Sure Chief. Coming right up." He gets the Indian a tall mug of coffee..... The Indian drinks the coffee down in one gulp, turns and blasts the buffalo with the shotgun, causing parts of the animal to splatter everywhere and then just walks out. The next morning the Indian returns. He has his shotgun in one hand, pulling another male buffalo with the other. He walks up to the counter and says to the waiter: "Want coffee." The waiter says, "Whoa, Tonto! We're still cleaning up your mess from yesterday. What was all that about, anyway?" The Indian smiles and proudly says, "Training for position in United States Congress. Come in, drink coffee, shoot the bull, leave mess for others to clean up. Disappear for rest of day." NOVEMBER 2012 VOTE WISELY!

How about spell check????? ....or did you mean to say prospective instead of perspective, as in another point of view? There is a thing called order. Right time and right place for everything. He certainly has the right to protest even if he is an idiot, just do it somewhere else. When you exercise your rights and in so doing, you violate my rights, then you are wrong!!!!!!!! Something alot of liberals fail to understand is that we all have the same rights. There right to protest doesn't trump my right to peace and order.

This is exactly what I have been arguing on here for the past couple of months. I have said his birth certificate or lack of one, does not matter. Obama's father was KENYAN! Obama is not eligible, he is a usurper, period! Thanks for posting rtrusty.

This is the Off Topic Forum. As long as people are respectful they can pretty much post what they want here. The difference between Obama bashing and posting something that appears to be truth can sometimes be slight. As long as the opinions on Obama that are expressed are respectful of the office of the Presidency itself I personally have no problem with them, BUT... PLEASE don't attack the person, and don't attack each other based on your like or dislike of the president. I understand emotions are strong when it comes to this president, and we want to allow as much freedom as possible here in the Off Topic Forum (as well as the rest of DV), just be respectful of each other and the Office of The Presidency. If you have a problem with political posts, stay clear of this forum please. If you can't stay away, then DO NOT CLICK on the post that may offend you to begin with. Thanks.... don't forget to vote next November.

Some people may not like the truth but most of us do.

Kap's Arabic Translator Looks at Kurdistan "Exchange Rate" Article 11/16/2011 I sent the following article to my Arabic translator friend for his comments pertaining the sentence "due to exchange rate increases this week." The article and comments are below. Kap -------------------- Internal Kurdistan Exchange announces pay rise for its members this week 14/11/2011 08:53 Erbil, November 14 (Rn) - The Military Adviser to the Ministry of the Interior Region of Kurdistan, the ministry's decision to exchange increase the salaries of its members this week, as The Minister of Finance Government of the Territory to the ministry waiting for internal referral lists the salaries of its members to exchange the planned increase for them. According to Bakhtiar Baban told the Kurdish news agency (Rn), that "the Ministry of Interior Government of the region referred the lists of salaries Mentsabha to the Finance Ministry to start regardless of the salaries of employees of the Internal Security Forces, with the increases prescribed to them," he said, adding that "due to exchange rate increases this week." For his part, Minister of Finance Government of the Territory Baez Talabani's (Rn), that "his ministry had not yet received from the Ministry of the Interior lists salaries Mentsabha," asserting that "his ministry would seek to pay the salaries of employees of the Internal Security Forces, with the increases prescribed to them immediately upon receipt of such lists." The Iraqi Council of Representatives had voted early in July last, unanimously adopted a draft law on internal security forces, after the amendment to paragraph 89 thereof, which prohibits issue any instructions to force elements of the internal security forces to exercise acts contrary to Islamic law to be amended in accordance with Article II of the Iraqi Constitution, the law also provides for the payment of salaries increases the forces of internal retroactively from the date of the first of January (January) last year. According to the law of pensions, will increase the salaries of the internal forces in Iraq, including Kurdistan retroactively as of 1/1/2011. According to the list prepared by the Ministry of the Interior Kurdistan Regional Government salaries of its members, the increases are mandated to be as follows: (1,000,175 thousand Iraqi dinars for the officers, even generals and 1,000,083 thousand dinars for the officers even Dean and 920 thousand dinars for the officers a degree of colonel and 865 A of the officers even submitted and 795 A of the officers even lead and 777 thousand dinars for the officers degree captain and 765 A for the associate degree lieutenant and 733 thousand degrees lieutenant and 690 A for a member of the first and 670 A for a member of the second and 650 thousand dinars a member of the third and 620 thousand for the fourth and 610 thousand for the fifth and 590 A for the sixth and 570 thousand dinars to seventh and 550 A for the eighth). From: Hassan Repin, see: Aso Haji http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http://www.aknews.com/ar/&act=url --------------------------- Arabic translator comments.. Read this article and it seems to me that they are just talking about raising the salaries of the secuirty forces and nothing to do really with an RV, etc. I think the translation is worded in an inverted mannner and that the exchange rate statement is not really exchange rate in the sense that we are thinking of (RV related, etc). If they were talking about an RV/RI change, then the salaries would be signficantly smaller numbers than what they were talking about in the articles.

When will it happen? Now would be a good time....tomorrow is just as good also.

Excellent link! There's all sorts of information in there. Thanks for posting this DM. I'm very surprised that the sheriffs in the article are from California and Oregon. Maybe Arizona's Joe Arpaio has woken up his collegues. We can only hope that a nationwide awakening occurs. It's time to stop the out-of-control fed. What are TSA agents doing on highways in TN? Someone needs to wake up the sheriffs in those counties so they stop the TSA's power grab.

I've learned if its too good to be true it probably is...

I actually trust Breitling. I've heard him tell a few people to stop investing because they couldn't handle it. That's not pusher talk.

Separation of Church and State is another thing that has been redefined by the liberal media for years now. The original definition of the Separation of Church and State is actually limited to: the government not being allowed to mandate any national religion, and the participation of an individual in government office not being affected one way or another by his participation in his religion of choice. That's it. I look forward to having enough money to do my part in taking care of social issues on a community-based level, and getting the government out of social issues, where they don't belong. I am a pretty strong conservative, and I agree with you about federal funding not going to public services where religious participation is mandated. More because I don't want any other religious group or sect getting money for such services if they require religious attendance and education than anything else. But then I don't think that social services should be managed by the government at all. I'd much rather have social services entirely eliminated from the tax base, and those monies entirely managed by non profits, who are notoriously better managers of funding than government bureaucracy. Let the people decide which services are needed and get paid for.

The only way Obama, the worst President in American history, can get re-elected, is if he steals the election or if the preponderance of ignorance in America is such, in which I think not. I look at the 2010 elections as the precursor of the 2012 elections and therefore he cannot win. "Our government is founded upon the intelligence of the people. I for one do not despair of the republic. I have great confidence in the virtue of the great majority of the people, and I cannot fear the result." -Andrew Jackson