A big heart-felt THANKS for the new negging record

[Shedagal]

8 hours ago, Synopsis said:

 

I am not demeaning You in any respect but do You really disagree with Jesus confronting the money changers at the Temple and rebuking Satan speaking through Peter?

 

Really?

 

I didn't even mention the "nice" things Jesus had to say to the Pharisees. You know what Jesus said to the Pharisees, don't You?

 

I am not picking on You. I am just trying to get You to think things through and act accordingly.

Remember when the Bible said "You who are spiritual . . "?  What does it mean to be spiritual?

 

We are triune beings - body, soul, and spirit.  When you become a Christian, the Holy Spirit connects with your spirit. Your spirit then should take ascendancy over your body and soul (your mind, will, and emotions).  I say it should, but it is not automatic.  You have to grow in the Word and be led by the Spirit.

 

Jesus rebuked the moneychangers because they were operating on holy ground.  I did not realize this DV site was "The Temple".  He rebuked Peter as a teacher rebukes a student.  Are you Umbertino's teacher?

 

Pharisees were false believers who used religion to control and abuse.  I don't think Umbertino has ever stated he is a believer - correct me if I am wrong.  

 

Is is far more important for a non-believer to see us showing love and battling it in the spiritual realm than to participate in sanctimonious debates.

 

Please remember the Bible says "wounds from a friend can be trusted". LOL

[bostonangler]

1 minute ago, Shedagal said:

Is is far more important for a non-believer to see us showing love and battling it in the spiritual realm than to participate in sanctimonious debates.

 

I see you understand... Others? well not so much... Thanks for some excellent posts. Hopefully it will reach those who seem to enjoy their beliefs on a convenient basis..

 

B/A

[Shabibilicious]

Without fail, the cream always rises to the top....those who prefer coordinated mob justice can certainly learn a thing or two from the righteous individuals who put humanity above politics.  As always, just my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV

[coorslite21]

8 hours ago, Markinsa said:

@umbertino Here's an idea.  How about instead of posting each article individually as its own topic, you combine them into one Topic "The Guardian 05/??/2018" and then you can post all the articles and links you want into that topic, and I will defend your right to do it.  So each day, you come on start a new topic for that day.  Tag it "Guardian News" and everyone's happy.

 

Let me add to that, I'll even suggest, that if they are different subject matter, like politics, or Off Topics, you can have a topic for each Forum, limit one per day per forum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mark

 

Seems like a logical solution to me.......

 

Secondly.....activate the ignore option.......it isn't perfect, but it was helpful....

 

I suggested Um expand his vision on news sites.......his response led me to go to the ignore option......

 

Or, just avoid his postings.....and don't view his posts........do you think he will make 30 posts if day after day there are no views or responses.........?

 

Lastly.........divide and conquer.........that's what the real Russian aim is.........it has been outlined well in what the Facebook ads were intended to do........that was right vs. left........using race among other things..........

 

This situation, the same.... on a smaller scale.........I see some with mostly similar views being baited into quibbling with one another......(btw,.... quibbling was a word my Dad used to use.....I hate that word.....)......so don't fall for this divide and conquer ploy....

 

So rise above this.........or avoid it altogether.........don't let one persons agenda ruin your day........we're all better than that.....JMO......CL

[umbertino]

12 hours ago, Markinsa said:

 

That's rich.   You are posting articles from a Website whose primary goal is to promote Socialist,/Communist propaganda.  These very same philosophies you transfer to this website, would rather blow your brains out than allow you that FREE SPEECH, you so vociferously say we are trying to deny you.  Let me tell you my little commie friend, you got your head someplace where you can't see, if you don't see this for what it is.

 

Or are you getting a stipend for every link we click on that goes to their site?  I mean really, 30+ posts a day and you're doing that for free?  Com'on really?

 

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That's an opinion which I respect ( would like to have same back) even though it's  maybe only partly true....I surely  admit ( why should I deny that? not a federal crime as of yet....) that I sometimes post articles from People's World and Democracy.org...which certainly lean left....

 

Since lots ( most infact) of People here post from a standing rightwing view point ( which again is perfectly legitimate thing to do...I repeated that a billion times) ........I beg to differ...So the reader can have a wider spectrum of opinions....I'm told that's called Democracy.....

 

True also that most articles I post are from famous / infamous "Guardian", which is not certainly a Communist newspaper ....We can say that it has usually a more open view embracing various political stances ....But in reporting news, facts are facts...No way to go around it, sorry......

 

Then...If the fact that what I post is not strictly rightwing and IF that's considered a severe fault.....I don't know what to say

 

 

Again ...To the ABSOLUTELY LEGITIMATE ( for 10th billion time....)  opponents  in what I post......May I very humbly suggest that your best Friends  are ( courtesy of this great Forum technology)  to put me on your Ignore list and / or simply skip  dangerous agitator umbertino's posts IF reading them is going to ruin your day and make it miserable ( God forbid!)....Both easy, simply, sensible, logical ( in such a situation) options

 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2018 by umbertino

[coorslite21]

I might also add that this forum is owned and operated by only one individual. Anytime he wants to pull the plug on any member, that is his right.  Some here might look at that as similar to a third world country.

I look at it as value added........if all you are doing is causing conflict amongst the majority of members, and adding nothing of value......you just might be asked to leave. People have been asked to leave in the past.

I would suggest that all members think about this for a moment.  It is not your right to be welcomed here, it is a privilege.....and at the pleasure of Mr. Montana.

DV is not a democracy, but often times, as in most every walks of life.....the  "majority rules".  If you value being a part of DV.....

 

Well...... use your own good judgement....

 
JMO..........CL
 

[Shabibilicious]

4 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

I might also add that this forum is owned and operated by only one individual. Anytime he wants to pull the plug on any member, that is his right.  Some here might look at that as similar to a third world country.

I look at it as value added........if all you are doing is causing conflict amongst the majority of members, and adding nothing of value......you just might be asked to leave. People have been asked to leave in the past.

I would suggest that all members think about this for a moment.  It is not your right to be welcomed here, it is a privilege.....and at the pleasure of Mr. Montana.

DV is not a democracy, but often times, as in most every walks of life.....the  "majority rules".  If you value being a part of DV.....

 

Well...... use your own good judgement....

 
JMO..........CL
 

 

Causing conflict?  Really?  The only disrespect people feel are from the articles themselves and that's simply because in today's caustic environment, politics has been turned on it's nose.  At no time ever has Umbertino been disrespectful to another poster on a personal level.  Same as with your point of view....there is, or at least there should be, value in being personally respectful to the opinions of everyone, as per forum rules.   As always, just my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV 

[umbertino]

 

I am already regretting to have started this thread...

 

My mistake......I just followed an upset instinct due to my venting mood given the situation...Human being here, after all....Not a machine......

 

Please Mods...Up to you to decide if letting thread  stay or remove it.........I will stand by your wise decision....Thanks

 

Again sorry Everybody .....I did a stupid thing ( it's only good and normal  every human being to admit that some  times during a lifetime....some have the conscience of doing that when realizing something, others do not...Cos they're too proud...And pride can be an obstacle at times, blocking our mind sharpness.....Ok)

 

No problem for me in admitting that ....I just let myself go in a childish way....Should have had a better control on myself.....Ciao....

Edited May 14, 2018 by umbertino

[umbertino]

5 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Causing conflict?  Really?  The only disrespect people feel are from the articles themselves and that's simply because in today's caustic environment, politics has been turned on it's nose.  At no time ever has Umbertino been disrespectful to another poster on a personal level.  Same as with your point of view....there is, or at least there should be, value in being personally respectful to the opinions of everyone, as per forum rules.   As always, just my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV 

 

 

Thank you, Shabs......A brotherly hug from Italy

 

 

It's all ok now

Edited May 14, 2018 by umbertino

[dinarham]

  I thought one of the rules here was to keep it respectful . I must say i was blown away and hurt by the anger directed towards me  when i started the dreamer thread . Contrary to the name  calling , I am not a criminal and I love my country . 

[coorslite21]

2 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Causing conflict?  Really?  The only disrespect people feel are from the articles themselves and that's simply because in today's caustic environment, politics has been turned on it's nose.  At no time ever has Umbertino been disrespectful to another poster on a personal level.  Same as with your point of view....there is, or at least there should be, value in being personally respectful to the opinions of everyone, as per forum rules.   As always, just my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV 

Perhaps my choice of words was poor.....

Devisive is more accurate.....

 

The adjective divisive is related to the verb divide, which means "to separate things or pull them apart." Divisive things divide. That's why it's best to avoid potentially divisive topics like politics if you believe you are in the company of people who have differing opinions.

[Synopsis]

8 hours ago, Shedagal said:

Remember when the Bible said "You who are spiritual . . "?  What does it mean to be spiritual?

 

We are triune beings - body, soul, and spirit.  When you become a Christian, the Holy Spirit connects with your spirit. Your spirit then should take ascendancy over your body and soul (your mind, will, and emotions).  I say it should, but it is not automatic.  You have to grow in the Word and be led by the Spirit.

 

Jesus rebuked the moneychangers because they were operating on holy ground.  I did not realize this DV site was "The Temple".  He rebuked Peter as a teacher rebukes a student.  Are you Umbertino's teacher?

 

Pharisees were false believers who used religion to control and abuse.  I don't think Umbertino has ever stated he is a believer - correct me if I am wrong.  

 

Is is far more important for a non-believer to see us showing love and battling it in the spiritual realm than to participate in sanctimonious debates.

 

Please remember the Bible says "wounds from a friend can be trusted". LOL

 

I certainly appreciate the comments but I am not hurt, wounded, or offended in any regard whatsoever.

 

My biological father and paterfamilias was a spiritual being doing non spiritual things for me at the time whereas I realized later they were spiritual. I encourage You to consider the same.

 

We (born again) are individually and collectively The Temple. I would not allow You as The Temple to have Your rights and dignity bought and sold figuratively, physically, philosophically, or spiritually and I will stand for You, others, and myself in such.

 

I have experienced the dire consequences of allowing the easy "Love". That only promoted further and more severe ill behavior. I have paid dearly on for that on several occasions for no observable short, long, or eternal benefit.

 

I am not deterred due to Biblical, historical, and foundational records I did not create but believe are essential. I encourage You to adhere to the same.

 

I'll leave it at that. Just know You are appreciated.

[SocalDinar]

I try not to let blogs and any other online forums get me upset.  Not good for the blood pressure.   I take them in stride and try to smile and laugh and the posts that i find that i disagree with. I try my best not to post anything that may upset others. Not my place to .. In the past i have posted some mean spirited things and again I apologize to anyone i have hurt.  I could say it was never my intention but truth is it probably was. Again i apologize.   I have learned from many here including LGD and Caz and Umb.  I respect all of these people when in fact i have disagreed with all of them at one time or another. But we must respect each other or we are no better than the things we dislike. 

[umbertino]

 

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But we must respect each other or we are no better than the things we dislike. 

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Thanks Socal....That sounds somehow anti-establishment and even Revolutionary here at this point and time...And also Courageous of you to state that

 

 

I ran out of pluses....Owe you

 

 

[caz1104]

On ‎5‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 4:49 PM, umbertino said:

 

 

 

Free to think that, LGD....But sorry....I do not spam....

 

Let me courteously remind you that People have something called "FREEDOM OF CHOICE...Remember?  Nobody has a gun pointed at their forehead forcing them to read what I post, right?  People have also the choice to put me on ignore...Right?.

 

There are many frequent posters here ( and I see no problem...It's a Forum after all...) but I'd never think of calling them "spammers"....I bet that if my posts were more right-winged (that's the issue obviously)....then most likely I would not be called that way......

 

I , just like you and anybody else on this Forum can post whatever  ( without breaking forum rules of course)....

 

So spamming is an incorrect definition while these existing rules do stand....If then they change.....Ok...We can talk about it......

 

The Truth of the matter  here is that some People just love hating...Their choice

 

 

 

In the end...If the Boss ( Mr.Montana) tells me to limit my daily  posts to an X number....Then I'll promptly comply....That's his Forum and I'll obey HIM

Uhh..."the truth of the matter here is that some people just love hating",.......what would you call your continuous negative articles about the USA?  It's called "HATING" You can't have it both ways.  Oh that's right you don't consider negative/hateful articles as HATING the USA because you know some people...pathetic.

[caz1104]

40 minutes ago, SocalDinar said:

I try not to let blogs and any other online forums get me upset.  Not good for the blood pressure.   I take them in stride and try to smile and laugh and the posts that i find that i disagree with. I try my best not to post anything that may upset others. Not my place to .. In the past i have posted some mean spirited things and again I apologize to anyone i have hurt.  I could say it was never my intention but truth is it probably was. Again i apologize.   I have learned from many here including LGD and Caz and Umb.  I respect all of these people when in fact i have disagreed with all of them at one time or another. But we must respect each other or we are no better than the things we dislike. 

I agree SD...I respect your opinions even if I don't always agree because you own them. I'm not a fan of those that throw out neg then can't figure why some may find it offensive...own it, & you'll get respect.

[Synopsis]

16 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

I have been constrained over the subject matter at hand here for several weeks now and thus haven't said anything where non staff can see. 

But when I saw this thread I simply could not continue to ignore Umbertino's self claimed right of, "Free Speech", whilst saying that those who 

would negg him have no such rights. Your post is the most wonderfully explained synopsis that expresses my reason for making this now 

a public issue. 

 

You Are Very Appreciated, LadyGrace'sDaddy, AND The Best Of Your Evening To You, Sir!!! 

[umbertino]

6 hours ago, dinarham said:

  I thought one of the rules here was to keep it respectful . I must say i was blown away and hurt by the anger directed towards me  when i started the dreamer thread . Contrary to the name  calling , I am not a criminal and I love my country . 

 

 

 

You're a Good Person and you love your Country, Dinarham....And you're very well-mannered too ( which helps).....That's commendable

 

Best

[umbertino]

11 hours ago, Shedagal said:

Remember when the Bible said "You who are spiritual . . "?  What does it mean to be spiritual?

 

We are triune beings - body, soul, and spirit.  When you become a Christian, the Holy Spirit connects with your spirit. Your spirit then should take ascendancy over your body and soul (your mind, will, and emotions).  I say it should, but it is not automatic.  You have to grow in the Word and be led by the Spirit.

 

Jesus rebuked the moneychangers because they were operating on holy ground.  I did not realize this DV site was "The Temple".  He rebuked Peter as a teacher rebukes a student.  Are you Umbertino's teacher?

 

Pharisees were false believers who used religion to control and abuse.  I don't think Umbertino has ever stated he is a believer - correct me if I am wrong.  

 

Is is far more important for a non-believer to see us showing love and battling it in the spiritual realm than to participate in sanctimonious debates.

 

Please remember the Bible says "wounds from a friend can be trusted". LOL

 

 

Thank you, Shedagal

[jg1]

Umbertino is a master baiter. He has to know by now that the majority here are concervitive, and not sure what his neritive is here. Just seems like he loves to bait people with outlandish articals/ statements and sit back and watch people get all excited, pissed and exploding their tops. Like water off a ducks back, he's back to do it over and over again. 

[dinarham]

Synopsis , please don't call me a criminal anymore .

[Synopsis]

12 minutes ago, dinarham said:

Synopsis , please don't call me a criminal anymore .

 

Then I suggest You not break the law by hiring illegal immigrants of Your own admission. You also need to quit mislabeling hate with standing for Rule Of Law. I do not have a vested interest in Your position(s) so it is futile to assume I am deterred from responding to Your comments by Your requests. Illegal immigrants have a substantial down side to not only the economy but the safety and security of The United States Of America Citizens that I am never going to compromise no matter what Your pleas are. Just because You compromise Rule Of Law by knowingly hiring one or illegal immigrants does not mean I or others accept Your views and behaviors. Your "business" takes advantage of the labor but the real cost of employment is born by others due to the associated medical, education, and other services born by tax payers, like myself, and acquiring services at higher costs abused by illegal immigrants.

 

Have You REALLY thought the issue of hiring illegal immigrants through with the economic and criminal impacts associated with illegal immigrants? I do not think so especially since others, like myself, have to pay the bill through higher taxes and prices for services, like medical and education, the illegal immigrants abuse that also includes the other illegal activity they are involved in.

 

The only reason for Your posts is to appease Your conscience for doing what You did and/or are doing and garner support from other "humanitarians". Now that didn't work You are seeking to silence any conscience based on Rule Of Law. That isn't going to happen.

 

If You want to make it right, either have the illegal immigrants stop working for You or move Your business to the country where the illegal immigrants are actually a citizen and stop bilking the tax payers for the services the illegal immigrants incur.

 

Also, when You promote illegal immigration through hiring one or more illegal immigrants, You promote the theft of funds through the higher taxation and service costs all at the expense of the benefit of Your "business' that IS criminal to the innocent like myself for Your behavior.

 

Stop being a criminal by promoting illegal immigration through hiring illegal immigrants and theft by causing higher taxation and higher costs for services to others like myself.

[Muleslayer]

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Edited May 15, 2018 by Muleslayer
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[Muleslayer]

13 hours ago, bostonangler said:

 

 

[SocalDinar]

19 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

 

Then I suggest You not break the law by hiring illegal immigrants of Your own admission. You also need to quit mislabeling hate with standing for Rule Of Law. I do not have a vested interest in Your position(s) so it is futile to assume I am deterred from responding to Your comments by Your requests. Illegal immigrants have a substantial down side to not only the economy but the safety and security of The United States Of America Citizens that I am never going to compromise no matter what Your pleas are. Just because You compromise Rule Of Law by knowingly hiring one or illegal immigrants does not mean I or others accept Your views and behaviors. Your "business" takes advantage of the labor but the real cost of employment is born by others due to the associated medical, education, and other services born by tax payers, like myself, and acquiring services at higher costs abused by illegal immigrants.

 

Have You REALLY thought the issue of hiring illegal immigrants through with the economic and criminal impacts associated with illegal immigrants? I do not think so especially since others, like myself, have to pay the bill through higher taxes and prices for services, like medical and education, the illegal immigrants abuse that also includes the other illegal activity they are involved in.

 

The only reason for Your posts is to appease Your conscience for doing what You did and/or are doing and garner support system" rel="">support from other "humanitarians". Now that didn't work You are seeking to silence any conscience based on Rule Of Law. That isn't going to happen.

 

If You want to make it right, either have the illegal immigrants stop working for You or move Your business to the country where the illegal immigrants are actually a citizen and stop bilking the tax payers for the services the illegal immigrants incur.

 

Also, when You promote illegal immigration through hiring one or more illegal immigrants, You promote the theft of funds through the higher taxation and service costs all at the expense of the benefit of Your "business' that IS criminal to the innocent like myself for Your behavior.

 

Stop being a criminal by promoting illegal immigration through hiring illegal immigrants and theft by causing higher taxation and higher costs for services to others like myself.

I'm an electrical contractor in Southern California . Years ago I was able to do a lot of residential work and make a few bucks at it . Not anymore . There is just to much cheap labor out there to be able to play by the rules Sacramento throws at us and still compete. The construction workers here illegally have killed this market for us . That and the cheap homeowners breaking the law hiring them.  Thankfully my commercial and industrial customers only hire legit companies that follow the rules of law.