Kurds Indépendance

[jcfrag]

The million dollar  question now is if the Kurds vote yes to independence, can Iraq go ahead and RV once the HCL is no longer an issue? I suspect that even even if the Kurds vote "NO" Barzani wiil have the polls manipulated, just like Maliki used to do for his favorite elections. Barzani keeps saying that if the Referendum dictates Kurdistans independance, it doesn't have to happen and even if it does, it will take time to put into action. The whole thing sounds pretty frickin wishy washy like there really isn't anyone in charge that knows what it would mean for them. Furthermore, if they are really 20 billion dollars in debt, is this really the time to set off on your own? Cant wait till they vote so we can get past this stupid Kurdish "Waste Of Time/Game"!

[Laid Back]

Abadi had previously spoken out against the referendum, but now the Supreme Court (Iraq) has actually issued a ruling ordering them to completely suspend any preparations for such a vote, based on it being “unconstitutional”.

 

Today the Kurds voted in the referendum, knowing it was unconstitutional and It threatens Iraq peaceful coexistence among Iraqis and is a danger to the region.

Abadi said; we will take measures to safeguard the nation’s unity and protect all Iraqis and urged Iraq Kurdish leaders to abandon utopic goals, accusing them of endangering peace and stability for Iraq and the whole region.

 Go Iraq United.... Go HCL... Go art 140... Go RV

 

[BIGCG]

Problem is the US is backing the Kurds and the referendum which scares me because after almost 8 years of being involved in this crazy rollercoaster the thought of actually not making money is extremely depressing...  Most people dont know this and I didnt learn this until a few years ago but the plan all along has been the balkinization of the ME and as you can see with your own eyes it seems to be playing out right in front of us.... 

[Charlie Echo]

Kurdistan

92.73% ‘yes’ for independence: preliminary official results

People of Kurdistan headed to the polls on Monday, September 25, despite the opposition of the regional and international countries. Photo: AFP/Safin Hamed

 

ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – An overwhelming majority of the people of Kurdistan have voted for independence, the election commission announced on Wednesday, releasing preliminary figures that 92.73 percent of voters cast ‘yes’ ballots.
 
Out of 3,085,935 valid ballots, 2,861,471 votes were for independence and 224,464 were against, 7.2 percent.

The electoral commission announced that 79,379 votes were spoiled and a further 170,611 were disregarded after reviewing complaints.

The figures also include e-votes cast by the diaspora.

Handren Mohammed, the head of the commission, told reporters that the process was “successful” and international observers who witnessed the “historic” vote have testified that it was held in a proper way.

He said the results will be considered final when approved by the Kurdish Court of Appeal.

The electoral commission has not yet released a breakdown of the votes by cities and provinces.

Iraq Deploys Troops To Kirkuk After Kurdistan "Yes" Vote; Turkey Threatens Blockade

Immediately on the heels of the Iraqi Kurdistan "yes" vote, the Iraqi parliament approved sending troops to the disputed Kirkuk region to prevent the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) from taking full control of the oil-rich area. Preliminary official results out Wednesday indicate a 92% vote in favor of Kurdish independence. A written statement produced by Baghdad said the decision aims to protect Iraqi citizens residing in the contested area between Baghdad and Erbil. But the decision is also no doubt motivated by protection of Kirkuk's multiple oil and gas fields, which Baghdad has now ordered the KRG to hand over, including all other oil facilities throughout northern Iraq.

The KRG held its deeply controversial referendum on Kurdish independence Monday, which as expected resulted in a "yes" vote to declare the autonomous Iraqi region a new state. Kurdish leader Masoud Barzani announced the results of the referendum on live TV Tuesday, while attempting to ease tensions by urging "serious dialogue" with the Baghdad government instead of threats of sanctions and troop presence. Barzani further warned Iraqi Kurds of "facing hardships" while also pleading with world powers to “to respect the will of millions of people”.

Currently, Israel is the only country which has voiced public support for Kurdish independence - something which has earned the condemnation of Turkey, Iran, and others in the region. Israel stands accused of using the Kurds of to Balkanize Iraq and the broader Arab region. 

Turkey for its part has come close to warning Israel that it could cut diplomatic ties should Israel continue in its public support of an independent Kurdistan. This week Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned, “If they do not review, we cannot take a lot of steps that we were about to take with Israel” - to which Israeli lawmakers responded that such threats were "empty". 

Kurdish-Iraqi disputed regions of Iraq. The tan areas are disputed but are officially under the control of the Iraqi government. The pink sections are disputed but part of the KRG since 1991. Map source: Wiki Commons

But Erdogan had more direct and harsher words for Kurdish leadership, saying in a televised speech Tuesday that, "If Barzani and the Kurdish Regional Government do not go back on this mistake as soon as possible, they will go down in history with the shame of having dragged the region into an ethnic and sectarian war." While referencing what appears to be an emerging Israeli-Kurdistan open alliance and mutual support, Erdogan further stated, “Who will recognize your independence? Israel. The world is not about Israel. You should know that the waving of Israeli flags there will not save you.” 

Both Iran and Turkey have amassed troops and significant military hardware along their borders with Kurdistan, including tanks which are participating in war games as a show of force. Iraqi troops have reportedly joined Turkish troops in conducting joint military exercises in the region. As we previously reported, Iran immediately closed its airspace to the two international airports located in territory administered by the KRG, and Baghdad has demanded that these be handed over as well. 

The Baghdad government has further declared closure of airspace over Kurdish northern Iraq, prompting some regional carriers to indefinitely suspend flights into Erbil. Lebanon's Middle East Airlines (MEA) was the first to announce it would be suspending flights "until they solve the issue." And Royal Jordanian, FlyDubai, Turkish Airlines and EgyptAir are among the latest to join the growing list. Iraqi PM Abadi has given the KRG three days to surrender not only the airports, but all land crossings as well. Border crossings into Syrian Kurdis areas of Syria have reportedly been kept open by the KRG and/or Kurdish militias administering the crossings.

Image source: Iraq Energy Institute

But more significant is Turkey's threat of blockade on the region. Kurdistan's Ministry of Trade and Industry estimates business exchanges with Turkey and Iran exceed $10 billion per year. Kurdistan imports 95% of its agriculture needs from Turkey and Iran and depends on Turkey to export its oil. Turkey has long been a key economic and trade lifeline to landlocked Iraqi Kurdistan. By the numbers, the KRG controls over 20% of Iraqi oil  (Iraq produces around 4.35 million barrels per day and Kurdistan 900,000 b/d), its energy reserves are estimated around 45 billion barrels of oil and 150 trillion cubic meter of gas, and it exports around 600.000 b/d via Turkey. Oil has long been the source of dispute between Baghdad and Erbil, and is especially contested when it comes to fields along the conventional disputed "borders" of Kurdish Iraq, of which Kirkuk is part. 

Kirkuk fell under the control of Kurdish forces in 2014 after ISIS took control of large swathes of the country. As ISIS was defeated and retreated from some areas, Kurdish Peshmerga fighters moved in. On Wednesday Abadi told Iraqi lawmakers that that he will “enforce the rule of the federal authority in the Kurdish region with the power of the constitution,” while adding that he doesn't want “a fight between the Iraqi citizens.”

Though Baghdad has signaled on multiple occasions that it will avoid military confrontation and has "ruled out use of force" while seeking dialogue, it is unclear what will actually happen once Iraqi and Kurdish forces attempt to maintain control of the same disputed city. In the meantime Baghdad has formally requested that the KRG rescind the referendum - something unlikely to happen - and has warned that meaningful dialogue would not be possible until such a step be taken.

[new york kevin]

Yes BigCG very much in agreement with you. So if Turkey is going to embargo the KRG and it's areas of control, does that mean they will also cut of their flow of oil and gas from the KRG to Ceylan Turkey? Ouch. Sounds like the big guns are being taken out and will schwang the KRD's should they try and secede. 

[DoD]

New York Kevin, that's exactly what Turkey is saying. I read another article where their closing down the border crossing an actually moving it down the road to enter into Iraq territory. 

[new york kevin]

3 hours ago, DoD said:

New York Kevin, that's exactly what Turkey is saying. I read another article where their closing down the border crossing an actually moving it down the road to enter into Iraq territory. 

Wow. Serious shiznet.

 

[SnowGlobe7]

so of all the oil in Iraq...what percent comes from Kurdistan?

[Shelley]

7 minutes ago, SnowGlobe7 said:

so of all the oil in Iraq...what percent comes from Kurdistan?

I read somewhere yesterday that 12% is from Kurdistan 

[SnowGlobe7]

ok I thought it was more....then let them go....Baghdad will be better off without having to deal with Barzani and his family not showing up to proceedings and stalling anything and everything.

 

Thank You Shelley

 

 

[ChuckFinley]

I think one of the other major issues would be border issues and friendly nation support.  I read some where 12% too.  

[Shelley]

Just another clog in the wheel !!! We just have to hang in there, something has to happen someday 🤗

[murd11]

In Canada, Quebec held a referendum to separate. The rest of country said go ahead. They backed down after they got a few concessions. Same crap going on there. Probably no reason to worry. Some sort of RV will happen but when? Nobody knows. They have a **** load of work still to do. Most of country is being rebuilt from scratch. banking is a mess. Security is a mess.