The Real Story On The Dinar!

[FrankieV]

Billions over Baghdad

09/15/2011

(Dinar Recaps Ed: This emailed to us from Dave. Not sure of the origins or validity of the claims stated.)

For those doubting the validity of the upcoming revaluation of the Iraqi dinar, feel free to pass this on to them:

The article below, Billions over Baghdad, written by John B. Taylor, under secretary of the Treasury from 2001 to 2005, and the author of “Global Financial Warriors”, is a concise explanation of the beginnings of the plan to devalue, print a new dinar currency, then revalue (RV) the Iraqi dinar. It was first conceived by Cheney & Greenspan, et al, and then put into action before the first shot was ever fired in the Iraqi War. It also gives credibility to GW Bush when he expressed many times as to how this war would pay for itself, namelyOIL. Iraqi oil at less than $33/barrel coming to the USA.

The 3-5 trillion Iraqi dinar currently held by the US treasury will be returned to Iraq beginning 6 months from now in exchange for oil at the lower price. This, in part, is how Iraq will finance this revaluation. One barrel of oil will cost the US roughly 6 dinar currently held by the US Treasury. That barrel of oil actually costs Iraq from $1.00 to 4.00 to produce. This equates to approximately $.20 to $.50 per dinar (not the $4+ connected to the upcoming RV). Spread the costs of this exchange of dinar for oil out over several years or decades amidst the back and forth commerce of unprecedented proportions between the two countries, and it is clear that the actual costs of dinar for oil will hardly be felt at all.

Bottom line is this: The events in Iraq are part of a long standing plan. Now, over 2 million Americans hold an average of 1 million dinar.

Let's do some first grade math here, folks. According to this person, the UST has 3-5 trillion and American speculators have 2 trillion (which in this scenario will presumably end up in the hands of the UST when they cash in and become overnight millionaires).

That's 5-7 trillion. He says one barrel of oil will cost us 6 of those dinar held by the UST.

5-7 trillion dinar divided by 6 dinar per barrel = between 833 billion and 1,167 billion barrels of oil.

Iraqs known reserves = around 150 billion barrels.

What else are we going to buy from them? Sand?

Obviously false garbage like this shouldn't be spread around forums. The original post is as bad as the guru nonsense, it's complete bunk, and VERY obviously so.

[Sanssouci]

Fantasy RULZ!

So does PORN!

Yes we do not wanna start any conspiracies as we are already grouped together and thought of as a clan to get people to sell their dinar back

I cant remember though who our ring leader is....

Regardless, your constant negativity goes to serve the purpose of someone, somewhere. Hypothetically speaking, I would liken the situation to agents of an insurance company working toward the interest of reducing the number of claimants to a certain policy or class action litigation. In this case, it would be in the interest of the Rothschilds, who own the Central Bank of Iraq, to utilize people like yourself to reduce the number of revaluation benefactors, targeting first and foremost those who are completely new to the usual machinations of currency speculation.

Edited September 16, 2011 by Sanssouci

[xyzzy]

[. In this case, it would be in the interest of the Rothschilds, who own the Central Bank of Iraq, to utilize people like yourself to reduce the number of revaluation benefactors, targeting first and foremost those who are completely new to the usual machinations of currency speculation.

Uh oh, a Jewish family owning the Iraq central bank, better not tell the Iraqis!! LOL!! :lol: You have one wild imagination.

[Sanssouci]

Uh oh, a Jewish family owning the Iraq central bank, better not tell the Iraqis!! LOL!! :lol: You have one wild imagination.

The denial always comes first. I said nothing about them being "Jewish." I leave that for others to ponder. Besides, where have you been? The Rothschild family owns every central bank in the world.

Edited September 16, 2011 by Sanssouci

[xyzzy]

The denial always comes first.

Huh?

I said nothing about them being "Jewish." I leave that for others to ponder.

There is nothing to ponder its a simple fact of family history.

Besides, where have you been? The Rothschild family owns every central bank in the world.

Yes of course, and the aliens that vist you every night have verified this!! :lol:

[Sanssouci]

Uh oh, a Jewish family owning the Iraq central bank, better not tell the Iraqis!! LOL!! :lol: You have one wild imagination.

It is you with the wild imagination. The Rothschild family owns every central bank in the world. Elsewhere in this forum, a poster referred to the ire of Jacob Rothschild at the prospect of Nuri al-Maliki's alleged desire to overthrow Sinan al-Shabibi. I am merely stating a fairly well-known fact - that the Rothschild family owns every central bank in the world. Mine is neither the propensity to spot nor the need to identify an anti-Semite behind every rock or tree.

Edited September 16, 2011 by Sanssouci

[FrankieV]

So does PORN!

Regardless, your constant negativity goes to serve the purpose of someone, somewhere. Hypothetically speaking, I would liken the situation to agents of an insurance company working toward the interest of reducing the number of claimants to a certain policy or class action litigation. In this case, it would be in the interest of the Rothschilds, who own the Central Bank of Iraq, to utilize people like yourself to reduce the number of revaluation benefactors, targeting first and foremost those who are completely new to the usual machinations of currency speculation.

You think if someone sells their dinar back to Dinar Banker (or on eBay) that it goes back to Iraq and into the CBI? That's ridiculous. Anyone that gets out of the dinar game their dinar is either going to go straight into the hands of another currency speculator or it's going to go through one of the dinar dealers and THEN into the hands of another currency speculator.

It wouldn't make a bit of difference to the CBI, or the Rothschilds, or Iraq. It's obvious.

[Sanssouci]

You think if someone sells their dinar back to Dinar Banker (or on eBay) that it goes back to Iraq and into the CBI? That's ridiculous.

No, it has already been established that that is the ultimate end game. I firmly believe that it was not originally intended for ordinary Americans like me to ever know about this opportunity.

Anyone that gets out of the dinar game their dinar is either going to go straight into the hands of another currency speculator or it's going to go through one of the dinar dealers and THEN into the hands of another currency speculator.

It wouldn't make a bit of difference to the CBI, or the Rothschilds, or Iraq. It's obvious.

It is anything but obvious. All three of the entities you name - the CBI, the Rothschilds, and Iraq, have an interest in getting dinar out of the hands of speculators.

Edited September 16, 2011 by Sanssouci

[xyzzy]

I am merely stating a fairly well-known fact - that the Rothschild family owns every central bank in the world.

Oh please. There are certainly widely accept assertions, but they are not "facts". For those who would like to see a discusion debunking the (in my view silly) notion that the Rothchilds own the US Federal reserve: http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-ownership I don't wish to sidetrack this thread on this discussion, I just want to offer a different view when these claimed "facts" are thrown out as if accepted at the same level of confidence as tomorrow's sunrise.

[Sanssouci]

Huh?

First, there is the blanket denial that a "Jewish" family controls the movement of money all over the world, and then usually everyone piles on the individual who just happened to notice the elephant in the room. This ain't my first rodeo.

There is nothing to ponder its a simple fact of family history.

The Rothschilds are "Jewish"- of the more or less atheistic type, but "Jewish" nonetheless. You know it and I know it. Why make an issue of it?

Yes of course, and the aliens that visit you every night have verified this!! :lol:

Be careful not to laugh yourself silly.

Oh please. There are certainly widely accept assertions, but they are not "facts". For those who would like to see a discusion debunking the (in my view silly) notion that the Rothchilds own the US Federal reserve: http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-ownership I don't wish to sidetrack this thread on this discussion, I just want to offer a different view when these claimed "facts" are thrown out as if accepted at the same level of confidence as tomorrow's sunrise.

Okay, it's a widely-accepted assertion. Happy now? I'm sure they're planting a tree for you in Jerusalem at this very moment.

Edited September 16, 2011 by Sanssouci

[Nelg]

Thanks for the post. After reading several post that promote an RD or LOP, I just want to puke. This was refreshing and reminded that this is a good investment. Speculative, but good.

[Laid Back]

Patience and faith......We will be millionaires

[xyzzy]

First, there is the blanket denial that a "Jewish" family controls the movement of money all over the world, and then usually everyone piles on the individual who just happened to notice the elephant in the room. This ain't my first rodeo.

It doesn't have to be denied that one family owns all the central banks in the world, it needs to be verified to be true! A single family owning all the central banks is clearly not obviously true and would be at least very difficult and improbable and thus needs to be shown to be true, not merely assumed to be so. Its a classic fallacy, "the pyramids were built by aliens, prove me wrong". Sorry doesn't work that way.

The Rothschilds are "Jewish"- of the more or less atheistic type, but "Jewish" nonetheless. You know it and I know it. Why make an issue of it?

Because for countries where religion and ethnicity are big factors (like say Japan or Iraq) it makes such ownership even more far fetched.

Be careful not to laugh yourself silly.

You're making it very difficult!

[Sanssouci]

Because for countries where religion and ethnicity are big factors (like say Japan or Iraq) it makes such ownership even more far fetched.

Not at all. The Rothschilds simply appoint the requisite gentile authorities to do the daily business. It's very simple.

Edited September 17, 2011 by Sanssouci

[Jaysonguru1]

go rv

[xyzzy]

Not at all. The Rothschilds simply appoint the requisite gentile authorities to do the daily business. It's very simple.

And the real ownership remains a secret, except that according to you its widely known! I'm not talking about problems in the office, I'm talking about the power players in each country not accepting it.

[Sanssouci]

It doesn't have to be denied that one family owns all the central banks in the world, it needs to be verified to be true! A single family owning all the central banks is clearly not obviously true and would be at least very difficult and improbable and thus needs to be shown to be true, not merely assumed to be so.

Abraham Foxman would beg to differ, I'm afraid.

Its a classic fallacy, "the pyramids were built by aliens, prove me wrong". Sorry doesn't work that way.

And your puerile ripostes don't always work in Grownupland. Your third-grade sense of humor requires an upgrade.

And the real ownership remains a secret, except that according to you its widely known! I'm not talking about problems in the office, I'm talking about the power players in each country not accepting it.

No, I agreed with you that it is only widely asserted.

[MrFnHappy]

Rothschilds aside, I would agree that it is in the interest of the CBI to get dinar out of speculators hands......and the CBI has told us how they intend to do it.

When the CBI RDs, everyone will turn in their dinar, and I would bet only a small percentage will exchange it (if it will even be possible) for the new currency.

Not many will have the intestinal fortitude to absorb the spread on both exchanges, and then be willing to hold on for future gains.

[xyzzy]

And the real ownership remains a secret, except that according to you its widely known! I'm not talking about problems in the office, I'm talking about the power players in each country not accepting it.

No, I agreed with you that it is only widely asserted.

Doesn't matter in this case, if it were true then those most likely to know (the local country power brokers) would be those most likely to not allow it in countries where the old-boy network is very closed and very homogeneous.

[Sanssouci]

Rothschilds aside, I would agree that it is in the interest of the CBI to get dinar out of speculators hands......and the CBI has told us how they intend to do it.

When the CBI RDs, everyone will turn in their dinar, and I would bet only a small percentage will exchange it (if it will even be possible) for the new currency.

Not many will have the intestinal fortitude to absorb the spread on both exchanges, and then be willing to hold on for future gains.

You are quite probably correct, but only based upon your RD assumption. If it goes that way, I would attribute it to the widely-held assertion that the "powers-that-be" never originally intended for us to know about the opportunity, which may very well be why they have turned their sights to Libya. I understand that the Dodd-Frank Bill prohibits anyone with a net worth of less than 10 million dollars from speculating on that situation.

Doesn't matter in this case, if it were true then those most likely to know (the local country power brokers) would be those most likely to not allow it in countries where the old-boy network is very closed and very homogeneous.

Those most likely to know are those most likely to benefit from the secret relationship.

[Spud]

You didnt comprehend what I replied to you on the other thread did you?? Its not all about the money!!

Secondly, if you use your noggin for a moment, you could probly come to the conclusion that even though I think there is a possibility for us to make only a marginal gain, WE DONT KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN!!!! I think there is still a chance that they could pull the rabbit out of the hat and stun us all....is that so hard for you to understand??

If my posts and comments really upset you that much, then stay clear from here.....and you also might want to look deep inside yourself and ask yourself whats wrong if someone else can bother you so much....are you really not very confident in your purchase?? Do you get that upset and whiney when people can clearly prove that alot of what this investment has been founded on is false?? Sheesh....you whine as much as a pregnant female....dont worry about why I am here cause you apparently arent able to understand it after me explaining it so many times....

Here is an idea....just so you can stay in happy land, why dont you just put me on ignore?? Its only a click away!!

It doesnt take a genius to figure this out!! Hit the nail on the head truthful....

And as a matter of fact, why dont you ask the members on the forum to stop postijng the negative articles then?? If thats how its gonna be then I guess we should stop all posting of anything that doesnt equal overnight millionares!!

Its other people that post those articles and which attracts the debates over the RD and its possibilities and what other options Iraq has....

Dude, you are very disrespectful at times. Someone just congratulated you on a new child and then you turn around and tell someone else that they are as whiny as a pregnant female. I hope YOU grow up and stop being such a condescending antagonist! There are other guys like Dalite that belive just like you do and I have NEVER seen them say such immature things. I saw on another persons profile that both you and him got warned by the mods to cool it or he was gonna vote to have both of you kicked of permanently! It's not the message that you have that people don't like, it's the way you say it dude. I am sick of the tone in your posts. Lots of other people are too! I hope having a kid will mello you out. I hope you will treat your new family with more respect that you do the people here.

[Sanssouci]

Dude, you are very disrespectful at times. Someone just congratulated you on a new child and then you turn around and tell someone else that they are as whiny as a pregnant female. I hope YOU grow up and stop being such a condescending antagonist!

I agree with you, and I noticed the comment in question. If xyzzy had not engaged me in a one-hand clapping contest I would have said the same thing as you. Bravo!

[Spud]

I agree with you, and I noticed the comment in question. If xyzzy had not engaged me in a one-hand clapping contest I would have said the same thing as you. Bravo!

Thanks, I want to make money on this thing just a much as the next guy. But I also really don't want to be blind to the fact that we might not make anything of this. I came to DV because all of you guys help keep me level headed about it. THANK YOU!!!! I have a young child and it really pisses me off when is see people that disrespect my family. I hope Keep will feel the same why some day. I really feel that this is a community, non of my friends of family understand the roller coaster ride of the dinar. I LOVE all of the debate that goes on hear at DV! But I am so glad that I don't have to see you people in real life, because I would have lost it on somebody by now!! Lol!

[Sanssouci]

Thanks, I want to make money on this thing just a much as the next guy. But I also really don't want to be blind to the fact that we might not make anything of this. I came to DV because all of you guys help keep me level headed about it. THANK YOU!!!! I have a young child and it really pisses me off when is see people that disrespect my family. I hope Keep will feel the same why some day. I really feel that this is a community, non of my friends of family understand the roller coaster ride of the dinar. I LOVE all of the debate that goes on hear at DV! But I am so glad that I don't have to see you people in real life, because I would have lost it on somebody by now!! Lol!

Indeed. Some members simply cannot bring themselves to argue their points in a sober manner, and treat the necessary subjects with the right amount of seriousness. They must have wandered here from Facebook.

[SurfingTheDinarWave]

i think thers about a 10% chance for an rv but hey theres still a chance. who are you to question why anybodies here. this is america. Keepm can be here for any reason he wants to. sorry if it screws up the kum-by-ya rv circle jerk, just say things to make me feel better crowd. Keepm brings a solid stance to this investment. He brings very probable questions and information to the site. He can debate all day and i know he stills believes theres a chance for an rv with the dinar. but rather than be educated debaters, people would rather anybody who questions this investment be banished, or ask everyday why there here. he is here because he has an interest in the dinar. so move on, and please remember this is an open forum. theres other sites if you only want one sided opinions

Well truthful, your not entirely correct first of all I have been debating with these lopsters for months now and they bring up same tired information or they leave out certain pieces of the information which make their claim and numbers work for their argument but severely miss the point the real numbers are unknown and if they are working back to a modified form of the gold standard is still not known, there a so many variables they can't use any other country in order to determine since history is being written as we watch not ever happened before. Also their numbers based on Turkey are comparing apples to watermelons let alone oranges, Turkey had an exchange rate of 1,800,000 : 1 USD with a 45-38% inflation rate the 2 year prior to what they did and a 542,000 bbp oil daily produced with a population of 74 million and a country debt of 248 billion. they now have an exchange rate of 1.42 : 1 USD

Iraq on the other hand has a 7.1% inflation 32 million people 1170 : 1 USD exchange rate has been very stable for the past 5 years and pumps right now 2.8 bbp oil per day so you see the difference is huge yet they fail to admit that constantly they forget that Iraq has not just their reserves of 58 billion but also 248 billion in DFI funds, plus they are finding all of the accounts that have been stolen by terrorists in the past one with 100 billion was just returned to them. So where as JMW is very good with the guidelines and is very intelligent, Intelligent people are also wrong a lot too it's been proven as to what they have done to our economy here in the US, so my opinion is he closed his mind a long time ago because current events and monetary changes and restructuring is going on right before our eyes, don't believe me the bible says Iraq (AKA Ancient Babylon) will rebuild and become the financial power it once was as the richest country in the world, just remember that, I believe the bible before anyone else!!