FOR ALL THE OBAMA BASHERS

[mojack]

Are you on this list of Obama's Known Associates? No matter what you say...EXPLAIN THESE ASSOCIATIONS....disgusting!

Hate to do this but we can provide questionable lists for all presidents:

http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm

-- His top aides exposed an undercover CIA agent to silence critics

-- Lies, deception and coverups to push the war in Iraq

-- Convicted of drunk driving. Lied repeatedly to cover up his arrest.

-- Lying under oath. Bush & staff stop investigation of contributor's huge funeral home company.

-- Avoided Vietnam and Skipped Out on his National Guard Service

-- Texas government corruption: State $$ for campaign funders & business cronies

-- Cocaine: felony drug use, vile hypocrisy, and a hushed up arrest?

-- His "young and irresponsible" behavior: sex, drugs and (gasp!) rock and roll?

-- Thin skinned: censors his critics with police, lawyers, $$$

-- Character: Spoiled rich kid living off his family's name and reputation

-- Made millions on insider business deals, for little work

-- -- Deal #1. Personal Profits from Failing Oil Companies

-- -- -- -- Easy Money From Odd Sources

-- -- -- -- A Surprise Deal From Bahrain

-- -- -- -- Access to the President and National Security Adviser for his foreign business partner

-- -- Deal #2. Selling Oil Stocks Just Before Iraq Invaded: lucky guess or illegal insider trading?

-- -- Deal #3. A Big Slice of a Baseball Team

-- -- -- -- Hypocrisy: using government coercion to make his private fortune

Quotes

"I've been to war [sic]. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war." -- Bush, flat out lying in 2002.

"One of the interesting initiatives we've taken in Washington, D.C., is we've got these vampire-busting devices. A vampire is a�a cell deal you can plug in the wall to charge your cell phone."�Denver, CO. Aug. 14, 2001

"Well, it's an unimaginable honor to be the president during the Fourth of July of this country. It means what these words say, for starters. The great inalienable rights of our country. We're blessed with such values in America. And I--it's--I'm a proud man to be the nation based upon such wonderful values."--Visiting the Jefferson Memorial, Washington, D.C., July 2, 2001

"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease."--After meeting with the leaders of the European Union, Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

"It's very important for folks to understand that when there's more trade, there's more commerce."--Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001

"I've coined new words, like, misunderstanding and Hispanically."�Radio-Television Correspondents Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 29, 2001

"I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well."�Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2001

Edited October 18, 2011 by mojack

[mojack]

I voted Reagan:

Lessons in Reaganomics

"He knows less about the budget than any president in my lifetime. He can't even carry on a conversation about the budget. It's an absolute and utter disgrace."

--House Speaker Tip O'Neill, after a meeting with Reagan, November 23, 1981

"For the last 30 years he's been in a dream world.... I think he actually believes that giving more to rich people will make them work harder, whereas the only way to make poor people work is to tax their unemployment benefits."

--NAACP executive director Benjamin Hooks commenting on Reagan's economic policies, January 25, 1983

"Reagan, who more than any president in history railed against government benefits and spending, set the standard for all members of his administration. In addition to his presidential pension of $99,500 a year for life and his annual pension as a former governor of California of $30,800...he received Secret Service protection from forty full-time agents and other security at a cost to the government estimated at $10 million annually, more than double that of other living presidents. A suite of offices atop a new thirty-four-story office building twenty minutes from his home, commanding a view that extended from the Pacific Ocean to the towers of downtown Los Angeles, cost the government $173,000 a year to lease."

--Haynes Johnson, Sleepwalking Through History: America in the Reagan Years

"At his seventh press conference, President Reagan...responds to a question about the 17% black unemployment rate by pointing out that 'in this time of great unemployment,' Sunday's paper had '24 full pages of...employers looking for employees,' though most of the jobs available--computer operator, for example, or cellular immunologist--require special training, for which his administration has cut funds by over 30%."

--Paul Slansky, The Clothes have no Emperor

"What we have found in this country, and maybe we're more aware of it now, is one problem that we've had, even in the best of times, and that is the people who are sleeping on the grates, the homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice."

--President Reagan, defending himself against charges of callousness on Good Morning America, January 31, 1984

The Reagan Legacy -- Debt and Deficits

Two years into Reagan's presidency, the United States experienced its worst recession since the Great Depression, with unemployment peaking at 10.8 percent. Rather than take responsibility, Reagan attempted to blame the 1982 recession on his predecessor, Jimmy Carter. (for details click here)

Likewise, Reagan would blame the explosion in red ink (debt and deficits) that occurred during his years in office on the U.S. Congress. Regarding federal deficits, Reagan's shirking of responsibility was especially egregious. This can be seen from Reagan's statements during his 1980 campaign and the early days of his presidency:

"Mr. Carter is acting as if he hasn't been in charge for the past three and a half years; as if someone else was responsible for the largest deficit in American history."

--Ronald Reagan, nationally televised campaign speech, October 24, 1980. (Federal deficits totaled $252 billion under Mr. Carter. By the end of Mr. Reagan's presidency, federal deficits would total over 1.4 trillion.)

"For decades we have piled deficit upon deficit, mortgaging our future and our children's future for the temporary convenience of the present. To continue this long trend is to guarantee tremendous social, cultural, political, and economic upheavals. You and I, as individuals, can, by borrowing, live beyond our means, but only for a limited period of time. Why, then, should we think that collectively, as a nation, we're not bound by that same limitation? We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow. And let there be no misunderstanding: We are going to begin to act, beginning today."

--President Reagan, in his inaugural address, January 20, 1981

"A trillion dollars would be a stack of $1,000 bills 67 miles high."

--President Reagan warning in February 1981 that the national debt, accumulated over the United States' 200 year history, is approaching $1 trillion. (Under Reagan, the national debt would nearly triple to $2.9 trillion.)

[rapidrex]

Hate to do this but we can provide questionable lists for all presidents:

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sure..but NOTHING beats this loser we have now! NO ONE. The bottom of the bucket...

[mojack]

Hate to do this but we can provide questionable lists for all presidents:

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sure..but NOTHING beats this loser we have now! NO ONE. The bottom of the bucket...

I don't know... TBD.

Bush and the Bin Laden family.

CIA closes down unit that was hunting Bin Laden - The terrorist tracking unit, known inside the spy agency as "Alec station," was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned to other offices within the CIA's Counterterrorist Center, the officials said. - TVNL COMMENT: Any Questions? Bush had no intentions of getting his buddy. http://tvnewslies.or...laden_ties.html

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I think the world would say - Osama was one bad boy! USA enemy number 1!

Edited October 18, 2011 by mojack

[AZ Native]

aaanth

You remind me of people who go Tent camping and wonder where do they plug in their hair dryers.

I don't think you have a clue what is really going on in the REAL World.

Not just great writeups from people who also have no clue.

You wan't to belive in that, well Good Luck, Go for what you know.

But you shouldn't look for an argument.

It does nobody any good. Just riles everybody up.

[mikep05]

Cry all you want but "o" will still be re-elected jmho

[AZ Native]

Whatever, everyone knows what opinions are like.

And there is nothing either side can do about it.

So pick what you know and decide what you must.

BUT DONT PUSH IT!

[tarsi]

Nice post aaanth

[tommy17]

All the right wing sreams about is Smaller Government and more Private Sector job growth, but none of them ever turn off the right wing spin machine and go look at the real numbers.

Look at the graph on this page. Blue line is private sector jobs! Took one year for them to turn around the private sector from loosing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month to then creating jobs in the private sector. If you'll look close, it's now a plus about 1.5 million jobs!

Then look at the red line. That's government jobs. Seems it's down about 750K. Most of those are cops, teachers, firefighters, (you know, your neighbors) being laid off as states lost stimulus money and had to start cutting employees. But the government jobs are shrinking.

http://s3.mediamattersaction.org.s3.amazonaws.com/static/images/pubprivtrend911.jpg

And before you even start, yes Media Matters is a left leaning site, but they list the source for the graph as the Bureau of Labor. So you don't like it, produce a graph with their stats of your own.

Go look at the economic graph for the last 3 years. Everythings up 20 to 30% The only jobs being gained in this recession is government. Go read about the 15,000 IRS agents he hired just to help you out on your taxes. And why do we need stimlus to keep police and teachers working bec ause the economy sucks.

Just what does a little fella like you remember from Bush years? Is it tommy17 or Sheep?

No Bush was a bozo it just happens Barry is the biggest on record and some people ain't smart enough to figure it out. Go read some of Ron Pauls thoughts he's not influenced by money and greed.

[stargazer55]

since when does an education in and of itself provide you with a "fair wage"? there are PHD's out there digging ditches to put food on the table. get a grip...

Get a grip? Wow! You really left your fanny out in the breeze on that one!!! If you want to have any credibility, you need to use the overall data and stop picking the exceptions to the rule to make your point.

In case you missed it, the unemployment rate for those with college degrees is 4.5% ( College unemployment rate ) . The rate for others is nearly double & in some cases tripled. As for earning power there's this from the latest census data:

The U.S. Census Bureau has released data proving the substantial value of a college education in the United States. Workers 18 and over sporting bachelors degrees earn an average of $51,206 a year, while those with a high school diploma earn $27,915. But wait, there's more. Workers with an advanced degree make an average of $74,602, and those without a high school diploma average $18,734. Link: Education

Yes, there's no doubt that there are some people out there with degrees & advanced degrees that are unemployed or earning less than their potential. Hence the 4.5 % rate.

In the last month & a half, I hired 25 new employees (interviewing hundreds) and I can guarantee you that, having that degree goes a long way toward not only improving your chances for employment but, also gives you more bargaining power concerning the amount of wages you'll bring in.

Regards

[caz1104]

Policies takes X number of years before the economy will feel the effect.

How long does it take monetary policy to have an effect on the economy?

Businesses and consumers do not normally change their spending plans immediately upon an interest rate change. Businesses must reevaluate, make new decisions and order reductions or expansions in production and expenditures. This means that months pass before spending is affected.

Fiscal policy (changing taxes and government spending) also has a significant lag time. It typically has a long policy lag (the time it takes Congress to approve a tax or spending change) and a short expenditure lag (the time it takes consumers to experience the tax changes and government to change spending). The combined lags may be anywhere from one to almost five years.

Did you think it would come easy or just forgot the situation we came from?

http://rambleandblat...s-the-election/ November 3, 2008

Who ever wins the Election when the dust settles tomorrow night will be the single heir to an inheritance of one huge mess. They will face challenges on a monolithic scale. They will be faced with restoring growth to a faltering economy the likes of which our country has not seen since the dark days before World War II. They will inherit a military fighting wars on two battle fields. One in Iraq and the other in Afghanistan. They will be faced with a budget deficit running close to $500 billion and growing daily. They will be forced by the American people to bring our country back to the figure head status we once held and to move forward as the world’s lone true superpower.

"or just forgot the situation we came from" yes i do remember and do not absolve previous administrations/congress(plural) for the mess we're in. BUT its the job HE chose and the platform he was elected on. He has failed plain and simple.

Edited October 18, 2011 by caz1104

[mojack]

"or just forgot the situation we came from" yes i do remember and do not absolve previous administrations/congress(plural) for the mess we're in. BUT its the job HE chose and the platform he was elected on. He has failed plain and simple.

He's sticking it out - I don't think he's running away. It certainly takes a thick skin. Some successful accomplishments, some failure and some yet to be decided.

Opponents have pledged to force failure in every corner of economics and the current administration. No intentions of creating positive progress for the struggling Americans. That's a disgraceful exercise of government services.

[kiteman]

Go look at the economic graph for the last 3 years. Everythings up 20 to 30% The only jobs being gained in this recession is government. Go read about the 15,000 IRS agents he hired just to help you out on your taxes. And why do we need stimlus to keep police and teachers working bec ause the economy sucks.

No Bush was a bozo it just happens Barry is the biggest on record and some people ain't smart enough to figure it out. Go read some of Ron Pauls thoughts he's not influenced by money and greed.

Did you even look at the graph and link I posted!?? No, you didn't! Because if you would have, you'd see that it was current through September 2011! If I'm not mistaken that includes the last three years.

I'll summarize it again for you since you obviously don't want to look at it and only want to spout your talking points!

Since July 2009, Government employees have gone DOWN about 500,000 jobs! Since July 2009, Private Sector jobs have INCREASED by about 1.6 Million jobs.

[Captjohn]

Since when did disagreement become hate? Hmmmm, that's right, with this administration. Since they can't run on their record, they've got to resort to the politics of personal slander and destruction. But if they do it, it's not hate. I see.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

-Winston Churchill

O'dramma and the Democrats in congress support the Occupy Wall Street crowd. Most of them are Marxist, Socialist and Communist and the rest of them are clueless as to why they are there.

"The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other people's money".

- Margaret Thatcher

[parmenio]

You're joking ..., right?

[caz1104]

He's sticking it out - I don't think he's running away. It certainly takes a thick skin. Some successful accomplishments, some failure and some yet to be decided.

Opponents have pledged to force failure in every corner of economics and the current administration. No intentions of creating positive progress for the struggling Americans. That's a disgraceful exercise of government services.

Seems to be a common theme regardless of who's in power. He squandered 2 years of absolute majority,whats the excuse for that? He's the head cheese and the buck starts/stops with him. Playin the whine/ game does not show class. To be fair I wish the voters would vote all members of the house & senate out of office along with the potus. Allow no more than 2 terms in office and stipulate they are not allowed to be hired as lobbyist after said terms.

Edited October 18, 2011 by caz1104

[detroitjazzman]

Do you have a education that will provide you with a fair wage?????????????Then Use it if you got it If not what are you complaining about???????????

Dont blame America If you did not pay attention in school..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EXACTLY!!!!! or............if you don't like current employment practices.....start your own company...just saying

Edited October 18, 2011 by detroitjazzman

[oneremedy]

[mojack]

Seems to be a common theme regardless of who's in power. He squandered 2 years of absolute majority,whats the excuse for that? He's the head cheese and the buck starts/stops with him. Playin the whine/ game does not show class. To be fair I wish the voters would vote all members of the house & senate out of office along with the potus. Allow no more than 2 terms in office and stipulate they are not allowed to be hired as lobbyist after said terms.

What more do you think he should have or could have done in those 2 years? I think they were pretty busy during that time.

His first two years in office, President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies in Congress compiled a substantial record of policy accomplishment—the economic stimulus, bringing the financial system back from the brink of collapse, rescuing two automakers, universal health care, sweeping reform of financial regulation, and major changes in student loan programs, among many others.

The argument of first 2 years with a Democratic Congress is something blown out there by some media opponents. The Dems were actually consumed with huge financial situations.

Edited October 18, 2011 by mojack

[caz1104]

What more do you think he should have or could have done in those 2 years? I think they were pretty busy during that time.

His first two years in office, President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies in Congress compiled a substantial record of policy accomplishment—the economic stimulus, bringing the financial system back from the brink of collapse, rescuing two automakers, universal health care, sweeping reform of financial regulation, and major changes in student loan programs, among many others.

The argument of first 2 years with a Democratic Congress is something blown out there by some media opponents. The Dems were actually consumed with huge financial situations.

blah,blah,blah, tell that to the unemployed and see what they think. Again the whine/blame game,seems to be a left strategy when nothing is accomplished,or policies fail.

[mojack]

blah,blah,blah, tell that to the unemployed and see what they think. Again the whine/blame game,seems to be a left strategy when nothing is accomplished,or policies fail.

Blame? What the xxxx did you read? I answered your question about the first 2 years.

You've got to deal with what's in front of you.

Some are leaders - some are followers! Followers wouldn't understand the dynamics of a situation and believes everything can be done with the swoop of finger. Arguments, due diligence and decisions take time.

His first two years in office; - the economic stimulus, bringing the financial system back from the brink of collapse, rescuing two automakers, universal health care, sweeping reform of financial regulation, and major changes in student loan programs, among many others.

Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=post&section=post&do=reply_post&f=7&t=87975&qpid=708577#ixzz1b8yoc1bw

[caz1104]

Blame? What the xxxx did you read? I answered your question about the first 2 years.

You've got to deal with what's in front of you.

Some are leaders - some are followers! Followers wouldn't understand the dynamics of a situation and believes everything can be done with the swoop of finger. Arguments, due diligence and decisions take time.

His first two years in office; - the economic stimulus, bringing the financial system back from the brink of collapse, rescuing two automakers, universal health care, sweeping reform of financial regulation, and major changes in student loan programs, among many others.

Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=post&section=post&do=reply_post&f=7&t=87975&qpid=708577#ixzz1b8yoc1bw

So now you resort to talking down to those that don't believe the same as you? Now thats class. I understand perfectly the dynamics of the situation. Tell us again the gains this country has seen due the stimulus package,universal health care,and from rescuing the two major automotive unions? This should be interesting, then please explain the gains our country has seen and will see now that our deficit has been corrected? Oh wait it has'nt and won't for decades to come if ever. Obama has done enough positives in his short time as potus,can we really afford 4 more years?

[mojack]

So now you resort to talking down to those that don't believe the same as you? Now thats class. I understand perfectly the dynamics of the situation. Tell us again the gains this country has seen due the stimulus package,universal health care,and from rescuing the two major automotive unions? This should be interesting, then please explain the gains our country has seen and will see now that our deficit has been corrected? Oh wait it has'nt and won't for decades to come if ever. Obama has done enough positives in his short time as potus,can we really afford 4 more years?

Talking down to you caz where even a caveman would understand! If you believe you fit in the "follower" category then that's your choice!

Don't make unfair accusations like this and I won't be condescending: "whine/blame game,seems to be a left strategy when nothing is accomplished."

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BTW: Don't ask if you understand the dynamics. We all have opinions.

[DinarMillionaire]

Blame? What the xxxx did you read? I answered your question about the first 2 years.

You've got to deal with what's in front of you.

Some are leaders - some are followers! Followers wouldn't understand the dynamics of a situation and believes everything can be done with the swoop of finger. Arguments, due diligence and decisions take time.

His first two years in office; - the economic stimulus, bringing the financial system back from the brink of collapse, rescuing two automakers, universal health care, sweeping reform of financial regulation, and major changes in student loan programs, among many others.

Mojack, what is your take on the Solyndra scandal, where the Obama administration has rearranged the contracts, more than a half a billion dollars, to make sure the private investors (Obama donors) are paid back before the American taxpayers?

And, what do you think of the Obama InJustice Department, Eric Holder, fabricating a gun running scam on America to undermine the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution, to impose more gun laws on law abiding citizens? And how do you feel that American citizens have died because of it?

[caz1104]

Talking down to you caz where even a caveman would understand! If you believe you fit in the "follower" category then that's your choice!

Don't make unfair accusations like this and I won't be condescending: "whine/blame game,seems to be a left strategy when nothing is accomplished."

Read more:

BTW: Don't ask if you understand the dynamics. We all have opinions.

My god man do u even read what u question? I threw u a bone when I made that post,u for some reason u don't believe Obama should be accountable for his poor decisions,now thats leadership. Leadership thats put us right where we are at. Discussion closed until u are willing to remove the blinders.

Edited October 18, 2011 by caz1104