Trump accused of sabotage after signing executive order to weaken Obamacare

[umbertino]

 

President says move means ‘people will have great, great healthcare’

 

Democrats say Trump using a ‘wrecking ball to rip apart our health system’

 

 

Sabrina Siddiqui and Jessica Glenza in Washington

Thursday 12 October 2017 18.32 BST

 

 

 

 

Vid in link

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/12/trump-sabotage-obamacare-executive-order

[yota691]

 

[yota691]

 

[Muleslayer]

4 hours ago, umbertino said:

Democrats say Trump using a ‘wrecking ball to rip apart our health system

That Rich. Forced on us in 2010.

now it’s “our healthcare system”

[new york kevin]

1 hour ago, Muleslayer said:

That Rich. Forced on us in 2010.

now it’s “our healthcare system”

No Mule. It's not our healthcare system that is overly expensive just to obtain the insurance, let alone the fact that 90% of the people that have it cannot use it because they cannot get around the annual deductions. It's the "Democrats " pseudo healthcare that is imploding. How is increasing competition by allowing small businesses, that produce the majority of jobs in the US, to lower the mandated healthcare insurance costs by forming SAB healthcare collectives and go shopping for the best plan at the lowest cost, how is allowing this "Taking the wrecking ball to Obama Care. Perhaps Obama Care is more about the Democratic Party and Presidential legacies than it is about the people of the US .

[yota691]

7 hours ago, new york kevin said:

"Taking the wrecking ball to Obama Care. Perhaps Obama Care is more about the Democratic Party and Presidential legacies than it is about the people of the US .

You type that so elegantly, so precisely 100% right on the mark. 

[Shabibilicious]

One thing is an absolute certainty.......Obamacare is now officially Trumpcare.  Some will love it, some will hate it......time will tell the tale of it's success or failure.  50 EO's and counting.

 

GO RV, then BV

Edited October 13, 2017 by Shabibilicious

[Shabibilicious]

....And by ending subsidies, Trump just signed the death warrant of every family in Appalachia....including the coal miners he professed his undying love to.    And the "gulch" smiled.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[new york kevin]

Shabby. Sounds like your Obamacare to Trumpcare comment is conflating what was actually done.  Do you fear market forces providing a excellent example of how they can lower the cost of medical insurance for collective groups without the needs for subsidies? The excessive subsidies will bankrupt the  US government and  a already enormous deficit . For what? So families can have an insurance plan they cannot use because, although they have insurance, they cannot use it because they cannot afford the $12,000 plus annual co-pays ? Like those in the middle class who earn just a little to much to get their co-pays subsidized. The middle class Obamacare was suppose to help. Perhaps you do not like the fact that Trump  tore the establishments vail that prevented competition. The vail that maintained med ins monopolies in each state by law preventing the ability of collective groups, businesses, government agencies (fed, state, and local) from crossing state lines to negotiate a better deal for those covered under their health care plans.This is the 21st century, tons of independent ways for the uninformed to become informed by researching on the internet. With less and less uninformed voters the Dems and establishment Repubs will wield less and less influence , threatening their organizations way of life for those at the top. The very thing Trump said he would do. Trump may not be elegant in his speech (written and text) but he is down to earth.  

[Shabibilicious]

I'm more than willing to give Trumpcare a chance, changes needed to be made.  As I said, time will tell if will work or not.  Although by simple deduction, the minute he signed an EO to change Obamacare, it became Trumpcare.  You can deny that all day long but it is a fact.  As to the subsidies....we will see what that does to folks, especially those I mentioned above who may already be dealing with a catastrophic illness.  Sure, they will now be able to shop around.  But to think they are going to find cheaper insurance with a preexisting condition and no subsidies to offset the cost is a completely irrational thought and doesn't sound "down to earth" to me at all.  As always, just my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV

[new york kevin]

Shabib. I agree with you we should give whatever comes up a try ! 100% agreed. We did give Obamacare a try and what we were told it would do did not happen. There are still 18 - 28 million uninsured people in this country today. Obamacare, because of the amount of copay/deductibles tied to every plan  making the plans unusable, has taken Healthcare in America and changed it into a very expensive emergency/limited long term care plan. With the establishment candidates from both parties kicking and screaming about  changes to our/their insurance plans, and ultimately to their individual fiefdoms I feel that President Trump may have no choice but to let Obamacare implode. Afterwards Prez Trump will pick up the pieces and negotiate a market based plan that will serve the majority of the American people.  On another note; all monies deducted from paychecks and taxes in America to pay for Social Security and Medicare must be earmarked to pay for Sicial Security, Medicare, and the VA only. May he do this by executive order if votes will not pass such a measure. The Social Security Fund and Medicare Funds should not be looked at as piggy banks from which to steal inorder to pay for Fedural programs and deficites. You know, like it use to be.

[Karsten]

The big thing POTUS Trump did was to Roll Back Illegal payment from the Treasury to Subsidize Insurance Companies so they could offer lower priced Insurance to low income families.....obama did not have the power or the Authority to Unilaterally Make Such a Law on his own.....I had to have it ratified Through the House his he completely did an end run around and did this on his own. 

 

That in itself is Unconstitutional, Legislative Over Reach and well as Illegal......And the courts have saidit as well.......

 

If Trump were to say the Dems that passed Zero Care had to live under it the same as the rest of the country this BS Bill would never had past in the 1st place and be gone by now........So far Trump only Cut their Subsidiarity so now they have to pay 100% of their Cadillac Plans that you and I don't Qualify for.

 

Karsten

[Muleslayer]

4 hours ago, Karsten said:

bama did not have the power or the Authority to Unilaterally Make Such a Law on his own

 

So why is his azz not in jail?

[nstoolman1]

23 minutes ago, Muleslayer said:

 

So why is his azz not in jail?

 

That is one of those rhetorical questions right?    

[Karsten]

12 hours ago, Muleslayer said:

 

So why is his azz not in jail?

 That is because the Worthless GOP didn't and still doesn't have the B@#$s to stand up to him and do anything for the Fear of Being labeled Racist and mistreating the 1st African-American Resident in the WH.

 

Hence he went un checked for 8 years and still he is going about down what ever he pleases.

 

Karsten

 

 

[umbertino]

 

The president tweeted Saturday that he’s ‘very proud’ of executive order, despite analysts, politicians and others saying millions of people would in fact suffer

 

 

Martin Pengelly and agencies

Saturday 14 October 2017 16.05 BST

 

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/14/trump-responds-to-critics-of-healthcare-order-with-claim-millions-will-benefit

[umbertino]

Dismantling Obamacare: what has Trump done and who will it affect?

 

The president took two decisions – expanding access to cheaper, skimpier insurance and scrapping federal subsidies – that may transform healthcare

 

 

Jessica Glenza in New York

Friday 13 October 2017 19.50 BST

 

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/13/healthcare-donald-trump-obamacare-executive-orders

[Muleslayer]

23 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

 

That is one of those rhetorical questions right?    

I guess my sarcasm was approaching Whatshername quality.

[8th ID]

Obamacare is a 100% illegal law and was forced down our throats. It should have been thrown out by the Supreme Court. This was a revenue generating bill that started in the senate. By the Constitution, all revenue generating bills are to originate in the House. So, get the wrecking ball out, and get the biggest one you can.

[new york kevin]

The only "health care plan" that was sabotaged was Medicare and Medicaid by Obama him self when he ordered the conscription of $750,000,000 of medicare/medicaid money to help defray the costs of the new health care plan we now call Obamacare.

Edited October 15, 2017 by new york kevin

[umbertino]

 

October 17, 2017 9:19 AM CDT By Mark Gruenberg

 

 

 

 

Millions could lose their health insurance as a result of Trump's action and be forced to rely on the emergency room as their primary health provider. Here, Keanya Swaby, a patient access employee in the emergency room at Jersey City Medical Center, inputs information for Michele Marion, 44, in September 2014. | Julio Cortez / AP

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.peoplesworld.org/article/state-ags-and-unions-sue-to-stop-trumps-health-insurance-grab/

[markb57]

nothing to sue about. Obama illegally added the insurance subsides. Trump just reversed it.

[Shabibilicious]

Looks as if Trump is willing to reinstate the subsidies if done correctly by congress.

 

GO RV, then BV

[bostonangler]

No kickbacks to insurance companies, no coverage for preexisting conditions... Insurance companies are not going to cover the sick out of the goodness of their hearts... The subsidies were put into place to grease the palms of the insurance companies so profits won't go down. The subsidies will remain, or the insurance companies will turn their backs on those who need them most.

 

B/A

[umbertino]

 

October 18, 2017 11:25 AM CDT By Mike Bayer

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ruling-class-will-never-stop-trying-to-destroy-health-care/