guardian news Florida shooting: multiple fatalities confirmed at high school – live

[umbertino]

 

Police say suspected gunman is in custody

 

‘At least’ 14 victims reported at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school

 

School superintendent: ‘It’s a horrific situation. It’s a horrible day’

 

Sam Levin

Wed 14 Feb 2018 22.09 GMT First published on Wed 14 Feb 2018 21.07 GMT

 

Key events

 

• 8m ago Shooter was former student, police say
• 15m ago What we know
• 38m ago Video from inside the school
• 51m ago Police report 14 victims
• 1h ago Suspect is in custody
• 1h ago Multiple injuries reported

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Live feed

 

Vid in link

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/feb/14/florida-school-shooting-live-updates-latest-news-marjory-stoneman-douglas

[Bama Girl]

Yes, this is tragic and my heart goes out to the victims and families. My prayers are with each of them because I can’t imagine the pain each of them are suffering. 

 

As far as I am concerned, there are a lot of questions that need answers. The main one for me is how did a non-student of this school  have access to the alarm system?? The one thing I do know is that the Liberals answer, “we need more gun control”, is NOT the answer. There are laws in force at this moment that would have prevented this shooting IF this dude cared one whit about obeying laws. Jmho. 

Edited February 14, 2018 by Bama Girl

[Flash101]

At some point in time when do we start holding the parents responsible.

 

101

[billjr]

My EX lives in Boward county and her daughter is in high school. Her friend was in the class room right next to the room where most of the killings took place. She sent me the cell video as it was happening. Horrifying does not even begin to describe it. My prayers go out to the victims and their families. The only solution is to have armed guards and metal detectors at limited entrances. Sad world we live in that this is what it has come too. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

[Bama Girl]

7 minutes ago, Flash101 said:

At some point in time when do we start holding the parents responsible.

 

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Oh, I agree so much. This kind of behavior is mental illness. The school expelled him due to behavior problems so what did the parents do?? Did they try to get him help at some point? I realize that after 18 years of age, parents have little control, but this person had problems for a long time. It didn’t begin the day of the shooting. So sad. 

[Bama Girl]

4 minutes ago, billjr said:

My EX lives in Boward county and her daughter is in high school. Her friend was in the class room right next to the room where most of the killings took place. She sent me the cell video as it was happening. Horrifying does not even begin to describe it. My prayers go out to the victims and their families. The only solution is to have armed guards and metal detectors at limited entrances. Sad world we live in that this is what it has come too. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Well said, and it is a sad day for these safety features to have to be used, but that day is here! 

[Flash101]

I gotta give every1 the cup this morning for their comments not for what happen.

I use to live in Pompano HWY1 & Atlantic Blvd and I'm still thinking about moving back.

 

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[Shabibilicious]

12 hours ago, Flash101 said:

At some point in time when do we start holding the parents responsible.

 

101

 

It's being reported that his adopted mother, his last remaining parent, died in November.....He was living with family friends.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[umbertino]

Florida shooting: grieving community pleads for end to gun carnage

 

Gunman Nikolas Cruz, 19, charged with 17 counts of murder

 

Trump seems to reject moves towards gun control measures

 

 

Oliver Laughland and Richard Luscombe in Parkland and Ed Pilkington in New York

Thu 15 Feb 2018 17.51 GMT

 

 

Nikolas Cruz, in shackles, appears in Broward County court on Thursday afternoon

Photograph: Susan Stocker/AP

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 vids & 1 chart in link

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/15/florida-shooting-suspect-charged-questions-nikolas-cruz

 

[Bama Girl]

44 minutes ago, umbertino said:

Trump seems to reject moves towards gun control measures

 

I certainly hope so because more control will only affect honest law abiding citizens. The city of Chicago has some of the strongest gun laws and gun control in the nation and guess how much the laws have helped the gun murders in that city???? We don’t need more gun control, we need more character building and mental illness screening.  

The FBI was alerted a couple of years ago about a YouTube post by this person stating he planned a school shooting. (I am paraphrasing)  He had been a discipline problem for years in school and finally expelled.  There were major warning signs and no one seemed to do anything. Today we have 17 people dead because of the warning signs being ignored, not lack of gun control. All jmho. 

[umbertino]

When Will This Stop? 17 Shot Dead in Florida School Massacre, the 18th School Shooting of Year

 

February 15, 2018

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/2/15/when_will_this_stop_17_shot

[markb57]

There has NOT been 18 school shootings this year!

[Shabibilicious]

Shep Smith Lists All 25 Fatal School Shootings Since Columbine

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-anchor-shepard-smith-135841830.html

 

GO RV, then BV

Edited February 16, 2018 by Shabibilicious

[bostonangler]

8 hours ago, markb57 said:

There has NOT been 18 school shootings this year!

 

I don't think they meant in 2018... I think it was in a calendar year... I could be wrong, but that was my impression.

 

B/A

[bostonangler]

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how

Gun control discussions crop up every time there is an attention-grabbing shooting in the US. On Wednesday, a 19-year-old allegedly shot dozens of his former classmates at a Florida high school, leaving 17 of them dead.

One of the biggest questions: How does the US prevent this from happening over and over again?

Although the US has no exact counterpart elsewhere in the world, some countries have taken steps that can provide a window into what successful gun control looks like. Japan, a country of 127 million people and yearly gun deaths rarely totaling more than 10, is one such country.

"Ever since guns entered the country, Japan has always had strict gun laws," Iain Overton, executive director of Action on Armed Violence, a British advocacy group, told the BBC. "They are the first nation to impose gun laws in the whole world, and I think it laid down a bedrock saying that guns really don't play a part in civilian society."

Japan is a country with regulations upon regulations

Japan's success in curbing gun deaths is intimately linked with its history. Following World War II, pacifism emerged as one of the dominant philosophies in the country. Police only started carrying firearms after American troops made them, in 1946, for the sake of security. It's also written into Japanese law, as of 1958, that "no person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords."

Government has since loosened the law, but the fact Japan enacted gun control from the stance of prohibition is important. (It's also one of the main factors separating Japan from the US, where the Second Amendment broadly permits people to own guns.)

If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam

Japan has also embraced the idea that fewer guns in circulation will result in fewer deaths. Each prefecture — which ranges in size from half a million people to 12 million, in Tokyo — can operate a maximum of three gun shops; new magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones; and when gun owners die, their relatives must surrender the deceased member's firearms.

The role of trust can't be overstated

The result is a situation where citizens and police seldom wield or use guns.

Off-duty police aren't allowed to carry firearms, and most encounters with suspects involve some combination of martial arts or striking weapons. When Japanese attacks do turn deadly, they generally involve fatal stabbings. In July of 2016, an assailant killed 19 people in an assisted living facility. Japan rarely sees so many fatalities from guns in an entire year.

Gun control in Japan, combined with the prevailing respect for authority, has led to a more harmonious relationship between civilians and the police than in the US. It's something of a chicken-egg problem: The police, in choosing to use sub-lethal force on people, generate less widespread fear among the public that they'll be shot. In turn, people feel less of a need to arm themselves.

The US, meanwhile, has a more militarized police force that uses automatic weapons and armored cars. There is also less widespread trust between people (and between people and institutions). The factors combine to produce a much fearful culture that can seem to be always on-edge.

Japan's approach would be a tough sell in the face of American gun culture, but it can provide a starting point for reining in the senseless violence that has become a hallmark of life in the US.

[Synopsis]

The 1995 Oklahoma City Terrorist Attack and the 1999 Columbine School Shooting happened during exPresident Bill Clinton's terms.

 

exPresident Bill Clinton's Terms - 6:

• World Trade Center Bombing - 1993
• Oklahoma City Terrorist Attack - 1995
• April 20, 1999 - Columbine High School, Colorado
• February 29, 2000 - Buell Elementary School, Michigan
• May 26, 2000 - Lake Worth Middle School, Florida
• Nov. 20, 1999 - Deming Middle School, New Mexico

exPresident George Bush's Terms - 8:

• March 5, 2001 - Santana High School, California
• April 25, 2003 - Red Lion Area Junior High School, Pennsylvania
• September 24, 2003 - Rocori High School, Minnesota
• March 21, 2005. Red Lake High School, Minnesota
• November 8, 2005 - Campbell County Comprehensive High School, Tennessee
• Aug. 24, 2006 - Essex Elementary School, Vermont
• September 29, 2006 - Weston High School, Wisconsin
• October 2, 2006 - West Nickel Mines School, Pennsylvania

exPresident Barack Obama's Terms - 9:

• January 5, 2011 - Millard South High School, Nebraska
• February 27, 2012 - Chardon High School, Ohio
• December 14, 2012 - Sandy Hook Elementary, Connecticut
• October 21, 2013 - Sparks Middle School, Nevada
• December 13, 2013 -  Arapahoe High School, Colorado
• June 10, 2014  - Reynolds High School, Oregon
• October 24, 2014 -  Marysville-Pilchuck High School, Washington
• February 12, 2016 - Independence High School, Arizona
• September 28, 2016 - Townville Elementary, South Carolina

President Donald Trump's Term - 5:

• April 10, 2017 - North Park Elementary School, California
• September 13, 2017 - Freeman High School, Washington
• October 1, 2017 - Music Festival, Las Vegas
• January 23, 2018 - Marshall County High School, Kentucky
• February 14, 2018 - Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Florida

It is well know exPresident Bill Clinton was busy installing Chi-Com operatives into the various US agency organizations. The Chi-Coms have been very busy attempting to disarm The United States Of America Citizens while Hilly Clinton proposed a Small Arms Treaty at the UN that would have had direct implications on The United States Of America Citizens to observe their Constitutional Right to bear arms.

 

Looks like the Deep State, to include their psy ops, was installed and became very, very effective during this time period through today. At this pace, it looks like the Deep State is using this as well to attempt to use these mass shootings as a means to oust President Donald Trump from office.

 

Yes, these are ALL egregious and hideous crimes to be stopped by all appropriate means. Disarming The United States Of America Citizens and applying firearms restrictions is NOT a means to eliminate these crimes. Chicago, Illinois is a very prominent example of the failure of these types of firearms restrictions.

 

I grieve for the victims and the families of these victims for certain.

 

DRAIN THE SWAMP and all this crap will go away!!!

[Synopsis]

29 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

It's something of a chicken-egg problem: The police, in choosing to use sub-lethal force on people, generate less widespread fear among the public that they'll be shot. In turn, people feel less of a need to arm themselves.

 

 

Well, OK, Dianne Feinstein MAY not have said this but the illustration PERFECTLY applies.

 

Elitist Socialist Liberal Leftists - Snowflakes Who Believe Compromising One's Ability To Protect Themselves ACTUALLY Protects Them

 

                                  

 

              

[bostonangler]

4 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

DRAIN THE SWAMP and all this crap will go away!!!

 

If only it was that easy...

 

B/A

[Muleslayer]

13 hours ago, bostonangler said:

Japan's success in curbing gun deaths is intimately linked with its history.

Correct!

they surrendered to the allied powers!

correct me if I am wrong, but most people who surrender do just that.

Edited February 17, 2018 by Muleslayer
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[Indraman]

16 hours ago, bostonangler said:

 

I don't think they meant in 2018... I think it was in a calendar year... I could be wrong, but that was my impression.

 

B/A

 

Nope, they are saying there have been 18 school shootings this year. This is "Fake News" at its finest. There are rebuttals all across the internet calling this statistical error out by the MSM. Don't get me wrong, any school shooting is one too many, but this blatant lying by the MSM and no one correcting the record exposes that they have chosen a political side and are no longer objectively reporting the news.

 

Indy 

[bostonangler]

10 hours ago, Muleslayer said:

Correct!

they surrendered to the allied powers!

correct me if I am wrong, but most people who surrender do just that.

 

Yup that's why I posted it...  More laws are not the answer.

 

B/A

[MyLadiesDaddy]

On 2/15/2018 at 5:27 PM, umbertino said:

When Will This Stop? 17 Shot Dead in Florida School Massacre, the 18th School Shooting of Year

 

February 15, 2018

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/2/15/when_will_this_stop_17_shot

When you put God and prayer back in school, That's when

[caz1104]

On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 9:38 AM, Synopsis said:

 

 

Well, OK, Dianne Feinstein MAY not have said this but the illustration PERFECTLY applies.

 

Elitist Socialist Liberal Leftists - Snowflakes Who Believe Compromising One's Ability To Protect Themselves ACTUALLY Protects Them

 

                                  

 

              

Once my family was held up at gunpoint....that's when I purchased GUN's and decided to do whatever I could to NOT be a victim & protect my family.

[caz1104]

On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 8:43 AM, Shabibilicious said:

Shep Smith Lists All 25 Fatal School Shootings Since Columbine

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-anchor-shepard-smith-135841830.html

 

GO RV, then BV

Shabs

 

How many deaths are attributed to motor vehicle's?

[Synopsis]

Just now, caz1104 said:

Once my family was held up at gunpoint....that's when I purchased GUN's and decided to do whatever I could to NOT be a victim & protect my family.

 

Absolutely good move, CAZ1104!!!  Sure supports the "Land Of The Free AND The Home Of The Brave" principle!!!