umbertino Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Palestinian president seeks to rally support amid growing speculation White House plans to move US embassy from Tel Aviv Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem Monday 4 December 2017 08.35 GMT Mahmoud Abbas: ‘Recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel ... represents a threat to the future of the peace process.’ Photograph: EPA https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/03/abbas-warns-world-leaders-trump-recognition-jerusalem-us-embassy-move 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Riyadh has spoken out against US threats to move its diplomatic HQ from Tel Aviv but will the president listen? Ian Black Tuesday 5 December 2017 14.47 GMT Mohammed bin Salman with Donald Trump in Washington earlier this year Photograph: Mark Wilson/Getty Images https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/jerusalem-embassy-move-can-the-saudis-stay-trumps-hand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Officials confirm that US president will break with decades of diplomacy in a move many warn will trigger unrest in the region Julian Borger in Washington and Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem Wednesday 6 December 2017 10.30 GMT Israeli flag flies overlooking the old city of Jerusalem. Donald Trump will recognise holy city as the capital of Israel according to White House officials Photograph: Abir Sultan/EPA https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/06/trump-recognise-jerusalem-israel-capital-move-us-embassy-white-house 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Trump to plunge Middle East into 'fire with no end' with Jerusalem speech Pope among many critics urging president not to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital at planned speech on Wednesday Patrick Wintour Diplomatic editor Wednesday 6 December 2017 12.41 GMT https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/06/trump-to-plunge-middle-east-into-fire-with-no-end-with-jerusalem-speech 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabibilicious Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Trump poking a hornets nest for his personal amusement.......It's stupid and unnecessary for him to stir up an already shaky region. GO RV, then BV 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8th ID Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Whether you want to believe it or not, it is all working out according to GOD's plan. Things are happening just as he said. Through out the BIBLE, Jerusalem has been and will be a seat of turmoil till the LORD returns. This is the first verse that came to mind. There are others. Zechariah 12 King James Version (KJV) 2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Trump is different........and I am not sure what happens here with all of this.......if he keeps his word on this he will be the first President in 24 years to do so......article follows.... As I understand all of this.......Trump's first visits were to the ME for this very reason.....Arabs as a rule will not side with Israel .....although the Saudis in the early 70's made a deal with the US on the Petro Dollar where the US would protect them from the likes of Iran and Iraq.......and they would do what they could to protect Israel as well as buy sell all the oil in USD..... Fast forward to today.........They all still fear Iran.......The Saudis are willing to work with Israel because of this..... and..... Jordan is the key here..........their western border is shared with Palestine........that western area of Jordan is 100% populated by Palestinians.......that area will be given to Palestine to expand their borders........yes....there will be issues.......but if they all want to save themselves from Iran in the future.....they will work together..... BTW.........Trump isn't declaring anything as regard to all of this.........all he is doing is letting a long lasting document expire........by not signing it into existence for another 6 months.... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ MIDDLE EAST | MEMO FROM JERUSALEM An Embassy in Jerusalem? Trump Promises, but So Did Predecessors By PETER BAKERNOV. 18, 2016 Continue reading the main storyShare This Page Photo A poster of Donald J. Trump in the ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighborhood Mea Shearim in Jerusalem. The president-elect has promised to relocate the American Embassy to Jerusalem early in his administration.CreditAmir Cohen/Reuters JERUSALEM — America’s top diplomat in Jerusalem lives in an elegant three-story stone house first built by a German Lutheran missionary in 1868, a short walk from the historic Old City. But he is not an ambassador and the mission is a consulate, not an embassy. For decades, those distinctions have rankled many Israeli Jews. The United States, along with the rest of the world, has kept its primary diplomatic footprint not in Israel’s self-declared capital, Jerusalem, but in the commercial and cultural hub of Tel Aviv to avoid seeming to take sides in the fraught and never-ending argument over who really has the right to control this ancient city. Until now. Maybe. President-elect Donald J. Trump vowed during his campaign that he would relocate the mission “fairly quickly” after taking office. That in itself is nothing new: For years, candidates running for president have promised to move the embassy to Jerusalem, and for years, candidates who actually became president have opted against doing so. But just as Mr. Trump broke all the rules of campaigning, some of his supporters say no amount of hand-wringing by the State Department will change his mind. Jason Greenblatt, an Orthodox lawyer who is advising Mr. Trump on Israel, told Army Radio after the election that the president-elect was “going to do it” because he was “a man who keeps his word.” Already, many Israelis and Palestinians are buzzing about the prospect. Where would the embassy go? Would it straddle the line between West Jerusalem, which is predominantly Jewish, and East Jerusalem, which is predominantly Arab? Would it touch off street protests in Palestinian cities or a backlash among Arab allies like Egypt and Saudi Arabia? Continue reading the main story ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story “Jerusalem is a symbolic, emotional and real issue,” said Itamar Rabinovich, a former Israeli ambassador to the United States and president of the Israel Institute. “It matters to many Israeli Jews because it would indicate that the United States actually recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, which now it effectively does not.” Which is why Arabs object so strenuously to such a move. “This is a sign that he’s going to side with Israel,” said Mustafa Alani, a scholar at the Gulf Research Center, a research organization with offices in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. “If he does it, it’s going to be a wrong start for his relationship with the Arab world.” The status of Jerusalem has always been one of the thorniest issues dividing Jews and Arabs. In 1947, the United Nations recommended that the city be declared a “corpus separatum,” meaning an international city, rather than incorporated into either the Arab or the Jewish states then being contemplated on the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. But in the war that followed its declaration of statehood in 1948, Israel captured the western portion of the city while Jordan seized the east. Israel took control of East Jerusalem in its 1967 war with its Arab neighbors and annexed it, declaring that the city would remain whole and unified as its eternal capital (and later building many settlements there that most of the world considers illegal). The United States and most other countries refused to recognize the annexation and kept their embassies in or near Tel Aviv. The last two countries with embassies in Jerusalem, Costa Rica and El Salvador, moved out a decade ago. Bill Clinton and George W. Bush both promised during their presidential campaigns to move the embassy to Jerusalem. Both later backed away from those promises, convinced by Middle East experts that doing so would prejudge negotiations for a final settlement between Israelis and Palestinians. In 1995, Congress passed a law declaring Jerusalem to be Israel’s capital and requiring the embassy be moved there by 1999 — or else the State Department building budget would be cut in half. But the law included a provision allowing presidents to waive its requirement for six months if they determined it was in the national interest. So every six months, Mr. Clinton, Mr. Bush and eventually President Obama signed such waivers, fearing a violent response in the Arab world if the embassy moved. Photo The American Consulate in Jerusalem. The status of Jerusalem has always been one of the thorniest issues dividing Israelis and Arabs. CreditLior Mizrahi/Getty Images “Every president who reversed his campaign promise did so because he decided not to take the risk,” said Dennis B. Ross, a longtime Middle East envoy who advised multiple presidents, including Mr. Obama. “Jerusalem has historically been an issue that provoked great passions — often as a result of false claims — that did trigger violence.” Whether such advice might sway Mr. Trump is unclear. Despite Mr. Greenblatt’s declaration, another Trump adviser on the Middle East, Walid Phares, told the BBC that Mr. Trump would move the embassy “under consensus.” He later clarified that he meant a “consensus at home,” since no one could imagine a consensus including Arabs at this point. Elliott Abrams, a former Middle East adviser to Mr. Bush, said Mr. Trump should follow through because even if East Jerusalem is eventually ceded to the Palestinians as the capital of their own state, no plausible settlement would deny West Jerusalem to Israel. “There is simply no reason not to put a U.S. embassy there,” he said. The issue remains so delicate that the Obama administration went all the way to the Supreme Court to block a law passed by Congress allowing American parents of children born in Jerusalem to list Israel as their birthplace on their passports. When Mr. Obama came to Jerusalem in September for the funeral of Shimon Peres, the former Israeli president and prime minister, the White House initially released a transcript of his eulogy that listed “Jerusalem, Israel” as the location of his remarks. A few hours later, it issued a “corrected” transcript that literally crossed out the word “Israel.” The consulate currently in Jerusalem, run by the consul general, Donald Blome, a career diplomat, deals mainly with the Palestinians while the embassy in Tel Aviv, run by Ambassador Daniel B. Shapiro, an Obama appointee, handles relations with Israel. Mr. Trump could simply declare the consulate to be an embassy and move the ambassador’s home as a stopgap, but there are other logistical challenges. The embassy’s 800-person staff could not fit in the consular offices near the Old City, nor in the large, fortresslike building that processes visa requests and is surrounded by stone walls and tall metal fences along the line that divides Jerusalem between Jewish and Palestinian residents. Israeli Jews cite a long history in Jerusalem dating back thousands of years, and even many on the left who support a Palestinian state think the embassy should be housed there. Gilead Sher, who worked as a peace negotiator for Labor Party leaders, said, “It seems abnormal that the city, which is home to all of Israel’s governmental, legislative, judicial and national institutions, does not host foreign embassies.” But Oded Eran, a retired Israeli diplomat now at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv, noted that Israel has not invested “much political capital” in the matter because of “a sober assessment that few, if any, will move their embassy to Jerusalem.” Indeed, with other perhaps more urgent priorities, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his government have made little comment on the possibility since Mr. Trump’s election. “That has been a constant commitment by many administrations, and one would expect it will be acted on at the right time,” said Dore Gold, a longtime adviser to Mr. Netanyahu who just stepped down as director general of the Foreign Ministry. Palestinian officials presume Mr. Trump ultimately will follow the course that his predecessors did and leave the issue to final-status negotiations. “I don’t think he’ll move the embassy, and I don’t think he’ll legalize settlements,” said Saeb Erekat, secretary general of the Palestine Liberation Organization. “I’m confident we’ll work with President-elect Trump and his administration to achieve peace and to achieve the two-state solution.” Correction: November 18, 2016 Because of an editing error, an earlier version of this article referred incorrectly to the eastern neighborhoods of Jerusalem and to the settlements that Israel built there. While most of the world officially considers East Jerusalem to be occupied, there is no consensus that the occupation itself is illegal; it is the settlements that are considered illegal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texstorm Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, 8th ID said: Whether you want to believe it or not, it is all working out according to GOD's plan. Things are happening just as he said. Through out the BIBLE, Jerusalem has been and will be a seat of turmoil till the LORD returns. This is the first verse that came to mind. There are others. Zechariah 12 King James Version (KJV) 2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. Thanks 8th ID ! I totally concur, I cannot believe that there are people who are still blind to all of this and yet scripture unfolds before there very own eyes. May God have mercy on us all. Amen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota691 Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 10 hours ago, umbertino said: Trump to plunge Middle East into 'fire with no end' with Jerusalem speech They been fighting killing, bombing as they have been for the last of many decades..long before Trump. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Yes, the status quo for 22 years has brought about.......no peace.......can't hurt to try another approach.......it was interesting that in 1995 when the Congress and Senate and Clinton initially pulled the trigger on all of this.....bi-partisian on it.........(and that don't happen these days).........and last year again....... Time will answer the questions........and as posted above.......you can look to the Bible to find those answers..... Legislative history Introduced in the Senate as S. 1322 by Bob Dole(R-KS) on October 13, 1995 Committee consideration by Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, and House Committee on International Relations Passed the Senate on October 24, 1995 (93–5Roll call vote 496, via Senate.gov) Passed the House on October 24, 1995 (374–37Roll call vote 734, via Clerk.House.gov) Left unsigned by President Bill Clinton and became law on November 8, 1995 And of course Wild Bill had his head to far up some interns butt to have the time to sign off on it.....JMO 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jg1 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, coorslite21 said: Yes, the status quo for 22 years has brought about.......no peace.......can't hurt to try another approach.......it was interesting that in 1995 when the Congress and Senate and Clinton initially pulled the trigger on all of this.....bi-partisian on it.........(and that don't happen these days).........and last year again....... Time will answer the questions........and as posted above.......you can look to the Bible to find those answers..... Legislative history Introduced in the Senate as S. 1322 by Bob Dole(R-KS) on October 13, 1995 Committee consideration by Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, and House Committee on International Relations Passed the Senate on October 24, 1995 (93–5Roll call vote 496, via Senate.gov) Passed the House on October 24, 1995 (374–37Roll call vote 734, via Clerk.House.gov) Left unsigned by President Bill Clinton and became law on November 8, 1995 And of course Wild Bill had his head to far up some interns butt to have the time to sign off on it.....JMO Cigar, I believe it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Israel: UN security council to discuss US recognition of Jerusalem Meeting to be held as Palestinian protests and global criticism grow over Trump recognising Jerusalem as Israeli capital Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem Thursday 7 December 2017 12.50 GMT Palestinians in Gaza City protest against Donald Trump’s decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel Photograph: Mohammed Abed/AFP/Getty Images Vid in link https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/07/jerusalem-un-security-council-us-recognition-jerusalem-donald-trump-israel-capital 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Trump’s error on Jerusalem is a disaster for the Arab world … and the US too Wednesday 6 December 2017 18.35 GMT By Rashid Khalidi https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/06/trump-jerusalem-disaster-arab-world-israel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 'Decades of chaos': Arab leaders condemn US decision on Jerusalem Donald Trump’s unilateral move to back Israel’s claim to holy city has reunited competing factions across the Middle East to a common cause Martin Chulov Middle East correspondent Thursday 7 December 2017 19.13 GMT https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/07/arab-leaders-condemn-us-decision-on-jerusalem-israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 As the Gaza death toll mounts, France and Turkey want the US president to change his mind over recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital Peter Beaumont Saturday 9 December 2017 21.24 GMT An Israeli mounted policeman dispersing Palestinian protesters in east Jerusalem Photograph: Ahmad Gharabli/AFP/Getty Images https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/09/palestinians-reject-trump-meeting-anger-jerusalem-israel-capital 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bohica Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I do not give a rat's butt over their 'threats'. Our President is going to lead this country how he feels it needs to be lead regardless of what terrorists organizations think and feel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Macron tells Netanyahu that US recognition of Jerusalem is threat to peace Call comes as Palestinian man stabs Israeli security guard following Donald Trump’s announcement about Jerusalem Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem, and Patrick Wintour Sunday 10 December 2017 17.33 GMT Benjamin Netanyahu and Emmanuel Macron attend a joint news conference at the Elysée Palace in Paris Photograph: Philippe Wojazer/Reuters https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/10/benjamin-netanyahu-visits-europe-after-us-recognition-of-jerusalem-israel-capital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I have witnessed two intifadas. Trump’s stance on Israel may ignite a third In recognising Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, the US president has hindered the prospect of peace in the region Sunday 10 December 2017 00.05 GMT By Raja Shehadeh Israeli security forces break up a protest at Beit El checkpoint in Ramallah, West Bank, against Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/10/trump-jerusalem-israel-capital-may-incite-intifada 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Pope renews call for 'wisdom and prudence' over Jerusalem Pope Francis on Sunday renewed a call for "wisdom and prudence" over US President Donald Trump's controversial decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital, which has sparked protests and clashes AFP news@thelocal.it@thelocalitaly 10 December 2017 14:26 CET+01:00 https://www.thelocal.it/20171210/pope-renews-call-for-wisdom-and-prudence-over-jerusalem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 US seeks to quell global outrage over Jerusalem: 'The sky hasn't fallen' Trump’s UN ambassador defends move, insisting it will advance peace talks Alan Yuhas Sunday 10 December 2017 20.22 GMT 2 vids in link https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/10/jerusalem-capital-israel-donald-trump-nikki-haley-defend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabibilicious Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 The sky hasn't fallen........darkness has fallen over the recent casualties as a direct result of Trump's mouth, though. GO RV, then BV 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Writers, actors and musicians condemn Trump Jerusalem move Letter claims US president is furthering Israeli agenda ‘to erase Palestinians from the life of their own city’ Hannah Ellis-Petersen Monday 11 December 2017 19.03 GMT https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/11/writers-actors-musicians-condemn-trump-jerusalem-move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Europe tells Netanyahu it rejects Trump's Jerusalem move Israeli PM had asked EU member states to recognise city as capital of Israel, and to back US peace initiative Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem Monday 11 December 2017 14.02 GMT Benjamin Netanyahu and Federica Mogherini meet in Brussels. She told him the EU would continue to recognise the ‘international consensus’ on Jerusalem Photograph: Isopix/Rex https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/11/eu-to-step-up-efforts-over-middle-east-peace-process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bohica Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Jerusalem has been part of Israel for centuries. Palestine had not had anything to do with that city. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted December 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 In Jerusalem we have the latest chapter in a century of colonialism Donald Trump’s intervention is not a mere aberration. It’s part of the continuing story of injustice in Palestine Tuesday 12 December 2017 19.38 GMT By Karma Nabulsi Palestinian refugees near Haifa in 1948. ‘Patrick Wolfe showed us that events in Palestine over the last hundred years are an intensification of (rather than a departure from) settler colonialism.’ Photograph: Bettmann Archive https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/12/jerusalem-chapter-century-colonialism-donald-trump-intervention-palestine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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