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#81 andy3978

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 02:45 AM

Rand, I don't mean any disrespect to you at all but I need you to clarify

this for me please. In a previous post to me you gave information from the

IMF that no nation can RV except at the end of there fiscal quarters. The information

goes on to say that a country may re-dominate or re-instate a currency at any time

of the yr. So if this is the case then wouldn't your friend getting only a one to one

trade point to an RD and not an RI, as an RV at this time is not possible?

here is the info, with link , that you provided.....


the four quarters of the year q1,q2,q3 the forth is the start finish cycle thats for a Pegged currency




Currency Devaluation and RevaluationPrinter version
Under a fixed exchange rate system, devaluation and revaluation are official changes in the value of a country's currency relative to other currencies. Under a floating exchange rate system, market forces generate changes in the value of the currency, known as currency depreciation or appreciation.
In a fixed exchange rate system, both devaluation and revaluation can be conducted by policymakers, usually motivated by market pressures.
The charter of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) directs policymakers to avoid "manipulating exchange rates...to gain an unfair competitive advantage over other members."
At the Bretton Woods Conference in July 1944, international leaders sought to insure a stable post-war international economic environment by creating a fixed exchange rate system. The United States played a leading role in the new arrangement, with the value of other currencies fixed in relation to the dollar and the value of the dollar fixed in terms of gold—$35 an ounce. Following the Bretton Woods agreement, the United States authorities took actions to hold down the growth of foreign central bank dollar reserves to reduce the pressure for conversion of official dollar holdings into gold.

During the mid- to late-1960s, the United States experienced a period of rising inflation. Because currencies could not fluctuate to reflect the shift in relative macroeconomic conditions between the United States and other nations, the system of fixed exchange rates came under pressure.

In 1973, the United States officially ended its adherence to the gold standard. Many other industrialized nations also switched from a system of fixed exchange rates to a system of floating rates. Since 1973, exchange rates for most industrialized countries have floated, or fluctuated, according to the supply of and demand for different currencies in international markets. An increase in the value of a currency is known as appreciation, and a decrease as depreciation. Some countries and some groups of countries, however, continue to use fixed exchange rates to help to achieve economic goals, such as price stability.

Under a fixed exchange rate system, only a decision by a country's government or monetary authority can alter the official value of the currency. Governments do, occasionally, take such measures, often in response to unusual market pressures. Devaluation, the deliberate downward adjustment in the official exchange rate, reduces the currency's value; in contrast, a revaluation is an upward change in the currency's value.

For example, suppose a government has set 10 units of its currency equal to one dollar. To devalue, it might announce that from now on 20 of its currency units will be equal to one dollar. This would make its currency half as expensive to Americans, and the U.S. dollar twice as expensive in the devaluing country. To revalue, the government might change the rate from 10 units to one dollar to five units to one dollar; this would make the currency twice as expensive to Americans, and the dollar half as costly at home.

Under What Circumstances Might a Country Devalue?
When a government devalues its currency, it is often because the interaction of market forces and policy decisions has made the currency's fixed exchange rate untenable. In order to sustain a fixed exchange rate, a country must have sufficient foreign exchange reserves, often dollars, and be willing to spend them, to purchase all offers of its currency at the established exchange rate. When a country is unable or unwilling to do so, then it must devalue its currency to a level that it is able and willing to support with its foreign exchange reserves.

A key effect of devaluation is that it makes the domestic currency cheaper relative to other currencies. There are two implications of a devaluation. First, devaluation makes the country's exports relatively less expensive for foreigners. Second, the devaluation makes foreign products relatively more expensive for domestic consumers, thus discouraging imports. This may help to increase the country's exports and decrease imports, and may therefore help to reduce the current account deficit.

There are other policy issues that might lead a country to change its fixed exchange rate. For example, rather than implementing unpopular fiscal spending policies, a government might try to use devaluation to boost aggregate demand in the economy in an effort to fight unemployment. Revaluation, which makes a currency more expensive, might be undertaken in an effort to reduce a current account surplus, where exports exceed imports, or to attempt to contain inflationary pressures.

Effects of Devaluation
A significant danger is that by increasing the price of imports and stimulating greater demand for domestic products, devaluation can aggravate inflation. If this happens, the government may have to raise interest rates to control inflation, but at the cost of slower economic growth.

Another risk of devaluation is psychological. To the extent that devaluation is viewed as a sign of economic weakness, the creditworthiness of the nation may be jeopardized. Thus, devaluation may dampen investor confidence in the country's economy and hurt the country's ability to secure foreign investment.

Another possible consequence is a round of successive devaluations. For instance, trading partners may become concerned that a devaluation might negatively affect their own export industries. Neighboring countries might devalue their own currencies to offset the effects of their trading partner's devaluation. Such "beggar thy neighbor" policies tend to exacerbate economic difficulties by creating instability in broader financial markets.

Since the 1930s, various international organizations such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) have been established to help nations coordinate their trade and foreign exchange policies and thereby avoid successive rounds of devaluation and retaliation. The 1976 revision of Article IV of the IMF charter encourages policymakers to avoid "manipulating exchange rates...to gain an unfair competitive advantage over other members." With this revision, the IMF also set forth each member nation's right to freely choose an exchange rate system

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Seems like you're saying that if what Rand says is accurate then Iraq commenced an in-country RV. That said, CBI.iq would be where Iraqis would get their exchange rate info from (assuming they are internet capable and savvy). The CBI has not yet changed the rate (although they have updated for Jan. 4th). We look at it as though CBI.iq is OUR tool, however it is actually an instrument for Iraqis to get their info from.
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#82 randalln

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 02:51 AM

see im not just red bull and (what ever is left at the bar) hahahahahahahaah :lol:
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 02:51 AM

Hey Pals - I put in an "Urgent Bark" in (emails) to get my M/E crew moving on additional validation first thing when they lift their tender eyelids later this morning. We've got a few "heavies" with connections no man in their right mind should have... LOL. I'll post what I get when it comes in later...
Greg

PS - Hey Adam - Time to Make the Donuts!!! :lol:

Edited by wavggg, 04 January 2012 - 02:55 AM.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 02:56 AM

Hey Pals - I put in an "Urgent Bark" in (emails) to get my M/E crew moving on additional validation first thing when they lift their tender eyelids later this morning. We've got a few "heavies" with connections no man in their right mind should have... LOL. I'll post waht Iget when it comes in later...
Greg

I knew sombody would step up ....they said that Yall have no clue I dont believe it ............


Please dew your dew diligence ( dont miss out for your own arrogance)
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:02 AM

I knew sombody would step up ....they said that Yall have no clue I dont believe it ............

U BETCHA PAL!

Please dew your dew diligence ( dont miss out for your own arrogance)


Not me - Humble Pie with Ice Cream! :lol:

DAMN! My stupid Virus Scanners :blink: just kicked in to slow myazz down - Must be 3AM! B) Time for Sunglasses!
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:08 AM

On a different note .... as some of you mite know i had some issues ( on the first MAN check i ever had )


I waited till 41 to go


Dont put it off (from afresh experience )

it only is imbericing if you let a man do the deed (lady Dr are the S#!T)no pun intended


IT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE (no S#!T) pun intended

Edited by randalln, 04 January 2012 - 03:11 AM.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:18 AM

AHA they got you too

In the first printing they only used the Da la ru in what country ????????


if you dont know its ok ......all of those that you gave with the exception of Kenya have been used to print the replacements

Over the years .......but not the first printing that would have been a breach of security ...... they knew they where going in .....way befor the world knew


Sorry, but I believe that Brigadier General Hugh Tant (retired) that was in charge of the operation of the currency exchange in Iraq knew the logistics of where the currency was printed and how it made its way to Iraq. Below is an excerpt of an interview with him in October 2004:

Q: When you were carrying out the operation, what was the logistics train? First, you
had to work with the Iraqis to figure out what the currency would look like and how many
denominations were going to be printed. Then you had to find the printing company.
After that, how did you get all the new currency into your hands? Did the printers set up
shop in Iraq, or did you have to import the notes from their printing operations were?

TANT: Good questions. All of the currency was produced outside of Iraq, in Kenya, Sri
Lanka, Malta, Germany, Great Britain, and Spain.
These various printers produced the
currency under the auspices of De La Rue. They were provided plates and a mission to
perform a certain portion of the currency.
All of the currency was then taken into
England and flown into Baghdad from Manston.

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You do realize that De La Rue doesn't just print currency in Britain, right? You can look at their page HERE and navigate through the different regions and see that they have printing locations all over the world. Not all of their global locations are printing locations, but there are quite a few of them. So it would not have been any breach of security to print at all the various locations mentioned above, as it is their own facilities.

If the notes that we hold now were printed long before we invaded Iraq, why was the CPA printing banknotes with Saddam on them?

US prints Saddam banknotes

The US authorities in Iraq are printing millions of banknotes with the face of Saddam Hussein on them - in defiance of their own ban on the former leader's image.

Officials say they have been forced to begin printing 250 dinar notes - which carry a picture of a young Saddam in jacket and tie - in an effort to stem a growing cash crisis.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2979906.stm
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:21 AM

On a different note .... as some of you mite know i had some issues ( on the first MAN check i ever had )


I waited till 41 to go


Dont put it off (from afresh experience )

it only is imbericing if you let a man do the deed (lady Dr are the S#!T)no pun intended


IT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE (no S#!T) pun intended


I just got my first one as well.......... came out REAL good in every aspect. Was real weird with man doin it though. The results were good which was all I was hopin' fer:)
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:32 AM

On a different note .... as some of you mite know i had some issues ( on the first MAN check i ever had )


I waited till 41 to go


Dont put it off (from afresh experience )

it only is imbericing if you let a man do the deed (lady Dr are the S#!T)no pun intended


IT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE (no S#!T) pun intended


YOU CRACK ME UP!

I'm 53 On my last "MAN CHECK" I was introduced by my Man Doc to this hottie blonde lady as his "intern/student" who would be performing the deed.... Well, my happy face went south pretty quick - (kinda like why you don't want a virgin at any task) What should have taken 30 seconds took 5 MINUTES - as he coached her on what to poke and feel for!!!!! (She even had to go back for a K-Y refil!)
Needless to say, a fast Man is better than a slow-hand Lady doc when it comes to that special exam...

But like Randall said - GET 'ER DONE!

Edited by wavggg, 04 January 2012 - 03:33 AM.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:40 AM

Sorry, but I believe that Brigadier General Hugh Tant (retired) that was in charge of the operation of the currency exchange in Iraq knew the logistics of where the currency was printed and how it made its way to Iraq. Below is an excerpt of an interview with him in October 2004:

Q: When you were carrying out the operation, what was the logistics train? First, you
had to work with the Iraqis to figure out what the currency would look like and how many
denominations were going to be printed. Then you had to find the printing company.
After that, how did you get all the new currency into your hands? Did the printers set up
shop in Iraq, or did you have to import the notes from their printing operations were?

TANT: Good questions. All of the currency was produced outside of Iraq, in Kenya, Sri
Lanka, Malta, Germany, Great Britain, and Spain.
These various printers produced the
currency under the auspices of De La Rue. They were provided plates and a mission to
perform a certain portion of the currency.
All of the currency was then taken into
England and flown into Baghdad from Manston.

LINK

You do realize that De La Rue doesn't just print currency in Britain, right? You can look at their page HERE and navigate through the different regions and see that they have printing locations all over the world. Not all of their global locations are printing locations, but there are quite a few of them. So it would not have been any breach of security to print at all the various locations mentioned above, as it is their own facilities.

If the notes that we hold now were printed long before we invaded Iraq, why was the CPA printing banknotes with Saddam on them?

US prints Saddam banknotes

The US authorities in Iraq are printing millions of banknotes with the face of Saddam Hussein on them - in defiance of their own ban on the former leader's image.

Officials say they have been forced to begin printing 250 dinar notes - which carry a picture of a young Saddam in jacket and tie - in an effort to stem a growing cash crisis.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2979906.stm


I wont argue semantics (over a 1 star ) but i asher you the histiory has been tainted

If it ever got out what went down there would be hell to pay


take it for what its worth

The end justifies the means
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:47 AM

Please pass this DV link - request around -thanks!
WARKA RATE CHANGE TEST
http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/98301-warka-rate-change-test/


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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:47 AM

YOU CRACK ME UP!

I'm 53 On my last "MAN CHECK" I was introduced by my Man Doc to this hottie blonde lady as his "intern/student" who would be performing the deed.... Well, my happy face went south pretty quick - (kinda like why you don't want a virgin at any task) What should have taken 30 seconds took 5 MINUTES - as he coached her on what to poke and feel for!!!!! (She even had to go back for a K-Y refil!)
Needless to say, a fast Man is better than a slow-hand Lady doc when it comes to that special exam...

But like Randall said - GET 'ER DONE!

I just thought i would throw that out there to help exspain why there are so (good hearted MODS ) on this site that get my back


Granny i love ya I know we did not get offf to a good start but we are finishing with great repour .....and thats all that matters
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 06:01 AM

Randalln.. I have been following your recent posts, of course, like everyone else :) and I have just one question.. do YOU believe we will be able to cash out in OUR country here in America? My husband and I don't travel (yet) and have never even flown (again YET).. have no passports (so aren't into the warka/isx stuff) or people we know who could cash us out over there.. so the writin is on the wall for us if it only rv's in their country.. just askin.. and watchin.. and readin.. and waitin.. and hopin.. and dreamin... ya'all get it..
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 06:24 AM

NOT for me!!


If it RV during the night I can't go to the bank to cash out anyways so I might as well get my sleep and be ready for the next day when the banks are open!!Posted Image


Spoken with the voice of reason, but not necessarily the quiet one. haha Good work yesterday, Bumper. Thanks much.
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 06:43 AM

i dont understand your q?

but here is a shot

a country can revalu any time within there borders but need the aproval of the IMF per quarter for world wide exchange

excuse my spell check Ita a i-pad with a voice translator

so in theory anybody can make there money worth what they want (but they need aproval for world trade )

And that is only given 4 times a year ( with 9 special addmendments for regulation
) thats from the bylaws of the IMF directly

Read more: http://dinarvets.com...0#ixzz1iUPhNl8n


So what your implying is that Iraq has received IMF approval for an RV under the, special amendments,

Then tell me how come the change from this earlier statement by you....?



there is only 4 times a year that a pegged country can RV

but a RI can happen any time

Read more: http://dinarvets.com.../#ixzz1iUSHtIbi


Again, I'm not bashing just trying to understand your logic.


Iraq dose not need the IMF to approve there reinstatement that was given by the UN ...(after the sanctions where lifted)

Only if they want to petition for some off the wall amount (do they require the IMF aproval )

As it stands they have the ability to come back in at over 1dollar (if they want)


And that's not my logic that's the facts

This could have been implemented way before now and if Some people would tell the truth ........everybody would know this

But if you don't believe me read all the bylaws and then the UN charter ,,,,and cross that with the revocation of the presidential order set down by bush listed in the UST web site .......then go to CIA world fact book .......and match the # 's of the sanctions that have been lifted ....


Sounds like a lot but it's not that hard to prove

They just make it seem that way
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 06:48 AM

I might pass on the Vodka and RedBull but I will be first in line for either a Crown and coke or a Captain Morgan and coke!!

As for the RV party, I will not only need a designated driver I will most likely need a body guard and a bullet proof jacket before I can come into the room!! Posted ImagePosted Image


No worries bout that... we will probably have to reserve a room of our own anyway! Posted Image

Come on boyz...gitter dun!!!Posted Image We got a party to attend!!!Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

GO RV Already Baby!!!Posted Image
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 06:59 AM

It's all good. I caught my two steelhead (the limit) today. One 16 lbs and one 14 lbs, had a blast. :) Glad I didn't stay home.


Congrats!! Sounds like we all had a good day. Not heading to the bank yet, but I think it's as close as possible without being right in our laps. . . . yet. :D

Randalln ... in my time here on the forum there are those members who have come to mean something special to me ... by special I mean they are respectful of others, they are truthworthy, helpful, contribute when they can ... all the things a good "member"or a group should be.

YOU are an example of THAT person ...

So, no apologies, no backtredding, no bending over to kiss someone's boot ... you have given us what you believe to be truth and that is good enough for me. Even if it turns out your friend is having a major joke at your expense, I still have faith in you.

You are a great example of what we need on this forum. Thanks for being here.

:)

smee2



Very well said, Smee2. I'm with you on this one. :)
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 07:14 AM

:twocents:....
Considering I have "lurked" on this site and many others to learn from others what their opinions are for over a year, and referred to as a " VIP+ Newbie" on Dinar vets, I am thankful you shared with us (me :hug:) what your friend shared with you. I feel so strongly that what you shared and believed to be true is an important contribution on our journey to financial liberation, I felt compelled to attempt my first post......I do not care if I have numorous "negs" in reaction to my opinion. Even if I did, I do not believe I shall be lurking on this site or any other for very much longer ......other than to check up on how others are doing as prayers are answered and abundance is distributed ..... :tiphat:

I am also thankful that Adam has provided a format for us to share this type of information, and that is why I always check the posted rumors after checking the VIP area for reported news. "Rumors " gives me, and as I can tell many others, reassurance that I am not alone in feeling anxious, confused, and just a bit reactionary about our risky investment. I know that everything I read on all of the sites is hearsay, especially the rumor sections, but when all of the rumors and information have similar information, I feel like I can trust there is a nugget of truth to what I have read. Therfore, I can joyfully pour a glass of wine and virtually share the commonality and a toast with other Dinarians the Red Bull Vodkas and beers. Most importantly though this site, share laughter, tears and cheers with my Dinarian "family". (my biological family think I have lost my mind when I try to discuss my investment).

Alas, as in any large family, you are bound to have your percentage of the " Neg relative". ((((You know the type, they get an emotional charge out of telling you that the ten pounds you put on this year is really showing))))....

So, when they get irrate and slam others for sharing joyful RV rumor information, (not pumping their personal pockets drival), but from your friend, they are operating as "Emotional Vampires". This type of person is to be pitied, for they will never find happiness on the trail they choose to take. They feed off of making others feel bad, therefore boosting their own low self esteem. This type of person will always search for the negative in any situation and find an ego boost by sharing how smart they feel by pointing it out. The more of an audience they have, the more they feel powerful and right.

It is very sad that our current culture is feasting on a steady diet of this type of behavior via multiple types of media outlets. The excessive amount of attention payed to those that behave poorly and that create havoc on reality programs, "gossip" shows/publications and slamming others publicly is creating a distorted reality of what is important . Multiple generations now consider this type of warped behavior normal, and care more about fb/ tweet than having an intimate relationships. I am sure the boards will be full of their emotional sucking sounds as they complain about this or that all the while collecting more money than we could have ever dreamed of having with so little invested.


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Posted 04 January 2012 - 07:23 AM

Oh great ... now I have to follow my unequivocal vote of confidence with a question ... oh well ...

I was just ditting here reading the thread and getting more and more confused when something hit me. The "friend" bought a hot do (hot dog in a muslim country? must be all beef) usind a 5 dinar bill or coin. There has not been a 5 dinar bill since something like 1929 or so, and even though the last coins in that denomination may have been stamped in the 1980s they were discontinued in the 1990s.

Did the friend get a coin, an old coin? Or a new coin? No information about new coins recently. Did the friend get a 5 dinar bill? That would be a collector's item, not currency.

Just curious. I know Randalln isn't going to go call the friend again and ask, but when next you talk to him? Maybe?

By the way ... this has been fun ...

:)

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 07:29 AM

I'm staying up all night & will be monitoring CBI, FOREX in HK, Singapore NZ & Australia. Who else is staying up all night?

Gotta go. I have a resignation letter to write to my boss.
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