FOR ALL THE OBAMA BASHERS

[dhardage]

GROUP HUG!!

[mojack]

My god man do u even read what u question? I threw u a bone when I made that post,u for some reason u don't believe Obama should be accountable for his poor decisions,now thats leadership. Leadership thats put us right where we are at. Discussion closed until u are willing to remove the blinders.

You must be lost - of course he should be accountable. You talked about the first 2 years being squandered, remember. I disagreed with a list of what was taking place!

Mojack, what is your take on the Solyndra scandal, where the Obama administration has rearranged the contracts, more than a half a billion dollars, to make sure the private investors (Obama donors) are paid back before the American taxpayers?

And, what do you think of the Obama InJustice Department, Eric Holder, fabricating a gun running scam on America to undermine the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution, to impose more gun laws on law abiding citizens? And how do you feel that American citizens have died because of it?

I think solar is a very viable alternative for energy and Solyndra had a technology that got around using silicon, which was very expensive. Price of silicon fail and made Solydra’s technology more expensive and put them in a place where they could no longer compete. I don’t know if anyone could have predicted the key component of solars to drop from $300 per kilogram to $50 per kilogram. Businesses fail when they can’t compete.

With that said, I don’t think adequate due diligence was taken before loaning the money to Solyndra. The government processes, put in place by Bush in 2005 and expanded in the 2009 stimulus, were obviously flawed. I find these flaws in several aspects of the government.

As far as the $1 billion from the private sector, again, questionable processes in place. I can’t call them Obama’s Donors, but private sectors probably have better business acumen, which includes contract/loan negotiations, than our government. I don’t believe it’s up to the president to make the decision of returns after the fact, but he has to take the heat!

[Nelg]

http://www.salon.com...ubmerged_state/

There is a quote at the end of this introductory paragraph which says, "The problem was that most of what was accomplished could not be seen: It remained invisible to average citizens."

That may be the problem. He doesn't want us to know what goes on behind closed doors. If the average citizen knew he would be impeached.

[tarsi]

Mojack you are wasting your time have to realize who you are dealing with why do you think we are in the position we're in now the people that got us here they think just like them and are brainwashed in their beliefs and too blind to see it they blow smoke by putting labels on things like far left, and socialist, blah,blah,blah when they are behind the scenes doing what they do best rob, kill, steal,destroy,

[mojack]

GROUP HUG!!

I know

Mojack you are wasting your time have to realize who you are dealing with why do you think we are in the position we're in now the people that got us here they think just like them and are brainwashed in their beliefs and too blind to see it they blow smoke by putting labels on things like far left, and socialist, blah,blah,blah when they are behind the scenes doing what they do best rob, kill, steal,destroy,

Again, I know. I try to be open-minded and offer candid honesty. We all have a lot to realize from our government.

[Mongo]

Mo-Crack for Mojack and Tarsi

[caz1104]

I know

Again, I know. I try to be open-minded and offer candid honesty. We all have a lot to realize from our government.

"i try to be open minded" as long as it fits ur point of view. I don't have a problem with ur political views but its ur biased truths that gets in the way of a honest discussion.

[mojack]

"i try to be open minded" as long as it fits ur point of view. I don't have a problem with ur political views but its ur biased truths that gets in the way of a honest discussion.

There's no question that I lean more to one side than the other, but what biased truths have I written?

Mo-Crack for Mojack and Tarsi

I find that remark kinda offensive. Second time you've written that... It may run through your trailer park but not my neighborhood.

I shouldn't have done that huh!

Edited October 18, 2011 by mojack

[Mongo]

[caz1104]

I mentioned 3 right off the top of my head in an earlier post. The majority of economic guru's i've read don't seem to agree that Obama's pushing our national debt to unheard of numbers is a positive,or his unwilliness to cut entitlement programs till pushed to do so. Or his insistance that the filthy rich pay and additional 5% in taxes while over 50% don't pay any at all. And i still have'nt seen a positive job growth numbers in the last two years.

[Dinars4sale]

read this and it will give you the answers to what he's accomplished. if you just need someone to hate and don't want the truth then stop reading here.

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/15/how_obama_drowned_in_the_submerged_state/

Obama is gone in a year!!! Sweeeeeeeetttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mojack]

I mentioned 3 right off the top of my head in an earlier post. The majority of economic guru's i've read don't seem to agree that Obama's pushing our national debt to unheard of numbers is a positive,or his unwilliness to cut entitlement programs till pushed to do so. Or his insistance that the filthy rich pay and additional 5% in taxes while over 50% don't pay any at all. And i still have'nt seen a positive job growth numbers in the last two years.

Okay, but there was no other choice on the Debt Ceiling for the time being. Economic gurus or not, it was eventually a bi-partisan agreement because there was no choice.

To be specific, which entitlement program?

Which 50% does not pay taxes?

1. Many senior citizens' Social Security benefits are exempt from federal income taxes. That accounts for about 22% of the people who pay no federal income tax.
   
2. Low-income, working families with children, account for half of the people who pay no federal income tax.

I would not recommend asking these groups to pay more taxes.

[caz1104]

Okay, but there was no other choice on the Debt Ceiling for the time being. Economic gurus or not, it was eventually a bi-partisan agreement because there was no choice.

To be specific, which entitlement program?

Which 50% does not pay taxes?

1. Many senior citizens' Social Security benefits are exempt from federal income taxes. That accounts for about 22% of the people who pay no federal income tax.
   
2. Low-income, working families with children, account for half of the people who pay no federal income tax.

I would not recommend asking these groups to pay more taxes.

"i would not recommend asking these groups to pay more taxes" U and i differ in our beliefs, i believe u gotta pay to play. Can't speak for others but i'm tired of supporting others(including corporate)without any say in how the money is spent. I'm all for charity but not forced taxation for entitlement programs.

Edited October 18, 2011 by caz1104

[mojack]

"i would not recommend asking these groups to pay more taxes" U and i differ in our beliefs, i believe u gotta pay to play. Can't speak for others but i'm tired of supporting others(including corporate)without any say in how the money is spent. I'm all for charity but not forced taxation for entitlement programs.

I understand but the tax laws and loop holes allow some groups to pay very little in comparison (on a percentage basis).

If the lower income, proverbial speaking, made more - they would gladly pay more.

Older folks on SS have it tough enough, don't you agree?

Right now 46% do not pay income taxes - Visualize our country if these pathetic conditions continued to grow. Taxes would have to come from somewhere.

25% of millionaires pay lower tax rates than many middle-class Americans; http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20120147-503544.html

1. One-quarter of America's children live in low-income families with a working parent. In 2001, almost 19 million children lived with parents who worked regularly in families that remained low-income (income below twice the official poverty threshold, or about $38,000 for a family of four).
   
2. Low hourly wages explain why these working families have low incomes.
   
3. Low-income working families receive fewer job benefits than middle-income families.
   
4. Low-income families with at least one full-time worker are much less likely than middle-income families to receive health insurance through an employer (49 versus 77 percent).
   
5. Low-income working families are less likely to have paid vacation or sick leave than higher-income families, making it more difficult to juggle work, family health, and well-being.
   
6. Low-income working families face greater food and housing hardships.
   
7. Child care can be a large expense for low-income working families in which the mother works.
   
8. Health problems are more prevalent among low-income working families.
   
9. With the job-market downturn, families are working less and have lower incomes.a Labor markets have slacked considerably since early 2001.
   
10. Few low-income working families receive welfare benefits; half receive help with a parent's or child's health insurance.
    

I respect your position and we do differ - that's okay!

[caz1104]

I understand but the tax laws and loop holes allow some groups to pay very little in comparison (on a percentage basis).

If the lower income, proverbial speaking, made more - they would gladly pay more.

Older folks on SS have it tough enough, don't you agree?

Right now 46% do not pay income taxes - Visualize our country if these pathetic conditions continued to grow. Taxes would have to come from somewhere.

25% of millionaires pay lower tax rates than many middle-class Americans; http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20120147-503544.html

1. One-quarter of America's children live in low-income families with a working parent. In 2001, almost 19 million children lived with parents who worked regularly in families that remained low-income (income below twice the official poverty threshold, or about $38,000 for a family of four).
   
2. Low hourly wages explain why these working families have low incomes.
   
3. Low-income working families receive fewer job benefits than middle-income families.
   
4. Low-income families with at least one full-time worker are much less likely than middle-income families to receive health insurance through an employer (49 versus 77 percent).
   
5. Low-income working families are less likely to have paid vacation or sick leave than higher-income families, making it more difficult to juggle work, family health, and well-being.
   
6. Low-income working families face greater food and housing hardships.
   
7. Child care can be a large expense for low-income working families in which the mother works.
   
8. Health problems are more prevalent among low-income working families.
   
9. With the job-market downturn, families are working less and have lower incomes.a Labor markets have slacked considerably since early 2001.
   
10. Few low-income working families receive welfare benefits; half receive help with a parent's or child's health insurance.
    

I respect your position and we do differ - that's okay!

I agree. Fighting for ones beliefs is good,best of luck.

Edited October 18, 2011 by caz1104

[Shinnidan]

hmmm...this thread is still active.... *sighs* *shakes head w/face palm*

Col Hogan, could you help me please....

[ARUN]

Oh thanks

[smee2]

Since I started reading this forum I have been appalled by the number of people, most it seems, who openly and with rancor and anger, not only dislike the person of the President, Mr. Obama, but disrespect the office of the President ... the highest office in your land. I know he cannot be liked by everyone, that's what makes elections and horseraaces ... someone wins, someone loses, and there were supporters on each side who afterwards feel elated they won, or disappointed they lost. Personally I feel if you don't like the president, rather than sitting here bashing him while you down another brewski, you should be out there lining up volunteers, and voters and candidates for the next round. You are not going to change a thing now, you lost that chance when Mr. Obama was elected. You have a chance to change it this time around. But you sure as he11 won't change anything the next time either if you are just sitting here commiserating over how bad he is and in the same breath disparaging the office you should be supporting.

There, I finally said it outright. Being Canadian, you know, eh, we are the peacekeepers, and don't go in for violence, even in words. Oh, and we have our opinions about our leaders too but do not express those feeling to the extent and with the vitriol you Americans do.

'Nuff said ...

smee2

[caz1104]

Wimpy Canadians

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Wimpy Canadians

Nice to see, through all the passion on this thread, you've managed to keep your sense of humor!

[mojack]

Since I started reading this forum I have been appalled by the number of people, most it seems, who openly and with rancor and anger, not only dislike the person of the President, Mr. Obama, but disrespect the office of the President ... the highest office in your land. I know he cannot be liked by everyone, that's what makes elections and horseraaces ... someone wins, someone loses, and there were supporters on each side who afterwards feel elated they won, or disappointed they lost. Personally I feel if you don't like the president, rather than sitting here bashing him while you down another brewski, you should be out there lining up volunteers, and voters and candidates for the next round. You are not going to change a thing now, you lost that chance when Mr. Obama was elected. You have a chance to change it this time around. But you sure as he11 won't change anything the next time either if you are just sitting here commiserating over how bad he is and in the same breath disparaging the office you should be supporting.

There, I finally said it outright. Being Canadian, you know, eh, we are the peacekeepers, and don't go in for violence, even in words. Oh, and we have our opinions about our leaders too but do not express those feeling to the extent and with the vitriol you Americans do.

'Nuff said ...

smee2

smee2 - thanks very much for that commentary. I totally echo your sentiments. Most people think I'm being biased but I believe we have to support the 'office' for the country's sake.

People here also think it's there prerogative as a citizen... I think that excuse is weak and destructive... what a way to destroy a product!

I've been to Canada and enjoyed myself immensely.

Edited October 18, 2011 by mojack

[bright]

Cry all you want but "o" will still be re-elected jmho

Mike I think you are so right.......I love Republicans fighting each other...and one thing you would think with all their billionaire supporters like the Koch brothers they still can't match the President on raising money.........the GOP is so confused...Romney is too liberal and the Mormon issue kills him with christian right........then as soon as Rick Perry opened his mouth he began to drown.........Herman Cain doesn't have the financial backing and whether the Republicans admit it or not there is still racism among wanna be Republicans.......they aren't ready for a black nominee.........I am hopimg for a split GOP ticket,,,a third party(tea)........it will bring back great memories of GH Bush...Bill Clinton......Ross Perot...........

[billbill]

smee2 - thanks very much for that commentary. I totally echo your sentiments. Most people think I'm being biased but I believe we have to support the 'office' for the country's sake.

People here also think it's there prerogative as a citizen... I think that excuse is weak and destructive... what a way to destroy a product!

I've been to Canada and enjoyed myself immensely.

I think it is sad that this sentiment wasn't spoken of when President Bush was in office. There wasn't a lack of nasty vitriol during his term either. It only means something when the shoe is on the other foot! So to speak...

[Kanga]

All the right wing sreams about is Smaller Government and more Private Sector job growth, but none of them ever turn off the right wing spin machine and go look at the real numbers.

Look at the graph on this page. Blue line is private sector jobs! Took one year for them to turn around the private sector from loosing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month to then creating jobs in the private sector. If you'll look close, it's now a plus about 1.5 million jobs!

Then look at the red line. That's government jobs. Seems it's down about 750K. Most of those are cops, teachers, firefighters, (you know, your neighbors) being laid off as states lost stimulus money and had to start cutting employees. But the government jobs are shrinking.

http://s3.mediamattersaction.org.s3.amazonaws.com/static/images/pubprivtrend911.jpg

And before you even start, yes Media Matters is a left leaning site, but they list the source for the graph as the Bureau of Labor. So you don't like it, produce a graph with their stats of your own.

That is a wonderful graph and if you analysis it it even makes sense of what we see in unemployment figures. It takes roughly 400,000 new jobs a month to have an even unemployment rate. This explains why unemployment has gone so high and we are not even counting those that have given up. :P

[mojack]

I think it is sad that this sentiment wasn't spoken of when President Bush was in office. There wasn't a lack of nasty vitriol during his term either. It only means something when the shoe is on the other foot! So to speak...

Use that remark with someone else; if you knew me then you would correct that statement. Take care