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FBI Raid On The B H G roup Location?

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Ok it WAS the B H G roup who was raided!

Look at this posted by Brietling!:

Breitling: Hi all

tenmillion: hi Breitling

Breitling: How is everyone

cfast30: curious

JayP: hi breitling!

Breitling: You guys hear about the B H G roup?

tenmillion: everyone is wondering about the B H G roup

Breitling: they got a visit from the Irs this morning

cfast30: i only heard speculation

Breitling: no…. it is true

Breitling: at this point we have no clue why

Breitling: but it is shut down for now

Breitling: and going through an audit

cfast30: ya i saw it was irs related

Breitling: same thing Ali went through

Breitling: so we wait

Breitling: and see

chicosan: B H G roup, or their energy products co?

tenmillion: chico…..it was the commercial energy products business….not the investment business

Breitling: so at this point becaue they were in the same office we dont know which one or if both will be audit

Breitling: has nothing to do with the hedge fund

chicosan: ohhhh same as Ali….?

Breitling: correct chicosan

Breitling: so they just want to look at the numbers

chicosan: any sense of irs motivation?

cfast30: im invested in the dinar … those are two different entities

Breitling: make sure all is up and up reporting

Breitling: well your dinar has nothing to do with the B H G roup and tax issues

Breitling: so your safe

cfast30: right

cfast30: it sounds like a technical glitch

Breitling: so at this point because they were in the same office we dont know which one or if both will be audited

Breitling: Brad has been charged with nothing

Breitling: they want to see the books

cfast30: thats what i would think brietling

chicosan: ahhh… man. Brad has a big headache, and a nasty pr shadow now…

Breitling: lol he does

Breitling: but i am sure he will overcome

kmiller68: and the gurus will have a field day

Breitling: let them

chicosan: those agencies have rough tactics and cast a big shadow.

Breitling: let the liers and people who spin get used by doing evil unto good men

Breitling: spreading rumors and lies

Breitling: let them

kmiller68: i remember how much carp went around about ali when it wasnt true

chicosan: the onus is hard to shed, even or especially when innocent!

Breitling: very true chicosan

Breitling: but going to have to go down that road

Breitling: so lets see

Breitling: i am heading out

Breitling: talk to ya all later

tenmillion: thank you for coming in and explaining!

kmiller68: thanks breit

JayP: cya breitling.. thank you!

Breitling: i hear anything i will pass it on ok!

chicosan: cya breitling – thanks!

libertybell: ty for stopping in to give us the scoop

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It's funny that you picked that one as an alternative because the guy that started the B* Group is partnered in that company, according to another site's 'About Us' page on their website. :lol:

I have no real knowledge of either group or company. That was just mere coincidence. I said that because I have seen many energy, oil, & gas companies raided by the IRS, FBI and SEC often at the same time for the reasons I stated. Plus fraud and some others. Well that just makes it more interesting.

no it has nothing to do with shares because if it was you would hear about the SEC in the news article, not the IRS

duh

Easy Aqua Dude "duh', I'm no investment specialist or expert in fraud and SEC violations. Just stating things I've seen before. If I didn't get it completely correct please pardon me.

This site has gotten to be seriously disrespectful.

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Lets not jump to conclusions. The Federal government and IRS in particular are out of control. I'm not going to judge anyone until I hear the whole story.

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Hey DT and wpsmit ?????? Weren't they at the infamous dinar summitt a couple of weeks ago ??? Didn't a couple of other guys like R from DD and I'm pretty sure Scooter also??? Let me know if I'm wrong about this Thanks

Yes it's in coolbeans Post #12 in this thread.

Thx for the Breitling update coolbeans. B)

Special Shout Out to design interrupted, Quitlearner, Hopeful Txn, and Aqua Dude. ;)

U Guys r like an Episode of CSI, the way u piece it Together ! :D

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Easy Aqua Dude "duh', I'm no investment specialist or expert in fraud and SEC violations. Just stating things I've seen before. If I didn't get it completely correct please pardon me.

This site has gotten to be seriously disrespectful.

sry bro, no hard feelings meant

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IRS does not just raid places because they want to do an audit. They will serve you with notice to come in and bring your books if they want to conduct an audit. Whichever business or buisnesses they raided has more to do with it than just some audit.

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Being a business partner to one of the-B-H-Group leaders in another business unrelated to the Dinar, I can vouch for the stature and character of this man. He is of upright character, and would not even think about doing something that's questionable or shady. Neither would he partner with other men that are out there to scam others, or participate in shady business dealings. Charlie, Brad, and the others of the-B-H-group are good men.

When something of this magnitude happens to a reputable Dinar dealer, like the-B-H-Group, people are going to speculate and talk, causing rumors that nobody can prove. Remember all the rumors that were flying around when Ali from Dinar Trade closed his offices? They were lies! C'mon folks. The bottom line is, there are a few people (and you know who you are) out there for blood, trying to scare you and others about this investment. Like sharks swimming around a wounded predator, they're out there spreading malicious lies about people and groups of people, waiting for their chance to attack. Unfortunately, there are those so insecure about their dinar investment, that will believe anything negative that's said about the dinar and the pending RV. It's amazing they even invested in the first place. They get so frustrated that we haven't seen an RV already, so they think it must be a scam. What a shame.

Be strong and of good courage folks. I'm confident that The-B-H-Group will be vindicated in the end.

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Thanks DT, I guess I should of read a little better..... My mind went off on it's own :o:o:o

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Hey DT and wpsmit ?????? Weren't they at the infamous dinar summitt a couple of weeks ago ??? Didn't a couple of other guys like R from DD and I'm pretty sure Scooter also??? Let me know if I'm wrong about this Thanks

best info i could find Shelley:

Gonna be Roger, Brietling, Rudy, Frank, Tony Renfrow, Brad Hubner, Charlie E, and Ty..Ali cancelled. They want to solicite info from known website folks before they launch the new BH hedge fund website July 27 in Toledo Ohio.

The another site, 17 N. St. Clair Street, 2nd Floor, Toledo, OH 43604

Basically everyone that was gonna run cash in centers. I know they are pumping all the new IRS centers that open this weekend, but sorry no tie to the RV folks.

OOPS! DIDN'T SEE THE PREVIOUS POST. SORRY

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IRS does not just raid places because they want to do an audit. They will serve you with notice to come in and bring your books if they want to conduct an audit. Whichever business or buisnesses they raided has more to do with it than just some audit.

HERE HERE

I 2nd that

exactly what i was thinking...i think someone is trying to cover their blogtalk!!!!

pheonix is great.....gimme shelter radio...look it up

Being a business partner to one of the-B-H-Group leaders in another business unrelated to the Dinar, I can vouch for the stature and character of this man. He is of upright character, and would not even think about doing something that's questionable or shady. Neither would he partner with other men that are out there to scam others, or participate in shady business dealings. Charlie, Brad, and the others of the-B-H-group are good men.

When something of this magnitude happens to a reputable Dinar dealer, like the-B-H-Group, people are going to speculate and talk, causing rumors that nobody can prove. Remember all the rumors that were flying around when Ali from Dinar Trade closed his offices? They were lies! C'mon folks. The bottom line is, there are a few people (and you know who you are) out there for blood, trying to scare you and others about this investment. Like sharks swimming around a wounded predator, they're out there spreading malicious lies about people and groups of people, waiting for their chance to attack. Unfortunately, there are those so insecure about their dinar investment, that will believe anything negative that's said about the dinar and the pending RV. It's amazing they even invested in the first place. They get so frustrated that we haven't seen an RV already, so they think it must be a scam. What a shame.

Be strong and of good courage folks. I'm confident that The-B-H-Group will be vindicated in the end.

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The B - Group sells dinar. The IRS has the FBI raid their offices. Looks like somebody has tax problems. It was stipulated in no uncertain terms in a thread last week that a complaint was filed, and now we are to believe that it might not be them that the FBI raided. I believe that IQD speculators here at DV have more common sense then to believe that it isn't the - H Group that was raided. Didn't I see a post earlier that Blaino is having some problems as well. I wonder who else involved in the "secret meeting" is going to have those black vehicles pull up out front?

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Thanks so much Wpsmit.... DT already pointed out the posts I zoomed by :rolleyes: Thanks for your help

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phew...right when i was thinking about selling coupon codes for dinars that nobody knows about other than computer genuies like the leather wearing lady on three wheels

:blink::lol::blink::lol::blink::lol::blink::lol::blink::lol:

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This site has gotten to be seriously disrespectful.

I completely agree, there are some wise minds with years of experience, that don't comment or post any longer. I miss the educated debates!

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This is what I found in another news article:

TOLEDO, Ohio (WTVG) -- FBI agents raided a business in downtown near Fifth Third Field.

The business isin the upper level of a building that borders Fifth Third Field above Frickers. Again, the place was upstairs from the restaurant, and not connected to the business.

Around 12:30, we spotted FBI agents' vehicles. According to a source, they were inside the second-floor office of Commercial Energy Products. We're also told the raid may have been issued by the IRS.

So far, we have nothing confirmed. As of 5:00pm Wednesday, we're still waiting to hear from the FBI.

We'll bring you details as they become available.

(Copyright ©2011 WTVG-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)

EDIT:

This saga is continued at the following thread: BH Group Indicted for Money laundering, wire fraud, etc

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Being a business partner to one of the-B-H-Group leaders in another business unrelated to the Dinar, I can vouch for the stature and character of this man. He is of upright character, and would not even think about doing something that's questionable or shady. Neither would he partner with other men that are out there to scam others, or participate in shady business dealings. Charlie, Brad, and the others of the-B-H-group are good men.

When something of this magnitude happens to a reputable Dinar dealer, like the-B-H-Group, people are going to speculate and talk, causing rumors that nobody can prove. Remember all the rumors that were flying around when Ali from Dinar Trade closed his offices? They were lies! C'mon folks. The bottom line is, there are a few people (and you know who you are) out there for blood, trying to scare you and others about this investment. Like sharks swimming around a wounded predator, they're out there spreading malicious lies about people and groups of people, waiting for their chance to attack. Unfortunately, there are those so insecure about their dinar investment, that will believe anything negative that's said about the dinar and the pending RV. It's amazing they even invested in the first place. They get so frustrated that we haven't seen an RV already, so they think it must be a scam. What a shame.

Be strong and of good courage folks. I'm confident that The-B-H-Group will be vindicated in the end.

It would appear that not all share your same view.

Found elsewhere:

"Thank you all for your kind attention. I knew coming in that how the another site (the dinar dealer) was operating was illegal, my question was more about what statute(s) are they in violation of. Is there any case law that can be cited?

Rereading what I posted above I should have been more clear on one point, there are two different groups at play here. One is the dinar dealer with the website and the weekly conference calls and the other is a low rent con artist who pretends to be a financial expert on those calls and claims to be setting up the "post RV" hedge fund. Last week I sent the dinar dealer the following e-mail: (Gratuitous website plug)

Greetings Mr. Huebner,

On this weeks another site call you delivered a challenge to the individuals who were calling Rudolph (this person was banned and is an off limits topic.'s integrity into question and I'm taking you up on it. Before I explain let me make one thing perfectly clear, unlike most of Rudy's critics I am not involved in the dinar scene. I do not buy them, sell them or market any dinar related services. It may seem like a strange hoby, but I'm a connoisseur of con artists and am sure Rudy is just that.

I don't recall just now what I was looking into when I first encountered Rudy but within moments of hearing him speak I knew he was a player. As I kept the interview playing in one browser window I was digging into his story in another. Needless to say his story doesn't hold together and let me show you why.

First of all his most important claim, that he was a VP at JP Morgan Chase in charge of a 500 million dollar portfolio is provably false and for more than one reason. First of all if he was working as a principle in a brokerage he would need to be licensed to do so, this is a point I'll return to but for the moment let me give you links to a couple websites. The first is FINRA BrokerCheck and the second is the SEC's Investment Adviser Search page. If anyone by the name Rudolph (this person was banned and is an off limits topic. was licensed to sell securities in any of the 50 states and within the last decade, it would show up in those databases. But it doesn't.

Also, several time when relating the JPM story Rudy makes mention that he left that position in 2005 for health reasons, he needed a liver transplant. This part of the story is absolutely true, he was living in Temecula California and later moved to Florida because the availability of donor organs was much greater than in California. I've never met Rudy or Maribel but I believe you have, can you tell me if the photo accompanying this 2005 newspaper story is indeed them? I'm quite positive it is.

I find it interesting that the story is not about a wealthy man with the sort of health insurance a VP at a major investment firm is sure to have, it's a rather touching story about a community coming together to help out an unemployed father of four. Before and after his transplant Rudy was a sub prime mortgage broker and if the housing market didn't tank he'd still be selling no doc loans.

Is that Rudy's only lie? Hardly. He postures himself as some sort of successful investment adviser, on one of your calls Mr. Emmenecker asked Rudy a transparently planned question about his financial situation. Rudy replied that he didn't need the dinar to RV that he and his family were already "quite blessed" in that regard. As to him being any sort of investment adviser you already searched for his name in the federal databases, just to touch all bases look to see if Rudy has any sort of license to sell securities or even to charge for investment advice in the State of Florida. He isn't, is he?

OK, so he isn't a broker or investment adviser is there any reason to suspect he isn't as wealthy as he claims? Of course there is. Go to the Duval County Clerk of courts website, Perhaps data mining isn't you strong suit, I have a lot of practice with it so let me just give you a few of the better links. Here is his IRS tax lien, he and his wife still owe better than 22 grand for the 2007 tax year. He has a sorta on again off again battle with foreclosure and I believe Florida is one of those states where a judge needs to sign an order before the bank can repossess a vehicle and the 6th of this month a judge did just that to Rudy. Hey, the good thing is we finally have proof of a relationship between Rudy and JP Morgan Chase, they were the bank holding the loan Rudy defaulted on.

Let me recap, Rudy never worked for JPM, he's never been licensed to sell investments of any kind and prior to finding someone to help sell his imaginary hedge fund he was close to dirt broke. Mr.Huebner let me tell you something about con artists, they make you feel good about yourself. They have that personal touch that honest sales persons would kill for, the whole Dale Carnegie deal down flat. They push the right buttons to make you feel smart and for you to feel so special that you never stop to ask important questions at the right time. Today, your professional reputation is tied tightly to one Rudolph (this person was banned and is an off limits topic. and you don't know him nearly as well as you should.

I help run a web forum, RealScam.com. I started a discussion about you and Rudy a while ago, in case you've never seen it you can find it here. Rudy isn't the only one I've done some digging on but honestly, I can't get a solid read on you. I'm tempted to think you might be something like a victim here. Rudy leaves a trail of slime that easy for someone like me to spot, you don't seem to. So in responding to the challenge you issued on your recent call for proof of claims against Rudy, I feel I've done that. So I'm issuing a challenge of my own. Respond to this letter publicly. I will post it in it's entirety in the discussion thread linked above and hope that you will either tell me how what I've said is incorrect or after verifying this information for yourself, what you and the another site will do about it.

And thank you sir for your time in reading this.

I did get a reply and though it's too soon to say for sure I believe I made some impact. He requested that I not disclose his reply and for a short period of time I'm honoring that request. I could very easily be wrong but I don't think he knew about Rudolph (this person was banned and is an off limits topic.'s background and I think he might be intending to do the right thing here.

Basic web searches to turn up the links I did on Rudy are within my skill set and let's face it, it isn't all that hard to pick a low rent con artist's cover story apart. But finding links to relevant statutes and applicable court decisions is not my strong suit. I have recommended that the dinar dealer consult an attorney who's practice includes securities law and if he does I'm sure he'll be informed that how he's running his buisness isn't legal. But if due diligence was his strong suit he wouldn't be partnered with Rudy in the first place. I'd like to provide him with something more concrete than even a very well formed opinion."

Link: http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?t=7376

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Is Adam in any danger from these guys? Seems to be spreading all around dinar related businesses.

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Josh Comstock, thxs for posting your point of view. Some like murder mysteries, others love stories, but a majority like a good drama.

People will formulate there own opinions which is OK. Myself? well I tend to give the benefit of the doubt till proven other wise.

pp

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This is what happens when people tell Info that they are not suppose to (hence secret Intel )

Event-how most of the people on these sites dont know jack there are some that talk about things that they just should not know about............... :unsure:

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Well anit this a kick in the gonads. This whole deal maybe one big scam. Guess I will have to get co. attorney in on this, and start my investigation. I will say this, nobody twisted my arm to get involved in this deal.

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Well anit this a kick in the gonads. This whole deal maybe one big scam. Guess I will have to get co. attorney in on this, and start my investigation. I will say this, nobody twisted my arm to get involved in this deal.

Dinar is not a scam.......... BUT insider trading is a B!&%h

if somebody tells you something from a bank ,investment firm ,or securities office I would suggest you keep it to your self ............. :ph34r:

O and pay the tax don't try to take it off shore

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Coolbeans,

Why did you leave out the RUDY - DUI, Domestic Violence, and Driving with stolen plates charges in Florida.... ????

Was that intentionally omitted?

Can you please elaborate a little? I am sure most do not know what your referring to. If they do, then I must lead a very sheltered life.

TY, pp

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