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[divemaster5734]

What will it take for the doubters to pull their heads out?

[B one]

Chest pains? Seriously lol? Awful lot of chest pains going on in these e mail! I would have thought that the military would've been in better cardiovascular shape!

[divemaster5734]

Why is it the first ones to respond are the ones so freaking scared of the truth they would rather dismiss off hand than face reality?

[divemaster5734]

Chest pains? Seriously lol? Awful lot of chest pains going on in these e mail! I would have thought that the military would've been in better cardiovascular shape!

I doubt you have ever been in the military, because you obviously do not understand the reality these people come from.

While physical training is important, it is the physiological and psychological training that is paramount.

The whole reason our military is the best is because of the preparation.

War games, simulations, and repetitious procedures are never ending.

Any vet knows this well. We also know this is how troops are conditioned.

The guys in the video took an oath to protect the constitution and the peoples of America.

Their whole reality, one of an honorable life defending our freedoms, and their entire way of life may be about to take a major paradigm shift, and all you can do is laugh about the fact they are experiencing anxiety about it?

They are being forced to accept they must use lethal force against the very people they are sworn to defend, on American soil, and the military needs to know they will, BEFORE they are sent to quell a civilian unrest.

Are you not able to grasp the seriousness of that situation?

[Sal0525]

I have been in the military and I don't believe any of this. More right wing lies and propaganda. Right up there with Clinton owning flight lines in Columbia to bring in drugs... (heard that from a Chief Master Seagent in the Air Force)

[Anti This Anti That]

Here is a simple solution the patriots can use against these traitors. Go a long with those who are going along with the people wanting to fire on, and round up it's own citizens like you agree with them. After you see who the ones are who are traitors, and are not keeping their oath to the constitution, the patriots take them by gun point, and lock them down in the brigs, and other military prisons. You must arrest all the officers, and NCO's that are doing the elite criminals bidding. It is a simple thing to do, if the men who are bound by their oath will do it. Arrest them at gun point, and take over the military from these traitors, and then round up all the politicians, and other people behind this New World Order madness. They might call it mutiny, but it will work.

[CrappieShark]

My own prayer is that they uphold the constitution and we run these traitors that are passing these Anti-American laws innto the cells they thought to put the American in. I hope we find them treasonous, and they are, and get our country back and defend freedom as never before. America your freedom has just been voted away by government officials and you are not even aware of it yet. When Udell and feinstein and paul send out emails and ask for petitions to be signed to repeal this law you can bet it is serious business. I signed the petition knowing full well that it puts me in jeapordy as a dissenter to the new Socialist republic of America. But if being against them traitorously washing away all the freedom that our forefathers and modern day heros have fought for causes me harm so be it. Give me liberty or give me death. may the blood of all the American soldiers and veterans who have fought so we could have that bill of rights and constitution be visited upon their heads. May the Armed forces of America visit the White House and put those traitors in jail That is what should be done now. They have done this hurriedly and in secret because they know it would never fly if they put it up before the people to be voted on. Somebody better wake up and smell the roses before the roses grow on top of them. This is not conspiracy this has happened. It is happening now in our day at this time. Wake up America the economy is not as evil as the ones making law right now. You are no longer free if this is allowed to continue. Udell may be just getting names to find who will sign. I signed anyway. This is my country. My whole family is Veterans and they are all appalled at this disgusting display of despotism. McCain and Levin wrote it And Obama the republicans and the democrats are upholding it and agreeing to it. This is bi-partisan and we are asleep. Something has happened to these mens minds and they have signed Americas death warrant. We better wake up or America will be changed eternally. By calling Americans terrorists who would never allow a terrorist to plant a bomb or kill another citizen or support any kind of terrorist activity, and saying that our military has the right to arrest and detain and kill anyone suspected of this is terrorism in and of itself. This absolutely terrifies me. This is why National Guardsmen are having heart attacks and strokes. This is real and is happening it is not conspiracy or theory

[DinarMillionaire]

Distrust and caution are the parents of security.

Wise men don't need advice. Fools won't take it.
-Benjamin Franklin

[elmstreet61]

Why is it the first ones to respond are the ones so freaking scared of the truth they would rather dismiss off hand than face reality?

Thank you so much. Great post. God bless.

Distrust and caution are the parents of security.

Wise men don't need advice. Fools won't take it.
-Benjamin Franklin

Ya gotta love Ben Franklin!! Brilliant.

[parmenio]

Here is a simple solution the patriots can use against these traitors. Go a long with those who are going along with the people wanting to fire on, and round up it's own citizens like you agree with them. After you see who the ones are who are traitors, and are not keeping their oath to the constitution, the patriots take them by gun point, and lock them down in the brigs, and other military prisons. You must arrest all the officers, and NCO's that are doing the elite criminals bidding. It is a simple thing to do, if the men who are bound by their oath will do it. Arrest them at gun point, and take over the military from these traitors, and then round up all the politicians, and other people behind this New World Order madness. They might call it mutiny, but it will work.

As I've always said, take names (especially politicians) ...; know your enemy and keep them in your scope (figuratively) . IF that day comes patriots WILL rise to the occassion, just like they always have to "refresh the tree of liberty", once again.

[JAT1980]

You're all crazy! You know I'm not an anti gun person but in the case of you people I might just change my mind. All the crazy people seem to be armed

Did any of you think that maybe...just maybe...that if any of this crap was true then the family of the soldier would have gone to the news about this? That someone would have gone to the news? Ya know the real news and not just send an email to this nut???

[desimo]

During the Clinton Administration the military was polled to see who would be willing to disarm or fire upon a fellow American. One third said yes, one third said depends, one third said no. This was directly from someone IN the military. If you do not think that something is just not right in our present social and political situation you are a fool. All you really need to do is to look at events. Political power, government officals and overt actions have been increasing. It was not that long ago that I remember military equipment used at Waco. I am not in favor of Waco and the wackos, but I do remembering hearing how military equipment was not supposed to ever be used against civilian populations. Secondly it was not that long ago that there was an armed military like raid, cannot remember the exact government unit which participated, regarding a child that needed to be taken from the relatives which were seeking protection in American and needed to go back to Cuba. You can argue all you want about FEMA camps and civilian concentration camps being formed if desired. What I do see is a government which now can control the internet in the case of what IT calls a national crisis. I see a government which is able to control other forms of communication as it deems necessary. I see a government making travel as uncomfortable as possible through TSA invasion. I see a government which has been refusing to open other oil production which would force the cost of gas down, but with high gas prices travel is restricted. I see a government controlling production of disliked items through EPA regulation. I see a government that is wanting to even control the kinds of light bulbs you have in your home. PEOPLE...WE HAVE A PROBLEM!

Chest pains? Seriously lol? Awful lot of chest pains going on in these e mail! I would have thought that the military would've been in better cardiovascular shape!

Tell this to the family that recently lose their father because of a heart attack. He had an extra hard day of drill, was sleeping at home and died. The government is trying to deny benefits because, although on active duty, died at home.

[parmenio]

During the Clinton Administration the military was polled to see who would be willing to disarm or fire upon a fellow American. One third said yes, one third said depends, one third said no. This was directly from someone IN the military. If you do not think that something is just not right in our present social and political situation you are a fool. All you really need to do is to look at events. Political power, government officals and overt actions have been increasing. It was not that long ago that I remember military equipment used at Waco. I am not in favor of Waco and the wackos, but I do remembering hearing how military equipment was not supposed to ever be used against civilian populations. Secondly it was not that long ago that there was an armed military like raid, cannot remember the exact government unit which participated, regarding a child that needed to be taken from the relatives which were seeking protection in American and needed to go back to Cuba. You can argue all you want about FEMA camps and civilian concentration camps being formed if desired. What I do see is a government which now can control the internet in the case of what IT calls a national crisis. I see a government which is able to control other forms of communication as it deems necessary. I see a government making travel as uncomfortable as possible through TSA invasion. I see a government which has been refusing to open other oil production which would force the cost of gas down, but with high gas prices travel is restricted. I see a government controlling production of disliked items through EPA regulation. I see a government that is wanting to even control the kinds of light bulbs you have in your home. PEOPLE...WE HAVE A PROBLEM!



Tell this to the family that recently lose their father because of a heart attack. He had an extra hard day of drill, was sleeping at home and died. The government is trying to deny benefits because, although on active duty, died at home.

Well articulated desimo...!

[jaman]

You're all crazy! You know I'm not an anti gun person but in the case of you people I might just change my mind. All the crazy people seem to be armed

Did any of you think that maybe...just maybe...that if any of this crap was true then the family of the soldier would have gone to the news about this? That someone would have gone to the news? Ya know the real news and not just send an email to this nut???

you FOOL do you think that you get real news..in AMERICA...you have to watch the news from other countries to get the real news of what's going on... love the BBC I served 7yrs and one of the lines when you join is...... guard from foreign or domestic threats ........you have not served or you would have known this

[JAT1980]

you FOOL do you think that you get real news..in AMERICA...you have to watch the news from other countries to get the real news of what's going on... love the BBC I served 7yrs and one of the lines when you join is...... guard from foreign or domestic threats ........you have not served or you would have known this

Okay, so then show me where the BBC is reporting that any of the nonsense is going on??? You're the FOOL because I'm not going to believe something just because some crockpot on a youtube video says its true.

[Weapon X]

you FOOL do you think that you get real news..in AMERICA...you have to watch the news from other countries to get the real news of what's going on... love the BBC I served 7yrs and one of the lines when you join is...... guard from foreign or domestic threats ........you have not served or you would have known this

I did serve and while what you say about the military enlistment is correct, but what the clown in the video any other clown do not know and do not know is the UCMJ like you and I should.

Article 90—Assaulting or willfully disobeying superior commissioned officer

2. willfully disobeys a lawful command of his superior commissioned officer; shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, and if the offense is committed at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.”

Now tell me when was this "poll" in and EDRI, a military readiness EXERCISE (and yes I know how that works been in several of them myself) as the email states become a lawful order??? A poll is asking opinions and if this incident was true, the soldier/marine/seamen/airman would be scott free of all charges. In many UCMJ court martial cases it has been shown that the excuse of " I was following orders" does not float and any smart military member KNOWS that. I would suggest you look up United States v. Keenan

the accused (Keenan) was found guilty of murder after he obeyed in order to shoot and kill an elderly Vietnamese citizen. The Court of Military Appeals held that "the justification for acts done pursuant to orders does not exist if the order was of such a nature that a man of ordinary sense and understanding would know it to be illegal."

So as an USAF veteran and a very smart person, I call BS to the Nth degree. I have not seen this in any external news source, all sources point to an email of an anonymous military member and an video quoting said email.

Edited by Weapon X, 10 December 2011 - 11:27 AM.

[Sal0525]

This USAF veteran agrees, BS...

Have you noticed that these people are so vocal on shutting down people who disagree with them, calling them anti-American and when we exercise our own rights as an Americans we are told that we are infringing on their rights to free speech? Like they all have read from the same book complete with talking points and..., wait. Fox News, should have known...

More negs please, 29 and counting just from exercising my rights as an American...

[Polecat85]

During the Clinton Administration the military was polled to see who would be willing to disarm or fire upon a fellow American. One third said yes, one third said depends, one third said no. This was directly from someone IN the military. If you do not think that something is just not right in our present social and political situation you are a fool. All you really need to do is to look at events. Political power, government officals and overt actions have been increasing. It was not that long ago that I remember military equipment used at Waco. I am not in favor of Waco and the wackos, but I do remembering hearing how military equipment was not supposed to ever be used against civilian populations. Secondly it was not that long ago that there was an armed military like raid, cannot remember the exact government unit which participated, regarding a child that needed to be taken from the relatives which were seeking protection in American and needed to go back to Cuba. You can argue all you want about FEMA camps and civilian concentration camps being formed if desired. What I do see is a government which now can control the internet in the case of what IT calls a national crisis. I see a government which is able to control other forms of communication as it deems necessary. I see a government making travel as uncomfortable as possible through TSA invasion. I see a government which has been refusing to open other oil production which would force the cost of gas down, but with high gas prices travel is restricted. I see a government controlling production of disliked items through EPA regulation. I see a government that is wanting to even control the kinds of light bulbs you have in your home. PEOPLE...WE HAVE A PROBLEM!



Tell this to the family that recently lose their father because of a heart attack. He had an extra hard day of drill, was sleeping at home and died. The government is trying to deny benefits because, although on active duty, died at home.

I believe you have the numbers wrong. That poll showed that 26% of the soldiers / Marines surveyed would fire on US citizens. 74% said they would not. The military will fracture if this happens. Entire units will stand down if given that order.

[desimo]

I believe you have the numbers wrong. That poll showed that 26% of the soldiers / Marines surveyed would fire on US citizens. 74% said they would not. The military will fracture if this happens. Entire units will stand down if given that order.

What is really scary is that you have just given evidence that 'yes' there was a poll. More so than the results is the fact that there was ever a poll made asking this question.

[randalln]

I have been in the military and I don't believe any of this. More right wing lies and propaganda. Right up there with Clinton owning flight lines in Columbia to bring in drugs... (heard that from a Chief Master Seagent in the Air Force)

Well hate to tell you this but Clinton did bring in drugs

a whole lot as part of a sting operation that went wrong at lest thats what the report says

they still have not recovered all the drugs

But it was OK'ed by the Clinton wight house a few thousand tons trying to bring down a drug cartel (they never got there man)