DEBUNKING FEMA DEATH CAMPS

[JAT1980]

I'm sorry, I know most of you will only believe it if it's from some hillbilly that figured out how to make a youtube video or from some unknown person on a conspiracy blog but Popular Mechanics works for me.

Here is the link: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850

The Evidence: Debunking FEMA Camp Myths

Earlier this week, PM editor-in-chief James Meigs appeared on Glenn Beck's FOX news program twice to debunk conspiracy theories regarding supposed "concentration camps" being built by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. You can read transcripts from those appearances here and here. But PM's research went beyond what could fit in the short segments. Below are more details regarding some of the most prevalent claims, and facts, uncovered through PM's independent investigation.

By The Editors

This photo of a supposed FEMA concentration camp in Wyoming is actually a satellite image of a North Korean Forced Labor Camp.

1. North Korea/Wyoming detention center

CLAIM: "There is a minimum of one confirmed concentration camp built on American soil in rural Wyoming. " The (Department of Homeland Security) accidentally placed these photos on a publicly accessible portion of their website " (but) they were pulled within one hour. " The images are not gone forever though."

FACT: These actually are legitimate images of "forced-labor colonies, camps, and prisons"--in North Korea. The images were taken from "The Hidden Gulag: Exposing North Korea's Prison Camps," a report prepared by the Washington D.C.-based Committee for Human Rights in North Korea.

Then someone manipulated the headers, photo dates and annotations. The original five images, showing a dorm for prisoners, forced-labor shops and guard towers, are here. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) "When we first got the photos, we had no idea they were prison camps," said Matthew McKinzie, one of the men responsible for collecting the imagery. "The North Korean gulags are work gulags; the prisoners are forced to work and live in what look like North Korean villages. It wasn't until we began interviewing former prisoners that we knew what we were looking at." In the fakes, original maps and geographic coordinates have been covered by poorly pasted DHS logos. The whole thing may have been a hoax--the name of the made-up facility, "Swift Luck Greens," is an anagram for "Left Wing Suckers"--but it's evidence that once things get passed around the Internet, they can lose context and the wildest theory wins.

2. Camp Grayling National Guard training center

CLAIM: "More (evidence of) Concentration Camps in America for Americans. Yes, they are real. More (photographic) proof " read it and weep, it's coming!"

FACT: Camp Grayling, located in northern central Michigan, is the largest National Guard training center in the U.S. The National Guard, active and reserve components of the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard all train there, practicing everything from helicopter gunnery to processing and care for prisoners of war. "The 'camps' you are referring to are used by our military police for training," said Maj. Dawn Dancer, a public information officer for the Michigan National Guard. "In fact, one of our MP units just returned from a 12-month deployment where they oversaw the operations of a POW facility in Iraq. We are fortunate to have such a great training facility here." This is also evidence of the life span of these theories: Far from being new, or even inspired by post-9/11 government buildup, Dancer first began responding to these photos in 1999. "I cannot believe this rumor about Camp Grayling is still alive," she said.

3. Beech Grove Amtrak facility

CLAIMS:

A) "The Amtrak Railcar Repair Facility at Beech Grove, Ind., contains high security NSA-style people turnstiles, and high intensity/security lighting for 24-hour operation. These buildings have been sealed airtight and constructed to allow gas to be blown into all the buildings via the newly installed, two-story, hot air heating furnaces. [T]he (jobs) of Americans who were laid off there will be filled with foreigners, who will have no qualms about gassing Americans in the newly renovated gas chambers, in the Dachau and Auschwitz of America."

-2:03-2:15 / 2:30-2:50: "This small building is the only way into a particular fenced area. Inside this building, we see more of the motion-activated detectors, electronic turnstiles, and prison bars. " All of the renovations to this property have involved putting in new fencing, electronic turnstiles, concrete flooring in unused warehouse buildings, and putting in large gas furnaces in buildings that were never heated anytime in the past 20 years."

-4:10-4:40: "In yet another fenced area, we see a large warehouse building at the end with the electronic turnstiles in front of it. The building is one that has a new concrete floor--and its doors and windows have all been blocked. Outside there are new gas pipes."

-4:57-5:17: "The gas lines and gas pipes at the facility run the length of the buildings--and come out at some very, very large brand-new furnaces that have been installed at the buildings throughout the facility."

FACTS:

A) This footage, which appears in multiple videos on YouTube, is from a "documentary" filmed 15 years ago--yet today, it's been viewed nearly 1.5 million times online. The woman who made the video, Linda Thompson, was one of the pioneers of the militia movement in the United States--except that she was so extreme, the Southern Poverty Law Center says she embarrassed even her fellow milita members. (Most famously, she called for an armed march on Washington, D.C., to "take U.S. senators and congressmen into custody, hold them for trial, and, if necessary, execute them."). Far from a death camp, Beech Grove is the primary maintenance facility for Amtrak's long-distance trains, overhauling and repairing approximately 700 passenger cars a year. Company officials, who've heard these theories for years, welcomed our film crew, and John Grey, the superintendent of the facility, showed us anything we wanted to see.

The turnstiles and "prison bars": According to Grey, that system was the company's initial attempt at an electronic system to log in and out its 500 employees. They're similar to a pair of subway turnstiles. As the technology evolved, so too did the Amtrak infrastructure: There are no more bars to funnel employees through one set of gates; now there are electronic kiosks across the property where workers can clock in and out. "That system was short-lived," Grey says. "Now there are kiosks everywhere."

-The "large warehouse" with windows and doors that are blocked: When the original footage was filmed, the "Coach 3" building, one of three original repair facilities on the property, was in the process of being emptied and consolidated into the other two massive warehouses on the property. That's why it was boarded up. The building was demolished about seven years ago.

-New gas pipes and furnaces: In 1993, the existing centralized power plant for steam heat was deemed too expensive and inefficient. That year, the company upgraded to localized forced-air gas heaters. (Hence the "new gas pipes" seen in 1994.) "The volume of gas use went up, so we rerouted the gas line from a front entrance to the back entrance," Grey said, "just like you would at your house."

4. Hundreds of thousands of plastic coffins

CLAIM: "500,000 plastic air-tight coffins in the middle of Atlanta Georgia. Apparently the Government is expecting a Half Million people to die relatively soon, and the Atlanta Airport is a major airline traffic hub, probably the biggest in the country, which means Georgia is a prime base to conduct military operations and coordination. It is also the home of the CDC, the Center for Disease Control. I don't want to alarm anyone, but usually you don't buy 500,000 plastic coffins 'just in case something happens,' you buy them because you know something is going to happen. These air tight seal containers would be perfect to bury victims of plague or biological warfare in, wouldn't they?"

FACT: The black polypropylene products purported to be coffins are grave liners, or burial vaults, manufactured by Convington, Ga.-based Vantage Products. (In this case, they are examples of the company's Standard Air Seal model.) The use of a burial vault, which prevents the collapse of cemetery ground and protects the casket, is a common requirement when a body is interred.

The filmed lot in Madison, Ga., is a Vantage storage facility. Of the 900,000 or so in-ground burials in the U.S. each year, a small percentage of those people prearranged their own caskets and vaults--which Vanguard holds at the storage facility until the appropriate time. According to company Vice President of Operations Michael Lacey, there are approximately 50,000 vaults in storage in Madison. "It's nowhere near the quantity they talk about on the Internet," he told the local Morgan County Citizen newspaper. Furthermore, Lacey has said the company maintains detailed records of product ownership and is audited annually, to insure all vaults are accounted for.

5. Executive orders

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FEMA Memo

CLAIM: "FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation." (The site then lists 14 executive orders as examples.)

FACTS: In 1962, while juggling conflicts in Cuba and Vietnam, and the potential for nuclear war with the Soviets, President John F. Kennedy signed a series of executive orders that outlined the basic framework for agency responsibilities during a national emergency. Most of those have since been revoked, or rolled into a single, more comprehensive executive order signed by President Reagan. Safeguards were written into the current framework of responsibilities, declaring that any emergency preparation or actions "shall be consistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States."

According to Bruce Ackerman, Sterling Professor of Law and Political Science at Yale Law School, "The question of whether executive power could be abused so as to act inconsistently with the law has been a central constitutional concern for years. But the question in this case is whether it's right to look at 47-year-old executive orders without studying what came after them. And the answer there is obviously no."

The idea of the government seizing all the nation's farmland or forcing Americans into labor camps is without basis--except in Hollywood. In the first X-Files movie, the character Dr. Alvin Kurtzweil meets agent Mulder in a dark alley. "Are you familiar with what the Federal Emergency Management Agency's real power is?" Kurtzweil asks. "FEMA allows the White House to suspend Constitutional government on declaration of a national emergency. Think about that!"

Speculation about the agency was rampant after the film came out, leading a FEMA spokesman to tell The Washington Post in an article published on June 24, 1998: "You may emphatically state that FEMA does not have, never has had, nor will ever seek, the authority to suspend the Constitution." In fact, it led to an internal FEMA memo, reading: "While entertaining and somewhat humorous to the employees of FEMA, some moviegoers may not understand that they are watching a fictional portrayal of the agency. " Most people know us as the agency that responds to natural disasters, others believe we have a somewhat sinister role. For the latter, it is not realistic to think that we can convince them otherwise and it is advisable not to enter into debate on the subject."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850

[TPSprayduster]

Oh boy, i can't to hear the rebuttles, Jat it is going to be a firestorm i am sure they are researching and coming with some gold post moving issues.

[divemaster5734]

Your "debunk" source is exposed, just more propaganda.

Beck is nothing but a wind bag, spewing half truths, and trying to lead people down a wrong turn dead end.

Glenn Beck’s Lame Attempt to “Debunk” FEMA Camps

The Alex Jones Channel Alex Jones Show podcast Prison Planet TV Infowars.com Twitter Alex Jones' Facebook Infowars store

Kurt Nimmo

Infowars

Disinfo operative Glenn Beck’s shabby and comical attempt to “debunk” FEMA camps was theater of the absurd at its most revealing. Recall Beck a few weeks ago trying to bait us with a promise to investigate the camps. He came off as alarmed over the prospect of internment camps and this set the hook. Stay tuned, folks, he teased, we’ll get to the bottom of this.

Beck and Meigs Part 1

Glenn Beck, the seasoned operative, never intended a serious exposé. He planned to make those of us who know FEMA camps exist look like fools and churls. In order to do this he enlisted the retread James Meigs, editor-in-chief of the washed-up Hearst publication, Popular Mechanics. Back in 2005, Meigs spearheaded an effort to debunk the 9/11 truth movement with a Popular Mechanic cover story. Meigs and his crew of supposed debunkers approached the science of 9/11 very selectively and were more interested in ad hominem attacks leveled against researchers. Meigs concluded his diatribe by stating that “those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth — and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.”

Meigs turned his “fact checking” (through omission) into a book — Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts. It was published by Hearst, the media corporation famous for its association with the expression “yellow journalism.” Hearst told the illustrationist Frederic Remington during the Spanish-American War: “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” Nothing much as changed since 1895.

In the video here, Beck says Meigs heads up the “independent group” he assigned the task of debunking the conspiracy nuts who believe in the existence of FEMA camps. As evidence the nutters are way out in left field, Meigs dissects a widely discredited video of a Beech Grove, Indiana, Amtrak facility filmed by the Indianapolis attorney Linda Thompson.

Beck and Meigs Part 2

You may recall Thompson’s earlier video about the government siege and subsequent incineration of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. She made a series of absurd claims about the siege, for instance insisting the BATF and FBI used flame throwers mounted on tanks against the Davidians. It didn’t take long for Soldier of Fortune Magazine to discredit Thompson’s accusations. She mysteriously vanished into the ether after people began asking if she might be a government operative.

Meigs and Beck say nothing about this. “This footage, which appears in multiple videos on YouTube, is from a ‘documentary’ filmed 15 years ago,” explains Beck’s Fox News web page. “Yet today, it’s been viewed nearly 1.5 million times online. The woman who made the video, Linda Thompson, was one of the pioneers of the militia movement in the United States — except she was so extreme, she embarrassed even her fellow militants. Far from a death camp, Beech Grove is the primary maintenance facility for Amtrak’s long-distance trains, overhauling and repairing approximately 700 passenger cars a year. Company officials, who’ve heard these theories for years, welcomed our film crew, and the superintendent of the facility showed us anything we wanted to see.”

Beck does not bother to mention the fact serious FEMA camp researchers discarded the video years ago. Meigs and Beck are more interested in linking the video to Thompson and the “militia movement” (created as a scary bogeyman by the corporate media in the 1990s) and connecting that up with the ugly specter of the Timothy McVeigh — the same McVeigh photographed at Camp Grafton, North Dakota (the base specializes in demolitions training) in 1993, a mere 18 months before the Oklahoma City bombing. The FBI insisted he was not in the military at the time.

In the second installment of this “definitive debunking,” Beck and his sidekick Meigs show us a satellite photo of a real concentration camp the conspiracy theorists supposedly claim is a FEMA camp. As Alex Jones called it when the photo was used as a teaser at the close of the first installment the previous evening, the camp is located in North Korea (because only communists operate concentration camps, never mind the forcible relocation and internment of approximately 110,000 Japanese nationals and Japanese Americans by Roosevelt during World War 2, a criminal act lavishly defended by the neocon darling Michelle Malkin, a regular on Fox News)

Read more here

My link

[TPSprayduster]

Your "debunk" source is exposed, just more propaganda.

Beck is nothing but a wind bag, spewing half truths, and trying to lead people down a wrong turn dead end.

Glenn Beck’s Lame Attempt to “Debunk” FEMA Camps

The Alex Jones Channel Alex Jones Show podcast Prison Planet TV Infowars.com Twitter Alex Jones' Facebook Infowars store

Kurt Nimmo

Infowars

Disinfo operative Glenn Beck’s shabby and comical attempt to “debunk” FEMA camps was theater of the absurd at its most revealing. Recall Beck a few weeks ago trying to bait us with a promise to investigate the camps. He came off as alarmed over the prospect of internment camps and this set the hook. Stay tuned, folks, he teased, we’ll get to the bottom of this.

Beck and Meigs Part 1

Glenn Beck, the seasoned operative, never intended a serious exposé. He planned to make those of us who know FEMA camps exist look like fools and churls. In order to do this he enlisted the retread James Meigs, editor-in-chief of the washed-up Hearst publication, Popular Mechanics. Back in 2005, Meigs spearheaded an effort to debunk the 9/11 truth movement with a Popular Mechanic cover story. Meigs and his crew of supposed debunkers approached the science of 9/11 very selectively and were more interested in ad hominem attacks leveled against researchers. Meigs concluded his diatribe by stating that “those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth — and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.”

Meigs turned his “fact checking” (through omission) into a book — Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts. It was published by Hearst, the media corporation famous for its association with the expression “yellow journalism.” Hearst told the illustrationist Frederic Remington during the Spanish-American War: “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” Nothing much as changed since 1895.

In the video here, Beck says Meigs heads up the “independent group” he assigned the task of debunking the conspiracy nuts who believe in the existence of FEMA camps. As evidence the nutters are way out in left field, Meigs dissects a widely discredited video of a Beech Grove, Indiana, Amtrak facility filmed by the Indianapolis attorney Linda Thompson.

Beck and Meigs Part 2

You may recall Thompson’s earlier video about the government siege and subsequent incineration of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. She made a series of absurd claims about the siege, for instance insisting the BATF and FBI used flame throwers mounted on tanks against the Davidians. It didn’t take long for Soldier of Fortune Magazine to discredit Thompson’s accusations. She mysteriously vanished into the ether after people began asking if she might be a government operative.

Meigs and Beck say nothing about this. “This footage, which appears in multiple videos on YouTube, is from a ‘documentary’ filmed 15 years ago,” explains Beck’s Fox News web page. “Yet today, it’s been viewed nearly 1.5 million times online. The woman who made the video, Linda Thompson, was one of the pioneers of the militia movement in the United States — except she was so extreme, she embarrassed even her fellow militants. Far from a death camp, Beech Grove is the primary maintenance facility for Amtrak’s long-distance trains, overhauling and repairing approximately 700 passenger cars a year. Company officials, who’ve heard these theories for years, welcomed our film crew, and the superintendent of the facility showed us anything we wanted to see.”

Beck does not bother to mention the fact serious FEMA camp researchers discarded the video years ago. Meigs and Beck are more interested in linking the video to Thompson and the “militia movement” (created as a scary bogeyman by the corporate media in the 1990s) and connecting that up with the ugly specter of the Timothy McVeigh — the same McVeigh photographed at Camp Grafton, North Dakota (the base specializes in demolitions training) in 1993, a mere 18 months before the Oklahoma City bombing. The FBI insisted he was not in the military at the time.

In the second installment of this “definitive debunking,” Beck and his sidekick Meigs show us a satellite photo of a real concentration camp the conspiracy theorists supposedly claim is a FEMA camp. As Alex Jones called it when the photo was used as a teaser at the close of the first installment the previous evening, the camp is located in North Korea (because only communists operate concentration camps, never mind the forcible relocation and internment of approximately 110,000 Japanese nationals and Japanese Americans by Roosevelt during World War 2, a criminal act lavishly defended by the neocon darling Michelle Malkin, a regular on Fox News)

Read more here

My link

INFOWAR Vs Popular Mechanics. which one do you trust? Nothing about Popular mechanics only trashing Glenn Beck, noticed how Popular Mech was weeded out.

Edited December 19, 2011 by TPSprayduster

[Beux]

When it happens i,ll give 3 seconds and you,ll change your mind- Now if it isnt true what are doing in there?-here is a thot---maybe yall are right. But what if ya aint?

[Scrumdiddles]

I'm sorry, I know most of you will only believe it if it's from some hillbilly that figured out how to make a youtube video or from some unknown person on a conspiracy blog but Popular Mechanics works for me.

Here is the link: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850

The Evidence: Debunking FEMA Camp Myths

Earlier this week, PM editor-in-chief James Meigs appeared on Glenn Beck's FOX news program twice to debunk conspiracy theories regarding supposed "concentration camps" being built by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. You can read transcripts from those appearances here and here. But PM's research went beyond what could fit in the short segments. Below are more details regarding some of the most prevalent claims, and facts, uncovered through PM's independent investigation.

By The Editors

This photo of a supposed FEMA concentration camp in Wyoming is actually a satellite image of a North Korean Forced Labor Camp.

Oh Please.

[TPSprayduster]

Oh Please.

Oh please don't debunk of my far fetched stories?

[armondtoth]

Camp Grayling Michigan Really, comon you can do better than that. I know Grayling like the back of my hand. My God people get a life already.

[Scrumdiddles]

Just like what hitler set up, remember what the signs said at the entrance of the Death Camps. 'Work Sets You Free'

Keep believing what Fox news says. History repeats itself for the ones who dont know it. Learn your history.

Edited December 19, 2011 by Scrumdiddles

[TPSprayduster]

Just like what hitler set up, remember what the signs said at the entrance of the Death Camps. 'Work Sets You Free'

Keep believing what Fox news says. History repeats itself for the ones who dont know it. Learn your history.

As long as they don't find truth in the myths you are posting. All is well. History will not repeat it self too many checks and balance only thing that is true is the rich getting richer and the poor poorer that is the reality in this world.

[Beux]

Just like what hitler set up, remember what the signs said at the entrance of the Death Camps. 'Work Sets You Free'

Keep believing what Fox news says. History repeats itself for the ones who dont know it. Learn your history.

This true -History does repat itself-only with different names and people. You can play the same game over and over -Now if you just change 1 rule of the game it doesnt look the same and if you change 1 rule and rewrite it differently then you sell more games-But in reality the game is the sameand people will tell you its different-yes it is -1 rule has been changed but the premise is the same and then your trapped and that rule is crucial and that is the one you want changed but your stuck and now your in trouble what do you do? No-one will listen because everyone becomes sheeple- If you watch the wolf in the sheeps clothing you may make it out and then you can help others but until then -well you know- Like my cousin said in the V-Nam war- once you get 1 rifle youve almost even the odds. Just depends who has it- lolol- makes one wonder- Life aint whatit used to be - Peace

[MARINES65]

Your "debunk" source is exposed, just more propaganda.

Beck is nothing but a wind bag, spewing half truths, and trying to lead people down a wrong turn dead end.

Glenn Beck’s Lame Attempt to “Debunk” FEMA Camps

The Alex Jones Channel Alex Jones Show podcast Prison Planet TV Infowars.com Twitter Alex Jones' Facebook Infowars store

Kurt Nimmo

Infowars

Disinfo operative Glenn Beck’s shabby and comical attempt to “debunk” FEMA camps was theater of the absurd at its most revealing. Recall Beck a few weeks ago trying to bait us with a promise to investigate the camps. He came off as alarmed over the prospect of internment camps and this set the hook. Stay tuned, folks, he teased, we’ll get to the bottom of this.

Beck and Meigs Part 1

Glenn Beck, the seasoned operative, never intended a serious exposé. He planned to make those of us who know FEMA camps exist look like fools and churls. In order to do this he enlisted the retread James Meigs, editor-in-chief of the washed-up Hearst publication, Popular Mechanics. Back in 2005, Meigs spearheaded an effort to debunk the 9/11 truth movement with a Popular Mechanic cover story. Meigs and his crew of supposed debunkers approached the science of 9/11 very selectively and were more interested in ad hominem attacks leveled against researchers. Meigs concluded his diatribe by stating that “those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth — and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.”

Meigs turned his “fact checking” (through omission) into a book — Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts. It was published by Hearst, the media corporation famous for its association with the expression “yellow journalism.” Hearst told the illustrationist Frederic Remington during the Spanish-American War: “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” Nothing much as changed since 1895.

In the video here, Beck says Meigs heads up the “independent group” he assigned the task of debunking the conspiracy nuts who believe in the existence of FEMA camps. As evidence the nutters are way out in left field, Meigs dissects a widely discredited video of a Beech Grove, Indiana, Amtrak facility filmed by the Indianapolis attorney Linda Thompson.

Beck and Meigs Part 2

You may recall Thompson’s earlier video about the government siege and subsequent incineration of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. She made a series of absurd claims about the siege, for instance insisting the BATF and FBI used flame throwers mounted on tanks against the Davidians. It didn’t take long for Soldier of Fortune Magazine to discredit Thompson’s accusations. She mysteriously vanished into the ether after people began asking if she might be a government operative.

Meigs and Beck say nothing about this. “This footage, which appears in multiple videos on YouTube, is from a ‘documentary’ filmed 15 years ago,” explains Beck’s Fox News web page. “Yet today, it’s been viewed nearly 1.5 million times online. The woman who made the video, Linda Thompson, was one of the pioneers of the militia movement in the United States — except she was so extreme, she embarrassed even her fellow militants. Far from a death camp, Beech Grove is the primary maintenance facility for Amtrak’s long-distance trains, overhauling and repairing approximately 700 passenger cars a year. Company officials, who’ve heard these theories for years, welcomed our film crew, and the superintendent of the facility showed us anything we wanted to see.”

Beck does not bother to mention the fact serious FEMA camp researchers discarded the video years ago. Meigs and Beck are more interested in linking the video to Thompson and the “militia movement” (created as a scary bogeyman by the corporate media in the 1990s) and connecting that up with the ugly specter of the Timothy McVeigh — the same McVeigh photographed at Camp Grafton, North Dakota (the base specializes in demolitions training) in 1993, a mere 18 months before the Oklahoma City bombing. The FBI insisted he was not in the military at the time.

In the second installment of this “definitive debunking,” Beck and his sidekick Meigs show us a satellite photo of a real concentration camp the conspiracy theorists supposedly claim is a FEMA camp. As Alex Jones called it when the photo was used as a teaser at the close of the first installment the previous evening, the camp is located in North Korea (because only communists operate concentration camps, never mind the forcible relocation and internment of approximately 110,000 Japanese nationals and Japanese Americans by Roosevelt during World War 2, a criminal act lavishly defended by the neocon darling Michelle Malkin, a regular on Fox News)

Read more here

My link

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm#1#1

[Scrumdiddles]

As long as they don't find truth in the myths you are posting. All is well. History will not repeat it self too many checks and balance only thing that is true is the rich getting richer and the poor poorer that is the reality in this world.

Ok TPS, debate time for 5 days starting Dec 20 until Dec 25. I will start a new trend about Fema Camps. You come up with your view and I will come up with my view. All substantiated by articles and documents. Everyone else will weigh in on the strength of both of our cases, factual info and legitimate articles. You want to talk a bunch of crap now, back it up.

Do you accept the offer.

[TPSprayduster]

Ok TPS, debate time for 5 days starting Dec 20 until Dec 25. I will start a new trend about Fema Camps. You come up with your view and I will come up with my view. All substantiated by articles and documents. Everyone else will weigh in on the strength of both of our cases, factual info and legitimate articles. You want to talk a bunch of crap now, back it up.

Do you accept the offer.

heck no, because i do not have that many websites to debunk all of the BS that you will flood this website with all kinds of BS support these so call camps. You can't about sling a season crap slinger. Keep posting dude you are providing some good entertainment.

[Scrumdiddles]

heck no, because i do not have that many websites to debunk all of the BS that you will flood this website with all kinds of BS support these so call camps. You can't about sling a season crap slinger. Keep posting dude you are providing some good entertainment.

ah so you dont have proof, also scared, just want to heckle from the background, dont want to put your a** on the line. If you are scared, you can get in my pocket. :lol:

[mogirl463]

ah so you dont have proof, also scared, just want to heckle from the background, dont want to put your a** on the line. If you are scared, you can get in my pocket. :lol:

Scrum...some people will just never get it because they don't want to get it due to the fear it causes them....but as for me, if you have room, I would like to get in your pocket or at least stand with you...my family included. I see what's up and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to do so....and quite frankly, I am scared but prepared. Keep on posting what you do....after all, that is one of the rights we do still have according to our Constitution.

Come on RV!!!

[TPSprayduster]

What a simpleton

exactly KISS (Keep it simple Stupid)

Call me whatever but hey i am not heckler, just don't believe the BS is posted that all.

[InNoViSiOn]

JAT1980 thinks we are all crazy. He says we are wrong because some people can't handle this and we are scaring them. It is scary, unfortunately it's just going to get worse until there is a all out revolution. JAT1980 has been trying for the last couple days to convince us that we are wrong even when we have factual evidence to provide. Yes, some of the theories like the FEMA camps can not be completely 100% confirmed on what we think their intentions are, but why would they admit to it? Your constantly trying to debate with us here about these issues. Why? Because you don't want to accept the truth, you don't want to come to the realization that everything you've been taught was mostly a lie. That the world leaders don't give a **** about people, it's all about money. You are arguing with us because you want to be convinced that it is not true. Your not convince anyone you moron, just trying to convince yourself. You think I'm going to hurt people? If you want to go political, I fight for your freedom!!! YA AMERICA!, there are plenty more in the military that are seeing what's going on. Don't call us crazy ass psychos who are going to go on a shooting rampage. I'm a good person who really cares about human freedom and am willing to fight for it. When I post my opinions it's not to scare people, I love life and would like to see world peace. Knowing and doing nothing about it is just as bad as doing it yourself. For now, It is peaceful and I am still able to express my opinions for now.

[JAT1980]

Your "debunk" source is exposed, just more propaganda.

Beck is nothing but a wind bag, spewing half truths, and trying to lead people down a wrong turn dead end.

Oh, we can agree on the whole Beck being a wind bag but I won't go as far as to say he spews half truths...that's giving him too much credit. Actually, the story was from Popular Mechanics and they were debunking this garbage on his show because most of his listeners believe this kind of crap.

When it happens i,ll give 3 seconds and you,ll change your mind- Now if it isnt true what are doing in there?-here is a thot---maybe yall are right. But what if ya aint?

And what happens when you guys realize that you aren't right but you've convinced someone that it is and they end up killing someone? There are crazy people out there (even crazier than some of you conspiracy people) that will actually act on all this fear mongering.

Oh Please.

I know Scrum....they used investigative journalism not the kind of crazy far fetched opinion that you like.

ah so you dont have proof, also scared, just want to heckle from the background, dont want to put your a** on the line. If you are scared, you can get in my pocket. :lol:

You don't have any proof either. You won't read any legitimate pieces about this crazy stuff. You will just pull up a bunch of nutty youtube videos and articles written from conspiracy yahoos.

JAT1980 thinks we are all crazy. He says we are wrong because some people can't handle this and we are scaring them. It is scary, unfortunately it's just going to get worse until there is a all out revolution. JAT1980 has been trying for the last couple days to convince us that we are wrong even when we have factual evidence to provide. Yes, some of the theories like the FEMA camps can not be completely 100% confirmed on what we think their intentions are, but why would they admit to it? Your constantly trying to debate with us here about these issues. Why? Because you don't want to accept the truth, you don't want to come to the realization that everything you've been taught was mostly a lie. That the world leaders don't give a **** about people, it's all about money. You are arguing with us because you want to be convinced that it is not true. Your not convince anyone you moron, just trying to convince yourself. You think I'm going to hurt people? If you want to go political, I fight for your freedom!!! YA AMERICA!, there are plenty more in the military that are seeing what's going on. Don't call us crazy ass psychos who are going to go on a shooting rampage. I'm a good person who really cares about human freedom and am willing to fight for it. When I post my opinions it's not to scare people, I love life and would like to see world peace. Knowing and doing nothing about it is just as bad as doing it yourself. For now, It is peaceful and I am still able to express my opinions for now.

You don't have any factual evidence. You just have youtube videos and articles from crap websites. You have no articles or stories from real news publications. I just gave you one but ofcourse it's not good enough because it doesn't insight "revolution". You are the moron not me. I know I'm not going to convince you of anything because you are all drunk on all the conspiracy kool aid. And you are going to convince some psycho to do something crazy.

[congomongo]

I'm sorry, I know most of you will only believe it if it's from some hillbilly that figured out how to make a youtube video or from some unknown person on a conspiracy blog but Popular Mechanics works for me.

i did not even spend the time to read your story. the camps and the preparation thereof have already been validated by many officials even here in california. And, the world got a peek at the Bid Request for Contract Services for those camps. The purposen of those naysayers was to get the people out of the state of alert and alarm and defense mode that they were suddenly put into by this threat. Your purpose for posting that article was the same.

Your "debunk" source is exposed, just more propaganda.

Beck is nothing but a wind bag, spewing half truths, and trying to lead people down a wrong turn dead end.

Glenn Beck’s Lame Attempt to “Debunk” FEMA Camps

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Disinfo operative Glenn Beck’s shabby and comical attempt to “debunk” FEMA camps was theater of the absurd at its most revealing. Recall Beck a few weeks ago trying to bait us with a promise to investigate the camps. He came off as alarmed over the prospect of internment camps and this set the hook. Stay tuned, folks, he teased, we’ll get to the bottom of this.

Beck and Meigs Part 1

Glenn Beck, the seasoned operative, never intended a serious exposé. He planned to make those of us who know FEMA camps exist look like fools and churls. In order to do this he enlisted the retread James Meigs, editor-in-chief of the washed-up Hearst publication, Popular Mechanics. Back in 2005, Meigs spearheaded an effort to debunk the 9/11 truth movement with a Popular Mechanic cover story. Meigs and his crew of supposed debunkers approached the science of 9/11 very selectively and were more interested in ad hominem attacks leveled against researchers. Meigs concluded his diatribe by stating that “those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth — and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.”

Meigs turned his “fact checking” (through omission) into a book — Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts. It was published by Hearst, the media corporation famous for its association with the expression “yellow journalism.” Hearst told the illustrationist Frederic Remington during the Spanish-American War: “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” Nothing much as changed since 1895.

In the video here, Beck says Meigs heads up the “independent group” he assigned the task of debunking the conspiracy nuts who believe in the existence of FEMA camps. As evidence the nutters are way out in left field, Meigs dissects a widely discredited video of a Beech Grove, Indiana, Amtrak facility filmed by the Indianapolis attorney Linda Thompson.

Beck and Meigs Part 2

You may recall Thompson’s earlier video about the government siege and subsequent incineration of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. She made a series of absurd claims about the siege, for instance insisting the BATF and FBI used flame throwers mounted on tanks against the Davidians. It didn’t take long for Soldier of Fortune Magazine to discredit Thompson’s accusations. She mysteriously vanished into the ether after people began asking if she might be a government operative.

Meigs and Beck say nothing about this. “This footage, which appears in multiple videos on YouTube, is from a ‘documentary’ filmed 15 years ago,” explains Beck’s Fox News web page. “Yet today, it’s been viewed nearly 1.5 million times online. The woman who made the video, Linda Thompson, was one of the pioneers of the militia movement in the United States — except she was so extreme, she embarrassed even her fellow militants. Far from a death camp, Beech Grove is the primary maintenance facility for Amtrak’s long-distance trains, overhauling and repairing approximately 700 passenger cars a year. Company officials, who’ve heard these theories for years, welcomed our film crew, and the superintendent of the facility showed us anything we wanted to see.”

Beck does not bother to mention the fact serious FEMA camp researchers discarded the video years ago. Meigs and Beck are more interested in linking the video to Thompson and the “militia movement” (created as a scary bogeyman by the corporate media in the 1990s) and connecting that up with the ugly specter of the Timothy McVeigh — the same McVeigh photographed at Camp Grafton, North Dakota (the base specializes in demolitions training) in 1993, a mere 18 months before the Oklahoma City bombing. The FBI insisted he was not in the military at the time.

In the second installment of this “definitive debunking,” Beck and his sidekick Meigs show us a satellite photo of a real concentration camp the conspiracy theorists supposedly claim is a FEMA camp. As Alex Jones called it when the photo was used as a teaser at the close of the first installment the previous evening, the camp is located in North Korea (because only communists operate concentration camps, never mind the forcible relocation and internment of approximately 110,000 Japanese nationals and Japanese Americans by Roosevelt during World War 2, a criminal act lavishly defended by the neocon darling Michelle Malkin, a regular on Fox News)

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Glen Beck is what THEY call a "useful idiot"....

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JAT1980

You don't have any factual evidence. You just have youtube videos and articles from crap websites. You have no articles or stories from real news publications. I just gave you one but ofcourse it's not good enough because it doesn't insight "revolution". You are the moron not me. I know I'm not going to convince you of anything because you are all drunk on all the conspiracy kool aid. And you are going to convince some psycho to do something crazy.

Well reading your post and discovering your a religious man explains a lot now. I am a crazy drunk moron who will convince someone to do something crazy... right...

Only time will tell JAT1980, and when that time comes I hope your prepared. I'm prepared for all out anarchy and have the training, knowledge, and equipment to survive on my own.

[Scrumdiddles]

I know Scrum....they used investigative journalism not the kind of crazy far fetched opinion that you like.

See that is where you are wrong, the proof of what is happening is in the laws being written. The proof also lies in the actual physical objects that one refers to like Fema camps. Do we even want to get into the coffin liners that are stacked outside of major cities? I wonder what they are going to be used for? Any number of things. Why would the government be renting land to store them? Why do they even have them? So no far fetched opinions here.

there (even crazier than some of you conspiracy people) that will

You don't have any proof either. You won't read any legitimate pieces about this crazy stuff. You will just pull up a bunch of nutty youtube videos and articles written from conspiracy yahoos.

Why dont you jump in your car and go look for yourself. I have. I have seen the crazy sh*t, and it does not make since in your so called peaceful society.

[JAT1980]

See that is where you are wrong, the proof of what is happening is in the laws being written. The proof also lies in the actual physical objects that one refers to like Fema camps. Do we even want to get into the coffin liners that are stacked outside of major cities? I wonder what they are going to be used for? Any number of things. Why would the government be renting land to store them? Why do they even have them? So no far fetched opinions here.

Yeah, except that there are no Fema camps and the coffin liners aren't being used by the government. The facility of the company that makes them is where that video was most likely taken. The article also references the satellite photo of a North Korean facility that was doctored to look like what you guys want it to look like. So either you are either being played or are just playing others. It just isn't happening no matter how much you want it to.

JAT1980

You don't have any factual evidence. You just have youtube videos and articles from crap websites. You have no articles or stories from real news publications. I just gave you one but ofcourse it's not good enough because it doesn't insight "revolution". You are the moron not me. I know I'm not going to convince you of anything because you are all drunk on all the conspiracy kool aid. And you are going to convince some psycho to do something crazy.

Well reading your post and discovering your a religious man explains a lot now. I am a crazy drunk moron who will convince someone to do something crazy... right...

Only time will tell JAT1980, and when that time comes I hope your prepared. I'm prepared for all out anarchy and have the training, knowledge, and equipment to survive on my own.

You're prepared to fight an enemy that isn't there. You should work on the demons inside.

See that is where you are wrong, the proof of what is happening is in the laws being written. The proof also lies in the actual physical objects that one refers to like Fema camps. Do we even want to get into the coffin liners that are stacked outside of major cities? I wonder what they are going to be used for? Any number of things. Why would the government be renting land to store them? Why do they even have them? So no far fetched opinions here.

Why dont you jump in your car and go look for yourself. I have. I have seen the crazy sh*t, and it does not make since in your so called peaceful society.

When I jump in my car and look around I see the real world. It's not perfect but it works for me.

[Scrumdiddles]

Yeah, except that there are no Fema camps and the coffin liners aren't being used by the government. The facility of the company that makes them is where that video was most likely taken. The article also references the satellite photo of a North Korean facility that was doctored to look like what you guys want it to look like. So either you are either being played or are just playing others. It just isn't happening no matter how much you want it to.

Yea JAT there are Americans in North Korea. Remember they teach there children that Americans eat babies. Ok, whatever.

[JAT1980]

Yea JAT there are Americans in North Korea. Remember they teach there children that Americans eat babies. Ok, whatever.

Can you give me some positives while you are giving yourself some? Thanks.