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Yes..A great problem is coming (under statement here )...The RV MAY postpone it..hopefully it will happen before the change..and yes unfortunately there will be blood in the streets in America...then what happens ? I don't know yet.just saying.

All the money,debt,etc charts are now going vertical...passing the point of no return..scary..this system cannot be sustained forever..Thats a fact. :(

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This has to be the biggest line of of the bs..

I don't want to appear, that i am bashing the author,

but, this is the line of thinking of the socialist czars that our president has surrounded himself with

as econimist and green people and EPA department heads he has in place.. ITS CALLED SOCIALISM..

This my friend IS exaclty what our govenment wants to do..

It is called" CHANGE" the exact thing Obama ran his whole campaign on..

Break the bank so he can create a new bank..

Look at what OBAMA is doing NOT at what he is saying..

I will gladly give back all my dinar to keep that from happening..

CHANGE EQUALS S O C I A L I S M...

Some of us here voted for this man.. Thats fine, he won..

BUT now you know his dirty little truths so wake up and now vote him OUT..

JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION..

God help us all..

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I too have read all this as well, very nice research. For me though sadly I want to hold onto America, Keep her powerful and mighty. I cannot Bare the thought of America falling I truly believe if that were to happen I would fall as well, all my hopes and dreams everything I believe and have fought for is here in the heart of this great country America. Peace. JMO. :(

I WOULD EXCHANGE IN CANADA!!! :P:P:P

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There's something wrong with my country. I've sensed that for years and couldn't quite understand why. Repubs and Dems seem the same. I'm always voting for the lesser of two evils, but still evil. I joined the Tea Party Patriots and became a coordinator. We fought voter fraud, Barbara Boxer, CAPnTRADE, the DREAM and PATRIOT ACT. It sometimes seems useless. Ya support a conservative who votes and acts liberal. I've debated many Tea Party folks about their support of RINOS (Repub-in-name-only).

Support Meg Whitman? NO WAY! Jerry Brown? AHHHHH! The Tea Party is on the right track, but is often blind with their "RAH-RAH" mentality. Then I found the Republic of the United States. This group was able to tear the false facade away from my understanding of our country's dilemma. I found that we are slaves in a De Facto corporation and it feels that way. I found the Federal Reserve is not Federal and there isn't any reserve. The FR keeps us indentured servants to Banks by practicing fractional lending in which we buy a house and pay for it 10 times over in interest and the FR re-loans it to 10 more slaves. There is no law that forces us to pay income tax, yet try not paying and see how fast they take everything you own and place you in debtors prison.

We're on a precipice..teetering on collapse. We just can't live this way of fiscal irresponsibility. We give our Freedom away freely because we haven't earned it. We gave our sovereignty away and don't realize it. We ignore our Founding Fathers simple wisdom. We are blinded by greed. The only hope I've found to restore our country's strength and wealth of natural resources, Freedom and Liberty is to join the Republic. It might be too late, but I will not die on my knees. I will not be a slave to the De Facto any more. Those who disregard the obvious are doomed to slavery and socialism. It's time to pick a side...the De Facto corporation or the De Jure common law. Sink or swim?

Ben Franklin said..."We've given you a Republic...if you can keep it!"

http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/node/4

PS: I find it interesting that the Republic is aware of the importance of the Dinar RV. This is how I found out about this investment we're in and lends credence to the reality that the RV will happen soon.

I looked at your link. Says nothing about Dinar...

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I do not believe you are too far off...With that being said...I believe the euro will fall 1st and some 2-3 weeks later the dollar falls..Notice China has positioned her self with aprox. about 800-billion t-bills and aprox.around 1.4 trillion in euro bailouts...Having said this.....China also has to have a buyer of their products....which is hurting them because of the sum of the situation...Now one might say they could raise the peoples wages to become the buyer they need...In this.. i do not feel there is enough time for this change to take place....to quench the enormous buying demands of their economic engine...So to sum up my thoughts...I would say..watch what CHINA does...Both the usd and euro are at their mercies if you will...

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Traders ‘short’ dollar as currency loses attraction

By Peter Garnham in London

Published: March 6 2011 20:10 | Last updated: March 6 2011 20:10

Hedge funds and forex dealers are betting record amounts against the dollar, reflecting a growing belief that the US currency has lost its haven appeal and that eurozone interest rates will soon rise.

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There's something wrong with my country. I've sensed that for years and couldn't quite understand why. Repubs and Dems seem the same. I'm always voting for the lesser of two evils, but still evil. I joined the Tea Party Patriots and became a coordinator. We fought voter fraud, Barbara Boxer, CAPnTRADE, the DREAM and PATRIOT ACT. It sometimes seems useless. Ya support a conservative who votes and acts liberal. I've debated many Tea Party folks about their support of RINOS (Repub-in-name-only).

Support Meg Whitman? NO WAY! Jerry Brown? AHHHHH! The Tea Party is on the right track, but is often blind with their "RAH-RAH" mentality. Then I found the Republic of the United States. This group was able to tear the false facade away from my understanding of our country's dilemma. I found that we are slaves in a De Facto corporation and it feels that way. I found the Federal Reserve is not Federal and there isn't any reserve. The FR keeps us indentured servants to Banks by practicing fractional lending in which we buy a house and pay for it 10 times over in interest and the FR re-loans it to 10 more slaves. There is no law that forces us to pay income tax, yet try not paying and see how fast they take everything you own and place you in debtors prison.

We're on a precipice..teetering on collapse. We just can't live this way of fiscal irresponsibility. We give our Freedom away freely because we haven't earned it. We gave our sovereignty away and don't realize it. We ignore our Founding Fathers simple wisdom. We are blinded by greed. The only hope I've found to restore our country's strength and wealth of natural resources, Freedom and Liberty is to join the Republic. It might be too late, but I will not die on my knees. I will not be a slave to the De Facto any more. Those who disregard the obvious are doomed to slavery and socialism. It's time to pick a side...the De Facto corporation or the De Jure common law. Sink or swim?

Ben Franklin said..."We've given you a Republic...if you can keep it!"

http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/node/4

PS: I find it interesting that the Republic is aware of the importance of the Dinar RV. This is how I found out about this investment we're in and lends credence to the reality that the RV will happen soon.

very well said , i have fought the IRS face to face about no laws requiring us to pay taxes , i did this for 7 years , and never paid 1 cent , it was an ongoing battle of which i pay now but was never penalized differently learned alot

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Dinarded is full or turkey dust. If the dollar weakens the RV should be higher snce it will be based on the value of the dollar against the dinar. The cheaper the dollar the higher the number. That is simple. The Fact that France want it chaged has nothing to do with money, it has to do with power. The socialist wimp French have been envious of us and jealous/resentful because they are basically cowards and worthless human beings. Twice we have saved their asses from total destruction and the resent that. They are so socialist that they probably would prefer to be German citizens, Lord knows they had the biggest bunch of collaberators in both wars. Of course our problem is that the president is one of them and he would like to see us French and all the rest of the freakin Libs want us to be like Europe. Reminds me of the revolution where only 25% of true Americans fought the British. The rest were perfectly happy to be slaves to Britain. Do you know what will happen if our dollar collapses enough to lose its status as the international currency? The world will quickly go into world war because there will be nobody to stop it and there are plenty Chavez type people to start it. God save the USA or I won't have anywhere to go and neither will you, and we won't be able to stay here. The Europed ****-heads will take our guns and then put us in camps. Boy are they in for a surprise. As soon as we lose our guns and get put in camps, the libs will get killed by the Muslims who want us to think they are peaceful good Americans. That is bigger BS than some of the posts about RV. They are out to kill us and will have nobody to stop them if we partiots and warriors are locked up and disarmed. We are the last bastion of freedom. Everyone else is only kidding themselves into believing that a socialist is free. Go RV so I can get the hell out of here before it's too late to get out of anywhere..

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Great debate folks. I am not sure it has anything to do with the dollar falling other than timing. It is obvious we are in trouble and the politicians are too busy appeasing corporate America and pretending to do the right thing for their constituents. "They" are all about change as long as nothing changes in their district. I can't remember the last time we had a good leader that can stand up to his/her critics to do the right thing even if it is against his own constituency's wishes. Our founding fathers didn't just listen to the people. They were visionaries. Hell... half of us still had alliances with Britain at the time. As Wayne Gretsky once said.... " I don't skate to where the puck is, I skate to where the puck is going".

It is high time we all buckle down and stop the blame game and stop the materialistic obsession of one-upping the Joneses. We must address the crazy out of control spending and just start paying down the debt. Both nationally and in our homes. Corporate America and Wall Street have become ridiculous. Their priorities are all out of whack. Instead of taking care of the people and building special and wonderful companies we now are at the mercy of stock fluctuations. If the stock retracts then jobs are the first thing to go. Cut, Cut, and Cut some more labor is the wrong choice. They have lost their moral compass. We are now reactionary instead of proactive. These companies run on fumes and use up their labor force by piling on more jobs responsibilities for the few employees that remain. Stressing everyone out. For what? A couple of points here or there in the NYSE? Everyone needs to give a little to fix this nightmare. What kind of a world are we creating for our children? The fun time is over and its time to start doing business the right way. Throw away the ping pong table in the extra conference room. Fill that room with 4 new employees. Let the stock price drop a bit. You will salvage your integrity and find yourself in a better stock price the following year because of it.

We need to put pressure on the companies to bring international jobs back home. Outsourcing is an atrocity. Our porous borders are shameful taking away our jobs as their income goes South of the Border. Our youth need a good lesson in what hard work is too. Don't hand them an ipod and 42inch flat screen. Hand them a shovel and show them where the lawn mower is parked. We have some work to do and it starts with us.

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Dinarded is full or turkey dust. If the dollar weakens the RV should be higher snce it will be based on the value of the dollar against the dinar. The cheaper the dollar the higher the number. That is simple. The Fact that France want it chaged has nothing to do with money, it has to do with power. The socialist wimp French have been envious of us and jealous/resentful because they are basically cowards and worthless human beings. Twice we have saved their asses from total destruction and the resent that. They are so socialist that they probably would prefer to be German citizens, Lord knows they had the biggest bunch of collaberators in both wars. Of course our problem is that the president is one of them and he would like to see us French and all the rest of the freakin Libs want us to be like Europe. Reminds me of the revolution where only 25% of true Americans fought the British. The rest were perfectly happy to be slaves to Britain. Do you know what will happen if our dollar collapses enough to lose its status as the international currency? The world will quickly go into world war because there will be nobody to stop it and there are plenty Chavez type people to start it. God save the USA or I won't have anywhere to go and neither will you, and we won't be able to stay here. The Europed ****-heads will take our guns and then put us in camps. Boy are they in for a surprise. As soon as we lose our guns and get put in camps, the libs will get killed by the Muslims who want us to think they are peaceful good Americans. That is bigger BS than some of the posts about RV. They are out to kill us and will have nobody to stop them if we partiots and warriors are locked up and disarmed. We are the last bastion of freedom. Everyone else is only kidding themselves into believing that a socialist is free. Go RV so I can get the hell out of here before it's too late to get out of anywhere..

Dinarded is full of turkey dust? Really? Then perhaps you shouldn't have AGREED with what I said in my original post! " If the dollar weakens the RV should be higher snce it will be based on the value of the dollar against the dinar. The cheaper the dollar the higher the number. That is simple."

The point that you are missing is that the US Dollar will only be worth 1/10th of it's current value, IF we are lucky. That's the REAL POINT here...... What i am saying is that OVER NIGHT 90% of the US population will be reduced to 3rd world financial status......Of course we will get more "dollars" for our Dinar but it just means we will get MORE of a currency that's worth MUCH LESS.

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I have a hell of allota Rifles and rounds. You can rest be assured that I speaking for myself here will not go down without a fight, right behind me will by my American flag waving proudly back at those who would dare try to bring this nation harm. JMO. Peace.

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These prophets of doom has one thing in common, they aim to change the political dynamics of this Country. How many of them sing this song 3 or 4 years ago, none. This is not the first time the dollar has fluctuated and all currencies will countinue to fluctuate in the future.

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Well this topic will always be controversial. This past week I spoke with two friends of mine that are well informed about world trade and world currencies. I really cannot post any of the things that they shared with me. Though I will say that we could be looking at a economic situation in the next few months that could bring about some serious CHANGE in this country. I love, respect, and pray for our troops, along with this country. My friends in Government feel the same as I do. Does not change the fact that we have added 1.3 TRILLION in debt this presidential term. I live in Florida, my cousin was the Governor of Massachusetts and the U.S. Ambassador to Canada. I have been in the Middle East with him and G.W.B. and several others who were in Government. When they tell me something I listen to them. I would not listen to any Rumors about an R.V. anytime soon, I will say that. Before you all get your panties in a wad, I did not say it won't happen, just won't happen soon. I love this country and those who serve it, I truly hope that the debt that we have incurred is not our downfall. Just like a business....NUMBERS can close doors! No profit...NO BUSINESS. Don't, no matter what, DON'T dump your dinar, it really could be a safety net. So is GOLD.

Peace all.

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Well this topic will always be controversial. This past week I spoke with two friends of mine that are well informed about world trade and world currencies. I really cannot post any of the things that they shared with me. Though I will say that we could be looking at a economic situation in the next few months that could bring about some serious CHANGE in this country. I love, respect, and pray for our troops, along with this country. My friends in Government feel the same as I do. Does not change the fact that we have added 1.3 TRILLION in debt this presidential term. I live in Florida, my cousin was the Governor of Massachusetts and the U.S. Ambassador to Canada. I have been in the Middle East with him and G.W.B. and several others who were in Government. When they tell me something I listen to them. I would not listen to any Rumors about an R.V. anytime soon, I will say that. Before you all get your panties in a wad, I did not say it won't happen, just won't happen soon. I love this country and those who serve it, I truly hope that the debt that we have incurred is not our downfall. Just like a business....NUMBERS can close doors! No profit...NO BUSINESS. Don't, no matter what, DON'T dump your dinar, it really could be a safety net. So is GOLD.

Peace all.

Hammy ounce again we agree. From December until the first week in feb I was involved in changing some of my investments in T. ROWE Price and Vanguard. I moved allot of my holding into a money market account and then went to PAMP.com and purchased spot plus 1% in gold bullion and silver holdings as well. I still have money in the market but now I have some in precious metals as a backup to my portfolio. Interesting times we are in wouldn't you agree?

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I agree. We need to keep america great by removing the things that are bringing it down. Kinda like cancer, gotta zap it. AND if it does happen to fall….we can start a new country. AND I have a great new name…..OKIELAND Home of the Rumor. Nuff Said :)

I can't decide if this was a weak attempt to be funny, or... what? The "OKIELAND" comment took what could be a patriotic stance to the cheap and indescribable. We do have to keep America great. We do need to remove those things that bring her down. Those things are like a cancer. The problem, however, is much greater than any political figure(s) or party and is deeply imbedded in an uneducated electorate. A very significant portion of the American people are more engrossed in the stupid Charlie Sheen saga and who wears what to the where. This breaks my heart and I am with BanG on this one. I am not saying that you are not also with us. I AM saying that I do not see the humor in any of it. The things in my life, which I hold dear, seem to be changing and disappearing at an alarming rate. When we lose our identity as a nation we will be perfectly positioned to become the sheep many seem to want to be. No input. No responsibility. No initiative to attain greatness and exceptionalism. No control over our own direction. At that time the world government will tell us how to live, where to live, what to drive, where and when we can go and I just cannot, under any circumstances, see this in a positive light. I am NOT attacking you as an individual, as I do not know where you heart lies in all of this, but I do question the comments... B)

These prophets of doom has one thing in common, they aim to change the political dynamics of this Country. How many of them sing this song 3 or 4 years ago, none. This is not the first time the dollar has fluctuated and all currencies will countinue to fluctuate in the future.

Go back in time when the Sterling Pound was the reserve currency and ask the old timers if they believed the Pound would ever be replaced as the world's standard... If you do not think it could happen, you probably need to reassess your information. We are in an extremely precarious position with the current debt levels and it will NOT be pretty if/when the dollar collapses. We have millions of people that don't even know how to change a car tire, let alone survive in a crisis... B)

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LMAO....PARANOID MUCH????

AMERICA is NOT ABOUT TO FALL!!!

And the dollar sure as heck doesn't have to "Crash" in order for the Dinar to RV.....well perhaps for you folks who think its coming in at 3+4+5+8+....but to think the USD has to crash for Iraq to place some sort of value on their artificially deflated currency teeters on the edge of moronic :blink:

Currency values fluctuate....we are now in a world wide economy...things change....deal with it.....but let's leave the conspiracy garbage to Ranger77 aka Phoenix as he is the expert in this kind of foolishness.... LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thank you!

The world is truly full of lemmings that believe anything they read on the internet. A good rule of thumb is don't believe a doomsday guy that is trying to sell you something like a plan for survival. They are all snake oil salesmen.

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Thank you!

The world is truly full of lemmings that believe anything they read on the internet. A good rule of thumb is don't believe a doomsday guy that is trying to sell you something like a plan for survival. They are all snake oil salesmen.

This is correct in general, but it doesn't take a snake oil salesman to pursuade me that the dollar is in trouble as the reserve currency and it doesn't take a genius to relize that the position as such yields great benefit. The downside is having the ability print our currency to oblivion and unwillingness to recognize that we cannot spend our way to prosperity. I am not saying America is doomed, but Rome is still the best example of an empire gone by as a result of it's inability to balance the unabridged and wonton lusts of the people because they didn't think Rome could fall either... B)

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Great post! Great debate! Most points have been touched and rebutted but for those that feel that the Dollar can't or won't fall are not educating themselves. I am not saying it will but I find myself praying that it won't. At this point I believe it is a great possibility. The current situation says it is very possible. Because the USD is the global standard and it continues to get weaker that would stand to say other countries are losing revenues because their buying power is getting weaker. Take oil for instance. If you want to purchase oil at the current price in usd you are getting less and less barrels of oil as the dollar is worth less. To me its very simple. Countries want more purchasing power or more bang for their buck. Currently global trading is not beneficial to a lot of countries because the value of trading is much weaker. Its only a matter of time before the USD is replaced as the standard and these other countries can earn more or buy more with their trading. So the way I look at it is the US needs a miracle to save the dollar. I know many will still disagree and I respect the freedom to do such. What I would like to ask those that do disagree is to at least research and educate themselves on the issue and not just be opinionated or complacent. Let's just say the dollar falling is a slight possibility and might not happen at all, but if it does the only way to be prepared is to be educated. Let's face it, if it happens you are talking caos. Why caos? Because the masses Will be unprepared and many will look to survive in any way possible. Debate and disagree all you want but please consider it possible, educate and have a plan just in case. God bless and GO RV....GO DV!!

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Pretty sure a crash is coming. Say what you will, I know who I am listening to. One gentlemen is currently a Bank president and works closely with the Fed. Reserve. A positive note is this, I was told that the Euro will crash first. Take it for what it is worth. A wise man will see what is coming and is prepared! A fool will see what is coming and says that it isn't.

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Pretty sure a crash is coming. Say what you will, I know who I am listening to. One gentlemen is currently a Bank president and works closely with the Fed. Reserve. A positive note is this, I was told that the Euro will crash first. Take it for what it is worth. A wise man will see what is coming and is prepared! A fool will see what is coming and says that it isn't.

Well said Hammy! I for one will be prepared and will be watching the Euro as it is my cue so to speak. I only wish more would educate themselves.

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Pretty sure a crash is coming. Say what you will, I know who I am listening to. One gentlemen is currently a Bank president and works closely with the Fed. Reserve. A positive note is this, I was told that the Euro will crash first. Take it for what it is worth. A wise man will see what is coming and is prepared! A fool will see what is coming and says that it isn't.

Still with you hammy +1 as well. Peace.

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NICE POST!

JUST BE AWARE AND PLAN!!! AT LEAST WE HAVE THE INTERNET TO MAKE CHANGES!!!

THINK ABOUT 1930s,,, you would have USD and the stock market and that was about your only option!!

GLAD TO BE IN 2011!!! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

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I know this may sound political it is not meant to be.

Just falls in line of this debate..

We are all in some sort of agreement, this could happen.

Will this happen in the next 22 months? It could..

But now, we must all ask how and why??

Someone above said "I always vote, but for the lesser of the two evils"..

Well, the party that has played on the need to help the poor, or the needy to give them all money not to work..

Can't work anymore..

Stop paying them to sit at home..

Encourage people to help with tax incentives..

Take that out of Govt responsibiltys..

The repubilcans has since i was a child labled as for big businesses.

WRONG, they are MORE for the working man than the so called Democrats..

Democrates whole plan is socilism, it is, really..

In order for there plan to work they have to break the bank.. WELL..

They almost have..

They are sending all of our jobs overseas, yes true. No incentive to stay (what higher taxes here).

Bolivia, we gave them multi billion dollars to explore oil over there.. WHY.. to bring jobs to bolivia..(they claim they are for the enviroment)

so if so why can they drill there but not here? I'll tell ya, spread the wealth..

Mexico we sent billion dollars over there fore drilling exploration. (WHERE)?? in the gulf of mexico(WHY) to spread the wealth..

Stops our oil drilling then moves it to Bolivia and Mexico.. (concerned for the enviroment MY A$$)..

The biggest way to STOP this crap is to vote and STOP THIS (CHANGE) Plan..

CHANGE W I L L RUIN THIS COUNTRY THAT ALL OF OUR SOLDIERS FIGHT AND HAVE LOST THIER LIVES TO DEFEND..

Good debate guys and thank you for allowing me to vent.. tell a friend.. VOTE..DEMS OUT..

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