LaRouche - a real guru

[Rossenbos]

LaRouche is an extremely interesting economist and philosopher, with a wonderful contrarian world view. I believe people like him ( and Ron Paul) could help us out of this mess. Chuck in some David Icke, some Stuart Wilde and Christopher Houghton Budd and we're talking!

This is an email I received after asking Larouche about his ideas re: the RV and the rate....

"The economy does NOT, NOT, NOT run on money. It runs on human activity, physical productivity, creativity or lack thereof, and actual transformations of the physical universe, for which man is the only creature able to act on that level. The success of the American Revolution, which was intensively studied by certain leading Australian patriots, was based on catalyzing real increases in physical economic productivity, through creative interventions into the physical processes of agriculture, industry and the harnessing of power. Money, at sane moments of our history, was allocated as credit, to spark and support those activities."

Larouche believes that not gold, oil or other reserves back the currency rate but two things: the expected economical ( human) activity in that country in the coming 50 years AND the currency ratios in the countries around Iraq.

Gives us quite an interesting outlook....

[cajunrescuemedic]

Thanks for the post.

[RodandStaff]

"Human Activity" ... hmmmm.... well, if you took into account the number of couch potatoes we have, kids hooked on computer games, and all other sorts of electronic media, the alarming obesity problem we have in this country, the number of folks on the govt. free handouts (when many are capable of working)... I would say it's not looking too good for a high credit rating if "activity" is his criteria...imo!

Edited August 9, 2011 by RodandStaff

[wavggg]

"Human Activity" ... hmmmm.... well, if you took into account the number of couch potatoes we have, kids hooked on computer games, and all other sorts of electronic media, the alarming obesity problem we have in this country, the number of folks on the govt. free handouts (when many are capable of working)... I would say it's not looking too good for a high credit rating if "activity" is his criteria...imo!

Absolutely right Rod! (So is Lyndon)

Yes, when the real wealth (us) of America stopped producing and became "couch-potato - welfare babies" (yes, I classify even CEOs making $10 MIL as "welfare babies because they think its OWED them and they DESERVE IT!), we ourselves started fractionalizing our existing wealth by failing to continuing to contibute more to the pile. We wanted the same work to be able to buy more stuff, so first they gave us raises and made us get used to having more stuff for the same work. Then they pulled back a little and said if we wanted to keep getting more stuff for the same work, we could take out loans. We did and they charged us interest... and it all seemed OK for awhile. Then they pulled our jobs out of the country and told us that it didn't matter if we were unemployed, the bills were due!

The only thing that will save us is for everyone to start a small, unincorporated business that converts human energy into capital, preferably by taking a wasted or ignored physical resource and modifying it to be of greater value to others.

In fairness, Americans were dumbed down through a public mis-education process spearheaded by Carnegie, Mellon & pals starting in the late 20's, a plan which achieved its desired outcome just as you have observed...

gotta go...

-gg

[Dalite]

Unfortunately, we will have to wean ourselves off of cheap imports, and dependency on the rest of the world in order to produce what we once did.

That will cause two points of resistance, which will be necessary to overcome.

First, folks will still insist on the cheaper import, unless proper tariffs are imposed to allow our resumption of manufacturing to compete. Overall result higher prices.

Second, the inflation riding on the money we have sent to foreign countries to pay for their less expensive products will now circulate here, and the inflation that was previously exported, will now give our money loss of buying power.

The higher prices of point one, met with loss of buying powervin point two is a downright hard sell.

I have always enjoyed Lyndon's views.

If we have a cataclysmic event, which forces us to resume self sufficiency, his plan is the way to go.

Unfortunately, folks will not give up bargain hunting, until forced to do so. It is hard to do what is right for the country while you are barely hanging on with the lower cost option.

Iraq has the chance to start from the ground up. If they are able to follow Lyndon's pattern, they will see great wealth and prominence.

If they are able to produce stability, security, and keep the effects of inflation down, their future will be bright.

Absolutely right Rod! (So is Lyndon)

Yes, when the real wealth (us) of America stopped producing and became "couch-potato - welfare babies" (yes, I classify even CEOs making $10 MIL as "welfare babies because they think its OWED them and they DESERVE IT!), we ourselves started fractionalizing our existing wealth by failing to continuing to contibute more to the pile. We wanted the same work to be able to buy more stuff, so first they gave us raises and made us get used to having more stuff for the same work. Then they pulled back a little and said if we wanted to keep getting more stuff for the same work, we could take out loans. We did and they charged us interest... and it all seemed OK for awhile. Then they pulled our jobs out of the country and told us that it didn't matter if we were unemployed, the bills were due!

The only thing that will save us is for everyone to start a small, unincorporated business that converts human energy into capital, preferably by taking a wasted or ignored physical resource and modifying it to be of greater value to others.

In fairness, Americans were dumbed down through a public mis-education process spearheaded by Carnegie, Mellon & pals starting in the late 20's, a plan which achieved its desired outcome just as you have observed...

gotta go...

-gg

[DinarDana]

Unfortunately, we will have to wean ourselves off of cheap imports, and dependency on the rest of the world in order to produce what we once did.

That will cause two points of resistance, which will be necessary to overcome.

First, folks will still insist on the cheaper import, unless proper tariffs are imposed to allow our resumption of manufacturing to compete. Overall result higher prices.

Second, the inflation riding on the money we have sent to foreign countries to pay for their less expensive products will now circulate here, and the inflation that was previously exported, will now give our money loss of buying power.

The higher prices of point one, met with loss of buying powervin point two is a downright hard sell.

I have always enjoyed Lyndon's views.

If we have a cataclysmic event, which forces us to resume self sufficiency, his plan is the way to go.

Unfortunately, folks will not give up bargain hunting, until forced to do so. It is hard to do what is right for the country while you are barely hanging on with the lower cost option.

Iraq has the chance to start from the ground up. If they are able to follow Lyndon's pattern, they will see great wealth and prominence.

If they are able to produce stability, security, and keep the effects of inflation down, their future will be bright.

Good points, I have to agree. For years I have been envisioning how this country needs a cataclysmic event to force us to self-sufficiency. This country needs to become self-reliant. Are dependencies are so great we are close to life-threatening catastrophes. Our food sources alone are at risk, we import most of our food. This country no longer stock piles food as we once did, we have 60% less wheat stock piled as we once did. This is just one example of how we have come to depend on imports. Well I am aware of a community that has a contingency plan in place -

I am energized by innovation and happen to be lucky to live in a area of this country that fosters this kind of thinking, however this is not the norm of America. Iraq is going to have great opportunities, hopefully we as dinar holders have to opportunity to be creative, innovative and motivational...

[bikertrash]

People looking for jobs............................is that activity?

[estewart]

"Human Activity" ... hmmmm.... well, if you took into account the number of couch potatoes we have, kids hooked on computer games, and all other sorts of electronic media, the alarming obesity problem we have in this country, the number of folks on the govt. free handouts (when many are capable of working)... I would say it's not looking too good for a high credit rating if "activity" is his criteria...imo!

BINGO!

Absolutely right Rod! (So is Lyndon)

Yes, when the real wealth (us) of America stopped producing and became "couch-potato - welfare babies" (yes, I classify even CEOs making $10 MIL as "welfare babies because they think its OWED them and they DESERVE IT!), we ourselves started fractionalizing our existing wealth by failing to continuing to contibute more to the pile. We wanted the same work to be able to buy more stuff, so first they gave us raises and made us get used to having more stuff for the same work. Then they pulled back a little and said if we wanted to keep getting more stuff for the same work, we could take out loans. We did and they charged us interest... and it all seemed OK for awhile. Then they pulled our jobs out of the country and told us that it didn't matter if we were unemployed, the bills were due!

The only thing that will save us is for everyone to start a small, unincorporated business that converts human energy into capital, preferably by taking a wasted or ignored physical resource and modifying it to be of greater value to others.

In fairness, Americans were dumbed down through a public mis-education process spearheaded by Carnegie, Mellon & pals starting in the late 20's, a plan which achieved its desired outcome just as you have observed...

gotta go...

-gg

In the days of the Greeks students were taught how to think and reason.

It is not desired by the Powers That Be that modern day young people learn how to think and reason because the government would be eliminated in the morning. Instead, the government and organized religion controled schools only focus on instruction in how to memorizae lists, and students are only tested for being able to do this one thing. And that is all.

[divemaster5734]

LaRouche is an extremely interesting economist and philosopher, with a wonderful contrarian world view. I believe people like him ( and Ron Paul) could help us out of this mess. Chuck in some David Icke, some Stuart Wilde and Christopher Houghton Budd and we're talking!

This is an email I received after asking Larouche about his ideas re: the RV and the rate....

"The economy does NOT, NOT, NOT run on money. It runs on human activity, physical productivity, creativity or lack thereof, and actual transformations of the physical universe, for which man is the only creature able to act on that level. The success of the American Revolution, which was intensively studied by certain leading Australian patriots, was based on catalyzing real increases in physical economic productivity, through creative interventions into the physical processes of agriculture, industry and the harnessing of power. Money, at sane moments of our history, was allocated as credit, to spark and support those activities."

Larouche believes that not gold, oil or other reserves back the currency rate but two things: the expected economical ( human) activity in that country in the coming 50 years AND the currency ratios in the countries around Iraq.

Gives us quite an interesting outlook....

You might want to take a closer look at LaRouche.

I stopped reading his weekly when he started talking about building a road China through Canada and Russia.

He calls Rosevelts "New Deal" the best thing that ever happened to America, and supports a global currency, Free Trade, and the UN controling the world.

The only thing he doesn't agree with is who is controlling the UN now.

He says he can do it better.

Maybe, but he is still preaching total socialism.

He was a huge proponent of the "stimulus" bills, in order to fund new roads, schools, and other public works.

The only problem with that reality is those projects don't go to most small businesses.

They go to the people with the connections to DC.

I went to several Town halls in the Seattle Area, even spent months handing our LaRouche literature.

Then I realized the deception.

LaRouche is a globalist.

He depends on people not understanding part of what he is saying, and flaunts his excellent vocabulary.

Please look at what actually happened with the people he talks about from the 1930's through the 60's.

Roosevelt did NOT restart the economy.

His "New Deal" only made everyone property of the Feds, and put us in debt.

The Hoover Damn project did help, but it was only a tiny portion of the population.

Ron Paul is the polar opposite of LaRouche.

Paul is a constitutional libertarian, major difference.

I'm not sure who I like more, Paul or Herman Cain

Edited August 10, 2011 by divemaster5734

[aliciadogz]

I didn't get it, I must dence.Thanks for post.

[Rossenbos]

Ron Paul is the polar opposite of LaRouche.

Paul is a constitutional libertarian, major difference.

I'm not sure who I like more, Paul or Herman Cain

Thanks.... I will have a closer look!

[Jaxinjersey]

"Who is John Galt?" No other questions, thank you.

[Captjohn]

If we are looking at Iraqi human productivity to underpin the IQD RV, then we are SOL. They have not proven that they can even form and seat a full government in sixteen months, let alone build a national economic infrastructure. At this point in time, if anyone thinks that anything other than proven oil reserves and gold reserves will support a dinar revaluation, they are, IMO, fooling themselves.

Can they get their act together in 50 years? There is little recent precedent to support that notion, and that would have minimal impact on most of our lives.

Edited August 10, 2011 by Captjohn

[The Jonald]

"Human Activity" ... hmmmm.... well, if you took into account the number of couch potatoes we have, kids hooked on computer games, and all other sorts of electronic media, the alarming obesity problem we have in this country, the number of folks on the govt. free handouts (when many are capable of working)... I would say it's not looking too good for a high credit rating if "activity" is his criteria...imo!

ha nice!!

[wavggg]

"Who is John Galt?" No other questions, thank you.

LOL! "The Virtue of Selfishness!"

[OnTheHorizon]

I think I almost prefer the bashing and pumping to this "hybrow" stuff! This is getting really deep.

[anothernewbie]

IMHO, what started our great country on it's 'downward spiral' can be summed up in one five letter word...........N.A.F.T.A.....!

[divemaster5734]

IMHO, what started our great country on it's 'downward spiral' can be summed up in one five letter word...........N.A.F.T.A.....!

Nafta, Cafta, favored nation status, and google FTZ.

FTZ( free trade zones) are in America, they are manufacturing areas filled with foreign nationals without visas. They are subject to international laws. They work for foreign companies.

There are no building codes, no local economy boost as they live on the campus.

The trade zones are so cheap Chinese products can be made here, and they can save on shipping cost.

Americans get cheaper trinkets, and lose even more jobs and machine tool capability

[Dalite]

"Who is John Galt?" No other questions, thank you.

The man who left, but promised to return when the wheels of the world stopped turning.

I don't know about the whole world, but it is looking like we have about drove the wheels off of the US economy.

Where is Midas when you need him?

[Rossenbos]

If we are looking at Iraqi human productivity to underpin the IQD RV, then we are SOL. They have not proven that they can even form and seat a full government in sixteen months, let alone build a national economic infrastructure. At this point in time, if anyone thinks that anything other than proven oil reserves and gold reserves will support a dinar revaluation, they are, IMO, fooling themselves.

Can they get their act together in 50 years? There is little recent precedent to support that notion, and that would have minimal impact on most of our lives.

It's more the activity -economicaly - in Iraq. Doesn't need to be the Iraqi people doing it! If all the Iraqi people are sheep herders and farmers and American companies come in to do the work, it's still seen as Iraq productivity.

Let's face it: this is the place to be in the next 50 years. It's the economical Disney Land!

We're all getting discount vouchers to get in and by creating the rollercoaster rides, we will increase the value of the entrance tickets.

Bad analogy, I know. Dalite, stop even considering bashing me!

Like any company going to the stockmarket for an IPO, you don't go at your peak! You go way before the ramp up and you sell the future.

Similar to this. The future value of Iraq will be built in the rate and that is the "backing" of it. Not gold, silver, oil, gas or any of it.

But the lure of productivity.

[THINK.....]

"Human Activity" ... hmmmm.... well, if you took into account the number of couch potatoes we have, kids hooked on computer games, and all other sorts of electronic media, the alarming obesity problem we have in this country, the number of folks on the govt. free handouts (when many are capable of working)... I would say it's not looking too good for a high credit rating if "activity" is his criteria...imo!

Well you're certainly right so far as the people in this country go, but reading this I got the impression he was speaking of the people in Iraq. The continuing devaluing of the USD may serve to increase the value of the IQD in comparison. Be a hell of a way to realize a profit from our investment, but I'll take whatever I can get.