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DV family has been great in the past, and you will be now.  So thanks to all in advance.

 

I am tasked with obtaining a more than a Walmart First Aid Kit for our church and I need your help. I am thinking a EMS/First Responder Emergency Medical Kit. In case of an earth quake or active shooter situation. It should include 4x4 gauze sponges,  abd pads, sam splints, quick clot, rolled gauze/kerlix, non-stick adhesive pads, butterfly stitches , steri-strips,  bp cuff and stethoscope,  glucose tabs,  a more than decent supply of flexible band-aids of various sizes, knuckle band-aids, triple antibiotic ointment, nitrile gloves (large) ,  air way,  hydrogen peroxide,  trauma sheers, tourniquet,  tegaderms, eye shields, oval eye pads, forceps, needle tweezers,  cpr pocket masks, flexible airway with lube, and more. I just cannot think of it all right now. All in a red or orange bag. Yes all that and for the least amount of money possible.  It is a small church 100- 125 people or so. Any better stocked kits, and or add ons that you all can suggest would be greatly appreciated. Name of Kits, manufacturers, websites, ebay, what a good price is, what an outrageous price may be .  Thanks again. I look forward to all y'alls responses. 

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You may have bitten off more than you want to chew.   There are any number of factors to consider.   Here are just a few.

 

How many people will you be treating?

 

What kind of use are you anticipating?  Will the kit be used in an office setting or maybe a mission trip to a third world country.  Will you be

engaged in hazardous work like building or repairing houses? 

 

Will you need a second kit for a church bus?

 

Do you have people qualified to utilize a more advanced kit?   If you don't have the skills,  don't buy the fancier kit. 

 

There will probably be expiration dated items in any kit you buy.  Will you be inspecting and replacing these items. 

 

Sorry, I see I'm  coming across too strongly.  In my previous  military life  I  was responsible for purchasing and maintaining tens of thousands

of first aid kits.  It can really become a big task.

 

To answer your question about a source,  here are a few sources available to you.     

                      Any medical supply store(i.e. Medline). 

                      Any police, fire or public safety supply store (i.e. Northern Safety).  

                       And many industrial supply companies like W. W. Grainger or Uline. 

 

Hope this helps.  Good Luck to you.

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3 hours ago, retiredaf said:

Sorry, I see I'm  coming across too strongly.  In my previous  military life 

 

Nah, don't be sorry, RetiredAF, a strong military is one of the best things in life AND The Top Of The Morning To You!!! :tiphat:

 

Thank You for Your service to our country, Sir, to be Strong AND Free!!! :salute:

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A few years back I put together 4 serious kits starting off with a Voodoo M3 Medic Bag. The do a search for a Trauma Repack kit which will have a good supply of the basics, do a search for Sports Clot, Burn Gel, Betadine wipes, Bug Bite wipes, Blow out wraps (gun shot) made tourniquets from elastic surgical tubing, Scalpel and blade, Suture kits , USGI Field Surgical kit, Individual wrapped pain pills,  Pen lights, flashlights, elastic wraps, Various sizes of Fabric Bandiaids, finger tip wraps, knuckle wraps, butterflies,  1 folding rigid splint and I forget what else.

 

I kept 2 and gave 2 away it Christmas. I have used mine once to fix a dog with a sprained leg while the 2 I gave out have came in handy quite often.

 

Recently I took mine to a Cert Class I was taking and learned a thing or three. 1st was it was a great kit and well thought out for a 1person or maybe 4 but not what CERT Is all about......Cert=Community Emergency Response Team ......Major incidents after an earth quake or other natural disaster.

 

So new line of thinking.......I just need to stop the blood and keep moving. New 3 Compartment bad, cut up towel, in various sizes and shapes, china markers, EMT Shears .

 

I will get some sources and pic's a little later.

 

Karsten

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I ordered a lot of the smaller items like wraps, pain pills, bug bite wipes, betadine wipes, burn gels, hydrocortizone cream from Moore Medical

 

https://www.mooremedical.com/

 

LA Police Gear for some serious wraps, chest seals, gun shot wound Kits, Quik Clot and what ever else you want to add.....Note (DO NOT Get ANY Quick Clot in the Eyes or you will have just caused the victim to more than likely be blind)

 

https://www.lapolicegear.com/mesu1.html

 

Bag I used for the CERT Bag expect I ordered Red

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BLUE-Tactical-EMT-First-Aid-Emergency-Medical-Kit-Concealed-Carry-Bag-2699/272410823650?epid=1277501419&hash=item3f6cf34be2:g:pakAAOSwdzVXiDjM

 

Voodoo Tacical for M3 Medic Bag....They only list Blue now,

 

https://www.voodootactical.net/hardware-equipment/tacmed/blue-emt-medical-field-kit.html

 

I also added a separate Bag Red Molle Bag to one side of mine for extra space.

 

https://www.voodootactical.net/hardware-equipment/tacmed/blue-emt-medical-field-kit.html

 

USGI Field Surgical kit

 

https://www.voodootactical.net/hardware-equipment/tacmed/military-surgical-kits-with-instruments-and-sutures-new.html

 

Moore Medical for Sutures,

 

https://www.mooremedical.com/index.cfm?/Surgical-Supplies-Sutures/_/N-eq/No-0/?Nao=0&Ds=0&N=530&No=0&PGC=910&FNC=Catalog_Sutures&Ns=TotalRevenue|1

 

I will be back again soon.

 

Karsten

 

 

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5 pages of just about every bandage, adhesive roll and what not you should ever need.

 

https://www.mooremedical.com/index.cfm?/Bandages-Wound-Care/&No=0&Nao=0&N=400&Ns=TotalRevenue|1&spx=1&CFID=147140103&CFTOKEN=37708149

 

Hydrogen Peroxide packets

 

http://www.medline.com/product/Hydrogen-Peroxide-Liquid-Pouches-by-Aplicare/Z05-PF33611

 

Include some water packets for both drinking and washing wounds.

 

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Emergency-Essentials-Drinking-Water-4-23-fl-oz-64-count/48735085?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227036596462&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=80715783512&wl4=aud-310687322322:pla-158887026752&wl5=9029703&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=48735085&wl13=&veh=sem

 

Handy to have but not necessary is a Geiegerrig Pack that you can Spray Water out of rather than suck like the others require.

 

https://www.aquamira.com/geigerrig/products/hydration-packs/

 

My M3 Medic Bag from Voodoo Tactical

 

g7Ba6G.jpg

 

Extra molle bag for more stuff....Can't every have too much stuff Note Tick Removal Tool chained to bags strap.

 

2BTCMq.jpg

 

M3 Bag open

 

SOewu3.jpg

 

Larger bag 8 Pocket with large main compartment for all out disaster roll out (check into CERT Training in your local area....Awesome course to be prepared for)

 

RtpIJv.jpg

 

CERT Bag open.....I just cut up clean towel, sheets into various Dressing sizes, vacuumn seals and packed away.

 

cs3Mcn.jpg

 

Karsten

 

 

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Well, for the life of me I can't find any basic refill/repack kits for EMT or Trauma Bags. In the past I have bought a couple Repack kits and they are full of the basic Gauze pads of all sizes, Rolls of Gauze, rolls of taps, airways, wraps and everything else to restock am EMT bags with the most used stuff. It was a cheap way to get a start on a great kit for very little expense.

 

I came across this 106 pcs refill but it doesn't go into whats it includes.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Red-Cross-First-Aid-Kit-Refill-Bulk-106Pcs-25-Ppl-711023-GR/132490910611?epid=1510582170&hash=item1ed912db93:g:IPIAAOSwecJac4jE

 

Also have on hand a good supply of Nitrile Gloves both Regular thickness and Extra HD 9 ML for when you might need to patch someone up you don't know. Harbor Freight is a great source for Nitrile Glove and they will even ship them to you direct.

 

5 ML gloves.

 

https://www.harborfreight.com/5-mil-nitrile-powder-free-gloves-100-pc-large-68497.html

 

9 ML gloves.

 

https://www.harborfreight.com/9-mil-nitrile-powder-free-gloves-50-pc-large-61744.html

 

Karsten

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14 hours ago, retiredaf said:

You may have bitten off more than you want to chew.   There are any number of factors to consider.   Here are just a few.

 

How many people will you be treating?

 

What kind of use are you anticipating?  Will the kit be used in an office setting or maybe a mission trip to a third world country.  Will you be

engaged in hazardous work like building or repairing houses? 

 

Will you need a second kit for a church bus?

 

Do you have people qualified to utilize a more advanced kit?   If you don't have the skills,  don't buy the fancier kit. 

 

There will probably be expiration dated items in any kit you buy.  Will you be inspecting and replacing these items. 

 

Sorry, I see I'm  coming across too strongly.  In my previous  military life  I  was responsible for purchasing and maintaining tens of thousands

of first aid kits.  It can really become a big task.

 

To answer your question about a source,  here are a few sources available to you.     

                      Any medical supply store(i.e. Medline). 

                      Any police, fire or public safety supply store (i.e. Northern Safety).  

                       And many industrial supply companies like W. W. Grainger or Uline. 

 

Hope this helps.  Good Luck to you.

I appreciate your comments ,  as well as all the other comments people have left regarding this post.  Honestly, I take a minor amount of umbrage with your use the words suggesting  " I may have  bitten off more than I can chew."  All the other points you mentioned are very well received. And I have already anticipated most of them already, with the exception of the school bus as our church as yet does not have a school bus .  I can build an awesome E.R. Kit with a visit to the local dollar store , a good medical supply store, and $150 to $200 at most. Why do that if one exhists already  my guesstimated price range ,or just slightly higher.  No need to re-invent the wheel so to speak. As a Nurse of 15 plus years, and the one that takes on the scarier cases my agency receives, I was not scared, I was honored when the Pastor in our initial security team meeting ask me to take on this task and gather the appropriate information, prior to our next meeting. My wife did not even flinch since she knows I jump and run  towards the emergency when it happens. I have been doing that for longer than I have been a Nurse. I was planning on asking the Fire Fighters, the EMT student, and 2 other Nurses I know of that attend our fellowship if they would pray about joining the Security Team. I would also suggest all members have a BLS Cert, even if they have a CCW.

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4 hours ago, Karsten said:

5 pages of just about every bandage, adhesive roll and what not you should ever need.

 

https://www.mooremedical.com/index.cfm?/Bandages-Wound-Care/&No=0&Nao=0&N=400&Ns=TotalRevenue|1&spx=1&CFID=147140103&CFTOKEN=37708149

 

Hydrogen Peroxide packets

 

http://www.medline.com/product/Hydrogen-Peroxide-Liquid-Pouches-by-Aplicare/Z05-PF33611

 

Include some water packets for both drinking and washing wounds.

 

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Emergency-Essentials-Drinking-Water-4-23-fl-oz-64-count/48735085?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227036596462&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=80715783512&wl4=aud-310687322322:pla-158887026752&wl5=9029703&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=48735085&wl13=&veh=sem

 

Handy to have but not necessary is a Geiegerrig Pack that you can Spray Water out of rather than suck like the others require.

 

https://www.aquamira.com/geigerrig/products/hydration-packs/

 

My M3 Medic Bag from Voodoo Tactical

 

g7Ba6G.jpg

 

Extra molle bag for more stuff....Can't every have too much stuff Note Tick Removal Tool chained to bags strap.

 

2BTCMq.jpg

 

M3 Bag open

 

SOewu3.jpg

 

Larger bag 8 Pocket with large main compartment for all out disaster roll out (check into CERT Training in your local area....Awesome course to be prepared for)

 

RtpIJv.jpg

 

CERT Bag open.....I just cut up clean towel, sheets into various Dressing sizes, vacuumn seals and packed away.

 

cs3Mcn.jpg

 

Karsten

 

 

Karsten ... THANK YOU. YOU ARE AWESOME. BEYOND AWESOME. Everyone that has shared on this thread is awesome. You and the DV Community have done it again. Adam give all these folks an award please. I will pay you back when this thing RV's. RETIREDAF, from the bottom of my heart thank you for your service. Ooorah .

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1 hour ago, retiredaf said:

Actually, I specifically said "more than you  WANT to chew,"  not more than you're  capable of doing.  I would never imply such a thing.     Please excuse me for giving you the wrong impression.  I wish you the best in your efforts.

 

 

I would have to say it is a slippery slope just about anyway you go at this.......Your 1st thought is to address what could, might maybe happen in your church....I will say you don't need what I have and RetiredAF has more than likely handle more stuff than all of us has. I put my bags together with just about everything I do, have done or known people to have done in the past.

 

That included gun shots, burn from M/C exhaust, Cuts, scraps and broken bones....You most likely don't need a full blown field kit where your thinking is help is miles or hours away. 

 

You just need something to have on hand for clumsy old people, maybe a few cut here and there, a slight burn from a coffee cup. That is a pretty easy tack and I will find you a nice kit.....I was thinking as I think Retired AF was that you needed a Battle Kit that needed to include everything but just short of a Sterile Tent to do surgery in.

 

Karsten

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12 minutes ago, Karsten said:

 

 

I would have to say it is a slippery slope just about anyway you go at this.......Your 1st thought is to address what could, might maybe happen in your church....I will say you don't need what I have and RetiredAF has more than likely handle more stuff than all of us has. I put my bags together with just about everything I do, have done or known people to have done in the past.

 

That included gun shots, burn from M/C exhaust, Cuts, scraps and broken bones....You most likely don't need a full blown field kit where your thinking is help is miles or hours away. 

 

You just need something to have on hand for clumsy old people, maybe a few cut here and there, a slight burn from a coffee cup. That is a pretty easy tack and I will find you a nice kit.....I was thinking as I think Retired AF was that you needed a Battle Kit that needed to include everything but just short of a Sterile Tent to do surgery in.

 

Karsten

Cool. No sterile surgical rooms for me. I thought about sutures and scalpels in this kit , but that is a little beyond stabilization. All the Pastoral staff and I are anticipating is stabilizing victims in a worse case scenario like an earth quake or post active shooter situation. In these cases stabilization of as many victims as possible is the name of the game. Yes I will have bandaids for the cuts, scrapes, and splinters. Mainly, I will seek a bunch of non- stick pads, 4x4, steri-strips and butterflys for temp stitches, Quick Clots, SAM Splints, burn gel, Cool paks, Kerlix can do to temporally stabilize broken bones, act as a sling, and to be used in forming pressure dressings. I will get a bunch of normal saline ampules for eye and wound wash. Alcohol wipes,  Sanitizing wipes, alcohol and peroxide. An airway. I like mooremedical  rescue response kit with the big valve mask. This one is $189.

 

Karsten and retiredaf, if I came off as anything less than appreciative of all your efforts I apologize. I didn't listen to that still small voice in me. Sorry.

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