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I've been saying this for years folks an guess what else we will eventually see, bestiality. One day this same guy will be asking the same questions to these same folks about how they feel about a person marrying their dog or horse etc. This world has long passed the word sick an disgusting...

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I've been saying this for years folks an guess what else we will eventually see, bestiality. One day this same guy will be asking the same questions to these same folks about how they feel about a person marrying their dog or horse etc. This world has long passed the word sick an disgusting...

I just hear on the radio where they will be letting a horse sue its former owners for neglect.

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This is any extremely sad slice of the mentality that seems to be so pervasive in, hopefully, very specific locales and is a microcosm of "progressive" types of philosophies. I suspect not all, hopefully not many, "progressives" believe or ascribe to the interviewees' beliefs articulated here. Obviously there are very strong moorings of this Great Nation The United States Of America in the Judeo-Christian framework and further codified in Rule Of Law based on Blackstone English Common Law.

 

On the STUDY of the LAW.

INTROD.

SECTION THE SECOND.

OF THE NATURE OF LAWS IN GENERAL.

LAW, in it's most general and comprehensive sense, signifies a rule of action; and is applied indiscriminately to all kinds of action, whether animate, or inanimate, rational or irrational. Thus we say, the laws of motion, of gravitation, of optics, or mechanics, as well as the laws of nature and of nations. And it is that rule of action, which is prescribed by some superior, and which the inferior is bound to obey.

THUS when the supreme being formed the universe, and created matter out of nothing, he impressed certain principles upon that matter, from which it can never depart, and without which it would cease to be. When he put that matter into motion, he established certain laws of motion, to which all moveable bodies must conform. And, to descend from the greatest operations to the smallest, when a workman forms a clock, or other piece of mechanism, he establishes at his own pleasure certain arbitrary laws for it's direction; as that the hand shall describe a given space in a given time; to which law as long a the work conforms, so long it continues in perfection, and answer the end of it's formation.

If we farther advance, from mere inactive matter to vegetable and animal life, we shall find them still governed by laws; more numerous indeed, but equally fixed and invariable. The whole progress of plants, from the feed to the root, and from thence to the feed again; --- the method of animal nutrition, digestion,

secretion,and all other branches of vital oeconomy; --- are not left to chance, or the will of the creature itself, but are performed in a wondrous involuntary manner, and guided by unerring rules laid down by the great creator.

THIS then is the general signification of law, a rule of action dictated by some superior being; and in those creatures that have neither the power to think, nor to will, such laws must be invariably obeyed, so long as the creature itself subsists, for it's existence depends on that obedience. But laws, in their more confined sense, and in which it is our present business to consider them, denote the rules, not of action in general, but of human action or conduct: that is, the precepts by which man, the noblest of all sublunary beings, a creature endowed with both reason and freewill, is commanded to make use of those faculties in the general regulation of his behaviour.

MAN, considered as a creature, must necessarily be subject to the laws of his creator, for he is entirely a dependent being. A being, independent of any other, has no rule to pursue, but such as he prescribes to himself; but a state of dependence will inevitably oblige the inferior to take the will of him, on whom he depends, as the rule of his conduct: not indeed in every particular, but in all those points wherein his dependence consists. This principle therefore has more or less extent and effect, in proportion as the superiority of the one and the dependence of the other is greater or less, absolute or limited. And consequently as man depends absolutely upon his maker for every thing, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his maker's will.

THIS will of his maker is called the law of nature. For as God, when he created matter, and endued it with a principle of mobility, established certain rules for the perpetual direction of that motion; so, when he created man, and endued him with freewill to conduct himself in all parts of life, he laid down certain immutable laws of human nature, whereby that freewill is in some degree regulated and restrained, and gave him also the faculty of reason to discover the purport of those laws.

CONSIDERING the creator only as a being of infinite power, he was able unquestionably to have prescribed whatever laws he pleased to his creature, man, however unjust or severe. But as he is also a being of infinite wisdom, he has laid down only such laws as were founded in those relations of justice, that existed in the nature of things antecedent to any positive precept. These are the eternal, immutable laws of good and evil, to which the creator himself in all his dispensations conforms; and which he has enabled human reason to discover, so far as they are necessary for the conduct of human actions. Such among others are these principles: that we should live honestly, should hurt nobody, and should render to every one it's due; to which three general precepts Justinian a has reduced the whole doctrine of law.

BUT if the discovery of these first principles of the law of nature depended only upon the due exertion of right reason, and could not otherwise be attained than by a chain of metaphysical disquisitions, mankind would have wanted some inducement to have quickened their inquiries, and the greater part of the world would have rested content in mental indolence, and ignorance it's inseparable companion. As therefore the creator is a being, not only of infinite power, and wisdom, but also of infinite goodness, he has been pleased so to contrive the constitution and frame of humanity, that we should want no other prompter to enquire after and pursue the rule of right, but only our own self-love, that universal principle of action. For he has so intimately connected, so inseparably interwoven the laws of eternal justice with the happiness of each individual, that the latter cannot be attained but by observing the former; and, if the former be punctually obeyed, it cannot but induce the latter. In consequence of which mutual connection of justice and human felicity, he has not perplexed the law of nature with a multitude of abstracted rules and precepts, referring merely to the fitness or unfitness of things, is some have vainly surmised; but has graciously reduced the rule of obedience to this one paternal precept, “that man should “pursue his own happiness.” This is the foundation of what we call ethics, or natural law. For the several articles into which it is branched in our systems, amount to no more than demonstrating, that this or that action tends to man's real happiness, and therefore very justly concluding that the performance of it is a part of the law of nature; or, on the other hand, that this or that action is destructive of man's real happiness, and therefore that the law of nature forbids it.

 

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/blackstone_intro.asp#2

 

Pretty clear here. The efficacy of, "And consequently as man depends absolutely upon his maker for every thing, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his maker's will." was noted by Alexis de Tocqueville:

 

Alexis de Tocqueville

Alexis de Tocqueville was the famous 19th century French statesman, historian and social philosopher. He traveled to America in the 1830s to discover the reasons for the incredible success of this new nation. He published his observations in his classic two-volume work, Democracy in America. He was especially impressed by America's religious character. Here are some startling excerpts from Tocqueville's great work:

 

Upon my arrival in the United States the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more I perceived the great political consequences resulting from this new state of things.

 

In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom marching in opposite directions. But in America I found they were intimately united and that they reigned in common over the same country.

Religion in America...must be regarded as the foremost of the political institutions of that country; for if it does not impart a taste for freedom, it facilitates the use of it. Indeed, it is in this same point of view that the inhabitants of the United States themselves look upon religious belief.

 

I do not know whether all Americans have a sincere faith in their religion -- for who can search the human heart? But I am certain that they hold it to be indispensable to the maintenance of republican institutions. This opinion is not peculiar to a class of citizens or a party, but it belongs to the whole nation and to every rank of society.

 

In the United States, the sovereign authority is religious...there is no country in the world where the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America, and there can be no greater proof of its utility and of its conformity to human nature than that its influence is powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth.

 

In the United States, the influence of religion is not confined to the manners, but it extends to the intelligence of the people...

 

Christianity, therefore, reigns without obstacle, by universal consent...

 

I sought for the key to the greatness and genius of America in her harbors...; in her fertile fields and boundless forests; in her rich mines and vast world commerce; in her public school system and institutions of learning. I sought for it in her democratic Congress and in her matchless Constitution.

 

Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power.

 

America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.

 

The safeguard of morality is religion, and morality is the best security of law as well as the surest pledge of freedom.

 

The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other

 

Christianity is the companion of liberty in all its conflicts -- the cradle of its infancy, and the divine source of its claims.

 

Tocqueville gives this account of a court case in New York:

 

While I was in America, a witness, who happened to be called at the assizes of the county of Chester (state of New York), declared that he did not believe in the existence of God or in the immortality of the soul. The judge refused to admit his evidence, on the ground that the witness had destroyed beforehand all confidence of the court in what he was about to say. The newspapers related the fact without any further comment. The New York Spectator of August 23rd, 1831, relates the fact in the following terms:

"The court of common pleas of Chester county (New York), a few days since rejected a witness who declared his disbelief in the existence of God. The presiding judge remarked, that he had not before been aware that there was a man living who did not believe in the existence of God; that this belief constituted the sanction of all testimony in a court of justice: and that he knew of no case in a Christian country, where a witness had been permitted to testify without such belief."

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/cdf/onug/detocq.html

 

In a very real sense, "progressive" philosophies and philosophical applications are contrary to the foundation and structure of The United States Of America and therefore an evil that must be eradicated as a personal decision while extolling and practicing the affirmative of the basis of Rule Of Law is entirely essential non "living document" manner for the perpetuity of existence of The United States Of America noted by Alexis de Tocqueville. Blackstone gave a most excellent and specific treatise to note the imperative nature of acknowledgement and application of, "the precepts by which man, the noblest of all sublunary beings, a creature endowed with both reason and freewill, is commanded to make use of those faculties in the general regulation of his behaviour."

 

In essence, "progressive" mentalities of various sorts are incompatible with the foundation, framework, and potent social fabric of The United States Of America so are requisitely addressed and circumvented.

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30 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

This is any extremely sad slice of the mentality that seems to be so pervasive in, hopefully, very specific locales and is a microcosm of "progressive" types of philosophies. I suspect not all, hopefully not many, "progressives" believe or ascribe to the interviewees' beliefs articulated here. Obviously there are very strong moorings of this Great Nation The United States Of America in the Judeo-Christian framework and further codified in Rule Of Law based on Blackstone English Common Law.

 

On the STUDY of the LAW.

INTROD.

SECTION THE SECOND.

OF THE NATURE OF LAWS IN GENERAL.

LAW, in it's most general and comprehensive sense, signifies a rule of action; and is applied indiscriminately to all kinds of action, whether animate, or inanimate, rational or irrational. Thus we say, the laws of motion, of gravitation, of optics, or mechanics, as well as the laws of nature and of nations. And it is that rule of action, which is prescribed by some superior, and which the inferior is bound to obey.

THUS when the supreme being formed the universe, and created matter out of nothing, he impressed certain principles upon that matter, from which it can never depart, and without which it would cease to be. When he put that matter into motion, he established certain laws of motion, to which all moveable bodies must conform. And, to descend from the greatest operations to the smallest, when a workman forms a clock, or other piece of mechanism, he establishes at his own pleasure certain arbitrary laws for it's direction; as that the hand shall describe a given space in a given time; to which law as long a the work conforms, so long it continues in perfection, and answer the end of it's formation.

If we farther advance, from mere inactive matter to vegetable and animal life, we shall find them still governed by laws; more numerous indeed, but equally fixed and invariable. The whole progress of plants, from the feed to the root, and from thence to the feed again; --- the method of animal nutrition, digestion,

secretion,and all other branches of vital oeconomy; --- are not left to chance, or the will of the creature itself, but are performed in a wondrous involuntary manner, and guided by unerring rules laid down by the great creator.

THIS then is the general signification of law, a rule of action dictated by some superior being; and in those creatures that have neither the power to think, nor to will, such laws must be invariably obeyed, so long as the creature itself subsists, for it's existence depends on that obedience. But laws, in their more confined sense, and in which it is our present business to consider them, denote the rules, not of action in general, but of human action or conduct: that is, the precepts by which man, the noblest of all sublunary beings, a creature endowed with both reason and freewill, is commanded to make use of those faculties in the general regulation of his behaviour.

MAN, considered as a creature, must necessarily be subject to the laws of his creator, for he is entirely a dependent being. A being, independent of any other, has no rule to pursue, but such as he prescribes to himself; but a state of dependence will inevitably oblige the inferior to take the will of him, on whom he depends, as the rule of his conduct: not indeed in every particular, but in all those points wherein his dependence consists. This principle therefore has more or less extent and effect, in proportion as the superiority of the one and the dependence of the other is greater or less, absolute or limited. And consequently as man depends absolutely upon his maker for every thing, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his maker's will.

THIS will of his maker is called the law of nature. For as God, when he created matter, and endued it with a principle of mobility, established certain rules for the perpetual direction of that motion; so, when he created man, and endued him with freewill to conduct himself in all parts of life, he laid down certain immutable laws of human nature, whereby that freewill is in some degree regulated and restrained, and gave him also the faculty of reason to discover the purport of those laws.

CONSIDERING the creator only as a being of infinite power, he was able unquestionably to have prescribed whatever laws he pleased to his creature, man, however unjust or severe. But as he is also a being of infinite wisdom, he has laid down only such laws as were founded in those relations of justice, that existed in the nature of things antecedent to any positive precept. These are the eternal, immutable laws of good and evil, to which the creator himself in all his dispensations conforms; and which he has enabled human reason to discover, so far as they are necessary for the conduct of human actions. Such among others are these principles: that we should live honestly, should hurt nobody, and should render to every one it's due; to which three general precepts Justinian a has reduced the whole doctrine of law.

BUT if the discovery of these first principles of the law of nature depended only upon the due exertion of right reason, and could not otherwise be attained than by a chain of metaphysical disquisitions, mankind would have wanted some inducement to have quickened their inquiries, and the greater part of the world would have rested content in mental indolence, and ignorance it's inseparable companion. As therefore the creator is a being, not only of infinite power, and wisdom, but also of infinite goodness, he has been pleased so to contrive the constitution and frame of humanity, that we should want no other prompter to enquire after and pursue the rule of right, but only our own self-love, that universal principle of action. For he has so intimately connected, so inseparably interwoven the laws of eternal justice with the happiness of each individual, that the latter cannot be attained but by observing the former; and, if the former be punctually obeyed, it cannot but induce the latter. In consequence of which mutual connection of justice and human felicity, he has not perplexed the law of nature with a multitude of abstracted rules and precepts, referring merely to the fitness or unfitness of things, is some have vainly surmised; but has graciously reduced the rule of obedience to this one paternal precept, “that man should “pursue his own happiness.” This is the foundation of what we call ethics, or natural law. For the several articles into which it is branched in our systems, amount to no more than demonstrating, that this or that action tends to man's real happiness, and therefore very justly concluding that the performance of it is a part of the law of nature; or, on the other hand, that this or that action is destructive of man's real happiness, and therefore that the law of nature forbids it.

 

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/blackstone_intro.asp#2

 

Pretty clear here. The efficacy of, "And consequently as man depends absolutely upon his maker for every thing, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his maker's will." was noted by Alexis de Tocqueville:

 

Alexis de Tocqueville

Alexis de Tocqueville was the famous 19th century French statesman, historian and social philosopher. He traveled to America in the 1830s to discover the reasons for the incredible success of this new nation. He published his observations in his classic two-volume work, Democracy in America. He was especially impressed by America's religious character. Here are some startling excerpts from Tocqueville's great work:

 

Upon my arrival in the United States the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more I perceived the great political consequences resulting from this new state of things.

 

In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom marching in opposite directions. But in America I found they were intimately united and that they reigned in common over the same country.

Religion in America...must be regarded as the foremost of the political institutions of that country; for if it does not impart a taste for freedom, it facilitates the use of it. Indeed, it is in this same point of view that the inhabitants of the United States themselves look upon religious belief.

 

I do not know whether all Americans have a sincere faith in their religion -- for who can search the human heart? But I am certain that they hold it to be indispensable to the maintenance of republican institutions. This opinion is not peculiar to a class of citizens or a party, but it belongs to the whole nation and to every rank of society.

 

In the United States, the sovereign authority is religious...there is no country in the world where the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America, and there can be no greater proof of its utility and of its conformity to human nature than that its influence is powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth.

 

In the United States, the influence of religion is not confined to the manners, but it extends to the intelligence of the people...

 

Christianity, therefore, reigns without obstacle, by universal consent...

 

I sought for the key to the greatness and genius of America in her harbors...; in her fertile fields and boundless forests; in her rich mines and vast world commerce; in her public school system and institutions of learning. I sought for it in her democratic Congress and in her matchless Constitution.

 

Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power.

 

America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.

 

The safeguard of morality is religion, and morality is the best security of law as well as the surest pledge of freedom.

 

The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other

 

Christianity is the companion of liberty in all its conflicts -- the cradle of its infancy, and the divine source of its claims.

 

Tocqueville gives this account of a court case in New York:

 

While I was in America, a witness, who happened to be called at the assizes of the county of Chester (state of New York), declared that he did not believe in the existence of God or in the immortality of the soul. The judge refused to admit his evidence, on the ground that the witness had destroyed beforehand all confidence of the court in what he was about to say. The newspapers related the fact without any further comment. The New York Spectator of August 23rd, 1831, relates the fact in the following terms:

"The court of common pleas of Chester county (New York), a few days since rejected a witness who declared his disbelief in the existence of God. The presiding judge remarked, that he had not before been aware that there was a man living who did not believe in the existence of God; that this belief constituted the sanction of all testimony in a court of justice: and that he knew of no case in a Christian country, where a witness had been permitted to testify without such belief."

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/cdf/onug/detocq.html

 

In a very real sense, "progressive" philosophies and philosophical applications are contrary to the foundation and structure of The United States Of America and therefore an evil that must be eradicated as a personal decision while extolling and practicing the affirmative of the basis of Rule Of Law is entirely essential non "living document" manner for the perpetuity of existence of The United States Of America noted by Alexis de Tocqueville. Blackstone gave a most excellent and specific treatise to note the imperative nature of acknowledgement and application of, "the precepts by which man, the noblest of all sublunary beings, a creature endowed with both reason and freewill, is commanded to make use of those faculties in the general regulation of his behaviour."

 

In essence, "progressive" mentalities of various sorts are incompatible with the foundation, framework, and potent social fabric of The United States Of America so are requisitely addressed and circumvented.

Sounds like a Godly man.  In fact, much of what he says reminds me of the Westminster Confession of faith written in 1646.  Sound doctrine on both accounts....very sad how far our Nation has fallen.

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Sounds like a Godly man.  In fact, much of what he says reminds me on the Westminster Confession of faith written in 1646.  Sound doctrine on both accounts....very sad how far our Nation has fallen.

barb

 

I wouldn't give up on the unchallengeable Potency of the noted "Great Creator" "Superior Being" "Maker" or "God" with HIS "law of nature" that is universally applicable and can be enjoyed by each and every person to include the caring and vocal proponents of HIS "law of nature" in, "a creature endowed with both reason and freewill, is commanded to make use of those faculties in the general regulation of his behaviour." I am certain HE has adequately dealt with much worse and effectively gained satisfaction with the exercise of HIS "unerring rules laid down".

 

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53 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

 

I wouldn't give up on the unchallengeable Potency of the noted "Great Creator" "Superior Being" "Maker" or "God" with HIS "law of nature" that is universally applicable and can be enjoyed by each and every person to include the caring and vocal proponents of HIS "law of nature" in, "a creature endowed with both reason and freewill, is commanded to make use of those faculties in the general regulation of his behaviour." I am certain HE has adequately dealt with much worse and effectively gained satisfaction with the exercise of HIS "unerring rules laid down".

 

Sometimes it's hard for me to follow and understand your writings.  Are you a lawyer?  But I think I understand enough to agree.  There is NO giving up on God our creator and what He has written in each ones heart and revealed in Scripture. Nor can I deny His perfect will and predetermined plan.  His very pleasure will be full filled.....th

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5 minutes ago, learning all i can said:

Are you a lawyer?

 

I am not a lawyer. Due to my profession (Engineering) of which I am licensed, I use Critical Thinking in diverse related venues. Also, life events have further promoted and honed Critical Thinking that I would like to think demonstrates Reason and Common Sense utilizing substantive historical references for personal renditions in a variety of circumstances.

 

Ethics is an enormously big deal in the Licensed Engineering Practice. There are State Engineering Laws I am bound to due to my License in and Practice of Engineering with the potential for Civil and Criminal Penalties for non adherence.

 

16 minutes ago, learning all i can said:

Sometimes it's hard for me to follow and understand your writings. 

 

I, under my prolific failed attempts, articulate in manners that resemble my understanding yet lack in effectively communicating the desired subject manner to various others.

 

So, maybe pay me no never mind!!! :o       :o       :o

 

6 minutes ago, learning all i can said:

Thanks for sharing

barb

 

:twothumbs: Barb, AND The Best Of Your Weekend To You!!! :tiphat:

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Lol, you sound to be a reasonable man and fairly patient with the less educated....or at least I hope.  I'll try to read and comphrend more of your post now even tho I'm sure I'll have to look up many of your words and reason with much of what you write.  We might have a chance of communication... whatcha think?😊.    You have a great weekend also.

1 hour ago, Synopsis said:

 

I am not a lawyer. Due to my profession (Engineering) of which I am licensed, I use Critical Thinking in diverse related venues. Also, life events have further promoted and honed Critical Thinking that I would like to think demonstrates Reason and Common Sense utilizing substantive historical references for personal renditions in a variety of circumstances.

 

Ethics is an enormously big deal in the Licensed Engineering Practice. There are State Engineering Laws I am bound to due to my License in and Practice of Engineering with the potential for Civil and Criminal Penalties for non adherence.

 

 

I, under my prolific failed attempts, articulate in manners that resemble my understanding yet lack in effectively communicating the desired subject manner to various others.

 

So, maybe pay me no never mind!!! :o       :o       :o

 

 

:twothumbs: Barb, AND The Best Of Your Weekend To You!!! :tiphat:

 

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