Take Note If You Own A Firearm!

[tankdude]

Synopsis - you and I are on the same sheet of music - Believe me! I tend to be a fairly staunch Constitutionalist (but I also consider myself pretty open minded - heck  - I've even agreed with @Shabibilicious a number of times).  In my mind - the 2nd Amendment is a no brainer

 

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

A lot of people say "well - things have changed since the founding fathers wrote this."  While that may be true - but the does not mean that this right can be taken away. When this amendment was first enjoined - every male citizen was considered to be part of the Militia!  While we may now have State militias - read 'National Guard' - I firmly believe the right they had in mind was for every able bodied man to be able to defend the 'life, liberty or property' (as defined in the 14th amendment) that he has a right to.  That simple to me. 

 

Do I think we have a problem with mental health and background checks? Yes. Do I think we should have more controls on firearms? In many ways - yes...but to keep it with the 14th amendment - there HAS to be some sort of due process!!  You can't just unilaterally say 'Guns are bad so we won't let you have them. 

 

(For those of you hazy on the 14th amendment - here is the first clause - 

 

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

 

What I was talking about here was really just  a "pet peeve" I have of these type of things resurfacing as "current issues' when they have been floating around the internet for years. To me it's almost a type of "fake news'. Facebook is terrible with it - and most people won't go check the facts themselves. I'm simply advocating  that you research! Do your own Due Diligence!

 

Most people just don't want to do research!  It's there if you look - and just because you believe it doesn't make it true! Saying it EVEN LOUDER doesn't make it any truer!

 

 You have no idea how many times I've tried to tell  people Senators and Congressmen  - 

 

don't receive their salary for life -

can't vote a pay raise anytime they want

Don't receive free health care

Aren't exempt from Social Security

Aren't exempt from Income Tax

 

But of course, they don't want do believe that....so they don't - no matter how many places you send them to look - like this one!

 

https://perry.house.gov/constituent-services/myths-about-congress.htm

 

Sorry for the rant - guess I just needed to get on my soap box today.

 

 

 

 

[Karsten]

The Truth of the Matter do to the numbers.....It just ain't gonna happen and even the die hard liberals don't want to really go there....They just play the game to appease there liberal base like "Look we are trying to get Common Sense Gun Control Past" Vote for us.

 

Karsten

[Synopsis]

I, for one, really appreciate Your comments, TankDude! 

 

2 hours ago, tankdude said:

Do I think we have a problem with mental health and background checks? Yes. Do I think we should have more controls on firearms? In many ways - yes...but to keep it with the 14th amendment - there HAS to be some sort of due process!!  You can't just unilaterally say 'Guns are bad so we won't let you have them. 

 

 

I can understand where You are coming from here although I disagree with the "mental health and background checks" part.

 

Who in the world would establish the mental health suitability, or criterion thereof, of a firearms purchase applicant? The Socialist Liberal Leftists? Look at the ones in office today! They scare me more than any "standing army"!!! The mental health issue is impossible to be viewed outside of a political stand point for the extent, depth, and criterion associated with ascribed acceptable mental health of a firearms purchase applicant.

 

How about background checks? Who says the purchaser is the one who will at all times have possession and use of any firearm? Is the firearms purchaser the sole individual for the actions taken with the purchased firearm no matter who it is sold to for a cash value or barter after the initial purchase from a firearms dealer?

 

I don't mind individuals encouraged to obtain a concealed carry license in their State to include the reading of the applicable firearms laws and demonstrating a range proficiency test. Besides, I like the "cash and carry" for firearms purposes once I fill the form out. People wanting a Driver's License have to show relevant knowledgeability  and proficiency!

 

In my family, there were instances where family members went to the Department of Motor Vehicles to let them know a particular elderly family member SHOULD NOT be granted a renewed driver's license. The same thing could be applied to a concealed carry license.

 

Ultimately, there is no way a mental health and/or back ground check will eliminate a significant portion of the crimes committed with firearms.

 

The best defense against misuse of anything whether it be a firearm, vehicle, prescription drugs, or a host of things are responsible family, church, and community members.

 

Adherence to Common Sense, Rule Of Law, AND support Of Like Minded to include appropriate intervention is the key and most effective means to stave off a variety of maladies for the Life, Liberty, and Pursuit Of Happiness for all.

 

 

[Synopsis]

2 hours ago, Karsten said:

The Truth of the Matter do to the numbers.....It just ain't gonna happen and even the die hard liberals don't want to really go there....They just play the game to appease there liberal base like "Look we are trying to get Common Sense Gun Control Past" Vote for us.

 

Thank You, Karsten, for posting the Voice Of Reason! 

[Shabibilicious]

A mental health screening should be required for every person who is against mental health screenings.......for something is clearly amiss upstairs.  

 

GO RV, then BV

Edited January 9, 2018 by Shabibilicious

[MyLadiesDaddy]

23 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

A mental health screening should be required for every person who is against mental health screenings.......for something is clearly amiss upstairs.  

 

GO RV, then BV

Shabbs I say this with all the respect you've earned and deserve. 

Back in the early 70s it was the Democratic party that pushed a law through and got singed by Carter which released tens of thousands of 

severely mentally challenged people on society. It was the Democratic party that resisted, and still does, the notion that some mentally 

challenged people should never be institutionalized. This is one of the biggest problems with America today. I mean really do you think that 

Nancy Pelosi is sane? And just watch the morons in the LSM. I promise you that before the end of the year you will see some of those in 

the LSM actually loose it so much that they won't be able to function in their jobs.  

[Shabibilicious]

18 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Shabbs I say this with all the respect you've earned and deserve. 

Back in the early 70s it was the Democratic party that pushed a law through and got singed by Carter which released tens of thousands of 

severely mentally challenged people on society. It was the Democratic party that resisted, and still does, the notion that some mentally 

challenged people should never be institutionalized. This is one of the biggest problems with America today. I mean really do you think that 

Nancy Pelosi is sane? And just watch the morons in the LSM. I promise you that before the end of the year you will see some of those in 

the LSM actually loose it so much that they won't be able to function in their jobs.  

 

And I reciprocate your respect while agreeing that in the 70's lots of bad decisions were made, on both sides of the aisle.  I know I've said it a number of times and maybe you forgot, but I did vote for Reagan when I was old enough, just as I voted for Bush Sr, and W.....I do not follow party lines, just as I do not follow narcissistic, bigoted windbags, be it Trump or Pelosi....and yes I think they're both crazy.  A party is not what's important.  Now when it comes to the mass shootings that have happened in this country in recent memory, I can only think of one of those shooters being alive in the 70's, so this would appear to be a mental screening issue of today's society.  Hope this helps. 

 

GO RV, then BV 

[stangernan]

On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 3:44 PM, Synopsis said:

 

With all due respect, Sir - Lest We Forget the Sacrifices Made AND the Reason(s) those Sacrifices were made. Some folks just DO NOT seem to get it for the reasons why the Socialist Liberal Left agenda is confronted and repudiated.

 

For sure, it is more than simply the Second Amendment but is also a reason for personal safety and security for personal safety, freedoms, AND Rule Of Law!

 

Again, I would like to Thank You, TankDude, AND all the others who have and are honorably serving in our Armed Forces especially those who Paid The Ultimate Price!!!

 

              

Synopsis, You are so right and incredibly articulate, so eloquently spoken as are all your articles posted...everyone should read this post by bigwave (TY by the way) and RE-read it as a reminder why it is so important!!!!!

[Synopsis]

23 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

Now when it comes to the mass shootings that have happened in this country in recent memory, I can only think of one of those shooters being alive in the 70's, so this would appear to be a mental screening issue of today's society.  Hope this helps. 

 

Interesting, Shabibilicious.

 

              

 

Why would You say the portion I highlighted?

 

Mental Health can have a degree of objectivity. However, when applied to becoming married, acquiring a driver's license, starting any job, being elected to a civil office, buying a house..................................................................................

 

How in the world would a "mental health check" or "mental health evaluation" have prevented the "mass shootings that have happened in the country in recent memory" when firearms or other implements of mass destruction are obtained without purchase from a licensed dealer or legitimate business where a "mental health evaluation" or "mental health check" could be required to be "cleared" prior to purchase?

 

Transactions regarding firearms legally happens on a person to person basis and firearms have been stolen (illegal, of course) where these firearms are then used in a crime.

 

Subjecting law abiding citizens to some form of "mental health evaluation" or "mental health check" will NOT abate heinous crimes.

 

Common sense is not so common.

 

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/voltaire_106180

 

              

 

Firearms are NOT by far the only things used in committing crimes where the criminal takes the life or lives of others. Would an individual be subjected to a "mental health evaluation" or "mental health check" for purchasing a knife? Purchasing a car or truck? Purchasing alcohol?

 

Addressing heinous crimes by applying restrictions on law abiding firearms purchases WILL NOT abate any heinous crime of any sort committed with ANY implement of any sort.

 

Maybe go back to bed to "enjoy a McDouble in bed while pondering world issues", Shabibilicious! With comments You make consistently, maybe that is the place for YOU and YOUR blankie, Shabibilicious!

 

 

Snowflakes. Socialist Liberal Leftists.

 

                                 

 

              

[Synopsis]

20 minutes ago, stangernan said:

Synopsis, You are so right and incredibly articulate, so eloquently spoken as are all your articles posted...everyone should read this post by bigwave (TY by the way) and RE-read it as a reminder why it is so important!!!!!

 

Thank You, StangerNan! I am privileged to be in the company of very fine individuals here at DV like Yourself.

 

A few others, eh.................................

[Shabibilicious]

5 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

 

Thank You, StangerNan! I am privileged to be in the company of very fine individuals here at DV like Yourself.

 

A few others, eh.................................

 

I like your Voltaire meme....it makes perfect common sense actually.  Just as "All citizens are law abiding, until they chose not to be".  Any precaution that can be taken to keep a firearm out of the hands of mentally ill individuals should be taken.  You use the same old argument that there are lots of implements of destruction and therefore mental health screenings for gun purchases are senseless.  Well it's pretty hard to drive a van from the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas hotel to kill people.  So, any precaution that drops the death percentages is a good thing....common sense, really.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[stangernan]

6 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

I like your Voltaire meme....it makes perfect common sense actually.  Just as "All citizens are law abiding, until they chose not to be".  Any precaution that can be taken to keep a firearm out of the hands of mentally ill individuals should be taken.  You use the same old argument that there are lots of implements of destruction and therefore mental health screenings for gun purchases are senseless.  Well it's pretty hard to drive a van from the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas hotel to kill people.  So, any precaution that drops the death percentages is a good thing....common sense, really.  

 

GO RV, then BV

Where there's a WILL to kill there's a WAY to kill!!  I hate to get into this but,,,its not the guns it's the people!!! If they cant shoot they will stab, choke, poison, bomb (yes I said bomb)  run down with vehicle, burn and the list goes on and ON...and ON...just had to say it!!

[Shabibilicious]

1 minute ago, stangernan said:

Where there's a WILL to kill there's a WAY to kill!!  I hate to get into this but,,,its not the guns it's the people!!! If they cant shoot they will stab, choke, poison, bomb (yes I said bomb)  run down with vehicle, burn and the list goes on and ON...and ON...just had to say it!!

 

Mental health screenings are about the individual,  not the guns........Same as taking an eye test to get your driver's license.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[stangernan]

1 minute ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Mental health screenings are about the individual,  not the guns........Same as taking an eye test to get your driver's license.  

 

GO RV, then BV

Sorry.. Sane today Gone tomorrow!! people snap, sorry to say it could happen in an instant.  So like I said where there's a will there's a way

[8th ID]

7 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

Mental health screenings are about the individual,  not the guns........Same as taking an eye test to get your driver's license.  

So are you saying everyone should have or be required to have a mental health screening? If so, I do have an issue with that.

[Shabibilicious]

1 minute ago, 8th ID said:

So are you saying everyone should have or be required to have a mental health screening? If so, I do have an issue with that.

 

No, I'm not saying that.....and the variables involved in any type of mental screening would require much debate to come up with the proper procedures.  But to simply disregard mental instability or even PTSD in the process of selling a gun seems completely irresponsible to me.  

 

GO RV, then BV 

[DinarDavo]

31 minutes ago, 8th ID said:

So are you saying everyone should have or be required to have a mental health screening? If so, I do have an issue with that.

 

...only if one is buying a firearm, a knife, a brick, a hammer, an automobile, truck, plane ticket, flight instruction, fertilizer, or any form of poison, baseball bat, rope......yeah

Edited January 10, 2018 by DinarDavo

[nstoolman1]

On January 9, 2018 at 5:47 AM, Shabibilicious said:

A mental health screening should be required for every person who is against mental health screenings.......for something is clearly amiss upstairs.  

 

GO RV, then BV

That statement alone is a perfect example of what is wrong with the idea of health checks. You just basically said most of the 2A supporters should not be able to own a firearm. 

Blanket statements like that are dangerous. Who determines the guidelines used. Some political hack with an agenda?

Some Dr. with an ax to grind about guns? A family member or person who has a grevience against you, an ex spouse in a custody hearing? This is just too wide of a hall to throw that hot dog down. 

And NO, not all citizens are law abiding.  If a person has a criminal record "no guns for you". 

I can kill more people with a car than a gun yet I don' t need a license to buy a car, don't need a bg check. 

If the BG check system is used properly I have no issue with it. 

[Synopsis]

50 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

You use the same old argument that there are lots of implements of destruction and therefore mental health screenings for gun purchases are senseless. 

 

1 hour ago, Synopsis said:

Transactions regarding firearms legally happens on a person to person basis and firearms have been stolen (illegal, of course) where these firearms are then used in a crime.

 

Hmmmmmm.......................................

 

Shabibilicious, YOU are STILL having problems reading.

 

              

 

IF (and I say ONLY IF) additional requirements were used to be imposed on individuals, such as some type of “mental health evaluation”, when purchasing a firearm from a licensed dealer, there would still be little to no impact on abating heinous crimes.

 

A person committing a crime, whatever it is, DOES NOT care about other moral principles or laws. Firearms are stolen all the time and there is a black market for them. Imposing some type of “mental health clearance” on individuals purchasing a firearm will not impede others from obtaining one or more firearms (or knives, or cars, or trucks, or whatever) to commit a crime.

 

Maybe a better use of “mental health screenings” is for YOU, Shabibilicious, to undergo a “mental health screening” before being allowed to post here on DV. I don’t think we’d hear anything further from YOU, Shabibilicious!!!

 

Snowflakes. Socialist Liberal Leftists.

 

                                 

 

              

 

And, YOU, Shabibilicious, would say something like THIS???

 

On 1/9/2018 at 6:47 AM, Shabibilicious said:

A mental health screening should be required for every person who is against mental health screenings.......for something is clearly amiss upstairs.  

 

GO RV, then BV

 

Yes, Shabibilicious, YOU are missing things like “Common Sense” upstairs!!!

 

How is Your, Shabibilicious, McDouble You are enjoying in Your bed with Your nice warm blankie? 

[Shabibilicious]

3 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

 

 

Hmmmmmm.......................................

 

Shabibilicious, YOU are STILL having problems reading.

 

              

 

IF (and I say ONLY IF) additional requirements were used to be imposed on individuals, such as some type of “mental health evaluation”, when purchasing a firearm from a licensed dealer, there would still be little to no impact on abating heinous crimes.

 

A person committing a crime, whatever it is, DOES NOT care about other moral principles or laws. Firearms are stolen all the time and there is a black market for them. Imposing some type of “mental health clearance” on individuals purchasing a firearm will not impede others from obtaining one or more firearms (or knives, or cars, or trucks, or whatever) to commit a crime.

 

Maybe a better use of “mental health screenings” is for YOU, Shabibilicious, to undergo a “mental health screening” before being allowed to post here on DV. I don’t think we’d hear anything further from YOU, Shabibilicious!!!

 

Snowflakes. Socialist Liberal Leftists.

 

                                 

 

              

 

And, YOU, Shabibilicious, would say something like THIS???

 

 

Yes, Shabibilicious, YOU are missing things like “Common Sense” upstairs!!!

 

How is Your, Shabibilicious, McDouble You are enjoying in Your bed with Your nice warm blankie? 

 

And still you like so many others resort to personal attacks.....A typical response by those who feel threatened mentally.  You're not the first person and certainly won't be the last who wants to have my posting rights taken away.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[Shabibilicious]

12 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

That statement alone is a perfect example of what is wrong with the idea of health checks. You just basically said most of the 2A supporters should not be able to own a firearm. 

Blanket statements like that are dangerous. Who determines the guidelines used. Some political hack with an agenda?

Some Dr. with an ax to grind about guns? A family member or person who has a grevience against you, an ex spouse in a custody hearing? This is just too wide of a hall to throw that hot dog down. 

And NO, not all citizens are law abiding.  If a person has a criminal record "no guns for you". 

I can kill more people with a car than a gun yet I don' t need a license to buy a car, don't need a bg check. 

If the BG check system is used properly I have no issue with it. 

 

You are correct, nstoolman.  You don't need a license to buy a car.....but you do need one to drive it legally.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[Synopsis]

Just now, Shabibilicious said:

 

And still you like so many others resort to personal attacks.....A typical response by those who feel threatened mentally.  You're not the first person and certainly won't be the last who wants to have my posting rights taken away.  

 

GO RV, then BV

 

Interesting, yet completely idiotic.

 

Do YOU, Shabibilicious, really believe the cognitive dissonance YOU, Shabibilicious, so prolifically post and claim a personal attack???!!!

 

Do You, Shabibilicious, really take issue with reposts of YOUR, Shabibilicious, statements and claim a personal attack???!!!

 

Are YOU, Shabibilicious, NOT making hit and run statements and then claim it is a personal attack???!!!

 

Hmmmmmmmmmm.......................................................Shabiblicious???!!!

 

Are You, Shabibilicious, trying to garner sympathy for YOU, Shabibilicious, AND YOUR statements while attempting to censure and/or eliminate ANY response You, Shabibilicious, do not like???!!!

 

Objectively speaking, ARE NOT YOU, Shabibilicious, the one who “feels threatened mentally” by making such stupid and imbiliciliatory statements akin to senseless babble???!!!

 

Snowflakes. Socialist Liberal Leftists.

 

                                 

 

              

[Shabibilicious]

4 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

 

Interesting, yet completely idiotic.

 

Do YOU, Shabibilicious, really believe the cognitive dissonance YOU, Shabibilicious, so prolifically post and claim a personal attack???!!!

 

Do You, Shabibilicious, really take issue with reposts of YOUR, Shabibilicious, statements and claim a personal attack???!!!

 

Are YOU, Shabibilicious, NOT making hit and run statements and then claim it is a personal attack???!!!

 

Hmmmmmmmmmm.......................................................Shabiblicious???!!!

 

Are You, Shabibilicious, trying to garner sympathy for YOU, Shabibilicious, AND YOUR statements while attempting to censure and/or eliminate ANY response You, Shabibilicious, do not like???!!!

 

Objectively speaking, ARE NOT YOU, Shabibilicious, the one who “feels threatened mentally” by making such stupid and imbiliciliatory statements akin to senseless babble???!!!

 

Snowflakes. Socialist Liberal Leftists.

 

                                 

 

              

 

Only one of us here, Synopsis, would like the other to have a mental health screening because of political differences.........You should own it, Synopsis.  Don't be afraid.   

 

GO RV, then BV 

[Synopsis]

6 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Only one of us here, Synopsis, would like the other to have a mental health screening because of political differences.........You should own it, Synopsis.  Don't be afraid.   

 

GO RV, then BV 

 

14 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

Are YOU, Shabibilicious, NOT making hit and run statements and then claim it is a personal attack???!!!

 

On 1/9/2018 at 6:47 AM, Shabibilicious said:

A mental health screening should be required for every person who is against mental health screenings.......for something is clearly amiss upstairs.  

 

GO RV, then BV

 

Shabibilicious, ARE YOU Stark Raving MAD???!!!

 

YOU, Shabibilicious, ARE the ONE who thinks others “to have a mental health screening because of political differences”!!!

 

YOU, Shabibilicious, made the statements so now YOU, Shabibilicious, OWN IT. Come join us, Shabibilicious, in NOT being afraid. TRUTH and consistency in mental aptitude demonstration is far more comforting than the McDouble YOU, Shabibilicious, enjoy in YOUR bed with YOUR, Shabibilicious, nice warm blankie!!!

 

Snowflakes. Socialist Liberal Leftists.

 

                                 

 

              

[Shabibilicious]

3 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

 

 

 

Shabibilicious, ARE YOU Stark Raving MAD???!!!

 

YOU, Shabibilicious, ARE the ONE who thinks others “to have a mental health screening because of political differences”!!!

 

YOU, Shabibilicious, made the statements so now YOU, Shabibilicious, OWN IT. Come join us, Shabibilicious, in NOT being afraid. TRUTH and consistency in mental aptitude demonstration is far more comforting than the McDouble YOU, Shabibilicious, enjoy in YOUR bed with YOUR, Shabibilicious, nice warm blankie!!!

 

Snowflakes. Socialist Liberal Leftists.

 

                                 

 

              

 

 

GO RV, then BV