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Three women shared stories on of sexual harassment on TV on Monday

 

Trump says claims are ‘false accusations from women I have never met’

 

Amanda Holpuch in New York

Tuesday 12 December 2017 14.23 GMT

 

 

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Donald Trump blamed a Democratic plot
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36 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

What did Trump mean by Lightweight Gillibrand...."begging for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them)"....?

 

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Gillibrand was a nobody before she took over the office for Hitlary's Senate seat in NY. And that is why she is a lightweight.

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2 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

What did Trump mean by Lightweight Gillibrand...."begging for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them)"....?

 

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That she came to his office and asked him to contribute to her campaign and she seemed to be willing to do anything for that contribution?  Why would she lower herself to a man like him and ask him for money???

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1 hour ago, Markinsa said:

 

That she came to his office and asked him to contribute to her campaign and she seemed to be willing to do anything for that contribution?  Why would she lower herself to a man like him and ask him for money???

Oh I don't know, maybe to get elected like the rest of the candidates that spew dirt on Wall Street types publicly while having their hands out for a little campaign cash. If she won she would help a building project or 2 to sail through the red tape quicker. Get Federal approval, if that was necessary. Yup, that's what Trump meant by the comment (and would do anything for them {campaign contributions] ) . He did say that prior to being elected Prez, he would give campaign contributions to candidates from both sides, for such future considerations, as a cost of doing business. Pull your seedy dirty minds out of the gutter folks. I seems ya'll will twist anything up so you can interpret it the wrong way to prove your point, or lack there of. JMHO

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2 hours ago, new york kevin said:

Oh I don't know, maybe to get elected like the rest of the candidates that spew dirt on Wall Street types publicly while having their hands out for a little campaign cash. If she won she would help a building project or 2 to sail through the red tape quicker. Get Federal approval, if that was necessary. Yup, that's what Trump meant by the comment (and would do anything for them {campaign contributions] ) . He did say that prior to being elected Prez, he would give campaign contributions to candidates from both sides, for such future considerations, as a cost of doing business. Pull your seedy dirty minds out of the gutter folks. I seems ya'll will twist anything up so you can interpret it the wrong way to prove your point, or lack there of. JMHO

Well stated and to the point.....Not everyone out there is looking for sexual favors like some would have you think......Then again the politics being what it is....A road to get rich quick these days, a favor is a favor and worth big bucks.

 

Karsten

 

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2 hours ago, new york kevin said:

Oh I don't know, maybe to get elected like the rest of the candidates that spew dirt on Wall Street types publicly while having their hands out for a little campaign cash. If she won she would help a building project or 2 to sail through the red tape quicker. Get Federal approval, if that was necessary. Yup, that's what Trump meant by the comment (and would do anything for them {campaign contributions] ) . He did say that prior to being elected Prez, he would give campaign contributions to candidates from both sides, for such future considerations, as a cost of doing business. Pull your seedy dirty minds out of the gutter folks. I seems ya'll will twist anything up so you can interpret it the wrong way to prove your point, or lack there of. JMHO

Couldn't of said it any clearer than that.  Now a days it seems everyone's heads are no place but in the twisted gutter.   

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7 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Sorry, I carelessly thought quotation marks would be sufficient in the identification of my question, my bigly bad.   ;)

 

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You had an identification in your question? Man you are being racist now! How dare you include identification in your quote!

 

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16 hours ago, new york kevin said:

Oh I don't know, maybe to get elected like the rest of the candidates that spew dirt on Wall Street types publicly while having their hands out for a little campaign cash. If she won she would help a building project or 2 to sail through the red tape quicker. Get Federal approval, if that was necessary. Yup, that's what Trump meant by the comment (and would do anything for them {campaign contributions] ) . He did say that prior to being elected Prez, he would give campaign contributions to candidates from both sides, for such future considerations, as a cost of doing business. Pull your seedy dirty minds out of the gutter folks. I seems ya'll will twist anything up so you can interpret it the wrong way to prove your point, or lack there of. JMHO

 

You make valid points, Kevin.  However, with the plethora of women accusing Trump of sexual misconduct and his audio taped admission of similar lewdness.......the gutter seems to be where Trump's comments/tweets are generally formed.  As always, just my unpopular opinion.  ;)

 

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When I read this tweet, my first instinct was to interpret that he was referring to her general nature of requesting for campaign contributions from just about anyone. In fact, she asked for Bill Clinton to campaign for her in the 2016 election process, just about a year ago. 

 

So if she was willing to ask for help from another accused sex offender who happened to have a (D) next to his name, but now opposes accused sex offenders with an (R) next to their names, I don't put any weight in her moral high road.

 

I guess the Left has come to the conclusion that Russia Gate is going nowhere against this POTUS and will now try the, "Please Resign" route in hopes of turning the mid-terms. This second route may be working, to some degree. 

 

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The wife of NHL hockey great Luc Robitaille claims Trump made advances toward her in a Madison Square Garden elevator.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/luc-robitailles-wife-stacia-alleges-trump-made-aggressive-advances-elevator-150356866.html 

 

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Any good hockey wife would know enough to pull Donald's overcoat over his head and commence to bashing.  :lol:

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I don't think dating will ever be the same ever again. I should be in jail for as many times I made an advance to a woman in a night club, elevator, on a beach somewhere; don't  forget  any cheerleaders in H.S., or girls that tried out for the H.S. plays; all that I struck out with. A 40 year sentence no doubt. Could I get any charges against the 7 different women that made unwanted advances to me,  and groped me. Never when I was single and unsaved, only after I was married and was a devout Christian. The world population will decrease, and all our jobs will go back overseas again. I can't wait for that proof, if it exists, that the women accusing Trump of stuff now that he is POTUS, were paid. 

 

What would I be accused of if I called this a "*** for tat" thing ? Will this comment be edited by the Mods? yup, is was edited by the system, well now I know you cannot write the word ***.

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10 minutes ago, new york kevin said:

I don't think dating will ever be the same ever again. I should be in jail for as many times I made an advance to a woman in a night club, elevator, on a beach somewhere; don't  forget  any cheerleaders in H.S., or girls that tried out for the H.S. plays; all that I struck out with. A 40 year sentence no doubt. Could I get any charges against the 7 different women that made unwanted advances to me,  and groped me. Never when I was single and unsaved, only after I was married and was a devout Christian. The world population will decrease, and all our jobs will go back overseas again. I can't wait for that proof, if it exists, that the women accusing Trump of stuff now that he is POTUS, were paid. 

 

What would I be accused of if I called this a "*** for tat" thing ? Will this comment be edited by the Mods? yup, is was edited by the system, well now I know you cannot write the word ***.

 

Don't hold your breath waiting for proof of payment, Kev......Trump doesn't pay hush money.  That would be the equivalent of admitting guilt and we all know he wasn't raised that way.  :D

 

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This is Duke, Rolling Stones and others like it all over again. A woman must be heard and an investigation must be ensued but until there is viable and incontrovertible proof, men's livelihoods should not be denigrated. All one has to do now is just claim sexual harassment against a man and his career is over. This is lynching in the 21st century. All one has to do to have their career destroyed is get accused of sexual harassment. Like the Duke case and the rolling Stone case, the students were expelled from campus. They were not suspended but kicked off of campus from a mere accusation which when investigated couldn't hold water in a bucket it had so many holes in it. I agree with some that the Dems are throwing their own people under the bus to get rid of trump. Conyers was easy Franken not so much and he still hasn't resigned. His resignation was nothing more than a paper tiger. The others that were caught up in this mess aside from Weinstein are collateral damage. To be honest, they were looking to get rid of Lauer after Couric left. Couric and Lauer were reportedly at odds with one another and did not get along off the camera. Maybe why she has not said too much about the situation. The Russia Collusion is prosecuting those for other crimes not related to the Russia investigation. Mueller's team is bias politically and Mueller himself should have never been appointed. Rosenstien should be ousted from his job as soon as this is all over as he too his against the current President. Fire Mueller. Fire Rosenstien, if Sessions won't go after Hitlary, fire him to and put someone in with the cajones to do the job.

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2 hours ago, Karsten said:

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It seems this goes way back to before he was a candidate... Why can't people handle the truth? Do you believe there is a giant conspiracy that started in the 1990's? 

B/A

 

 

 

1. Jill Harth

Years of alleged incidents: 1992-1993

Allegations: Harth, a makeup artist, filed a lawsuit in 1997 that claimed Trump repeatedly made unwanted sexual advances toward her. She told The Guardian in a July 20, 2016 article that he groped her under a table at a dinner with beauty pageant contestants in 1992. In January 1993, she told The Guardian, he “pushed me up against the wall, and had his hands all over me and tried to get up my dress again” in one of his children’s rooms at Mar-a-Lago.

Harth dropped her lawsuit weeks later after her then-romantic partner George Houraney settled a separate business lawsuit with Trump.

 
 

Trump’s response: Trump has denied the allegation. Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump, told The Guardian at the time: “It is disheartening that one has to dignify a response to the below absurd query. Mr Trump denies each and every statement made by Ms. Harth as these 24-year-old allegations lack any merit or veracity.”

2. Bridget Sullivan

Year of alleged incident: 2000

Allegations: Sullivan, a former Miss New Hampshire and runner-up for Miss USA 2000, told BuzzFeed News for a May 18, 2016 story that Trump would hug “you just a little low on your back” and that he once walked through dressing rooms while many contestants were undressed.

Trump’s response: Trump spokesperson Hope Hicks told BuzzFeed News that the stories mentioned in the article are “totally false.”

 
 

3. Cassandra Searles

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Caasandra Searles at the 2013 Miss USA Pageant in Las Vegas. (Michael Stewart)
Caasandra Searles at the 2013 Miss USA Pageant in Las Vegas. (Michael Stewart)
(Michael Stewart)

Year of alleged incident: 2013

Allegations: Searles, Miss Washington 2013, wrote in a June 2016 Facebook post: “Do y’all remember that one time we had to do our on stage introductions, but this one guy treated us like cattle and made us do it again because we didn’t look him in the eyes? Do you also remember when he then proceeded to have us lined up so he could get a closer look at his property? Oh I forgot to mention that guy will be in the running to become the next President of the United States. I love the idea of having a misogynist as the President.”

 
 

She added in a comment, according to Rolling Stone: “He probably doesn’t want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room.”

Trump’s response: Trump has denied all allegations, but hasn’t commented on the specifics of Searles’ accusation.

4. Tasha Dixon

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Tasha Dixon at Manuel at The House Of Flaunt Designer Retreat Day (Michael Bezjian)
Tasha Dixon at Manuel at The House Of Flaunt Designer Retreat Day (Michael Bezjian)
Michael Bezjian)

Year of alleged incident: 2001

 
 

Allegations: Another Trump accuser, Dixon, a former Miss Arizona, told a Los Angeles CBS affiliate for an Oct. 11, 2016 story that Trump came into the dressing room at the 2001 Miss USA pageant while the women were “half naked changing in our bikinis. … There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything.” Dixon was 18 at the time.

In a 2005 interview with Howard Stern, unearthed by CNN during the campaign, Trump said that he went backstage during his pageants. “I’ll go backstage and everyone’s getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump told Stern. “You know, I’m inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good.”

 
 

Trump’s response: The campaign said in a statement to the Washington Post: “These accusations have no merit and have already been disproven by many other individuals who were present. When you see questionable attacks like this magically put out there in the final month of a presidential campaign, you have to ask yourself what the political motivations are and why the media is pushing it.”

5. Jessica Leeds

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Jessica Leeds speaks during a press conference on Dec. 11, 2017. (Monica Schipper)
Jessica Leeds speaks during a press conference on Dec. 11, 2017. (Monica Schipper)
Monica Schipper)

Year of alleged incident: Early 1980s

 
 

Allegations: Leeds told the New York Times in an Oct. 12, 2016 story that Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt when she sat next to him in first class on an airplane. “His hands were everywhere,” she said. Leeds told Megyn Kelly on Dec. 11, 2017 that she encountered Trump three years later at a charity gala in Manhattan, where he called her a “c–t.”

Trump’s response: At an October 2016 rally, Trump said of Leeds: “When you looked at that horrible woman last night, you said ‘I don’t think so. … I don’t think so.’ Whoever she is, wherever she comes from, the stories are total fiction. They are 100 percent made up. They never happened. They never would happen. I don’t think it happened with very many people, but they certainly aren’t gonna happen with me.”

 
 

6. Rachel Crooks

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Rachel Crooks speaks during the press conference on Dec. 11, 2017. (Monica Schipper)
Rachel Crooks speaks during the press conference on Dec. 11, 2017. (Monica Schipper)
Monica Schipper)

Year of alleged incident: 2005

Allegations: Trump accuser Crooks told the New York Times in an Oct. 12, 2016 story that Trump kissed her without her consent while she was working as a receptionist for the Bayrock Group, which had an office inside Trump Tower. Crooks, who was 22 at the time, said that she encountered Trump outside an elevator, where she introduced herself. She said he began kissing her cheeks and then kissed her on the mouth. “It was so inappropriate,” Crooks told the Times.

 
 

Response: Trump told the Times: “None of this ever took place.”

7. Mindy McGillivray

Year of alleged incident: 2003

Allegations: McGillivray told the Palm Beach Post in an Oct. 12, 2016 story that Trump groped her behind at Mar-a-Lago. She was 23 at the time. She said that he had flirted with her at his Florida estate two years earlier.

Trump’s response: Trump has denied all of the allegations against him, but hasn’t addressed McGillivray’s specific claims.

8. Natasha Stoynoff

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Journalist Natasha Stoynoff poses at the Simon & Schuster offices in downtown Toronto, Jan. 18, 2017.
Journalist Natasha Stoynoff poses at the Simon & Schuster offices in downtown Toronto, Jan. 18, 2017.
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Year of alleged incident: 2005

 
 

Allegations: Stoynoff, a former writer for People, which is owned by TIME’s parent company Time Inc., wrote an essay for People published Oct. 12, 2016 that alleged Trump “forc[ed] his tongue down my throat” during an interview at Mar-a-Lago. “You know we’re going to have an affair, don’t you?” Stoynoff said Trump told her at a time.

On Dec. 12, after Trump claimed he hadn’t met his accusers, People published a photo of Stoynoff with Trump and his wife Melania from the 2005 interview in Mar-a-Lago.

Trump’s response: At an October 2016 rally, Trump said: “She’s a liar. She is a liar… She’s writing a story — check out her Facebook page, you’ll understand.”

9. Mariah Billado

Year of alleged incident: 1997

Allegations: Billado, the 1997 Miss Vermont Teen USA, told BuzzFeed News for an Oct. 12, 2016 story that Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants were changing. She claimed that Trump said: “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”

 
 

Trump’s response: Trump has denied all allegations of sexual misconduct, but BuzzFeed News said Trump did not respond to Billado’s specific allegations.

10. Temple Taggart McDowell

Year of alleged incident: 1997

Allegations: Taggart McDowell told NBC News in an Oct. 13, 2016 story that Trump kissed her on the lips twice while she was representing Utah in the 1997 Miss USA pageant. She was 21 at the time. She said that a pageant chaperone witnessed the second alleged encounter and that it made her so uncomfortable that she advised Taggart McDowell not to be alone with Trump again.

Trump’s response: Trump told NBC News: “I don’t even know who she is. … She claims this took place in a public area. I never kissed her. I emphatically deny this ridiculous claim.”

 
 

11. Lisa Boyne

Year of alleged incident: Mid-1990s

Allegation: Boyne told HuffPost on Oct. 13. 2016 that at a dinner with Trump in the 1990s, women were only allowed to leave if they walked across the table. Boyne said Trump looked up the women’s skirts and commented on whether they were wearing underwear.

Trump’s response: Trump spokesperson Hope Hicks told HuffPost: “Mr. Trump never heard of this woman and would never do that.”

12. Summer Zervos

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Summer Zervos attends a press conference on Jan. 17, 2017. (David McNew)
Summer Zervos attends a press conference on Jan. 17, 2017. (David McNew)
David McNew)

Year of alleged incident: 2007

 
 

Allegations: Zervos, a former contestant on The Apprentice, said at a press conference on Oct. 14 that Trump kissed her without her consent at his office in New York after she reached out to him for business advice. She said that he later groped her and kissed her “very aggressively” before a dinner in Beverly Hills.

In January, Zervos filed a lawsuit against Trump alleging that he defamed her when he said she fabricated her account.

Trump’s response: In a statement, Trump said: “I never met her at a hotel or greeted her inappropriately a decade ago. … That is not who I am as a person, and it is not how I’ve conducted my life.”

13. Kristin Anderson

Year of alleged incident: Early 1990s

 
 

Allegations: In an interview with The Washington Post for an Oct. 14, 2016 story, Anderson said Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her ****** at a Manhattan nightclub when she was in her early 20s.

Trump’s response: Trump’s spokesperson Hope Hicks told the Post: “Mr. Trump strongly denies this phony allegation by someone looking to get some free publicity. It is totally ridiculous.”

14. Samantha Holvey

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Samantha Holvey speaks during the press conference on Dec. 11, 2017. (Monica Schipper)
Samantha Holvey speaks during the press conference on Dec. 11, 2017. (Monica Schipper)
Monica Schipper)

Year of alleged incident: 2006

 
 

Allegations: Holvey, the 2006 Miss North Carolina, told CNN on Oct. 14, 2016 that Trump personally inspected each of the Miss USA contestants in the month before the event. She was 20 at the time. “He would step in front of each girl and look you over from head to toe like we were just meat, we were just sexual objects, that we were not people,” Holvey said. “You know when a gross guy at the bar is checking you out? It’s that feeling.”

Trump’s response: Trump denied all allegations against him, but didn’t address Holvey’s specific claims during the campaign. When Holvey appeared on Megyn Kelly Today on Dec. 11, 2017 with Leeds and Crooks, the White House said in a statement: “These false claims, totally disputed in most cases by eyewitness accounts, were addressed at length during last year’s campaign, and the American people voiced their judgement by delivering a decisive victory. The timing and absurdity of these false claims speaks volumes and the publicity tour that has begun only further confirms the political motives behind them.”

 
 

15. Cathy Heller

Year of alleged incident: 1997

Allegations: Heller told The Guardian in an Oct. 16, 2016 story that Trump grabbed her and kissed her on the side of her mouth at a Mother’s Day brunch at his Mar-a-Lago estate. She said he became angry when she rejected his advances. “Oh, come on,” Heller said Trump responded.

Trump’s response: Jason Miller, a spokesperson for the Trump campaign, told The Guardian: “There is no way that something like this would have happened in a public place on Mother’s Day at Mr. Trump’s resort. … It would have been the talk of Palm Beach for the past two decades.”

16. Karena Virginia

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Karena Virginia at a press conference in New York on Oct. 20, 2016. (Justin Lane)
Karena Virginia at a press conference in New York on Oct. 20, 2016. (Justin Lane)
Justin Lane)

Year of alleged incident: 1998

 
 

Allegations: The yoga instructor said at an Oct. 20, 2016 press conference with her lawyer Gloria Allred that Trump touched her breast while she was waiting for a car service outside the U.S. Open. When she flinched, she said Trump told her: “Don’t you know who I am? Don’t you know who I am?”

She said that when she encountered him again years later, he looked her up and down.

Trump’s response: The Trump campaign said in a statement: “Discredited political operative Gloria Allred, in another coordinated, publicity seeking attack with the Clinton campaign, will stop at nothing to smear Mr. Trump. Give me a break. Voters are tired of these circus-like antics and reject these fictional stories and the clear efforts to benefit Hillarious Clinton.”

 
 

17. Jessica Drake

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Jessica Drake reads a statement on Oct. 22, 2016. (Mike Nelson)
Jessica Drake reads a statement on Oct. 22, 2016. (Mike Nelson)
Mike Nelson)

Year of alleged incident: 2006

Allegations: At a press conference on Oct. 22, 2016, Drake, an adult film star, said she met Trump at a charity golf tournament. She said he invited her to his hotel room. She said she brought two women to accompany her, and claimed that Trump hugged and kissed the three women without their permission once they arrived. She said that she left about 30 minutes later, but Trump later called asking her to come back alone. When she declined, Drake said Trump told her: “What do you want? How much?” She said he offered her $10,000 and use of his private plane and produced a photo taken of the two of them.

 

Response: A Trump spokesperson told CNN: “This story is totally false and ridiculous. The picture is one of thousands taken out of respect for people asking to have their picture taken with Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump does not know this person, does not remember this person and would have no interest in ever knowing her. This is just another attempt by the Clinton campaign to defame a candidate who just today is number one in three different polls. Anyone who would pay thugs to incite violence at a rally against American citizens, as was released on video, will stop at nothing. Just another example of the Clinton campaign trying to rig the election.”

During a New Hampshire radio interview, Trump said of his accusers: “These are stories that are made up, these are total fiction.” He added: “One said, ‘He grabbed me on the arm.’ And she’s a porn star. You know, this one that came out recently, ‘He grabbed me and he grabbed me on the arm.’ Oh, I’m sure she’s never been grabbed before.”

 

18. Ninni Laaksonen

Year of alleged incident: 2006

Allegations: Laaksonen, a former Miss Finland, told the Ilta-Sanomat newspaper for an Oct. 27, 2016 story that Trump grabbed her butt before she appeared on “Late Show With David Letterman” with other Miss Universe contestants. “I don’t think anybody saw it but I flinched and thought: ‘What is happening?’” she said. “It left me disgusted.”

Trump’s response: Trump has denied all allegations of sexual misconduct, but hasn’t addressed Laaksonen’s specific claims.

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Is it odd to anyone that all of these listed above are from 10 years ago or beyond.........why now?.....

 

I don't doubt any of them, just question the timing.....

 

There was one more recent from a pageant........but it was "he made us run through an additional rehearsal and made us feel like cattle".......

 

Very sad all of this is going on in our country...........entertainment, politics, sports.....and I guess just everywhere........

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15 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

Is it odd to anyone that all of these listed above are from 10 years ago or beyond.........why now?.....

 

I don't doubt any of them, just question the timing.....

 

There was one more recent from a pageant........but it was "he made us run through an additional rehearsal and made us feel like cattle".......

 

Very sad all of this is going on in our country...........entertainment, politics, sports.....and I guess just everywhere........

 

I agree, CoorsLite21, especially on the "why now?"

 

I remember Watergate. What a deal. Like other political parties weren't doing the same thing. Makes me wonder what was really going on behind the scenes. China visit in 1972? Going off the Gold Standard in 1971? Going on the Petrodollar in 1973? Hey, the French liked that one since they wanted oil to be traded in French Francs. Or earlier still, the French wanted to get their hands on American gold by redeeming the gold backed dollars for American gold. Or was it Vietnam where the US took over from the French. Well, who of us really knows what the mess was all about. And probably would have a heart attack or some other massive hemorrhage if the truth be known.

 

Kinda like today with President Donald J Trump et al for whatever they are being accused of.

 

The thought that ran across my mind was Al Franken being some type of sacrificial, well, something to use as political leverage on President Donald J Trump and others to, well, resign.

 

Not to justify any criminal acts or substantially inappropriate behavior but I do think it "convenient" to make a huge cacophony about all this now.

 

If nothing else, enduring the charges and accusations now means there is less to face and be impeded by later. So, maybe a good thing long term. I hate to see all this though if all just to try to make a big mess of things - for everybody.

 

Hey, maybe President Donald J Trump will appear on T.V. like exPresident Bill Clinton did while in office and say, "I did not have........................."

 

Kinda makes one wonder what else is really going on..............................................

 

 

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