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6 hours ago, KristiD said:

I like this gal a lot.  Interesting ideas to consider - especially pictures of the driver during the incident.  Watch it soon because it may be taken down

 

Didnt watch the vid, but you can bet it was.

All the crap we are going through is planned to lead to a civil unrest so severe they are justified instituting martial law.

They started setting up for this with Carter, and began the process with H.Bush.

They've been training for for this for a decade.

They furnished the remodeled bases turned camps over the last five years.

stock included tens of thousands of plastic coffins.

They started hiring internment camp guards, counselors, etc, three years ago.

Jade Helm was a training exercise for the actual event which helped identify weak points and communication gaps.

The plan to shut down this "American Experiment" was formulated before we were even a nation.

America was never allowed to see her full potential and unless a lot of people decide a soft bed, abundance of food, and "not making waves" are not worth the freedoms we have already lost, we will lose what we have left in a couple more decades to the crushing foreign oppression about to "assume their longstanding authority".

FDR and politicians sold out America in 1933.

Our new owners have refrained from foreclosing on their investment and instead have been bleeding us dry.

That is about to change unless we drop this manufactured racism and political division being sewn by all mainstream media and parroted by feeble minded zombies pretending to be adults.

 

 

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These are very scary times imo. The press and our public universities have been hijacked to the point that there is only one correct side and that is the extreme left side.  I do not condone groups such as the KKK nor the Black Nationalist. 

 

I am livid that the statue of General Lee is being removed and other Confederate statues are being removed from the Southern states. We had the Civil War, it happened, it wasn't pretty no matter which side, but it is part of history and having flags and statues torn down isn't going to change history and isn't going to change minds. 

 

According to the actual footage of the riot, the white  nationalist  were marching with a permit when they were attacked by the leftist group who had no permit.  Now, no matter which side you favor, what is one supposed to do when attacked by another??? 

 

The press is not telling the truth!  The Constitution was not written for just one way of thinking. All jmho. 

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1 hour ago, Bama Girl said:

 

but it is part of history and having flags and statues torn down isn't going to change history and isn't going to change minds. 

 

The press is not telling the truth!  The Constitution was not written for just one way of thinking. All jmho. 

 

That's what it has been about all along.

The dems need to erase all reference to the civil war, until they can rewrite history there will always be a reminder the slavers were democrats, the confederates were democrats, the jim crow laws were made by democrats, and every tyrant, dictator, and oppressive regime in history, including Hitler, all came from democrats.

 

Already there are many lefties and other low information persons who actually believe the white supremacists and KKK are "alt right", when in fact they socialists.

The level of ignorance is amazing, rather than become informed, morons are watching MSM and letting some lying P.O.S. leftie tell them what to think.

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Food for Thought... These were NOT Trump Supporters.

 

Was “Unite the Right” a Soros-funded Psychological Operation? Was the goal to employ the “Pied Piper” strategy to damage the Republican brand by insinuating that Antifa goons disguised as Nazis represent the views of the entire Right Wing in America? (Is this what Creamer and Democracy Partners have been up to lately?)

Was "Unite The Right" A Staged Media Event?

 

This whole event feels staged.

 

Lets look at a few things:

  • The protesters show up with all the same TIKI torches.
  • All the same, brand new flags fresh out the wrapper. Still with the packaging folds.
  • The Mainstream Media is there and many Antifa protesters are there yet Trump supporters haven’t heard of this rally.
  • The media showed the protesters as Trump supporters and sure enough the protesters fit their view of Trump supporters and are completely different than supporters you see at actual Trump rallies.
  • Who paid for this?
  • Who got the permits for this?
  • How did all the people protesting arrive at the rally?
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Just seems too fake and fits the media narrative far too well.

 

The media and the left are continually losing all the time at everything, then all of the sudden everything fits their narrative one day. They have so much to report on now. How convenient.

 

This smells of Soros, Hillarious and Obama!

This rally was allegedly held over in large part to a removal of a Robert E. Lee statue in town. So why are people with Nazi swastika flags even in attendance? Unless you know, the flags have that “fresh out of the package just unfolded” look to them that were handed out to the paid protesters.

Paid Protesters

 

Confederate, Nazi flags, White Hoods. Heil Hitler salutes by men dressed basically the same. What did you not see? American flags. Have you ever seen a Trump rally without an American flag?

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Let’s trace this event back to its origins.

 

Start with the Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Unite_the_Right_Rally

 

It cites this article about expectations for the rally on 2017-07-21:
http://www.nbc29.com/story/35942579/sources-4000-people-may-fill-emancipation-park-during-august-rally

 

That article has a “related article link” back to 2017-06-05:
http://www.nbc29.com/story/35594532/controversial-activists-file-permits-to-hold-rallies-in-charlottesville

 

Read those articles, and you can see the origins. The original application was submitted by Jason Kessler, on behalf of “Unity and Security for America”.

 

The event was subsequently announced on Facebook by the “Traditionalist Workers Party”.

 

Hopefully, that’s enough breadcrumbs to get people started on finding the true origins of this “Unite the Right” rally.

 

http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/2017/08/13/was-unite-the-right-a-staged-media-event/#sthash.ZnM3sXaK.8U76kI7f.dpbs

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22 minutes ago, magawatt said:

If wishing could bring an RV.

Then maybe the neo Nazis were really Cub Scouts.

 

No one here, and I mean NO ONE... thinks any of these dirtbags on either side, are cub scouts.  If these Reichwing thugs are supporters of Trump (who has repeatedly disavowed them) then it's fair to point out that the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Communist Party, Socialist Party, BLM, etc... were all supporters of Obummer (who NEVER disavowed any of them).

 
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13 hours ago, magawatt said:

If wishing could bring an RV.

Then maybe the neo Nazis were really Cub Scouts.

 

13 hours ago, Whatshername said:

 

No one here, and I mean NO ONE... thinks any of these dirtbags on either side, are cub scouts

 it's fair to point out that the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Communist Party, Socialist Party, BLM, etc... were all supporters of Obummer (who NEVER disavowed any of them).

 

 

Actually, the left is employing the exact same strategies that were used by Hitler when he first started building power.

Germany was awash in socialism back them.

Like Venezuela and so many other failing countries are today, the only issue being decided at elections then is which socialist party will get to power until they are thrown out for not fulfilling their promise of eternal freebies to The People.

There were three main parties, all socialist, the problem was the other two realized too late that Hitler was not going to stop at the normal war of words. 

Once he was elected the other two parties din't even have a chance to organize a resistance as the leaders were locked up in the camps as Hitlers SS became aggressive and violent with everyone that opposed him.

I am convinced Obama would have made the move also if he could, the ONLY thing that stopped him was the internet, and the fact that in America we already had patriots organized against the establishment right and left, and we would have been able to mount an organized resistance.

Hitler outright murdered an estimated 80,000 Germans who didn't agree with his Third Reich, with "tens of thousands" more who opposed him that were in the camps.( camp population estimation from historian Peter Hoffman).

Point is, the left has not changed since then, Hitler was a democratic socialist, he might have been "thrown out" of the International Socialist Party when he followed Mussolini and  modified the international socialist platform, but just like Mussolini, he believed himself a true socialist to the end.

I do not agree with the KKK or whoever the supremacists were, but in truth it was only two different leftie groups that had the clash, which is a window into the future should the left continue to steamroll our rights.

Once they have destroyed all freedoms, they will immediately begin to destroy each other.

We have already seen this several other times, as in the march for "women", that wasn't actually about women, some feminist groups were just not allowed, others realized the farce, while yet others blindly allowed themselves to be made a fool of by donning those ridiculous caps and marching in support of Sharia Law, the single biggest threat to all women on the earth.

 

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I watched part of the video, to conspiracy theory 3 or 4. Crap-e, crap-e, and more crap-e.  The only truth i heard was that George Soros paid BLM members and others to be violent at gatherings they were sent/bused to. I suggest that, is there any wonder that these groups of haters that are or were paid by Soros to be violent , that they are ramping up their game. While being paid by an organization and man who happily states that he was a Member of a Hitler Youth Group that took part in the murders of millions of innocent people during WW II. All while claiming it's the folks on the right, that are simply standing up for their rights, that are the Fascist race haters and violently attacking them. The very same tactic that the. German Fascist Party - Nazis used in the 1930's to gain power . Watch out people do not be fooled by them. The KKK , and any other group like them in the US, regardless of which race or religion they claim to be superior to is already a piece of Schmidt in my pointnof view. They do not represent me, mine, or the majority of the US population. A lot of bad things have occurred to the African-American population, Irish, Catholic and others in this country. A Civil War was fought over eliminating slavery as an institution, by non-African Americans. Historically, the Republicans were against slavery and the Democrats were for it. This is historical fact. THERE IS NEVER ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR THE USE OF MOTOR VEHICLE OR ANY WEAPON AGAINST ANY HUMAN BEING TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS. Bad stuff has occurred on all sides of the racial coin in America! Who do you arrest ? Who do you execute for that? Won't  each perp claim they were fighting against a racially based hate crime against them and theirs? Bottom line, the Confederacy represents a dark mark on the History of America and should be relegated to history museums. People who think like the KKK or some version of them should be stamped out via our legal system, before we are resolved to fight another Civil Warnin this country. Lastly, we need to bring the teachings of Martin Luther King Jr back into the for front of how to never repeat the racial mistakes of the past, and on how to move forward with race relations in America so we can all just get along. Regardless of who we voted for in any election. 

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I know that about 7 days before the event, craigslist was used to advertise for the

usual "actors" that often show up in these events. The ad was taken down quickly

of course, but I did see it personally. The offer was for 25$ per hour, so I am sure it

attracted many who needed the money, and were willing to play their role for pay.

 

These ads are also used to recruit "crisis actors" shortly before certain events. I have seen

those also which lends to the idea that much appears to be staged in today's hunger

for drama.

 

This is how things work now, and a lot of it is indeed staged. it gets the desired reaction

time after time, usually more division and fighting and more distractions among the people.

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33 minutes ago, Jim1cor13 said:

I know that about 7 days before the event, craigslist was used to advertise for the

usual "actors" that often show up in these events. The ad was taken down quickly

of course, but I did see it personally. The offer was for 25$ per hour, so I am sure it

attracted many who needed the money, and were willing to play their role for pay.

 

These ads are also used to recruit "crisis actors" shortly before certain events. I have seen

those also which lends to the idea that much appears to be staged in today's hunger

for drama.

 

This is how things work now, and a lot of it is indeed staged. it gets the desired reaction

time after time, usually more division and fighting and more distractions among the people.

Wow !!! $25/hour to be violent, destroy public property, and to paint an entire race group - white in this case (it could be another race group next time or a political party)), as racist and responsible for all that is wrong in their world. That is a racist fascist nazi party tactic taken right out of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler . This time around they aren't blaming the Jews; yet. Watchout people Soros and his organization want control of this country. Either in public office or behind the scenes. He was a Hitler Youth Soldier, and based on his actions he is still following Hitlers doctrine . A doctrine I can never tolerate. I protested against the KKK in my youth, and carry scars to prove it. If such a group, be they white, black, jew or gentile, protestant or catholic, socialist or communist, ever gets hold of this country I will die fulfilling the preamble to our  Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. This is all part of the discussion of race relations people. Participating in such a conversation does not make you a racist when you stick to the facts and empirical data. It becomes racist when you do not agree to at least disagree, while agreeing to live in harmony and peace.

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3 hours ago, new york kevin said:

 

 Civil War was fought over eliminating slavery as an institution, by non-African Americans. Historically, the Republicans were against slavery and the Democrats were for it. This is historical fact.

 Bottom line, the Confederacy represents a dark mark on the History of America and should be relegated to history museums.

People who think like the KKK or some version of them should be stamped out via our legal system, before we are resolved to fight another Civil Warnin this country.

Lastly, we need to bring the teachings of Martin Luther King Jr back into the for front of how to never repeat the racial mistakes of the past, and on how to move forward with race relations in America so we can all just get along. Regardless of who we voted for in any election. 

 

Hey Kev, funny you should mention those events and groups..

The Republican Party was formed by northern white people who hated slavery, most of them were involved with the Underground Railroad.

The Underground Railroad helped escaped slaves by smuggling them in wagons and transporting them north, and providing  food and shelter, much needed rest during the hike to friendly states.

The democratic party formed the KKK to kill all those pesky white traitors who dared stand up the the time honored practice of using free labor through human slavery.

It was common for landowners in the north to leave land to both their slaves,( many were treated as partners or hired hands, not kept in chains and forced to serve any demand or face beatings and death), and soon there were many black landowners.

Back then a landowner was considered  "sovereign".

The murdering of whites was very unpopular, so the KKK then devolved yet again into the narrow minded pissants they are today and confined themselves to killing mostly blacks.

Abrham Lincoln was the first Republican Party POTUS.

Martin Luther King was a republican.

George Sorros was not just a German Youth Soldier, he helped the Nazis by going through his fellow Jews belongings, taking all the gold, silver, and other valuables, which included George Sorros searched through dead Jews fresh out of gas chamber, firing squad, etc, and pulled teeth with gold or silver crowns.

Sorros then melted down the precious metals, and gave it to the Germans.

In exchange he was made a wealthy man.

He gave several interviews when he is actually proud of what he did and declared he was never bothered by pulling teeth from his dead countrymen.

 

George Sorros has financed "progressive" social campaigns in dozens of countries, advocating for everything from transgender operations for 8 year olds, to drug abuse.

He is evil defined.

 

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2 hours ago, Jim1cor13 said:

I know that about 7 days before the event, craigslist was used to advertise for the

usual "actors" that often show up in these events. The ad was taken down quickly

of course, but I did see it personally. The offer was for 25$ per hour, so I am sure it

attracted many who needed the money, and were willing to play their role for pay.

 

These ads are also used to recruit "crisis actors" shortly before certain events. I have seen

those also which lends to the idea that much appears to be staged in today's hunger

for drama.

 

This is how things work now, and a lot of it is indeed staged. it gets the desired reaction

time after time, usually more division and fighting and more distractions among the people.

 

Thanks Jim.  Nothing about this smells right but the entire media is pushing this false narrative.

 

Why Was This 'Crowd Hire' Company Recruiting $25 An Hour 'Political Activists' In Charlotte Last Week?

Trump ignited a political firestorm yesterday during an impromptu press conference in which he said there was "blame on both sides" for the tragic events that occurred in Charlottesville over the weekend.    

Now, the discovery of a craigslist ad posted last Monday, almost a full week before the Charlottesville protests, is raising new questions over whether paid protesters were sourced by a Los Angeles based "public relations firm specializing in innovative events" to serve as agitators in counterprotests.

The ad was posted by a company called "Crowds on Demand" and offered $25 per hour to "actors and photographers" to participate in events in the "Charlotte, NC area."  While the ad didn't explicitly define a role to be filled by its crowd of "actors and photographers" it did ask applicants to comment on whether they were "ok with participating in peaceful protests."  Here is the text from the ad:

 
 

Actors and Photographers Wanted in Charlotte

 

Crowds on Demand, a Los Angeles-based Public Relations firm specializing in innovative events, is looking for enthusiastic actors and photographers in the Charlotte, NC area to participate in our events. Our events include everything from rallies to protests to corporate PR stunts to celebrity scenes. The biggest qualification is enthusiasm, a "can-do" spirit. Pay will vary by event but typically is $25+ per hour plus reimbursements for gas/parking/Uber/public transit.

 

For more information about us, please visit www.crowdsondemand.com

 

If you're interested in working with us, please reply to this posting with the following info:

  • Full Name
  • Prior relevant experience (as an actor/performer, photographer, brand ambassador, political activist, etc)
  • When are you usually available for work?
  • Resume (optional)
  • If you're a photographer, what equipment do you use?
  • Are you ok with participating in peaceful protests (optional)?

And a screenshot of the original post:

Craigslist

 

So what is "Crowds on Demand?"  According to their own website, they're in the business of sourcing large crowds of people to "provide clients with protests, rallies, [and] flash-mobs" all over the country.  They even have an entire page on their website dedicated to "Protests and Rallies."

 
 

Are you looking to create a buzz anywhere in the United States? At Crowds on Demand, we provide our clients with protests, rallies, flash-mobs, paparazzi events and other inventive PR stunts. These services are available across the country in every major U.S city, every major U.S metro area and even most smaller cities as well. We provide everything including the people, the materials and even the ideas. You can come to us with a specific plan of action and we can make it happen. OR, you can approach us with a general  idea and we can help you plan the strategy then execute it.

 

We’ve made campaigns involving hundreds of people come to action in just days. We have a proven record of delivering major wins on even the toughest campaigns and delivering phenomenal experiences with even the most logistically challenging events.

The CEO of Crowds on Demand denied to Snopes that his firm was involved in the Charlottesville protests but refused to provide details on the specific purpose of the craigslist ad and/or why it was temporarily removed yesterday before being restored.

 
 

"We were not involved in any capacity with the recent tragic events in Charlottesville, Virginia. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those impacted by the violence" 

Silly question, but if your cause is worthy of protest then why would you need to pay $25 per hour to get people to show up?

 

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-16/why-was-crowd-hire-company-recruiting-25-hour-political-activists-charlotte-last-wee

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AND then there's this...

Report: Charlottesville Racist Leader Was Former Occupy Activist, Obama Supporter

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The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) reports that Jason Kessler, the organizer of last Saturday’s white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, is rumored to be a former Occupy Wall Street activist and supporter of Barack Obama.

The left-wing SPLC is often partisan and overzealous in targeting hate groups, lumping legitimate conservative organizations together with actual extremists. Therefore its identification of Kessler’s left-wing roots is significant.

The SPLC notes:

Rumors abound on white nationalist forums that Kessler’s ideological pedigree before 2016 was less than pure and seem to point to involvement in the Occupy movement and past support for President Obama.

At one recent speech in favor of Charlottesville’s status as a sanctuary city, Kessler live-streamed himself as an attendee questioned him and apologized for an undisclosed spat during Kessler’s apparent involvement with Occupy. Kessler appeared visibly perturbed by the woman’s presence and reminders of their past association.

The report goes on to say that Kessler’s right-wing views only became public in November 2016, though he himself says his change from left-wing extremist to right-wing extremist began in 2013, when a PR executive made a racial jokeabout Aids on her way to Africa, and found when she landed that she had lost her job in the ensuing backlash.

 

In related news, reports emerged Monday that James Alex Fields, Jr., the 20-year-old who plowed his car into a left-wing counter-demonstration in Charlottesville, killing one and injuring several others, had been diagnosed with schizophrenia as a boy and had been given antipsychotic drugs. It is not clear if he is still taking them.

 

Occupy Wall Street was a radical left-wing movement that began in 2011 in Manhattan and spread throughout the globe. It was committed to the destruction of the capitalist system, and included violent and extremist elements that waged confrontations with police in the fall and winter of 2011-2. President Barack Obama, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Media Matters for America, and other Democrats nevertheless embraced the Occupy movement.

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6 minutes ago, Whatshername said:

 

Thanks Jim.  Nothing about this smells right but the entire media is pushing this false narrative.

Silly question, but if your cause is worthy of protest then why would you need to pay $25 per hour to get people to show up?

 

 

Hi dear :)

 

You are right, and once again we have another media frenzy, and now we have many repubs who are telling

the president "fend for yourself". To me, it all appears purposeful, including Trump's own party who has more than

a few opportunity seekers that instead of supporting Trump, they are looking for the blood in order to strike

against him. This in my opinion, is a concerted effort by the cess pool.

 

Trump has made his share of mistakes, mostly with his own mouth, but he has also done some good things that

should be noticed by the people. Instead though, we are watching a growing circus which the media and I mean

ALL the media, doing what they do best, shaping public opinion one fabrication at a time until it appears to

be "truthful".

 

In my opinion, we do not need any more reasons to be divided or to hate each other based upon political

jargon...what we need is for all of us to realize how we are being toyed with by "poly-ticks" as RVME would say. :)

 

If that ever happens, Washington will be pissing their pants. :lol:

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6 minutes ago, Jim1cor13 said:

In my opinion, we do not need any more reasons to be divided or to hate each other based upon political

jargon...what we need is for all of us to realize how we are being toyed with by "poly-ticks" as RVME would say. :)

 

If that ever happens, Washington will be pissing their pants. :lol:

 

Yes, I agree... there are many reasons already.  How do we do it?  How do WE quiet the noise and start a philosophical conversation?  They don't want to talk... they just want to scream.   :shrug:

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23 minutes ago, Whatshername said:

 

Yes, I agree... there are many reasons already.  How do we do it?  How do WE quiet the noise and start a philosophical conversation?  They don't want to talk... they just want to scream.   :shrug:

Unfortunately it goes deeper than just some morons getting the best pay they have ever had in their life to just scream at people and break stuff. Aside from th hourly pay are bonuses paid for certain destruction, leading an event that gets televised, and even per Diem living expense with transportation .

It's a pretty good gig, especially for the hard parting chemical abusers.

The police not only stood down, but actively herded the protesters into a gauntlet surrounded by armed opposing protesters, and THEN stood down as the morons marching in support of racism were attacked by the other mob of racist's who also hate free speech.

The police were ordered t stand down, and that came from the mayor.

There's small chance a mayor would intentionally allow this type of violent confrontation to take place without receiving compensation and assurances it would not be a reflection of their competency.

Point being, there's a LOT of power politicking going on,  there was a lot of planing, organizing, coordinating, and bribing that went into this event.

You can bet that with every organized national multi-location protest, there is at least one target city, with a couple alternates locations that will be staffed by their best paid thugs.

The only thing I can think of is becoming active in one of the many organizations like Oathkeepers who actively assume a peacekeeper role at events.

The only reason this one got out of hand is because there was not enough independent third party disinterested individuals to defuse the manufactured event, or provide enough credible witnesses to force the controllers to call it off.

I talked about this before Trump was elected, and said we would one day look back on the election and laugh because that was the easy part.

Unfortunately, I can only see it continuing to get worse before we see a turning point.

We really are living an end game potential.

 

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2 hours ago, divemaster5734 said:

 

Hey Kev, funny you should mention those events and groups..

The Republican Party was formed by northern white people who hated slavery, most of them were involved with the Underground Railroad.

The Underground Railroad helped escaped slaves by smuggling them in wagons and transporting them north, and providing  food and shelter, much needed rest during the hike to friendly states.

The democratic party formed the KKK to kill all those pesky white traitors who dared stand up the the time honored practice of using free labor through human slavery.

It was common for landowners in the north to leave land to both their slaves,( many were treated as partners or hired hands, not kept in chains and forced to serve any demand or face beatings and death), and soon there were many black landowners.

Back then a landowner was considered  "sovereign".

The murdering of whites was very unpopular, so the KKK then devolved yet again into the narrow minded pissants they are today and confined themselves to killing mostly blacks.

Abrham Lincoln was the first Republican Party POTUS.

Martin Luther King was a republican.

George Sorros was not just a German Youth Soldier, he helped the Nazis by going through his fellow Jews belongings, taking all the gold, silver, and other valuables, which included George Sorros searched through dead Jews fresh out of gas chamber, firing squad, etc, and pulled teeth with gold or silver crowns.

Sorros then melted down the precious metals, and gave it to the Germans.

In exchange he was made a wealthy man.

He gave several interviews when he is actually proud of what he did and declared he was never bothered by pulling teeth from his dead countrymen.

 

George Sorros has financed "progressive" social campaigns in dozens of countries, advocating for everything from transgender operations for 8 year olds, to drug abuse.

He is evil defined.

 

Funny has nothing to do with it divemaster, it was intentional. You said the same thing I did essentially. Your info was presented clearer than mine was.  Agreed Soros is evil defined. And his propaganda machine is trying to redefine evil as good, and good as evil. Exactly as his Nazi predecessors taught him to do. Since he has ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC ET AL running his propaganda machine for him via the Socialist Dems ; that is what makes him a very rich and scary man.

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The sad truth is that the alt left and alt right are probably just two sides of the the same coin - just like our democratic and republic parties.  There are some good and decent people in government, but they seem to be the minority and they largely bow to the majority.  Catherine Austin Fitts (who used to work in government) explains that there are now 2 opposing factions in the government/Deep State.  One (the Obama/Clinton/Soros camp) wants the US to continue to pursue the globalist agenda.  The other side (who backed Trump) wants to pursue a nationalist agenda because they believe (and I agree) that the US will not survive on the current globalist path.  We are seeing this same disagreement play out in Europe (England went nationalist, France went globalist) and other countries.  I think, as do more and more people, that there is a concerted effort to advocate violence and confrontation so that people will ask the government to provide protection (at the cost of losing more of their freedoms) and then the Government will tighten their control and probably microchip everyone.  I believe we play right into the globalists' hands when we continue to fight with each other.  NYKevin, you may want to watch all of that 10 minute video because there were clearly 2 different cars involved in Charlottesville and the pictures of the driver (taken during the event) sure do look like someone other than the guy they arrested.  For sure there are white supremacists and there are also those who decry white privilege, but I honestly believe that vast majority of people just want the opportunity to make a good life for themselves and even want the same for others.  Unbalanced people and extremists can be found all over, but they are not the majority and they don't speak for, or represent either side.  When people learn to let go of their anger and objectively look at what is happening and what changes they want to make, then we can start to work together - both opposing sides - to find a compromise that each side can accept.  Trying to suppress and even kill or harm the other side won't create lasting change.  You maybe win for a while, but the defeated side will usually regroup and come back for vengeance.   The US is a unique country because of its Constitution and the rights granted to its people.  We are losing those rights - especially free speech, and if we don't let go of the anger so that we can come together as a group to effectively work at creating the change that we want, I fear the country will descend into civil war and/or revolution.  I hope and pray every day that Americans - starting on the individual level - will let go of their anger and decide to work together for change.  

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1 hour ago, KristiD said:

there were clearly 2 different cars involved in Charlottesville

 

Ever hear of Photoshop? Would you like to see it with white stripes? I just say that because with Photoshop and After Effects, I could have you believing Trump and Obama are playing golf together on the moon... Be careful people with agendas also have talent to use tools to deceive...

 

B/A

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22 hours ago, Whatshername said:

 

Yes, I agree... there are many reasons already.  How do we do it?  How do WE quiet the noise and start a philosophical conversation?  They don't want to talk... they just want to scream.   :shrug:

 

 

...and the "Reasons" will simply continue... persist... grow... as they always have, and always will.  They are pure distraction from any attempt for true resolve...  Politicians know this!  But, so do enlightened citizens!   We just need more of the latter... that care to confront it!  Then, instead of "reasons"... there's clarity and resolve in "reasoning"!  That then, is TRUTH.

 

The Declaration and The Constitution are fairly simple documents... as most philosophically reasoned agendas are.  They are philosophical documents first... and legal documents, second.  They HAVE to be... it is a natural default... the same as the guarantee and support of Individual Rights (natural/inalienable) over Collective "rights" (social/legal)...  We can not have "WE" the people... without "Me" the individual.

 

ONLY when the common/average citizen pauses long enough, away from daily distractions and manufactured issues, to reduce and simplify the discussion to its roots... will any kind of awakening take place.  These roots are the simple depths of simple reasoning... the solid foundation of core values of our Constitution.  The hundreds and thousands of "issues", mostly manufactured and made to look "valid"... are the tools for distraction.  Reduce, minimize... even ignore the useless politicking distraction of issues... and focus on the philosophical reasoning of Individual Rights, guaranteed by the Constitution... and people will see the honest discussion start to prevail over the manufactured ones.  INSIST upon the honest premise, foremost.  INSIST upon furthering the honest intellectual discussion based on the KNOWN... AGREED UPON TRUTH... the SIMPLE PREMISE.  ONLY THEN... will the discussions(s) be honest, appropriate, and clear... and ONLY THEN... will "individual issues" find a clearer resolve.

 

Simply put... try to avoid the "noise" of issues politicking... see past it, just a little deeper, to the clarity of an issue's foundation... and we should find that the ALREADY UNDERSTOOD premise of its philosophical reasoning, tends to find its own resolve.  We just have to nudge it, further define it, and nurture it!   Just ALWAYS ask... "WHY"? in direct context to the Constitution!   The answers usually come forth much easier... when we've eliminated political, or false and manufactured narratives.

 

The resolve is not Left... or Right... it is just the TRUTH.... or dare I say, "Objectivism"...

 

Jax

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