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12 hours ago, bostonangler said:

 

Do you mean it is Obama's fault that The KKK showed up in Charlottesville to save the Lee statue?

 

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Wow!!! that has a nice ring to it. 

 

8 hours ago, markb57 said:

white supremists had a legal protest permit and low and behold when they arrived,they were met with BLM and antifa who started the riot. so yes, Obama's fault.

Bingo!!!

 

7 hours ago, bostonangler said:

 

Did that jackass have a permit to run people down?

 

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I believe they don't issues such a thing. 

But they do issue a drivers licenses...but not to intentionally run over people.  Heck, if so, we all would all be in a heap of trouble, no matter what race we are. 

 

7 hours ago, bostonangler said:

 

I agree we should never attempt to rewrite history. Of course that happens all the time. But these people fought for what they believed was right in their time, which none of us would even consider doing today. None of us would own another human. None of us would expect to work for free. None of us would allow our neighbors to chain people up in the backyard. So the statues can be seen as offensive by some. It would be like traveling through Germany and seeing tributes to Hitler. I've never been there, but I doubt they have statues of him in their local courthouses.

 

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You have to understand that this era of history, it was the democrats who wanted slavery, it was the Republican party that free them. 

I'll say this, since Obama took office nothing but division and hate has come from this administration, he built up his agenda of division with the help of the media, the media profits from this hate and division by constantly feeding the fire.  If you and others can't see how this can be detrimental to this country, eventually you will remain a slave.

 

As far as the statues being offensive... what else will be offensive, what else will we allow this hate destroy peoples lives, peoples properties. 

History is set in stone, history can't destroy or change the heart, history tells us the truth of what happened to past generations, history teaches us not to repeat. So if we continue to help their agenda to separate, divide and keep us from uniting, don't expect any changes to get better for the betterment of mankind. 

 

And yes Obama is just as much at fault with what is happening. 

 

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8 hours ago, bostonangler said:

You guys might enjoy this article.

 

 

 

 

Rewriting history and the pursuit of ignorance

 

We have recently seen some inspiring and tragic examples of the defense of freedom of speech. The French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo continued to publish last month (and also in 2011) after barbaric attacks supposedly made in the name of Allah. In the U.S., the Sony Corporation ultimately decided to show the film "The Interview" even under threats of brutal retaliation from North Korea. Neither the North Korean nor the Islamist groups were able to limit our abilities to criticize others, express our views or access information.

So why is the United States moving to impose a sanitized and theocratic American history on our children?

We consider our freedom of speech and the press to be sacrosanct. But these same constitutional rights have recently been misused by those trying to misinform our children regarding numerous inconvenient historical truths in service of politics and religion. Freedom to speak our minds is not the same as "freedom to teach." As a parent, a pediatrician and an educator, I think that school boards and departments of education should be held to a higher standard of "truth telling" than a soapbox orator. Knowingly misrepresenting our history or language constitutes intellectual harassment of our children and it is going on now.

 

 

Slavery and the subsequent abuses of civil rights of African-Americans would probably top the list of the most embarrassing and inhumane chapters in American history. Government archives contain bills of sale of slaves even after the Emancipation Proclamation. The lynching of black Americans continued well into the second half of the 20th century. These are documented truths, but a surprisingly large population of Americans has elected to whitewash them. In response to demands from official organizations, such as the Texas State Board of Education, textbook companies are rewriting American History. The slave trade is referred to as the "Atlantic Triangular Trade" in an attempt to expunge slavery from our history by focusing on transportation of goods (which happened to include slaves) between countries (i.e., not on the American shores) from the late 16th to early 19th century, and downplay the treatment by white Americans of those people whom they subsequently purchased.

The "new" history of the old America largely exorcises President Thomas Jefferson's role as a Founding Father in order to diminish the importance of the separation of church and state (as delineated in same First Amendment of our Constitution that guarantees our freedom of speech). Many politicians, including Founding Father John Jay, former Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), have stated that "America is a Christian Nation." If this dogma is allowed in our schools, how long is it before children are taught that Christians are the Native Americans and that anyone else is a guest in these Christian United States?

This selective editing process has extended into literature via the sanitizing of various books that coincidentally serves the same goal as the revised American history. Words like "******" have been removed from classics like Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and The Adventures of Tom Sawyer. Conservative groups argue that hearing these words makes the teachers and students uncomfortable. It should be uncomfortable! Attempts to eliminate it or gentrify it (e.g., the "N-word") in its original context are a wasted teaching opportunity. Students and educators should learn to get past their discomfiture and use the warts of America's past as tools for a less blemished future.

To be sure, the United States does not restrict information and expression in the way that North Korea does. Islamists, Jews, isolationists, Democrats, Republicans, libertarians, etc., can all speak freely — and often without regard for content or accuracy. Our basic freedom of self-expression is legally limited in circumstances necessary to prevent harm to others. For example, Iowa Rep. Steve King (R) was free to say to Newsmax that "For every (undocumented immigrant) who's a valedictorian, there's another 100 out there who weigh 130 pounds. And they've got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert." However, his freedom of speech could be curtailed if he was speaking in front of a raging mob that was on the verge of storming a business because it employed recently naturalized citizens. Personally, I cannot reconcile the idea that a compassionate divine entity — Yahweh, Jesus Christ, Buddha or Allah — would encourage barbarism and slaughter, rather than education, of nonbelievers, and I can't see why any U.S. educator or legislator would encourage the rewriting of literature or history to service their own beliefs. Polishing our past to remove the tarnish ultimately shortchanges and thereby harms our students. It is incitement to ignorance and simply should not be allowed.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) recently accused President Obama of being overly critical of our nation and not loving America. America is indeed exceptional and part of what makes it so comes from discussing our problems and then striving to become even greater. Polishing our past to remove the tarnish ultimately shortchanges and thereby harms our students. It is incitement to ignorance and intertia in an ever-changing world and simply should not be allowed.

George Orwell's 1984 portrays a world in which the past is repeatedly rewritten to best serve the desires of a centralized party. A slogan of this party states, "Who controls the past controls the future, and who controls the present controls the past." Politically controlled revisionist history in the United States has brought us one step closer to Orwell's vision via our children. For all of us involved in teaching (whether as faculty, parents or students), let's preserve the past as it was rather than as we wish it were. Changing it, even in service of some perceived higher societal goal, is ultimately detrimental. To paraphrase the great newsman Walter Cronkite, "that's the way it was." Let's leave it that way and let our children learn and think instead of indoctrinating them with snake oil from an improvised history textbook and turning literary masterpieces into **** and Jane reading primers.

Rosenbaum is a professor of pediatrics and medicine at Columbia University Medical Center, a practicing pediatrician and a teacher.

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/education/233911-rewriting-history-and-the-pursuit-of-ignorance

 

 

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B/A, I will not turn away from our past wrong doings and ignore them, but when people want to remove historical land marks in the name of "not offending someone", this is where I draw the line. Yes, America is not perfect, but in the world and throughout history, I can honestly and most assuredly say that it is the best example of a country that has ever been created.

 

There is a concerted effort by some who hate this country and what it stands for and will stop at nothing at distorting and confusing people into believing this country is the worst in the world.

 

The past administration had a golden opportunity to improve race relations for decades to come. Instead Obummer spent most of his time exacerbating and proliferating false narratives and half truths that amplified and provided a platform for "Hate Speech" by the Alt-Left. 

 

Indy 

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Durham Sheriff: We Have Identified Suspects In Memorial Destruction – It’s Arrestin’ Time

BY COWGIRL ON AUGUST 15, 2017 
 
Durham Sheriff Mike Andrews says that the vandals will be arrested.

Durham Sheriff Mike Andrews says that the vandals will be arrested.

 

Durham Sheriff Mike Andrews Says That Many Statue Vandals Have Been Identified

Durham, NC – Durham County Sheriff Mike Andrews said on Tuesday, that there is an active investigation against the suspects who toppled a Confederate memorial statue, and that every legal option available will be used to charge those identified.

The incident occurred on Monday evening in front of the courthouse, according to MyFox8.  Antifa formed a march carrying signs that said, “Cops and Klan go hand in hand,” and blocking off roadways.

The crowd became angry, marched on the confederate solder statue in front of the courthouse, put a ladder against it, climbed it, and attached a yellow rope to it. The protesters then pulled on the statue until it toppled to the ground.

 
 

 

The protest was quickly planned after the tragic events in Charlottesville over the past weekend.  Organizers of the event said that their goal was to “smash white supremacy.”

In a statement, Sheriff Andrews said he was “grateful” that no one was hurt, and that county officials had made the decision to act “with restraint” toward the protesters.

 

Many people had questioned why none of the law enforcement officers who were at the protests stood down while the statue was being toppled.  But officials from Sheriff Andrews’ staff were there, filming what happened, according to The Herald-Sun.

Sheriff Andrews said, “Collectively, we decided that restraint and public safety would be our priority. As the Sheriff, I am not blind to the offensive conduct of some demonstrators nor will I ignore their criminal conduct. With the help of video captured at the scene, my investigators are working to identify those responsible for the removal and vandalism of the statue.”

The sheriff said that many suspects have already been identified and would be arrested.

 

The monument was erected in 1924, and shows a Confederate soldier holding a rifle.  The words “in memory of the boys who wore the gray” are inscribed on it.  It has been vandalized once before, in 2015, when an unknown suspect painted ‘Black Lives Matter’ at its base.

In response to the statue being toppled by demonstrators, North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper said “the racism and deadly violence in Charlottesville is unacceptable but there is a better way to remove these monuments.”

Sheriff Andrews has also asked city and county officials to establish guidelines and ‘safe protest spaces’ to prevent demonstrations from becoming “disruptive and dangerous.”

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and from the comment section...Takiyah Thompson is a member of the Workers World Party, which is a communist party in the United States, founded in 1959 by a group led by Sam Marcy of the Socialist Workers Party. Don't think for a second that her actions were to fight the white supremacists. Her agenda is to topple the American government. All countries that had to endure communism had the exact same sequence of events happen.... first destroy all the statues and monuments. Then burn books and then make it illegal to speak out against the regime. DOn't be a..holes.... see what is happening and fight back.

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2 hours ago, Texstorm said:

If I would have been there I would have put that strap around her neck ! Just sayin.....

 

Dude you really don't want to hurt people. Take a deep breath and let your anger go. Nothing good comes from violence... Your comments are bringing you down to the level of the protesters you hate.

 

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14 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

 

Dude you really don't want to hurt people. Take a deep breath and let your anger go. Nothing good comes from violence... Your comments are bringing you down to the level of the protesters you hate.

 

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I said if ! And this group that I'm talking about are communist sympathizers , BLM , and far lefties that are breaking the law ! If I was there I would be in full legal right to use force or the threat of force to stop the commission of a crime and if it is a felony crime  with injury or threat of injury, I'd be in full legal right to use lethal force where predicated.

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1 minute ago, Texstorm said:

I said if ! And this group that I'm talking about are communist sympathizers , BLM , and far lefties that are breaking the law ! If I was there I would be in full legal right to use force or the threat of force to stop the commission of a crime and if it is a felony crime  with injury or threat of injury, I'd be in full legal right to use lethal force where predicated.

 

Yes you would have the legal right, but does that make it right? Do you want to show up on the news as a nut-job hurting people like the crazies you hate so much? All I'm saying is if someone wants a reaction and gets one they win. Even if you kill them, they win, because you make them a martyr and that's what they want... Look at David Duke. I know Trump does not support him in any way, but now he is relevant again... That's all any of these people want is recognition.

 

I know it is rare, but I do agree with Trump when he said there are bad people on both sides. No one would stand up and say The KKK, Nazis or other white supremacist are right for their beliefs, but I agree, the some of protesters on the left, who were their to stand against hate were just as bad as the people they were their to protest against.

 

I know there has been a lot of talk about a giant conspiracy from Soros to make this happen, but I know people in my town who are Nazi lovers, and members of The KKK and they came back proudly talking about the rally and how well they did... These are sick people and we don't need to make them famous.

 

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4 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

 

Yes you would have the legal right, but does that make it right? Do you want to show up on the news as a nut-job hurting people like the crazies you hate so much? All I'm saying is if someone wants a reaction and gets one they win. Even if you kill them, they win, because you make them a martyr and that's what they want... Look at David Duke. I know Trump does not support system" rel="">support him in any way, but now he is relevant again... That's all any of these people want is recognition.

 

I know it is rare, but I do agree with Trump when he said there are bad people on both sides. No one would stand up and say The KKK, Nazis or other white supremacist are right for their beliefs, but I agree, the some of protesters on the left, who were their to stand against hate were just as bad as the people they were their to protest against.

 

I know there has been a lot of talk about a giant conspiracy from Soros to make this happen, but I know people in my town who are Nazi lovers, and members of The KKK and they came back proudly talking about the rally and how well they did... These are sick people and we don't need to make them famous.

 

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These people really need to cease to exist , we don't need these leeches that drain society and I don't want to put them in prison either , so a more permanent solution would be the best thing for us all. If you want to coddle them , then by all means break some bread with them at your expense at your home. Thanks

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1 hour ago, bostonangler said:

 

Yes you would have the legal right, but does that make it right? Do you want to show up on the news as a nut-job hurting people like the crazies you hate so much? All I'm saying is if someone wants a reaction and gets one they win. Even if you kill them, they win, because you make them a martyr and that's what they want... Look at David Duke. I know Trump does not support system" rel="">support him in any way, but now he is relevant again... That's all any of these people want is recognition.

 

I know it is rare, but I do agree with Trump when he said there are bad people on both sides. No one would stand up and say The KKK, Nazis or other white supremacist are right for their beliefs, but I agree, the some of protesters on the left, who were their to stand against hate were just as bad as the people they were their to protest against.

 

I know there has been a lot of talk about a giant conspiracy from Soros to make this happen, but I know people in my town who are Nazi lovers, and members of The KKK and they came back proudly talking about the rally and how well they did... These are sick people and we don't need to make them famous.

 

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The more you post - the more you come off as a leftie loon planted on this forum to foster the lies of the lame stream media!!!

 

Soros IS openly supporting the take down of America and free speech!  Ain't NO CONSPIRACY about it.  Whether or not the group of KKK protestors were in fact KKK members remains to be seen.

I'm guessing this is a CIA / FBI op meant to be the start of the shutdown of free speech and open demonstrations in America.

 

Look at this picture - the flags and shirts still have their right-out-of-the-box pleats ...

 

 

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Be careful here folks...I have to side with BA on the fact that violence is not warranted unless threat to life or harm to someone. Otherwise if people make a moral justification in violence, then we are no better than ANTIFA or the neo-nazis and White Nationalist.

 

I will always support people's rights to express hate and any other form of speech that I do not agree with. As soon as violence is the form of communication, we should all speak out in disagreement, no matter what side of the political spectrum that we land on. 

 

Indy 

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8 minutes ago, Indraman said:

Be careful here folks...I have to side with BA on the fact that violence is not warranted unless threat to life or harm to someone. Otherwise if people make a moral justification in violence, then we are no better than ANTIFA or the neo-nazis and White Nationalist.

 

I will always support system" rel="">support people's rights to express hate and any other form of speech that I do not agree with. As soon as violence is the form of communication, we should all speak out in disagreement, no matter what side of the political spectrum that we land on. 

 

Indy 

 

Nicely stated Indy... There can be no acceptance of unwarranted violence.

 

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I guess y'all think it's ok to destroy Civil War Hero's statues ! Clearly a felony offense ! Trespassing ! In sighting a Riot---Another felony Offense !  Yes y'all do gooders want to turn your heads while  these monkeys destroy our southern heritage.....I see what side that y'all are own.....side with the wicked !

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Just now, Texstorm said:

I guess y'all think it's ok to destroy Civil War Hero's statues ! Clearly a felony offense ! Trespassing ! In sighting a Riot---Another felony Offense !  Yes y'all do gooders want to turn your heads while  these monkeys destroy our southern heritage.....I see what side that y'all are own.....side with the wicked !

 

Tex, you are falling into their trap. They (the elite, the politicians, the Illuminati) whatever you want to call them are tricking people in to hating their neighbors. Now it's race, then it will be religion, then whatever else they can use to divide us... Don't fall for it... Remember... Love thy neighbor...

 

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